From owner-cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Tue Apr 22 21:25:24 1997 X-Authentication-Warning: broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca: majordomo set sender to owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca using -f From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #817 Precedence: normal Content-Length: 23871 Status: RO X-Lines: 547 Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, April 22 1997 Volume 01 : Number 817 In this issue: Let's prove him wrong. (Call to action) Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #813 Your 21 Apr 97 Article "Tory Gun Policy Aims at Votes" Quick Posters Re: [fwd] FYI - sea story about full auto *revolver* Wendy is weeping... (Police officer Glock incident) Re: How can an American help? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:57:33 -0600 From: "Calvin Martin, Q.C." Subject: Let's prove him wrong. Rosemary Speirs in The Toronto Star, April 22, 1997 reports that Liberal pollster, Michael Marzolini, says: "Reform party supporters are 2.5 times as likely to own a gun." "Despite the noisy opposition to gun control in rural ridings, the Liberal gun control bill would carry the vote in every riding in Ontario." Let's show him that we are more than just make a noise. Calvin Martin, Q.C., LL.B. 600 Church Street, Toronto, Ontario, M4Y 2E7 Tel 416 922-5854 Fax 416 944-0285 Email dvc14@fox.nstn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:57:35 -0600 From: "Donald T. Anderson" Subject: (Call to action) When I read this digest, I often wonder how many silent readers there are (myself included). So often, it's easiest to read the postings of others, and not contribute personally. And I wonder -- just how many of us are equally silent when it comes to publicly defending the private ownership of firearms? As Dave keeps reminding us with every posting, we can't afford to remain silent. Not a single one of us. Like most, I've been silent outside of my close circle of family and friends. But we're down to the wire now -- the election is coming, and we know what's on the line. But recently, something happened that is making me much more vocal. You see, I recently went to my first shooting match (.22 rifle silhouette), and much to my surprise, I actually won (score of 25/40). Now that might not look like much in the big leagues, but it did make me feel like a giddy child again (a time many, many years ago). It was, without a doubt, one of the happiest moments I've had in the last several months. When I went home later that day, I spent some time cleaning my much-loved rifle, and a sobering thought crossed my mind. You see, C-68 isn't about ultimately confiscating millions of firearms across Canada. It's really about confiscating just one -- my Winchester Model 52B. It's about *MY* gun. When I was finished cleaning the gun, I put it back in the cabinet with the others, and looked at each of them in turn. One by one. With each firearm I paused to reflect upon the memories and the passion for each one. Each of them ultimately scheduled for confiscation and destruction. So I finally found myself motivated. A quick phone call, and I found myself a member of the Reform party. Another call, and I had arranged to have Reform signs on my lawn during the election campaign. And after a few minutes in front of my computer, I had written a letter that has since been sent to the local newspaper. It's so ridiculously easy to do... So I am hereby asking each and every one of you who has been silent until now to do something for all of us. When you are at home tonight, I would like you take a look at your guns. Pick each one up in your hands, and think about all the enjoyment that shooting it has given you. Then think about it being torn out of your hands and destroyed. And when you have done all this, sit down with paper and pen, and write a letter to the editor of your newspaper. If we can't all do at least this much, then maybe we deserve to lose our guns... Donald T. Anderson ************************ Letter sent to the Edmonton Journal follows. (Let's see if they print it.) ************************ Canada's Last Free Election? As we begin the campaign season for Federal Election 1997, I have to wonder just how many Canadians fully realize the importance of this election. Never before in the history of our nation has the country teetered on the brink of such thinly veiled facsism as we see in Bill C-68, the so called "Firearms Act". Passed by the Liberal majority in Parliament in December, 1995, Bill C-68 has yet to be proclaimed as law. With public outrage continuing to rise over this ill-conceived piece of legislation, the government has repeatedly delayed implementing the Act, knowing full well how many Liberal votes would be lost. Now, it seems, Bill C-68 will only be proclaimed once the federal election is safely over. Such delay tactics are probably the Liberals' only hope. No other political party endorses the Bill, and the Conservatives and Reform have both promised to repeal it. And no wonder, with over 7 million law-abiding Canadians in possession of legally owned firearms. Be they collectors, target shooters, or hunters, they represent a vast segment of electoral demographics, and the Liberal government has alienated each and every one of them. Bill C-68 is not about firearms control -- it is about firearms confiscation. When the Bill is proclaimed, 58% of the legally owned handguns in this country will instantly become "prohibited weapons" and subject to confiscation. Justice Minister Allan Rock has repeatedly gone on record stating that when firearms are confiscated, no compensation will be paid. This will represent government sanctioned theft of hundreds of millions of dollars of private property. At the same time, a national firearms registry will be put in place, requiring all long-arms (shotguns and rifles) to be registered with the authorities. When this occurs, Ottawa will know the location of every firearm in the county. And what's wrong with Ottawa knowing where the firearms are? Well, what do you think is going to happen once the government has that list? Bill C-68 gives the Justice Minister the ability to ban, prohibit, and confiscate firearms by an Order in Council. Once this Bill comes into effect, there will never be a need for the Minister to consult Parliament again in this this matter, ever. The arbitrary whims of a single person will be allowed to determine the rights of millions. After the election, it will begin with 58% of the currently owned handguns, all of which are already registered with the federal government and local police. And do not think that the confiscation will end there, because it won't. Bill C-68's firearms registry is necessary to the Liberal government, which must first find the firearms before they can be seized. And seize them they will. Bill C-68 allows the Chief Provincial Firearms Officer in each province to declare "gun free zones". Once so declared, all firearms licences in the jurisdiction will immediately be revoked, and all firearms (handguns, rifles, and shotguns alike) will be confiscated. Still have doubts? Then consider Allan Rock's statement to Maclean's magazine (April 25, 1994, page 12): "I came to Ottawa with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers." I can't speak for all of your readers, but I know that Allan Rock's vision of the future is not one I share. And a few weeks from now, I think the Liberals will finally understand that neither do most Canadians. Yours Sincerely, Donald T. Anderson A proud member of Canada's recreational firearms community -- an upstanding group of millions of honest and law-abiding people who share a common interest in the shooting sports. - ---------------------- Donald T. Anderson Galahad & Associates Ltd. don@galahad.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:57:36 -0600 From: rmcreat@istar.ca (BC NFA) Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #813 >And what colour government do you have out there in BC? > >Walk softly and join the NFA >The gun you save may be your own. > >John Fowler Deep shade of pink, almost crimson. Michelle Traver NFA-BC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:57:30 -0600 From: "David A. Tomlinson" Subject: Your 21 Apr 97 Article "Tory Gun Policy Aims at Votes" Part 2 of 2 It is a little bewildering to see the Gazette prattling on about Ms. Cukier's creation, "the gun lobby." It does not exist. A "lobby" is a group that hires a professional lobbyist, who then scmoozes with politicians in Ottawa. There is no such person attached to Canada's recreational firearms community. Instead, our firearms community consists of the 40 per cent of Canadian households that contain at least one recreational firearm. They are not "right wing" as Ms. Cukier alleges; they are people of all shades of political and social opinion. On average, they are just a little better educated and a little better off than the average Canadian. They are not a "single interest group;" they are sophisticated students of political activity, keeping a careful eye on everthing that politicians do - -- and fail to do. They are also your friends and neighbors. It is not surprising that Jean Charest is courting the firearms community -- even though his own party was attacking the firearms community during the Kim Campbell period. He has, to a minor degree, learned that the firearms community is no longer a safe or easy target for ambitious politicians. It is a huge voting bloc, which can "swing" elections. Far more intelligent to try and get its support! It is as a direct result of attacks on it by both the Conservatives and Liberals that the firearms community has become a huge and united voting bloc. This huge bloc is angered by the constant assertions that strict controls on honest citizens will somehow affect criminals adversely, when all the best evidence proves the exact reverse. Both Kim Campbell's Bill C-17 and Allan Rock's Bill C-68 are seen by the recreational firearms community as direct attacks upon personal property and lifestyle. Allan Rock's recent announcement that, unlike the Australian government, his government will refuse to pay compensation for personal property lost to a change in statute has focussed that anger and forced the firearms community into political activism. Ms. Cukier also speaks of "the silent majority," the anti-firearms answers that pollsters get. Jean Charest is courting the firearms community because he has belatedly discovered that people in the firearms community switch to another party when a party attacks them, but people in the "anti-firearms majority" do not switch to support a party that attacks the firearms community. They are a river a mile wide -- but only half an inch deep. They are not worth courting. Far from being just "the gun lobby," the firearms community is 40 per cent of the population. One wonders where a politician that attacks such a huge concentration of voters thinks he is going. As a direct result of the lobbying of the Coalition for Gun Control and the police chiefs, it is now cheaper and easier for young males to buy an illegal handgun than it is for them to buy a handgun legally and get the proper training that ensures they are safe and locked into a group of other good citizens (good role models) at the neighborhood shooting club. And that is a grave danger to our society. David A Tomlinson is retired, and the unpaid National President of the National Firearms Association, which he and other firearms community members founded in 1984. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:57:38 -0600 From: Roger Walker Subject: Quick Posters As Dave Tomlinson has been pointing out, one can easily and quickly turn out letter size posters with a simple message that will get anyone thinking. Here's my example. I started with an image of the "Strangler", which I processed and touched up a bunch (Think of it as a satiracle alteration like the piece of art (from same image) that was banned from the Ottawa(?) museum a while back. Then I added the hook; a question to link the reader to the actions of the Liberals. Then, I just followed up with some examples that potentially put the reader in the middle of it all. Some examples of results are available at the following locations. Give it a try; it's easy. You may want to note the size before accessing/transferring. 17.5 Kb (75 dpi) 200 Kb (75 dpi) 720 Kb (300 dpi) 537 Kb (Corel Draw 6) I lay no claim to the above material. Steal whatever text you want, with impunity. The image is now part of satire (after having been altered considerably), so avoids copyright. You may want to change it even more, or in different ways. (I'm still working on a final version.) - --- Roger Walker Voice/Fax (403) 440-2685 Network Manager ROPE Internet Services ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:57:42 -0600 From: "David A. Tomlinson" Subject: Re: [fwd] FYI - sea story about full auto *revolver* >> I just noticed that the third installment of the TV show "Gun" was >> not >> listed in my hometown's paper. I guess that the poor acting was >> noticed >> by the few who tuned in. By the way, many of you never saw the >> press >> release on this show where they described the weapon as a "high >> caliber >> semi-automatic reveolver!" Wonder where I can buy one of those type >> >> revolvers? >> Harv Webley made the Webley-Fosbery semi-auto revolver in .455 and .38 Colt (identical in size to .38 Super, but underloaded for the very early Colt semi-autos; a rare variant). The entire top half of the revolver slid back on tracks, recocking the hammer and rotating the cylinder by means of a stud riding in a zigzag groove in the cylinder. A US firm also made a similar semi-auto revolver, in smaller calibres. >Last year I read an article in a gun rag, er, mag, about such a device. >The >article was written by a gunsmith to whom a customer brought a revolver >claiming it went full auto. Gunsmith is more than somewhat doubtful. >Gunsmith >takes revolver to the range, loads it and >bang-bang-bang-bang-bang-bang. Full >auto. It seems that through the benefit of some worn/incorrect/damaged? >parts, >the first shot caused the hammer to bounce back hard enough to recock >and >rotate the cylinder. Since the trigger was still depressed, hammer >falls and >sequence repeats. This happening is usually seen with an original-style Colt Single Action Army that has a sharply-pointed firing pin (usually home-made). It punctures the primer, allowing a rearward gas flow that recocks the hammer. The hand, attached to the hammer, rotates the cylinder to the locking position. When the hammer can go back no farther, and the gas flow has dissipated, the hammer drops and fires the new cartridge that has been rotated into line. Now figure out how to have the same effect with a cap and ball revolver... Dave Tomlinson, NFA There are more guns in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philosophy... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:11:59 -0600 From: "David A. Tomlinson" Subject: Wendy is weeping... Quotes from Wendy Cukier's latest Coalition for Gun Control mailing: "...and two major political parties -- the Conservatives and Reform -- have said they'll _kill_ our new gun control legislation if they get the chance..." [Of course they both said that. They are both courting the biggest bloc of votes in Canada, and Reform _means_ it. -- DAT] "...our precious new gun control law is _under_threat_... "Reform is virtually the Official Opposition and enjoys an enormous base in western Canada and in rural Ontario..." [Right on both counts, but Reform is also making great gains in the cities. This election is slipping away from the Liberals -- fast! --DAT] "The gun lobby is outraged at the new gun control legislation -- and can't wait to punish the government by promoting Reform..." [Yep, you sure got THAT right, Wendy!) "And even if Reform...don't form the government, they may win enough seats to make the Liberals extremely vulnerable -- forcing them to _gut_our_new_gun_control_law_... "..._our_new_law_is_really_at_risk_. ANYTHING COULD HAPPEN... "The shooting lobby is tremendously well-funded and powerful. They have millions of dollars behind them. They've infiltrated Reform, the Tories -- and even some Liberal riding associations -- as part of their cross-Canada campaign to kill our gun control." [I do wish the NFA was as rich as she thinks it is! And since when is joining a political Party to have a voice within its deliberations "infiltrating"? I always thought that was called "democracy," and that the parties were actively recruiting anyone available! Or is Wendy saying that no one is allowed to join any political Party unless they agree with Wendy? -- DAT] "And think of what could happen if they succeed and Preston Manning...make[s] big gains: They could force the government to slash gun control, maybe even wipe out our all-important gun registry..." [And what is wrong with replacing the cockamamie Allan Rock gun control system with a system that is simple, cost-effective, and does not include our failed registration system -- that cannot be made cost-effective no matter WHAT you do with it? -- DAT] "...we do that by promising...that no one will ever be allowed to overturn the...gun control laws we have won." [No, no, Wendy, it is only the _Pope_ who is infallible. -- DAT] "The shooting lobby will be pulling out all the stops -- doing everything in its power -- to destroy our gun control." [Very true. You made an unholy mess of the job, Wendy, and now someone has to clean up after you. -- DAT] "They'll be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, distributing tens of thousands of lawn signs, pamphlets, and literature packages...and literally sponsoring campaign staff for pro-gun candidates (they've done it already!)" [Well, of course, Wendy. We support the candidates of our choice, just as you do. It is called "democracy," and we like it. It is a pity that you cannot see that anyone who opposes your own ideas can be honest, upright and reasonable. I'm afraid that your position, the rigorous suppression of all opposition to the opinions of the elite like yourself, is usually called "facism."] "We can't come anywhere close to the shooting lobby's election resources." [Of course you can't, Wendy. Many more voters support our positions than support yours, and they care enough about the issues to contribute to us. Your 'majority' does not care enough about the issues to support you in the style to which you would like to become accustomed. -- DAT] "...we have to keep fighting _Alberta's_legal_challenge_ -- which threatens to strike down our law in court." [Don't you think that if the courts find Wendy's law to be unconstitutional, it should be struck down? I find this brutal arrogance -- this willingness to override our Constitution as if it is unimportant compared to the Will of Wendy -- quite appalling. -- DAT] "...we're really financially strapped...we just don't have the funds necessary to counter the shooting lobby." [Our voters support us, so why is it that you, who claim to have the support of the majority of Canadians, cannot persuade your 'majority' to support either your aims or your organization? -- DAT] "...with an election coming up, our legislation is actually _imperiled_. "I urge you to become a Gun Control Sustaining Contributor... Sustainers authorize the Coalition for Gun Control to automatically withdraw a small amount, say $10 or $20, each month from their chequing or credit card account -- allowing us to spend more..." [What a nice idea. Does anyone out there want to authorize $10 or $20 for the NFA and/or Reform every month? -- DAT] "The upcoming election could bring a surge in support for Reform...who have _publicly_committed_themselves_to_killing_our_ new_gun_control_law_." [Yes, it does seem to be having that effect -- making Reform more popular -- just as the NFA predicted. -- DAT] "The gun lobby has taken over riding associations and has placed a number of candidates who will promote its aims. It is also actively contributing funds to candidates and parties who oppose the gun control legislation." [Yes. That is called 'democracy,' Wendy. -- DAT] "We are exactly half way to 2003 which is when our law will be fully implemented." [Don't count on it, Wendy. If we can elect enough Reformers to form a majority government, your law goes down the toilet -- where it belongs. -- DAT] Signed by: Wendy Cukier. Well, there you have it. Some of you out there have been worried that I might be handing you a snow job about how well the firearms community is doing with its new and unaccustomed political activism. Now you have Wendy's personal seal of approval on your political activism. She sees everything she and Allan Rock and Jean Chretien have done on the very verge of destruction as the mighty firearms community awakens to its peril -- and becomes politically active. If you have had doubts about what I have been telling you, perhaps you will believe Wendy. She just confirmed everything I have been telling you. Final note: We seem to be ahead of Wendy technically, too. When I searched for her email address to send her a copy of this, there was none anywhere in her mailing. Ah, the problems people create for themselves when they ignore the advances of science... Dave Tomlinson, NFA FOCUS: This is the most important election in Canadian history. In federal Election 97, we will choose between being governed by Reform, a party where the grassroots voters simpose party policies on Reform's Leader, or re-electing the Liberals, a party that lets the Leader impose his will on the grassroots voters. There is still time to choose democray over arrogant, elitist suppression of everything you believe -- but not MUCH time. Get out there and WORK for the kind of Canada that YOU want. Boy, can you imagine Prime Minister Sheila Copps, sitting beside Wendy Cukier, our new Minister of Justice? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:11:59 -0600 From: Ron McCutcheon Subject: (Police officer Glock incident) > > I just heard that over the weekend a Metro Toronto cop shot self in the >foot while pursuing a thief. Could someone from Toronto confirm? Actually, one police officer shot another in the groin. No mention of the handgun involved but most if not all Metro Toronto Police Officers are now carrying Glocks. Ron McCutcheon P. Eng mccutcrg@mail.rose.com Good gun control is a keen eye and a steady hand. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 21:12:00 -0600 From: "David A. Tomlinson" Subject: Re: How can an American help? >I'm an American member of the NFA (I live in New Hampshire, where I am, >fortunately, not subject the more onerous state gun laws), and would >very much like to see Reform win Federal Election '97, for plenty of >reasons besides firearms rights. What can a foreigner do to help? Send a donation to NFA, Box 1779, EDMONTON AB, T5J 2P1, WITH THE CHEQUE MADE OUT TO NFA. Add a short note requesting that the NFA donate the money to Reform, and we will. The two-step prevents the village idiots from claiming that Reform is funded by "them funny furriners down south." Dave Tomlinson, NFA ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V1 #817 **********************************