From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, April 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 949 In this issue: Re: Russel Answers No Licences Re: Notice of Firearms Transfer and Registration WENDY WRITES AGAIN Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #946 [Fwd: Amazon.com Auctions is now open] Petrolia Rally Ammo Important Dinners Founding_Paper? recording ammo purchases ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:07:27 -0600 From: Gordon Hitchen Subject: Re: Russel Answers No Licences I am confused ! Does this mean our children and grandchildren will not be allowed to own Firearms if they come of age after that date? Gordon " ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:07:41 -0600 From: David A Tomlinson Subject: Re: Notice of Firearms Transfer and Registration >I bought a Remington pump 12 guage on January 30th and have just recieved my Notice of Firearms Transfer and Registration... In this document I am asked to confirm/correct the information on the form and return it. >1) By doing so, am I exposing myself to the same risk as completing the >Application to Register Non-Restricted Firearms (Long Guns) (for >individuals) page 4 to the best of my knowledge? Yes. If you are registering it as "frame or receiver," stroke out the incorrect data, replace it with "NONE" or "UNKNOWN" (whichever is correct) and return the form. >2) What happens if I do not return this document at all, or it becomes >"lost" in the mail? Nothing. >3) Should I make the changes to the information to register this firearm as >frame/receiver only or wait until the registration certificate is issued? Do it now, but be aware that by taking possession of the firearm before the registration certificate was issued, you and the seller violated FA s. 23(d), CC s. 126 and CC s. 91(1). You are now eligible for five years in the slammer, because you are in possession of that firearm and are not yet the "holder" of the registration certificate that has not been "issued" yet. David A Tomlinson National President, NFA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:06:33 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: WENDY WRITES AGAIN PUBLICATION: Windsor Star DATE: 99.04.01 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: OPINION PAGE: A9 COLUMN: Guest Column BYLINE: Wendy Cukier SOURCE: For The Windsor Star ILLUSTRATION: Paul Lachine illustration for Gun Control in Toronto. A defence of gun control Thomas Sowell's Jan. 12 column, Liberals Have Tinted View Of Gun Control, provides an American perspective suggesting that stricter gun control is supported only by misguided Liberals. In Canada however, most experts in crime and injury prevention support the new gun control legislation. The author refers to John Lott's More Guns Less Crime, arguing that encouraging gun ownership reduces crime. Several academics have critiqued Mr. Lott's work but, more importantly perhaps, it flies in the face of common sense. In Windsor, residents need only look to Detroit to see where inadequate controls lead. A simple comparison of Canadian and U.S. experience shows that strict controls on handguns have clearly helped Canada avoid the violence epidemic rampant in the U.S. In 1995, the rate of murders with handguns totalled 0.3 (per 100,000) in Canada compared to 4.5 in the United States, while the rate of murder by other means was only slightly lower in Canada (1.4) compared to the U.S. (2.2). Lott's advice following the Jonesboro, Ark. shootings where an 11- and 13-year-old killed four schoolchildren and their teacher is also revealing: "Allowing teachers and other law-abiding adults to carry concealed handguns in schools would not only make it easier to stop shootings in progress. It would also help deter shootings from ever occurring." Few criminologists or crime prevention experts in Canada or the U.S. would share this view. Sowell minimizes the role of firearms in American death and injury rates but every year in the U.S., 40,000 Americans die from gunshot wounds -- almost as many as were killed during the Vietnam War. Many of these deaths are preventable. In some states, guns kill more people than cars. The U.S. leads the developed world in its death rate. Surely, this is precisely the path Canadians want to avoid. Demonstrate link Researchers such as Ted Miller and criminologist Martin Killias have demonstrated the link between ownership and gun death rates. Where there are more guns, opposition to gun control tends to be more vocal, but where there are more guns there are also higher death rates. For example, Alberta has one of the highest rates of ownership and gun death in Canada. The need for licensing and registration has been reinforced by several inquests, including those into the deaths of: Nina de Villiers (Burlington), the two Kasonde children (Ottawa), Brian Smith (Ottawa), Rajhal Ghakal and eight members of her family (Vernon, B.C.) and Arlene May. Information about who owns what guns is needed to help prevent further tragedies. Canada's new firearms control law will help reduce the illegal gun trade by increasing accountability and ensuring that guns can be traced back to their owners. The firearms most often recovered in crime in Canada are rifles and shotguns and most of them were at one time legally owned and misused by their owners, stolen or sold illegally. In Windsor for example, in 1996, of the firearms recovered in crime, 44 per cent were rifles and shotguns while only 23 per cent were handguns and restricted weapons. As the recent 3-2 Alberta Court of Appeal decision maintained, the law is a valid exercise of the federal governments' criminal law power and licensing and registration are: "... about the protection of public safety from the misuse of ordinary firearms. This is to be accomplished through a simple but compelling concept -- individual responsibility and accountability for ones ordinary firearms. This is a small price to pay for the privilege of being allowed to possess and use a dangerous weapon." Canada's new law merely brings us in line with most industrialized countries and the United Nations' standards which call for regulations on safe storage, registration of firearms and licensing of their owners. robberies and death have dropped consistently with progressive controls on firearms. Criminologist Neil Boyd argues that there is stronger evidence of the effectiveness of gun control than is available to support most other justice reforms. Indeed, in just a few short months since Dec. 1, 1998, the new gun control legislation has made a difference. Of all background checks conducted as part of gun sales and transfers, almost seven per cent (325 cases) were flagged for further investigation and 85 licence applicants were refused due to public safety concerns. Demands of experts Canada's gun control legislation responds to the demands of experts in crime and injury prevention from across the country, including: Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, Canadian Criminal Justice Association, Canadian Bar Association, Canadian Public Health Association, CAVEAT and more than 500 others. If one examines their arguments compared to those made by the gun lobby and its sympathizers, one would come to much the same conclusion as the Alberta Court of Appeal: that the law is reasonable and supported by a wealth of evidence. In contrast, opposition to the law is driven by emotion and ideology, much of it originating from the United States. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:07:47 -0600 From: Marstar Canada Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #946 >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 06:34:14 -0600 >From: Terry.Robinson >Subject: SIR Policy >Thank you for advising us about the mis-information regarding S.I.R.'s >(and Terry Robinson's )support for Bill C-68. >S.I.R. is completely against the bill. One of the only components that >we endorse is the mandatory jail term for firearm offenses. >Our position is that the program is ridiculously expensive, a major >intrusion into the affairs of honest citizens, a logistical nightmare, >and with no proven history of success in countries where it has been >implemented. >We have been very consistent in our opposition to this legislation >since its introduction. We have made presentations to the Senate >sub-committee: we have phoned and sent many letters and faxes to M.P.'s >and Ministers; we have met with and written to the Mayor of Winnipeg; >and we have made numerous statements to the media clearly expressing our opposition. >The Global newscast that is being referenced regarding comments >attributed to me is WRONG! The only comment that I have made on the >air was (when asked about how our customers felt about the Bill) "They >are irritated. They don't like the plan. A lot of people were originally threatening to boycott." >All other comments made during this newscast were made by other people. >Please, be assured that we will continue to voice our opposition to this backward piece of legislation! >Terry Robinson >General Manager >S.I.R. Mail Order & Sports Store Good morning Terry; Welcome to the forum where many speak before knowing all the facts.... We too are considered to be low life quislings by certain individuals who advocate boycotting of firms who are making a serious effort to not only fight the system but also remain in business and pay ones staff.... Many offfer radical suggestions but very few put forth logical and practical solutions.... So hang in there and welcome to the low life and rejected dealers group. Best Regards and good luck John John St. Amour Marstar Canada Fax: (613) 678-2359 marstar@hawk.igs.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:07:21 -0600 From: Alfred Hovdestad Subject: [Fwd: Amazon.com Auctions is now open] I received the following message from amazon.com concerning their new online auction service. I immediately wondered if they would list firearms or not (remember eBay recently removed firearms from their listings). I checked the Auctions / Sports & Recreation / Sporting Goods / Hunting areas and found a 12 ga. shotgun and a Ruger .22 handgun listed. Alfred Hovdestad > http://www.amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/subscriptions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:07:00 -0600 From: CILA Subject: Petrolia Rally CILA Defending Canada's Heritage - ---------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - ---------------------------------------------- April 1st, 1999 Members of the recreational firearms community gathered last night in Petrolia, Ontario to voice their continuing opposition to the federal governments Firearms Act. Guest speakers were Marcel Beaubien MPP (ON - PC), Jerry Ouellette MPP (ON-PC) and Tony Bernardo, Executive Director of CILA. The meeting was attended by 755 people and was held at the High School Auditorium in Petrolia, the site of the first oil discovery in North America. Attendees were polled by CILA as to whether they would: A) Register all their firearms - 1 person B) Register one or some of their firearms - 5 persons C) Register none of their firearms - 749 persons Clearly, this issue is still alive and well in the province of Ontario. Many kudos to the organising staff for a job well done. - -30- For more information contact: Canadian Institute for Legislative Action P.O.Box 44030, 600 Grandview St. S. Oshawa, ON. L1H 8P4 Ph: (905) 571-2150 Fax: (905) 436-7721 e-mail: teebee@sprint.ca Home: http://www.cila.org A proud member of the World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:06:18 -0600 From: Joe MacDonald Subject: Ammo Just so that all of you know; In Ontario it has been a requirement for at least 3 years that anyone purchasing ammunition, even pellets for a .177 air rifle show picture i.d. This information is recorded and kept at the sellers business in a log book. When this bill was passed all 3 provincial parties voted in favour of it. Joe MacDonald e-mail- joe_macdonald@sudbury.falconbridge.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:06:54 -0600 From: CILA Subject: Important Dinners CILA Defending Canada's Heritage - ---------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - ---------------------------------------------- April 1st, 1999 Please note the following events: Safari Club International - Southwestern Ontario Chapter Fundraising Dinner Come join SCI Saturday April 3rd in Windsor "Casino Town" at the Ciocaro Club. Tables of eight are available at the following prices: Regular: Can. $320 US. $240 Gold: Can. $470 US. 350 Diamond: Can $1000 US $700 Guest speakers include Thomas Pigeon (COHA) and Bruce Hutton (LUFA) For tickets contact Wayne Fields: (519) 734-1250 or Jeff Lewis (519) 322 - 4600 - ---------------------------------------------- SCI - Toronto Chapter - Inaugural Fund Raising Dinner Saturday June 12th, 1999 at La Villa Ballroom, Hwy 400 and Weston Rd. $45 per person Features: Silent Auction, Live Auction, Raffles and Door Prizes For tickets contact Greg Binions at (905) 727-1955 or Kevin Goldstein at (416) 222-0266 - -30- For more information contact: Canadian Institute for Legislative Action P.O.Box 44030, 600 Grandview St. S. Oshawa, ON. L1H 8P4 Ph: (905) 571-2150 Fax: (905) 436-7721 e-mail: teebee@sprint.ca Home: http://www.cila.org A proud member of the World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:06:45 -0600 From: CILA Subject: Founding_Paper? CILA Defending Canada's Heritage - ---------------------------------------------- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - ---------------------------------------------- April 1st, 1999 IANSA (International Action Network on Small Arms) is the offspring of PrepCom, the NGO (non-governmental organizations) network created by Canadian tax dollars for the purpose of eliminating firearms ownership world wide. Please remember that the UN nomenclature "small arms" includes sporting firearms too! The following are highlights taken from IANSA's Founding Paper. For the full text please refer to the CILA web site: http://www.cila.org Note the many references to civilian ownership and please note the stated intent to ban advertising of firearms to civilians as part of the attempt to erode the culture of recreational firearms ownership. - --------------------------------------------------- IANSA STATEMENT OF PURPOSE All human beings have the right to peace including the right to live in a secure, dignified and humane environment. In the absence of these conditions, however, the proliferation and misuse of small arms is endangering personal security, undermining good governance, contributing to violations of human rights, and frustrating social justice, development, and peace in all parts of the world. Small arms abuse causes violent death, injury, and psychological trauma to hundreds of thousands of people each year. These casualties occur in the context of national and regional conflicts (each with its own political, economic, social, religious and ethnic dimensions and expressions) as well as in abusive law enforcement practices, violent repression of democratic rights and violations of the right to self determination. The easy availability of small arms is also directly linked to the increase in violent crime, domestic assaults, suicides, and accidents. In the context of political conflict, small arms help fuel violence and insecurity which breeds the sort of fear and instability which has led to the existence of millions of refugees and internally displaced persons. Many of these human-made tragedies could be prevented by controlling access to and availability of small arms - domestically and internationally - within the broader framework of measures to tackle the root causes of conflict. 2. Controlling the availability, use and storage of small arms within states Effective domestic control over small arms requires: . Establishing laws and regulations governing the ownership of small arms, including licensing and registration arrangements, along with promotion of the political will and technical capacity to enforce those laws in a transparent and impartial fashion; . Reducing the availability of weapons to civilians in all societies; . Stopping government-sponsored transfers of weapons to paramilitaries, vigilantes and other armed groups; . Promoting safe storage practices for small arms on the part of citizens and states (e.g. armouries); . Integrating issues of small arms control into the work of police, public health and other institutions; . Establishing regulations, training and oversight to ensure compliance with international human rights standards by state institutions, irregular armed forces and citizens in their use of small arms; . Providing resources to develop the capacity in national and local governments to achieve effective controls over small arms possession and use. . Strengthening systems for national registration and marking of arms at the point of manufacture and import to enhance capacity to trace and monitor arms flows; . Forming an international arrangement or mechanism which could monitor adherence to international norms and rules regarding arms transfers in order that violations may be brought to the attention of appropriate bodies; . Regular reporting to the UN Register of Conventional Arms and supporting its extension in scope to include some categories of light weapons, . Establishing regional registers containing information on the transfer, import and procurement through national production of small arms; . Enhancing the role of civil society in monitoring transfers and use of small arms at national, regional and international levels; . Addressing social conditioning that promotes male attitudes of support for violence; . Challenging the glorification of violence by the mass media, and in particular, the glamorisation of gun use and the linking of gun possession to masculinity; . Encouraging community based programmes which educate citizens about the dangers of small arms; . Banning the advertisement and promotion of small arms to civilians; 3. Creating norms of non-possession Linked to efforts to tackle cultures of violence, efforts to discourage gun possession and use include: . Developing local, national and regional public education and awareness campaigns aimed at de-legitimising the possession of weapons as part of a process of building trust in impartial public security institutions; . Eliminating the conditions that foster reliance on, and use of, private arms for self-defence and violent struggle; . Stigmatising the use of certain types or categories of small arms, particularly those with increased lethality and firepower 4. Developing culturally appropriate "message" strategies Developing clear messages which effectively communicate IANSA's concerns to a wide audience includes: . Producing short, focused and accessible campaign documents which can engage NGOs and the public on specific small arms issues of particular concern; . Developing key slogans and popular language for different campaign themes; . Ensuring that campaigns, media and policy work maintain the human link wherever possible by, for example, 'putting a face on the victims'; . Developing a who's who of IANSA participants - backed by a bibliography of written materials - so that the public, parliamentarians and the media can approach individual organisations according to the particular focus of their interest; . Enlisting, where appropriate, the support of respected and popular public figures to convey campaign messages to the media and public; 5. Campaigning and advocacy strategies Developing a variety of advocacy strategies and activities to achieve IANSA's policy objectives will involve: . Exploring the possibility of developing small IANSA working groups in order to develop and co-ordinate medium-term advocacy strategies specific to each campaign; . Identifying two or three campaign foci for the first year or two of IANSA in order to provide a focus around which network participants can rally and interest can be created; . Establishing a rolling programme of action with the development of new campaign foci as appropriate; . Developing campaign literature and resources (action packs), outlining the types of campaign actions envisaged, which can be easily disseminated to network participants; . Identifying key target audiences in relation to each specific small arms campaign; . "Stigmatising" actions of state and non-state actors seen to be contributing to the problem small arms, and developing strategies for encouraging positive change and conformity with international standards; - -30- For more information contact: Canadian Institute for Legislative Action P.O.Box 44030, 600 Grandview St. S. Oshawa, ON. L1H 8P4 Ph: (905) 571-2150 Fax: (905) 436-7721 e-mail: teebee@sprint.ca Home: http://www.cila.org A proud member of the World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:07:58 -0600 From: "ross" Subject: recording ammo purchases Several articles have appeared in the digest claiming that the FEDS no longer require that sellers of Ammo write down the name address etc of purchasers. I would imagine this includes the sale of powders and primers as well. Can someone please point out the relevant section in the ACT that terminates this practise. The people at Stittsville are still demanding to write down every tiny piece of info from us. Thanks JR ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #949 **********************************