From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #27 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 37247a25000021c4 Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, June 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 027 In this issue: NEW BRUNSWICK TO JOIN C-68 CHALLENGE RESTRICTED GUN DEADLINE EXTENDED New Brunswick and Canadian Political SitRep Herbert McKay LONG GUN PURCHASE RE: CFC - NUMBER OF TAN's ISSUED? majority now oppose C-68 as law Re: It's about SPIN Re: 4.14 Inch barrel AMNESTY EXTENTION Re: Importation of Longarms Re: CILA SBH Case NFA PFCS Primer Re: 4.14 Inch barrel Winchester M14 status SKEETER'S LETTER IN NATIONAL POST ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:42:00 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: NEW BRUNSWICK TO JOIN C-68 CHALLENGE PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 99.06.08 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: News PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Lisa Hrabluk SOURCE: New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal; with files from The Canadian Press ILLUSTRATION:Black & White Photo: The Canadian Press / Conservative Leader Bernard Lord celebrates his victory in Moncton last night after voters handed him the premier's reins. HEADLINE: Fed-up New Brunswick goes Tory: Voters had fill of Liberals; hand majority to 33-year-old SAINT JOHN, N.B. -- Bernard Lord pulled off what seemed next to impossible a scant 29 days ago: The 33-year-old Progressive Conservative leader crushed the New Brunswick government of Premier Camille Theriault, bringing 12 years of Liberal rule to an end yesterday. ``Welcome to the 21st century in New Brunswick mes amis,'' declared a jubilant Mr. Lord at the Beaver Curling Club in Moncton, where supporters wildly cheered the upset victory. ``We will lead a government that is honest and truthful every day. We will work hard for the people of New Brunswick every single day of our mandate.'' The Conservatives won 44 seats, trampling Mr. Theriault and the Liberals who will now form the official Opposition with 10 members -- 35 fewer Liberals than when the election began. NDP Leader Elizabeth Weir won her Saint John riding but failed to win a much-sought second seat for the party. The Liberal loss represented the second-largest electoral collapse in the province's history, second only to the Liberal sweep of every riding in 1987, when the Tories fell from power. Mr. Theriault, 44, appeared headed for an easy win when he called the election a month ago. But it quickly became clear the premier's popularity was evaporating. Wherever he went during the campaign, someone had a complaint about something his government either had or hadn't done. Amalgamation on the Miramichi; loss of local police forces in cities like Moncton; a restaurant being built on scenic Shediac beach; loss of doctors in Saint John and Fredericton; fish plant closings on the north shore; highway tolls in the province's southeast. The complaints were many and signalled a change in mood toward the Liberals that was astonishing in its severity and suddenness. Yesterday, the Liberals were left with only three seats in English-speaking New Brunswick. Defeated cabinet ministers included Deputy Premier Doug Tyler, who was also the natural resources minister, Solicitor General Jim Lockyer, Economic Development and Tourism Minister Roly MacIntyre and Justice Minister Greg Byrne. The Quebec-born Mr. Lord will now become New Brunswick's 30th and youngest premier and the third youngest in Canadian history. Both he and Mr. Theriault won their seats, in Moncton East and Kent South respectively. ``I wouldn't have changed a thing,'' a solemn-looking Mr. Theriault said of an election campaign that sought to establish a new direction for the Liberal party after 10 years under Frank McKenna. During his leadership bid last spring and throughout the past year, Mr. Theriault spoke of a third wave of Liberalism that would combine the fiscal responsibility that marked Mr. McKenna's tenure with a stronger emphasis on social policies. Appearing upbeat, Ms. Weir said it will be important to maintain a strong opposition in the legislature. ``I think New Brunswick needs every single opposition member it can get,'' she said, pledging she would hold Mr. Lord and his new government accountable and challenge him to keep his promises. Mr. Lord, a bilingual lawyer, was able to tap into a simmering discontent and desire for change among the electorate by emphasizing tax cuts and changes to the provincial health care system. One of the first things he will likely address is the strike by 800 health care workers who walked off the job just hours before the polls opened. Looking ahead Here are highlights of Conservative Leader Bernard Lord's plan for his first 200 days in office: - - Independent audit of government books. - - Fight patronage with all-party committee to review public appointments. - - Eliminate tolls on new highway between Fredericton and Moncton. - - Join other provinces in court challenge of federal gun-control law. - - Create 300 permanent nursing positions; begin physician recruitment program. - - Slash cabinet by 30 per cent. Eliminate half of government communications officers. - - Call Atlantic premiers together to discuss strategy on shipbuilding and other regional problems. - - Increase minimum wage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 05:39:55 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: RESTRICTED GUN DEADLINE EXTENDED Restricted gun deadline extended -- [The Calgary Herald - Sat 05 Jun 1999] PUBLICATION The Calgary Herald DATE Sat 05 Jun 1999 SECTION/CATEGORY News PAGE NUMBER A12 BYLINE The Canadian Press HEADLINE: Restricted gun deadline extended People who want to register restricted firearms will have an additional six months amnesty. The amnesty is being extended to Nov. 30, Justice Minister Anne McLellan announced Friday. It affects those who have unregistered restricted firearms, such as war trophies. ``It also affects businesses newly registered under the Firearms Act, such as theatres and the Royal Canadian Legion,'' the Canadian Firearms Centre said in a statement. Restricted firearms include: - - Non-prohibited handguns. - - Non-prohibited firearms with a barrel less than 470 mm and those capable of firing centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic weapon. - - Firearms which can be fired when reduced to less than 660 mm long. Owners of firearms who do not register them before the amnesty ends must turn them over to police. All gun owners will have to be licensed to possess or acquire any firearm by Dec. 31, 2000. Exceptions are if a firearm has been properly deactivated or if it is an antique under the law. Department of Justice: MINISTER OF JUSTICE EXTENDS AMNESTY ON UNREGISTERED RESTRICTED FIREARMS http://canada.justice.gc.ca/News/Communiques/1999/unreg0406_en.html Canadian Firearms Centre: Phasing-in Plan Of Firearms Act -1999-2003 http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/Act_regulation/Into_Force/InForce_en.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:23 -0600 From: "Jim Hinter" Subject: New Brunswick and Canadian Political SitRep "this debate is over" 22 Sept 1998, Anne McLellan MP Ms. McLellan said that last September - while over 30,000 Canadians stood on the front lawn of Parliament Hill to protest her Liberal Party's gun control legislation. She was demonstrating the mindset of a feudal lord by explaining to the peasants that government knows best. In her mind, apparently, it does not matter what the voters think, only an all-powerful government can be trusted to make decisions for Canada. Anne McLellan demonstrated to Canadians the true mindset of Jean Chretien's Liberal Party of Canada. This old style of political thinking, within the current Liberal leadership, is out of touch with the realities of Canada as we approach the 21st century. This is being demonstrated in a number of other areas in Canadian politics. The New Brunswick election of 33-year-old Bernard Lord is perhaps the best example of the mood of voters in Canada. It appears that the pollsters, the media and the Liberal Premier all misjudged the mindset of voters. That an apparently popular Liberal government (at least from media reports) was so clearly defeated should be a warning to federal Liberal backroom boys that voters cannot and should not be taken for granted. Is this message is being considered in the backrooms where Paul Martin and his supporters are planning for the day, they hope not far off, when Jean Chretien retires from politics? In the House of Commons, individual Liberal Members of Parliament are feeling uneasy about their own re-election possibilities. This is showing itself in a number of ways. The latest example is the demonstration of individual intergrity by back-bench Liberals. They supported fellow back-bench Liberal Albina Guarnieri's private member bill on consecutive sentencing. This measure would make criminals subject to sentences for all of their crimes. It has gained the support of Canadians from coast to coast to coast. Even though the Liberal Cabinet is opposed to this bill, back-bench Liberals supported the measure. This is a fairly clear indication that the party may be changing. The message sent by 30,000 firearm owners and supporters on Parliament Hill at the FED UP II rally last year is one that should not be missed by the same Liberal backbenchers, even though it appears to have been missed by Jean Chretien and Anne McLellan. The message that was apparently missed by the Liberal Cabinet is that with every step forward into their new firearms legislation, the Liberal government is further angering a huge voting bloc. The message of those 30,000 Canadians, and the hundreds of thousands of Canadians who were not able to be in Ottawa last fall is: "Stop treating law abiding Canadians like criminals - Stop wasting our tax dollars on this registration boondoggle." Was the debate over firearms important in the New Brunswick election? Certainly! The New Brunswick Justice Minister, Solicitor General, Tourism Minister and Natural Resources Minister were all defeated in this vote - clearly areas where firearm owners were most affected by the policies of the ousted Liberal government. As a point of interest, over the past seven months, membership in Canada's own National Firearms Association has grown by 66 percent in New Brunswick. The new Progressive Conservative government in New Brunswick has vowed to join with other provinces in fighting the federal Liberal gun control law. The message should be quite clear, for politicians interested in keeping their seats. A good tactic is to start listening to the people who voted for them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:17 -0600 From: Gordon Subject: Herbert McKay have made contact with this Aboriginal Gentleman! He is a member of a small Indian Band in North Central BC and is seeking support of a National organization in fighting C 68 ! This band has recourse to some resource based funds and are concerned that the Liberals are attempting to restrict their hunting right through the BC Government! I will be putting him in direct contact with the NFA Executive ASAP! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:29 -0600 From: ANDY J Subject: LONG GUN PURCHASE I wanted to share with all of you my experience at my local gun shop and the saga of purchasing a non-restricted, non-prohibited rifle, a 1903 Springfield to be exact. The process began on a positive note when I discovered the rifle of my dreams and to make it even better the Springfield used to belong to someone I actually knew and respected within the firearms community. So the store clerk makes the call to CFC, the speedy line for retailers...ok not so speedy and yes they get the same lame musac. After about 15mins..with me holding the phone between other customers..the clerk starts the process. He is transfered to someone else who takes all of the information on the rifle and then on me. I get to give my credit card number and wow I think that I am on my way. Nope, since the rifle was not verified and is an estate sale (my friend passed away in spring) the CFC person wants to speak to the lawyer handling the estate...The clerk dutifully gives the phone number and name of the lawyer and is told CFC will call back. After two hours..I decide to pull the plug on the sale so the clerk calls to cancel..CFC person needs to speak to their supervisor...and guess what...after only 10 minutes I get a TAN! Hard to figure out what they would have asked the estate lawyer in the first place and even harder to figure out is why when I was all set to cancel, like a magic wand, opps sorry for the inconvience...here is your TAN. To put this into perspective, in 1973 when I was 16 years old I walked into a Canadian Tire store with $25.oo in cash and Canadian Tire money and with out any ID nor any questions I walked out with a bolt action Lee Enfield .303 rifle, my first firearm purchase. Some how I think we were better served by our government in 1973 than today. Upset the status quo, purchase a firearm. Andy Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:31 -0600 From: "Ted Carron" Subject: RE: CFC - NUMBER OF TAN's ISSUED? Ladies and Gentlemen, I am amazed that Ms Roussel could not answer this simple question. If the " Communications Group, Canadian Firearms Centre " cannot answer this basic a question as regards a TAN, God help you if are caught with a firearm and only a TAN number. Regards T. G.Carron PS Could it be that they are not keeping a record, as they KNOW that at best, the TAN is not provided for in the legislation, or at the worst, is actually illegal ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:35 -0600 From: dhammond@cadvision.com (Dave Hammond) Subject: majority now oppose C-68 as law With the election of both the Harris PCs and the Lord PCs who both ran on platforms of repealing/fighting C-68, and NB's announced intent to join the C-68 court challenge in the SCC, this now means that 5 provinces and 2 territories (as well as a number of aboriginal nations) comprising more than 51% of the national population oppose the current liberal gun control laws on a constitutional basis. There will probably be more come on board before the hearing. In New Brunswick the liberals even lost the Marimachi riding in which the regisrty resides!!! DOES THIS SOUND LIKE THE MAJORITY SUPPORT ANNIE "CLAIMS"? WHAT THIS CONSTITUTES IS AN ELECTED MAJORITY OF REPRESENTITIVES IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR BAD LAW ANNIE! This also means that any "claims" of majority support for c-68 from the justice minister or the DOJ or any of their spin idiots is unsupportable by electoral fact. They can trot out all the BS polls the liberal lie machine can spew but they cannot negate the fact that the only polls that count are the ones that elect governments that are opposed to this bad gun law!! I urge everyone in the RFC to bear this in mind. Any further claims by the feds that they have support should be quickly and publicly admonished as a lie! Get the fact out there. It's sinking Annie....get a life raft quik! DH "Modern political thought measures the triumph of good over evil by the number of citizens the government slaps with fines, penalties, and prison sentences-- as if the more activities are criminalized, the fairer society becomes." (James Bovard- Freedom in Chains) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:38 -0600 From: Gordon Subject: Re: It's about SPIN An excellent idea! Especially the inspection section! Since Police take Firearms home lets include them and insist that every single stored gun be inspected at least once a year during a mutually arranged time ! And include the storage arrangements at every Police Officers residence as well! As to the Gun Jails - perhaps the Dealers could be compensated by the Justice Department to store guns on a per diem basis while awaiting the proper papers so the owners can take them ! Since all this crap is rapidly approaching a billion dollar cost the dealers may as well make a buck too ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:40 -0600 From: Gordon Subject: Re: 4.14 Inch barrel It doesn't look good! We need to find a way to keep the property till they are defeated! Hopefully their replacement will opt to save a bundle and adopt something akin to the Practical Firearms Control System! The recent extension indicates , to me that there is pressure mounting on the Minister of Just US. The costs - rapidly approaching a billion dollars now must be choking Paul Martin , a man not without influence. The NB election results in Mirimachi must have really shook the Liberals! Rumor has it that even Valin voted against the Liberals! I am sure better advice will come to you about this - meantime I suggest staying still and giving up nothing! Byting Mouse Computer Services wrote: > In light of your comment on Grandfathered status, do you believe that > owners of such handguns will be allowed to keep what they purchased > after Feb 1995 or do you believe that they will simply give grandfather > status up to Dec 1 1998. Any chance of them dropping the 4.14 inch > rule? > > Joseph Robichaud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:45 -0600 From: "BOB LICKACZ" Subject: AMNESTY EXTENTION Do you suppose Annie's registration system is so starving for private registrations (ie not cop guns) that this could be the underlying reason for this apparent benevolence? Bob Lickacz NFA Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:46 -0600 From: Alan Harper Subject: Re: Importation of Longarms >> I know how to get >> the rifle through customs, now how do I get it into the trunk of >> my car? > >Real simple. You go to a gun show. > >Later, >Jon Keep in mind that the BATF attends gun shows and they record out-of-state license plates. They may stop you at any time after you leave the show. They will also communicate with the RCMP and Canada Customs. Bye. Al. "For every vision, there is an equal and opposite revision" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:55 -0600 From: Tom Cohoe Subject: Re: CILA SBH Case Gorden wrote: > Herbert McKay asked! He was answered! He seems not to understand! His questions seemed valid to me. > Mr. McKay when non natives sue the Federal Government we must pay our lawyers > in advance Actually, this is true for everybody. > expect to be asked to contribute from time to time Mr. McKay appears to be interested in contributing to the fight against the feds, so what is the use of this comment? Tom Cohoe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:55 -0600 From: "Brad" Subject: NFA PFCS Primer I would like to know where I can upload the PFCS primer or could someone attach a copy so I can get some copys printed? Thanks, Brad Moderator's Note: Go to the NFA homepage and download it. http://nfa.ca DJP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:55 -0600 From: Dave Tomlinson Subject: Re: 4.14 Inch barrel >In light of your comment on Grandfathered status, do you believe that >owners of such handguns will be allowed to keep what they purchased >after Feb 1995 or do you believe that they will simply give grandfather >status up to Dec 1 1998. Any chance of them dropping the 4.14 inch >rule? Chuckle. They are up to their ears in trouble on this one -- because of the differing "definitions" of what these firearms ARE, and because it is impossible to determine which of the two probably spurious subclasses a firearm falls into. There is a "fix" in the works, which will change things - -- but we do not have clear access to it yet, and it is not yet in final form. Anything can happen now -- including the total replacement of C-68 with the PFCS. C-68 has proved itself to be a "black hole" for money, and is now sucking money away from the projects of other Cabinet Ministers. C-68 Titanic is sinking -- and the bow is under water. David A Tomlinson National President, NFA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:57 -0600 From: rdcessford@canada.com Subject: Winchester M14 status Having seen some discussion recently re M14 it occurred to me that a difficulty MIGHT arise with a Winchester receiver which was welded to remove full-auto capability. Would these items ACTUALLY be C/A in legal terms? Were they SUPPOSED to be restricted but forgotten from the lengthy list which includes BM59, etc? Would one take a risk ASKING the question to "officials"? RD Cessford NFA member Ottawa, Ont ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:16:59 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SKEETER'S LETTER IN NATIONAL POST Thanks, Skeeter PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 99.06.08 EDITION: National SECTION: Editorials PAGE: A15 COLUMN: Letters BYLINE: Skeeter Abell-Smith SOURCE: National Post DATELINE: Saskatoon More stats Re: The Real Target (Letters, June 4). Robert Cushman claims spending more than $130-million recording serial numbers was a good investment because the ``costs to society . . . are now estimated at over $6-billion per year.'' A similar Alberta study concluded that injury and death ``cost'' were less than 2 cents of every $100 spent on health care. Anything -- cars, sports, alcohol, stairs, ladders, swimming pools, electricity -- can be estimated to have similar large costs by assuming ``future lifetime contributions'' of persons injured or killed. What such estimates don't look at is money saved or their contributions to society. Further, such studies don't question how many lives could be saved by spending the same money differently. We could have spent those millions of dollars on health care, education, twinning highways, or even installing sprinklers in our homes, instead of wasting it on recording serial numbers. Skeeter Abell-Smith, Saskatoon. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #27 *********************************