Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 07:22:52 -0600 Message-Id: <200001231322.HAA18435@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca> X-Authentication-Warning: broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca: majordomo set sender to owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca using -f From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #261 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, January 23 2000 Volume 03 : Number 261 In this issue: Re: Volley of shots was fired from automatic weapons Lightning Strikes CILA Letter to the Ottawa Sun Editor RE: Logic vs Emotion Re: Volley of shots was fired from automatic weapons REWARD $25,000 National Post Supreme Court Article Fatal Gun Accidents Drop FSESO region 8 Gun theft was:NEWS - SSAA website in the media M1-D Garand Right To Hunt and Fish CFC Denial of Transfers at 39th Annual SGCA Gun Show Fw: Canadian Geographic Magazine Vol 120, No. 2, Seal Wars, pp 36 - 48 Re: CFC Denial of Transfers at 39th Annual SGCA Gun Show Re: National Post Supreme Court Article NOTICE re CPFO ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:44:03 -0600 From: akimoya Subject: Re: Volley of shots was fired from automatic weapons > Investigation by a team of forensic, homicide and hold-up squad > officers, led by Detective Richard McVeity of York's homicide squad, > has determined that the attackers scaled a ladder to reach the roof of > the commercial complex on East Beaver Creek Rd. and East Pearce St. The solution is obvious: we must register all ladders, and licence all ladder owners. Any ladder over 12' should be confiscated, to avoid repetitions of tragic events like this. If it saves only one life... And where was it determined that the guns used were indeed "automatic", as in "fully", not "semi"? Or is this just typical media laziness and propaganda? Bruce Hamilton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:44:11 -0600 From: Peter Cronhelm Subject: Lightning Strikes I was just watching a TV show on extreme weather and it seems that over 300 people are struck by lightning each year in North America. Our federal government is spending/wasting a billion dollars on a scheme to prevent gun deaths which total less than the number of people struck by lightning. There's a good use of your tax dollars huh? Peter Cronhelm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 07:58:03 -0600 From: Al Dorans Subject: CILA Letter to the Ottawa Sun Editor CILA Letter to the Ottawa Sun Editor Scrap the UN and Bill C-68 Re. "Time to put the UN in mothballs" (Jan.7), Paul Jackson documents the sheer bungling and incompetence of the United Nations. In Rwanda, Bosnia and East Timor, the UN has presided over genocidal massacres of more than 1 million disarmed and innocent civilians. It has become a haven for bleating liberals and brutal dictators who seek to overthrow western values. According to Robertson, in its quest for a globalization New World Order, the UN intends to replace all religions with one state religion. Arguing that we live in a global village, it seeks to eliminate all national boundaries and supports a policy of unrestricted immigration in the world. Can you imagine how Canada would change if 3 billion refugees and immigrants hit our shores? The NWO plan is a sure-fire recipe for world dictatorship. For these dictates to work, however, it is essential that all world citizens be disarmed of their small firearms. That is exactly what Canada and Japan have been doing at secret UN meetings in Cairo (1996) and Buenos Aires (1998). Canada is the world role model. Foreign Affairs Minister Axworthy and Deputy Prime Minister Gray have endorsed such a resolution without informing Canadians. Accordingly, both the UN and Bill C-68: The Firearms Act should be relegated to mothballs. Al Dorans Professor Al Dorans 27 Cedar Grove Court Director of Operations, Ottawa Office Nepean, Ontario K2G 0M4 Canadian Institute for Legislative Action (613) 828-8805 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:18 -0600 From: "Ron Hofman" Subject: RE: Logic vs Emotion The federal government has stated that the Firearms Act "is about safety". But in fact, after reading the many posts regarding similar laws enacted and enforced in other countries such as NZ, Australia, GB, etc., we can NOW honestly say "It's NOT about OUR safety!!!!" and ask the question, "If it IS about safety, who's safety are you talking about?" Of course, the federal government is not interested in facts or logic. Ron NFA FO ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:28 -0600 From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: Volley of shots was fired from automatic weapons At 07:44 AM 1/21/2000 -0600, Bruce wrote: >And where was it determined that the guns used were indeed "automatic", as >in "fully", not "semi"? Or is this just typical media laziness and >propaganda? Couldn't possibly have been automatic. At the risk of stating the obvious, those are prohibited. Didn't all the bad guys turn their's in. Of course they did... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:32 -0600 From: "RJK Sr,." Subject: REWARD $25,000 Where will it end??? NO Hunting NO Fishing NO Trapping NO Guns... And a lot more NO's.... Bounty for Fur Farmers US fur farmers, adding to the usual barrage from animal rights interests, now have another problem to contend with. The Dallas-based Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade and Last Chance for Animals are now offering a $25,000 reward for the arrest and conviction of any US fur farmer on animal cruelty charges, according to a report in WLFA's Update newsletter. WLFA commented that the move is yet another publicity-gaining scheme by the antis, noting, "it will undoubtedly bring people out of the woodwork with creative information against legitimate businesses, just so they collect money." No word yet on any active cases resulting from the announcement. - -------------------------- The New Gun Week January 2000 edition ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:14 -0600 From: Ron Alton Subject: National Post Supreme Court Article For those that might have missed it, the N.Post ran a spread on Jan.8th written by Luiza Chwialkowska giving a profile of the nine judges and an overview of the high court's innerworkings and its role in Canadian policy making vis a vis its judgements and oftentimes contradictory stances on cases with similar threads that deal with certain aspects of the Charter for example.The new chief justice Beverley McLachlin is described as "both a pragmatist and and idealist and not guaranteed to take any one side". The article cited three imminent cases on the docket including our case: (1) The Sharpe case on child pornography (2) The Darrach case on the 1992 rape shield law, and (3) The multi-jurisdictional/intervener challenge of the 1998 Alberta Appeal Court's decision re the Firearms Act The article provided a prognosis of the likely outcomes of all three of the above via the opinions of 4 pundits in legal and political fields: 1-Errol Mendes, Law Professor @ U.of Ottawa 2-Ted Morton, Political Science Professor @ U. of Calgary 3-Lorraine Weinrib, Law Professor @ U. of Toronto 4-Chris Manfredi, Political Science Professor @ McGill U. Results: 1- Couldn't come to any concensus on the Sharpe case. 2- Agreed that court will uphold the 1992 law. 3- Agreed that the court will come out in favour of the federal govt. re Firearms Act Views expressed by the pundits on the Firearms Act case varied from...."if the regulation of abortion was deemed to be within federal jurisdiction, I think the gun laws would clearly be in the federal jurisdiction too.There are lots of regulatory schemes within federal jurisdiction: environmental laws,fisheries, the Competition Act.."(Mendes)...to..."I think the Provinces have a very very good case but I don't think they'll win.....Politically, it has come to be defined as a feminist issue"(Morton)...to "This a textbook case of what falls within federal jurisdiction."(Weinrib)....to..."I think they have a centralist bias toward the federal government. I don't think they are particularly sympathetic to the provinces' claims about jurisdiction." (Manfredi). It's interesting that a law professor (Mendes) in his analysis would cite a whole bunch of federal areas that have absolutely nothing to do with the issue of property governance and thus no comparision to the Firearms Act challenge and his reference to abortion law here seems way out of whack. And I wonder what "textbook" Weinrib pulled from her library? She is a former deputy director of constitutional law and policy for the Ontario Attorney General's dept. and it would appear that she is an avid feminist. Seems to me that the political pundits here have more savy than the legal eagles but only time will tell. The article states the date for Firearms Act hearing as Feb.21-22 Ron Alton ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:35 -0600 From: "RJK Sr,." Subject: Fatal Gun Accidents Drop Fatal Gun Accidents drop to 900 in 1998 Reflecting the value of safety efforts by industry, the National Rifle Association and many volunteer groups, a report by the National Safety Council(NSC) shows accidental firearms fatalities reached an all-time low of 900 in 1998-the fewest fatal accidents since such record keeping began in 1903. Fatal gun accidents have been declining for many years, but this was the first time the national total dropped below 1,000. The 900 figure for 1998 represents a decline of 18 %, from the previous year, a decline of 40% for the 10-year period 1989 to 1998, and a decline of 65 % since 1974 when 2,513 fatal firearms accidents occurred. The Safety Council tracks unintentional injuries and deaths due to a variety of causes. The 900 accidental firearms-related fatalities reported by the NSC for 1998 compares with 41,200 deaths related to motor vehicle accidents, 16,600 in falls, 4,100 in drownings, 3,700 due to fire or burns, 3,200 due to choking, and 9,400 from poisoning, in the same year. Firearms-related deaths in the home are at an historic low, as well. Of the total number of accidental fatalities attributed to firearms in 1998, 700 of these occurred in the home, a decline of 12.5% from the previous year. The New Gun Week January 2000 edition... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:21 -0600 From: "Alan Harper" Subject: FSESO region 8 If you're a CFSC instructor in region 8 (eastern Ontario), please contact me. Bye. Al. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:39 -0600 From: "Barry Glasgow" Subject: Gun theft was:NEWS - SSAA website in the media In message "NEWS - SSAA website in the media", "SSAA" "Radio 5AA Adelaide ">"21/1/2000 ">"1500hrs ">" ">"A new initative has been launched to help track down stolen firearms in ">"South Australia. It comes after two gun thefts in 2 days. [snip ">"Inspector Brad Flaherty from ">"the Police Firearms Branch says that way the information will be readily ">"available to the public. ">""What I am hoping for is that the initiative will create a closer ">"association between firearms fraternity and SAPOL and we will be able to ">"throw a wider net with information out so people can become aware of the ">"fact that there are stolen firearms out there and that they can be a ">"great assistance to us in recovering them. Notice that the good inspector did not say "assistance in nailing the thieves' axxxx to the wall". I find it hilarious that even the police are more interested in finding the guns than finding and locking up the people responsible for the illegal gun trade. The anti-gun loons are always moaning and wailing that we gun owners are responsible for all the stolen guns that are circulating among those poor misguided criminals but for all the so-called "get-tough" legislation we've seen in Oz and here in Canada, you won't find any provision for, let's say, an automatic 5 years in jail for stealing and dealing in stolen guns. No, that would make too much sense. We'd be discriminating against the justice system's preferred clients. But let some poor slob let a registration lapse and "Holy jumpin' Jeezus ! - - let's nail that s.o.b. to the wall" ! Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:25 -0600 From: David.Parry Subject: M1-D Garand I am looking for a M1-D Garand sniper rifle, all matching. If you have one, would you please reply to me directly. Cheers, David Parry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 07:59:10 -0600 From: cougr41 _ Subject: Right To Hunt and Fish There are many who read this Digest. Unfortunately, I suspect that most do nothing more than read. Perhaps it is time for all who read this to write their MPP and urge them to copy the actions of the OFAH. What will it take to send a simple e-mail? It would not hurt to have your club do the same thing. What about organizations like the BC Wildlife Federation, the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation, etc? Give them some "encouragement to follow in OFAH's footsteps. If this can be done in Ontario, why not in all the provinces? If this were to happen in all provinces, it would be another nail in 68's coffin. It would also ensure the continued right to hunt and fish. Send your e-mails today. I did. "The Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters are going to court in June/00, to instill hunting, trapping and fishing as a constitutional right, under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms Act (freedom of expression). This decision will have an immediate impact on widlife conservation and could have further impact North America wide." For more info, please visit www.ofah.org Let me know if you do this - I will be curious to see the size of the response. Bruce Beswick cougr41@sk.sympatico.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:21:40 -0600 From: Larry Luzny Subject: CFC Denial of Transfers at 39th Annual SGCA Gun Show FYI. One of our exhibitors at our 39th Annual SGCA Gun & Collectible Show was denied transfers by Miramichi, under the direction of the Chief Firearms Officer. As this denial of transfer is a new initiative by the Canadian Firearms Centre, spearheaded by Saskatchewan Federal Firearms Officer Services, we have taken it upon ourselves to find out what is going on. Below is a letter we have sent to the Chief Firearms Officer to start the process. January 22, 2000 Mr. Al Terry Federal Firearms Officer Services 1405 Albert Street Regina, Saskatchewan S4R 2R8 Re: Business License Requirements for Gun Shows Dear Mr. Terry: Thank you for our meeting of Wednesday, January 19th, 2000. As you are aware, we are very concerned with your conduct in withholding a number of transactions between one of our exhibitors and numerous customers during the 39th Annual SGCA Winter Gun and Collectible Show. At our Wednesday meeting, you had indicated that it has always been a Provincial Policy that Business Licenses are required to conduct business at a gun show. (You referred to Section 19 of the Firearms Act.) Previously, I had discussions with a representative of the Department of Justice - Province of Saskatchewan about this matter. It is my understanding that there is no such policy requirement. A review of the Canadian Firearms Centre website does not identify the need for a business license to conduct business at a gun show. As discussed at our Wednesday meeting, please provide me with a list of all business licenses issued in the past five years, to out-of-province dealers so they may attend a gun show in the Province of Saskatchewan. If you have any questions, I can be reached at 543-7599 (home) or 780-6289 (work). Sincerely, Larry Luzny Gun Show Manager cc. Commissioner - RCMP Canadian Firearms Digest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 07:16:33 -0600 From: "Bert van Ingen" Subject: Fw: Canadian Geographic Magazine Vol 120, No. 2, Seal Wars, pp 36 - 48 - -----Original Message----- From: Bert van Ingen To: Letters to the Editor Date: Saturday, January 22, 2000 9:49 PM Subject: Fw: Canadian Geographic Magazine Vol 120, No. 2, Seal Wars, pp 36 - 48 Your article on the East Coast Seal Hunt ( Jan/Feb 2000) overlooks a few important details. The majority of animal rights groups appeal solely to emotion and intentionally avoid any reference to fact or logic. They also promote an urban perception of nature that conflicts with rural lifestyles and attitudes. I find it hypocritical and offensive that they only champion animal causes that are perceived as symbolic, intelligent or "cute". Why do we never hear from them about spiders, snakes, sharks or even lobsters and Atlantic Cod? When I was in graduate school in biology I took a critical look at the scientific literature on Harp Seals. It indicated that they are not as vulnerable as the popular literature would suggest. The population, as a whole, overproduces pups. No doubt this is an ancient reproductive strategy to address the perilous nature of their existance. Although whelping on pack ice eliminates predation by bears, foxes and wolves, winter storms and premature ice break-ups have routinely decimated entire populations of helpless newborns. As well, following a drastic population decline, an increased proportion of the seal population is induced to produce even more pups through physiological mechanisms that lower the age of sexual maturity of females. Evolution and adaptation is an on-going process and the seals have managed to weather the onslaught of their new predator, man, over the past few hundred years. Our greatest failing is selfishness and greed. That the seals were not driven to extinction like so many other animals, in the era that preceded the conservation awareness movement, is a testament to their resilience. As distasteful as the seal hunt outwardly appears, providing the sealers practice humane killing, utilize the carcasses, and observe sound population management I can see no reason why Canadians shouldn't be able to "harvest" a natural resource. If the IFAW or Greenpeace wanted to do something noble they would dispense with their expensive sensationalism and rhetoric and offer financial incentives or alternative jobs to the people affected. Bert van Ingen, Nepean, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 07:16:43 -0600 From: "Robin Leech" Subject: Re: CFC Denial of Transfers at 39th Annual SGCA Gun Show You know, of course, that the actions of your CFO in Saskatchewan (and also those for the CFOs for Alberta, Manitoba and the NWT), are controlled by one Gerry Braun, an RCMP officer who sits 2 floors above our Alberta CFO here in Edmonton? Dave Tomlinson is attempting to do something about this right now. The relationship between your CFO and Braun is identical to that of Charlie McCarthy (the dummy) and Edgar Bergen (the ventriloquist) of many years ago. Aint life grand? Robin Leech ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 07:16:44 -0600 From: mike Subject: Re: National Post Supreme Court Article Aw cmon does anyone with a shred of knowledge about this issue expect the government appointed SC to be any different than the govt appointed senate when it comes to rubber stamping govt policy. Lets face it, these folks have spent most of their adult lives securing a good seat on the gravy boat, so it's not likely they will do anything to upset their free ride at taxpayers expense. They only parrot the dominent public opinion at that time. Also since the hockey subsidy was an obvious diversion, what happened last week that needed to be kept from public attention? mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 07:22:49 -0600 From: Wayne Cooper Subject: NOTICE re CPFO This notice was found on the IPSC Ontario website. URGENT NOTICE TO ALL FIREARMS OWNERS If you value your sport, and your guns, read this and act now!!! >From the office of the Ontario Handgun Association The OHA office has just been informed that the provincial government is seriously considering closing the CFO in Orillia, opting out of C-68 and leaving us at the mercy of Ottawa. This action would have very serious consequences for all of the shooting sports in Ontario. Ottawa would be in control of all our licenses, ATT, ranges and purchases. Consider the following: - - ranges re-inspected to the federal guidlines (most were closed in BC by this action) - ATT wording to the federal guidlines (one permit per location and all guns listed) - local firearms officers answering to an Ottawa appointed CFO (PWEU Squad?) - zero tolerance to any and all infractions - lead times for permit applications extended and on and on. The CFO in Ontario has been very cooperative with the shooting organizations and ranges. They have built up considerable credibility and trust with the firearms owners. The organizations, particularly the OHA, have an excellent working relationship with them. We will lose all of that if the government opts out. What can we do? First, we need testimonials from all the clubs and organizations attesting to the co-operation and working relationship with the CFO and supporting their contunied existence. These should be mailed or faxed to Sup. Dana Ostrom at the CFO (777 Memorial Drive, Orillia, L3V 7V3 fax: 705-329-7660). Next, we have to put pressure on the Tory MPP's and Cabinet Ministers. Quite a number of our members worked to get these people elected and now they are leaving us to the dogs. Use all the contacts you have to encourage them to keep the CFO intact. This issue is urgent as there will be a meeting late next week to decide the fate of the CFO and determine the government's direction. A package will be sent early next week to all the club contacts along with names and addresses of all the PC MPPs. You can download this information from the government website. Please encourage your clubs to take action and send letters in support of the CFO. Please advise the Ontario Handgun office of any responses. Best Regards Larry Whitmore Executive Manager ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #261 **********************************