From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #75 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Status: X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: 37247a2500004124 Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, July 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 075 In this issue: Re: Greater Vancouver Shooting Ranges Resolution for a Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act News Bulletin No. 33/Bulletin no 33 Re: ATT Land address Versus mailing address re:Airsoft HACS Show DAT vs Cukier tapes Editorials In National Post and Globe & Mail hollow point ammo Airsoft ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:49:34 -0600 From: kali@axion.net Subject: Re: Greater Vancouver Shooting Ranges Chris: These are two others that I told Cody about..... and "there are more", but I know personally about these two and can recommend them. There is Pacific Shooters Association on the North Shore not too far from Capilano College (Seymour Demonstration Forest area). Also there is Sapperton Fish and Game Club in New Westminster (this is a very "active" club with lots of things going on.). Phone Membership director Sheila Aitchison at 524-9370. Linda (Kali) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:32:58 -0600 From: Larry Neufeld Subject: Resolution for a Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act Resolution for a Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act - ------------------------------------------------- Below is a copy of a resolution from the Selkirk Fish and Game (Manitoba Wildlife Federation) proposing that the Manitoba Government be petitioned to legally recognize the right to hunt and fish with a Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act. We need to lobby every provincial government to implement this type of legislation. It will help preserve hunting and fishing for future generations and promote the roll of anglers and hunters in environmental conservation. YOUR SUPPORT IS REQUIRED!! Please distribute this to as many clubs and associations as possible and encourage them to initiate similar resolutions. Larry Neufeld Provincial Director, NFA Manitoba - - Attached - THE SELKIRK FISH AND GAME (MANITOBA WILDLIFE FEDERATION) RESOLUTION FOR A HERITAGE HUNTING AND FISHING ACT Whereas the hunting and fishing rights of First Nation Peoples are legally recognized in Federal and Provincial laws and practices but similar rights are not enshrined in laws applicable to all citizens of Manitoba, and Whereas some animal rights groups are presently attempting to obtain legislation that will bring an end to our historic rights to hunt and fish in Canada and specifically Manitoba, and Whereas some jurisdictions such as the Province of Ontario have already yielded to such efforts by canceling the Spring Bear Hunt, and Whereas the fees paid by hunters and anglers help make it possible to preserve wildlife and their habitat the loss of this revenue would either result degraded wildlife support or significant increases to the public purse, and Whereas a significant number of Manitobans earn a living in the support services provided to Manitoban and out of province outdoor enthusiasts, and Whereas some North American jurisdictions such as the Conservative Government of Ontario and the State of North Dakota have stated the interest to enact legislation as follows; CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO The Ontario Conservative Party in the recent 1999 election proposed such legislation on page 34, "Blueprint, Mike Harris' plan to Keep Ontario on the Right Track" Campaign Document for the 3rd June 1999 election Quote. THE RIGHT TO HUNT AND FISH Hunting and fishing are traditional outdoor activities in many parts of Ontario. The license fees paid by outdoor enthusiasts help make it possible for us to preserve wildlife and their habitat. We support the proud and established Ontario tradition of ethical and safe hunting and fishing. It's time to legally recognize heritage hunting and fishing practices in Ontario with a Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act. (Unquote) STATE OF NORTH DAKOTA "To be submitted to the qualified electors of North Dakota at the General Election to be held in 2000, in accordance with ....... Constitution of North Dakota, Section (1). A new section to article X1 of the Constitution of North Dakota is created and enacted as follows: Hunting, trapping and trapping and fishing and the taking of game and fish are a valued part of our heritage and will be forever preserved for the people and managed by the law and regulation for the public good" Therefore, be it resolved that the Manitoba Government be petitioned to legally recognize the right to hunt and fish in Manitoba with a Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act guaranteeing Manitobans the right to exercise ethical and safe hunting and fishing practices, and acknowledging the role anglers and hunters play in environmental conservation. - -- end -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:34:50 -0600 From: Dan MacInnis Subject: News This is just this mornings news, nothing negative from me this time. Metropolitan Toronto Police yesterday raided two sports shops and seized 198 replica handguns, reportedly starters pistols which could be converted to working models. According to police, the owners or staff instructed undercover police officers in methods to convert these to full working firearms. On TV this AM, the replicas were shown for all to view, and it is amazing the similarity. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:39:45 -0600 From: Canadian.Firearms@Justice.GC.CA Subject: Bulletin No. 33/Bulletin no 33 Canadian Firearms@CFC 07/16/99 08:55 AM Dear Recipient: The Canadian Firearms Centre is responsible for delivering information relating to the Firearms Act to the Canadian public. If you experience problems with the transmission of this fax or want to be removed from our list, please contact the Canadian Firearms Centre by phone at 1-800-731-4000 or by fax at 1-613-941-1991. The Canadian Firearms Centre can also be contacted by e-mail at canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca . Canadian Firearms Centre Monsieur, Madame, Le Centre canadien des armes a feu est responsable de la diffusion de l'information relative a la Loi sur les armes a feu au public a travers le Canada. Si des problemes sont survenus dans la reception de ce message ou si vous desirez que votre nom soit raye de notre liste de diffusion, veuillez contacter le Centre canadien des armes a feu par telephone au 1-800-731-4000, ou encore par telecopieur au 1-613-941-1991. Vous pouvez egalement contacter le Centre canadien des armes a feu par courrier electronique au canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca . Si vous connaissez d'autre individus ou organismes interesses a recevoir de la documentation relative aux armes a feu, veuillez leur demander de nous contacter et nous ajouterons leur nom a notre liste de diffusion. Centre canadien des armes a feu ___________________________________________________________________ Bulletin No. 33 About the CFC Bulletin The Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC) Bulletin explains specific areas of the Firearms Act and how it affects you. The CFC coordinates the work of federal and provincial/territorial partners implementing the Firearms Act, which is being phased in from December 1, 1998 to January 1, 2003. The Gun Shows Regulations As you are aware, the Gun Shows Regulations have been deferred. This means that the licensing of gun show sponsors and exhibitors, as well as the notification, safe storage and display requirements that are found in the Guns Shows Regulations are not yet in force. Although these Regulations are deferred, all other provisions under the Firearms Act that are in force must be followed, whether at a gun show or anywhere else. For instance, the buying or trading of a firearm at a gun show is considered a transfer of the firearm from one owner to another, as of December 1, 1998. The buyers and sellers, therefore, must follow the transfer procedures. Selling or Trading Firearms at a Gun Show Under the Firearms Act, to buy, barter, receive as a gift or inherit a firearm is considered a transfer. There are two key steps to the transfer process: - - All transfers must be authorized by your Chief Firearms Officer (CFO); - - The firearm must be registered to the person receiving the firearm - the new owner. A transfer can be conducted by filling out an application form or, in most instances, by giving information over the telephone. If, as the organizer of the gun show, you know that some exhibitors intend to sell firearms, you should contact your CFO. The CFO will decide how to handle the transfers for that show, depending on the size of the show and the number of transfers expected. The CFO will assist the organizer in ensuring any transfers take place in an efficient manner. To contact your CFO call the CFC toll-free at 1 800 731-4000 and an operator will connect your call. If you use the paper application method to transfer a firearm, you will need to fill out one of the following two forms, depending on the class of the firearm: - - Application to Transfer and Register Non-Restricted Firearms to New Owners (JUS 682); - - Application to Transfer and Register Restricted and Prohibited Firearms to New Owners (JUS 681). These forms are available by calling the CFC toll-free or by printing them off the CFC Web site. It would be useful to have some forms on hand if you are planning on selling firearms. If a transfer is conducted by filling out an application form, the new owner will have to wait until they get their registration certificate in the mail, before they can take their firearm home. In the telephone transfer method, the new owner can take the firearm as soon as a Transfer Authorization Number (TAN) is issued. This can usually be done the same day for non-restricted firearms. It is important to remember that anyone who receives a firearm in a transfer, e.g. buys a firearm, must hold a valid Firearms Acquisition Certificate (FAC) or a Possession and Acquisition Licence. As well, when someone receives a firearm in a transfer, they must pay a $25 processing fee (per firearm) at the time of the transfer (if by telephone by Visa or MasterCard only). This fee covers the cost of both processing and issuing a registration certificate to a new owner. Reminder - On December 1, 1999: - - the fee for a possession-only licence increases from $10 to $45; and - - the fee for registering non-restricted firearms you owned on December 1, 1998 increases from $10 to $14. For more information, or for a copy of the Firearms Act, its regulations and other CFC publications, contact us at: 1 800 731-4000 (Toll Free) Web site: www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca E-mail: canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca Please help us keep our mailing list accurate by informing us if you move, if you are receiving duplicate copies or if you want to be removed from our mailing list. Please provide your mailing ID number with your request. This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the Firearms Act and its regulations. Provincial, territorial and municipal laws, regulations and policies may also apply. ___________________________________________________________________ Bulletin no 33 A propos du Bulletin du CCAF Le Bulletin du Centre canadien des armes a feu (CCAF) explique les divers aspects de la Loi sur les armes a feu et la facon dont elle sapplique a chacun. Le CCAF coordonne le travail des partenaires federaux, provinciaux et territoriaux qui voient a la mise en oeuvre de la Loi sur les armes a feu qui entre en vigueur graduellement le 1er decembre 1998 au 1er janvier 2003. Le Reglement sur les expositions darmes a feu Le Reglement sur les expositions darmes a feu, comme vous le savez, a ete reporte. Ainsi, la delivrance de permis aux parrains et aux exposants en plus des exigences relatives a la notification, a lentreposage et a lexposition securitaires comprises dans le Reglement sur les expositions darmes a feu ne sont pas encore en vigueur. Quoique ce Reglement soit reporte, toutes les autres dispositions en vertu de la Loi sur les armes a feu doivent etre respectees, que ce soit dans le cadre dune exposition darmes a feu ou ailleurs. Par exemple, depuis le 1er decembre 1998, lachat ou lechange dune arme a feu lors dune exposition darmes a feu est considere comme une cession de larme a feu dun proprietaire a un autre. Les acheteurs et les vendeurs, doivent alors suivre les procedures de cession. Vente ou echange darmes a feu dans le cadre dune exposition darmes a feu En vertu de la Loi sur les armes a feu, le fait dacheter, dechanger, de recevoir en cadeau ou en heritage une arme a feu est considere comme une cession. Le processus de cession comprend deux etapes cles : - - toutes les cessions doivent etre autorisees par le controleur des armes a feu (CAF); - - larme a feu doit etre enregistree au nom de la personne qui recoit larme a feu - soit le nouveau proprietaire. Vous pouvez effectuer une cession en remplissant un formulaire, ou dans la plupart des cas, en transmettant les renseignements par telephone. Si, en tant quorganisateur dune exposition darmes a feu, vous etes au courant que certains exposants ont lintention de vendre des armes a feu, vous devriez communiquer avec votre CAF. Le CAF decidera comment effectuer les cessions lors de cette exp osition, selon lenvergure de lexposition et le nombre de cessions anticipees. Le CAF aidera lorganisateur a faire en sorte que toutes les cessions effectuees se deroulent avec efficacite. Pour communiquer avec votre CAF, veuillez composer le numero sans frais du CCAF au 1 800 731-4000 et un telephoniste etablira la communication. Si vous utilisez la methode de demande sur papier pour ceder une arme a feu, vous allez devoir remplir un des deux formulaires suivants, selon la classe de larme a feu : - - Demande de cession darmes a feu sans restrictions (armes depaule) a un nouveau proprietaire (JUS 682); - - Demande de cession et denregistrement darmes a feu a autorisation restreinte et prohibees au nom dun nouveau proprietaire (JUS 681). Ces formulaires sont disponibles en composant le numero sans frais du CCAF ou en les imprimant a partir du site Web du CCAF. Si vous prevoyez vendre des armes a feu, il vous serait utile davoir ces formulaires en mains. Si une cession est effectuee en remplissant un formulaire de demande, le nouveau proprietaire devra attendre de recevoir son certificat denregistrement par la poste avant dapporter larme a feu a la maison. La methode de cession par telephone permet au nouveau proprietaire de prendre larme a feu des quun numero dautorisation de cession (NAC) lui est delivre. En ce qui concerne les armes a feu sans restrictions, cela peut generalement se faire la meme journee. Il importe de se rappeler que quiconque recoit une arme a feu lors dune cession, par exemple, sil achete une arme a feu, doit etre titulaire dune autorisation dacquisition darmes a feu (AAAF) valide ou dun permis de possession et dacquisition darmes a feu. Le nouveau proprietaire devra aussi avoir une autorisation de transport (AT) pour apporter a la maison une arme a feu a autorisation restreinte ou une arme de poing prohibee. De plus, lorsquune personne recoit une arme a feu lors dune cession, elle doit payer 25 $ de frais de traitement (par arme a feu) au moment de la cession (si la cession est effectuee par telephone, vous devez utiliser seulement Visa ou Master Card). Ces frais couvrent a la fois le cout de traitement et de delivrance dun certificat denregistrement au nouveau proprietaire. Rappel - A compter du 1er decembre 1999 : - - les frais de permis de possession augmenteront de 10 $ a 45 $; et - - les frais denregistrement des armes a feu que vous possediez le 1er decembre 1998 augmenteront de 10 $ a 14 $. Pour obtenir plus dinformation ou une copie de la Loi sur les armes a feu, ses reglements ou autres publications du CCAF, communiquez avec nous au : 1 800 731-4000 (sans frais) site Web : www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca courrier electronique : canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca Aidez-nous a garder notre liste de distribution a jour en nous signalant si vous demenagez, si vous recevez des copies en double ou si vous voulez faire retirer votre nom de notre liste de distribution. Veuillez nous fournir votre numero didentification denvoi avec votre demande. Le present bulletin est destine a fournir des renseignements generaux seulement. Pour connaitre les references juridiques, veuillez consulter la Loi sur les armes a feu et ses reglements. Des lois, reglements ou politiques des provinces, territoires ou des municipalites peuvent sappliquer aussi. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:42:29 -0600 From: Dennis Kim Subject: Re: ATT Land address Versus mailing address Yes I just sold a handgun and had to give the cfc/pcfo my legal land description. I live in northern alberta. I obliged them since its taken 4 months to finally sell it! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:44:41 -0600 From: Barry Snow Subject: re:Airsoft Subject: Editorials In National Post and Globe & Mail Both of Canada's "National" newspapers carried editorials on Friday July 16 dealing with the Liberal Government's failed gun registration scheme. Both papers were generally quite supportive of the RFC. A letter to either paper (or both) would be a reasonable show of support. The editorials are at their respective websites. Paul Meyer, P. Eng. 250-368-2407 pmeyer@hasimons.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 05:58:37 -0600 From: Peter Cronhelm Subject: hollow point ammo Apparently none of the firearms "experts" in your area have heard of rifles which are chambered for 9mm Luger. Apparently the CFO doesn't know everything as they would like us to think. As we all know HP ammo is perfectly legal in rifles and as such should be perfectly legal for you to buy. If you check with DAT you will find that in fact HP handgun ammo IS perfectly legal to buy or make in this country, it is only importing which is a PIA(Pain In the Ass). If you want hp handgun ammo I would suggest you get into reloading then you will never have to worry about not being ablt to buy the stuff as components are easy to get. I bought several hundred HP .355" bullets in a couple of different weights recently and none blinked an eye at it. And NO I don't own a 9mm rifle. Peter Cronhelm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jul 1999 06:00:56 -0600 From: "William R. Sherman" Subject: Airsoft Brad Wrote: >Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:48:48 -0600 >From: Brad Thorarinson >Subject: Re: Airsoft >So, if the Airsoft guns can cause serious injury, they are firearms, and >therefore not replica firearms. Would you point one at your eyeball and >fire it, expecting no serious injury? I sure wouldn't. Other than this >disagreement with the forensic scientist, I agree with Ms. Rousell's >reasoning. > >The Airsoft guns are like any other low-velocity airguns. You can buy and >sell them without a licence. You can transport them without authorization. >If you use them in the commission of an offence, they will be treated as >firearms, because they _are_ firearms. > >Brad So Brad, I take it that your satisfied that Airguns will now be classified as either firearms, or Prohibited firearms. Registration therefore necessary, along with all the other goodies, ATT for handguns etc. That eliminates new young shooters! For your information the RCMP have developed a policy, presumably with the CFC, that will prohibit, airguns with a velocity less than 300 feet per sec. This is specific so as to capture all the Airsoft Guns. So I find Ms. Rousells comment; "I am unaware of any legislative change that would result from the above opinion, given that it is simply an interpretation of the definitions of "replica" and "firearm" as they are found in the Criminal Code." to be misleading. I refuse to believe that the CFC does not know what new policies are being considered, and suspect in fact they are part of the decision making process. How long do you think before all airguns are included as either firearms or prohibited firearms. Airguns are quiet, compared to "real" firearms, and we all know that any device that muffles or suppresses a "firearm" is prohibited. The compressed air propellant could conceivably be prohibited! According to Murray Smith, Chief Scientist firearms section forensic laboratory, RCMP, ..."Airsoft Guns ARE prohibited, and those who currently own these Airsoft guns will be grandfathered." The RCMP is at this very moment working on "getting the word out". When asked if youngsters who own Airsoft guns will also be grandfathered. Mr. Smith said "yes"! Attempts to discuss this with him were thwarted because we were there to discuss, deactivated firearms with he & Mike Chamberland. Firearm Instructors who attended the FSESO conference, June 26/99, Waterloo Ont., are well aware of this. So the "writing IS on the wall" and when I asked ..>Anyone have any thoughts on how to combat this nightmare?? I truly expected something more constructive in this forum than your comment.."Drink lots of coffee, so you don't go to sleep? " So I ask again, any" constructive" thoughts out there? ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #75 *********************************