From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Friday, 06 April, 2001 10:17 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #715 Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, April 6 2001 Volume 03 : Number 715 In this issue: Letter: A sad commentary on our present Liberal government FW: Quid Pro Quo? Love To! Letter: CRIMINALS DON'T REGISTER Column: NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY IS A MUST 2,600 sex offenders expected to register Rosie's poll Ontario: What will be in a sex offender's registry file? Re: Cila Bulliton V4 01 New Anti-gang Legislation Re: FW: Police get another $200-million to fight organized crime - Ordinare Folks Mad cow-related disease hits Canadian elk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:07:43 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: A sad commentary on our present Liberal government PUBLICATION: The Whitehorse Star DATE: 2001.04.05 SECTION: Opinion PAGE: 7 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Law disarms honest people - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- A quote from Sir John A. MacDonald during debate on the 1877 gun law: "It might have the effect of disarming the person who ought to be armed, and arming the rowdies." In the now-massive waste of money up to this date, approximately $1 billion has been spent on Bill -<68> in attempting to register firearms by the present Liberal government. It has had no effect at all on the criminal element of Canada; it only penalizes law-abiding Canadians. And still the Liberal government cannot find money to aid our farmers or find and deport criminal immigrants. Also, according to the Canadian Association of Radiologists, the Liberal government has no money to replace 52 per cent of our x-ray and ultrasound machines, which are 20 years-plus old, obsolete and not reliable for medical diagnostic work and would be prohibited by law in the U.S. A sad commentary on our present Liberal government, which, in pursuit of social engineering and political correctness, has strayed so far from the roots of using logic and common sense exhibited by our forefathers. Mr. Mrs. A.W. Parsons Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:07:36 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FW: Quid Pro Quo? Love To! - -----Original Message----- From: Rick Lowe [mailto:ricklowe@direct.ca] Sent: April 4, 2001 9:56 PM To: letters@thetelegram.com Subject: Quid Pro Quo? Love To! Editor: Ted Hannah's letter published in your paper comparing vehicle registration to firearms registration has caught my attention. He comments that a "slight" infringement on individual rights is a small price to pay for the greater good. He challenges firearms owners to a "quid pro quo", in his comparison of vehicle and firearms registration and owner licencing. I have two words for him as a firearms owner: "Love to!". He would be in for a rude awakening. Mr. Hannah and the other drivers in this country can begin by filling out a highly invasive license application which pries into every aspect of their lives, from their love life, to their emotional health, to their failures in business and in school. Any number of factors, from depression to excessive drinking to marital discord may be a red flag that here is a person who is not emotionally stable enough to be trusted behind the wheel of a vehicle hurtling down a public highway. Once prospective drivers have applied for their license, then the wait begins. No more interim drivers' licenses - wait up to a year to see if they will receive their license or not - and no license, no buying vehicles or being in possession of them. Take the bus and check your mail each day, Ted! Once licensed, Mr. Hannah and the rest of the drivers in this country can then wait with bated breath to see if a collection of bureaucrates have decreed that their particular motor vehicle is not suitable for normal driving. If so, they can expect to see it declared a prohibited vehicle and confiscated without confiscation. This is only a slight infringement on individual rights, Mr.Hannah - who really needs a vehicle capable of exceeding the speed limit by a significant margin anyway? There is no public road in this country that requires the handling of a sports car or the ability to exceed the speed limit in order to safely travel from point to point in a responsible manner. Let's get those overly powerful vehicles out of private hands and off the streets as part of your "quid pro quo", Mr. Hannah! Mr. Hannah will be delighted to find all offences relating to unsafe storage or use of his automobile now contained in the Criminal Code, so that those who break the law can have some jail time and a criminal record in the interests of hopefully making us all a little safer. Injure someone in an accident where you are at fault - go to jail. And have your vehicle confiscated and destroyed, of course. Remember, given the number of stolen vehicles used in crime, Mr. Hannah will have to promptly comply with "safe storage" regulations for his vehicle. Should he be found not in compliance with those regulations, a quick trip to jail and confiscation of ALL his vehicles should make him more appreciative of the gravity of the situation. And finally, Mr. Hannah will be delighted to discover that police can come and "inspect" his home (including his computer) as part of their job of ensuring he is a responsible motor vehicle user - without any reasonable cause requirement that he is suspected of not complying with the legislation. And why not - the number of people killed through the criminal/negligent misuse of firearms in this country pales in comparison to those killed with motor vehicles. Yes, Mr. Hannah, I would love to have such a quid pro quo with you and the rest of the vehicle owners in this country. Because if the rest of the people like yourself had to submit to what firearms owners do in order to continue to own and use your vehicles, this odious, Draconian legislation would be repealed within weeks. Still interested in that quid pro quo, Mr. Hannah? Rick Lowe #27-724 Innes Avenue South Cranbrook, BC V1C 2A5 (250) 426-0032 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:18:39 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: CRIMINALS DON'T REGISTER PUBLICATION: The Winnipeg Sun DATE: 2001.04.06 SECTION: Editorial/opinion PAGE: 10 COLUMN: Letters to the editor HEADLINE: LETTERS TO THE EDITOR COLUMN CRIMINALS DON'T REGISTER I see from Sunday's Sun that police nationwide have seized more than 70 firearms from the Hells Angels and their associates, including some fully automatic weapons. As a result, I have to ask: How many of these firearms were registered in accordance with Bill -<68>? How many of these firearms were stored safely in accordance with the law? How many of the persons in possession of them held a firearm possession licence as required? If the answer is at least one to any of these questions, I'll eat this fax (letter). Dave Buchanan LaRiviere, Man. Editor's Comment: If criminals obeyed all laws would they still be criminals? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:18:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY IS A MUST PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2001.04.06 SECTION: Comment PAGE: 14 SOURCE: Toronto Sun BYLINE: Christina Blizzard DATELINE: Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY IS A MUST - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Chrysler has an advertisement for its new PTCruiser that asks readers to check one of two boxes: Get it. Don't get it. It often seems to me that victims' rights in this country are very much like that. There are, on the one hand, the victims -- the bereaved families, the walking wounded -- who must spend the rest of their lives with the intolerable pain of their loss. They get it. On the other hand, there's the federal government that not only does not get it, but brings in laws to reinforce just how much it doesn't. All this was clear at a news conference yesterday where provincial Solicitor General David Turnbull announced the proclamation into law of the province's new sex offender . It takes effect April 23 and is called Christopher's Law in memory of 11-year-old Christopher Stephenson, who was kidnapped and murdered in June, 1988, by Joseph Fredericks, a convicted sex offender with numerous previous convictions and a history of violence and pedophilia. Fredericks was out of jail on "mandatory supervision" when he abducted and murdered the child. Christopher's parents, Jim and Anna, were on hand for yesterday's announcement. "If I had one wish, it would be that I didn't have to be here today," Jim Stephenson told the news conference. He and his wife have campaigned for a decade for the . They point out that after their son was abducted from a Brampton shopping mall, there was no database of sex offenders. It wasn't until the following day that police were able to develop leads and locate Fredericks. Police say that in such abductions, 44% of victims are dead within an hour after the kidnapping. So speed is key in locating known sex offenders. That's what this will provide to all local police forces and the OPP. There are some loopholes, however. First, the federal government, which clearly checks the "Don't get it" box on crime, has so far refused to sign up for a national , making it more difficult to track perverts who travel from province to province. The feds say the Canadian Police Information Centre (C-Pic) is all they need. The province says that isn't adequate. "It was less than 10 years ago, at the inquest into our son's death, that the jury recommended among a number of major changes, the establishment of a national sex offender ," Stephenson said yesterday. "We certainly applaud the initiative of this government in establishing this at the provincial level, but continue to feel that the true solution, the only solution, is national offender ," he said. While there has been discussion in Ottawa recently about the issue, he and his wife are pessimistic that anything will come of it. Also, after five years, sex offenders, like all criminals, can get a pardon. Once a pedophile is pardoned, his name is removed from the . All of which makes you wonder if it isn't time to reconsider the whole pardon process. Right now, all offences are pardonable five years after the sentence is served. Fredericks was killed in prison in 1992. Isn't it time to declare some crimes so heinous, so repulsive to society they simply cannot be pardoned? Those people who violently sexually assault children would be on my list as those who cannot be rehabilitated, and who should live forever with the stigma of their deeds. Meanwhile, you have to admire the Stephensons for their noble efforts in all of this. They lost a sweet young child under the most horrific circumstances. With quiet dignity, they went about changing the law. It wasn't easy. The bill was introduced in December, 1999 and passed in April of last year, but is only now becoming law. It has taken more than a year to get the database up and running and all the details ironed out. The Stephensons have experienced our criminal justice system at its worst. They know from the aching loss they feel every day just how desperately we need to protect the most vulnerable in society from violent predators. Too bad the feds don't get it. ------------------------------ Date: 2001.04.06 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: 2,600 sex offenders expected to register - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- 2,600 sex offenders expected to register; Obliged to sign list in Ontario starting on April 23 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- More than 2,600 people are expected to register as sex offenders in Ontario, Solicitor-General David Turnbull says. "With establishing Canada's first . . . sex offenders this is a critical first step in our ability to protect vulnerable children and adults in our community," Turnbull told a news conference yesterday. Beginning April 23, sex offenders released from prison who move to a new community in Ontario, or move to the province, must register with police within 15 days or face a $25,000 fine or two years less a day in jail or both. Individual registration must be updated annually for at least 10 years or until a pardon is provided. In the first year some 2,600 are expected to register. The legislation is named Christopher's Law in memory of 11-year-old Christopher Stephenson, who was abducted and killed 13-years ago by a pedophile on mandatory release from prison. Christopher's murderer was later killed in prison. "Christopher's tragic murder underscored the need for the sex offender . "The Stephensons (Jim and Anna) are tireless advocates for victims' rights. And since Christopher's death in 1988 they have dedicated their lives to promoting a sex offender ," Turnbull said. "An important tool will be made available to better protect our communities and families . . . from repeat sex offenders," Jim Stephenson said. An inquest into Christopher's death in July, 1993, recommended a national for high-risk sex offenders, but Ottawa has balked saying the Canadian Police Information Centre is sufficient. Ontario's legislation was passed a year ago but it has taken a year to get the system up and running. The $6-million-a-year will provide police with a photo, current address, telephone numbers and a description of the offender. Among those required to register include pedophiles, rapists and child molesters. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:19:01 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Rosie's poll This is must be distressing to Rosie. Here's the latest results on the poll (Thurs.evening): http://www.rosiemagazine.com/causes/index.jsp Are you for or against gun control? 2% -- I'm for gun control. 88% -- I think everyone has a right to own a gun with no restrictions. 1% -- I think it's okay to own a gun, provided the owner is licensed to carry a weapon. 7% -- I think it's okay to own a gun, provided there are background checks at the time of sale. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:19:08 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Ontario: What will be in a sex offender's registry file? PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2001.04.06 SECTION: News PAGE: 41 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- HOLDS THE FACTS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- What will be in a sex offender's registry file? - - Offender's name, aliases and date of birth; - - Current address and date when the offender began living there (including proof given of that address); - - Home, personal and business telephone numbers; - - Photos of the offender and dates taken; - - Physical descriptions, including distinguishing features; - - List of sex offences and particulars of each, including the police force that filed charges, sentence dates and dates of release. What are the penalties for not registering? - - First offence comes with a maximum fine of $25,000 or up to one year imprisonment; - - Subsequent offences can draw penalties of a maximum fine of $25,000 plus up to two years less a day imprisonment; How long must an offender continue reporting for the ? - - Anyone convicted of a sentence less than 10 years must report their whereabouts for 10 years. Anyone convicted of a sentence longer than 10 years remains on the for life. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:19:15 -0600 From: "Mike Cianci" Subject: Re: Cila Bulliton V4 01 "The federal government has tabled Bill C-15, an omnibus bill containing 58 amendments to the Firearms Act. After two and a half years of solid work, we are delighted to report a change in the Section 12(6) "Grandfathering" date from February 14, 1995 to December 1, 1998. This will allow individuals who legally purchased these guns after the old date to keep them. It also gives these 47,000 individuals full "Grandfathering", allowing them to buy sell and trade prohibited handguns. Congratulations to everyone who entered the CILA 12(6) Class Action law suit. You won!" said CILA I am not a "Grandfather". I purchased a short barreled handgun in March 1998 at the Kamloops Gun Show so that I could be part of the fight against the short barreled section of C68 and participate in pocket pistol events in Cowboy Action Competitions.The registration date for this gun is July 22, 1998. I fully expected CILA to fight the concept of "Grandfathering as it creates two classes of Canadian citizens which I felt violated my human rights and my constitutional rights. I joined the CILA class-action suit, sent my $20 and clearly did not win. Everybody did not win! I wonder how many others like myself did not win. What help is CILA going to provide me if I continue my fight? I am extremely disappointed in the gleeful tone of the "Grandfathering" section of your letter. We did not win a goddamn thing from my prospective. Michele (Mike) Cianci . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:02:28 -0600 From: "Bert van Ingen" Subject: New Anti-gang Legislation It is not a big step for government to use the proposed new "anti-gang" legislation to concoct "true" stories about the compromise of public safety through the "banding together" of "militant" firearms owners through clandestine operations (gangs?) such as the "RFC" which "is so secretive that it has no membership list or apparent organizational structure!" Then RFC would be made illegal and subject to raids and newly legalized entrapment schemes. The common thread here would be dangerous firearms and vast quantities of ammunition would be uncovered in virtually every bust and the press would lap it up. This would further the case for cops to step up their vigilance and enlist public sympathy to insist on more powers and money. I sure hope I'm wrong. Bert van Ingen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:51:34 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: FW: Police get another $200-million to fight organized crime - On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" wrote: > OTTAWA (CP) _ The federal government introduced legislation > Thursday to crack down on organized crime in a package that also > offers new tools and $200 million of new money for police. ...and also explains why the CPA voted to support the Firearms Act. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:02:37 -0600 From: "Bert van Ingen" Subject: Ordinare Folks Many of us devote many hours weekly in trying to keep abreast of the C-68 monster. But millions of Canadians don't and they figure that if they stay quiet and blissfully ignorant the fuss will go away. Yesterday I accompanied a friend to assess a renovation job on an old farmhouse in the country. There in plain view in the living room on top of the hutch was an Norinco M-14. I couldn't help but notice that it had a 20-30 round magazine in it and that the "bolt" was closed and that there was no sign of a lock of any kind. I said nothing and on the way out 1/2 hour later discretely asked him ( a successful Ottawa businessman ) if he was aware of the new gun laws and the storage regulations. He emphatically said yes he "knew them inside out" and muttered something about "predator control". I left it at that. I had never met the fellow before. But, I also know that he arrived at the house at the same time as we did and the still warm hood of his wifes car indicated that the house had been empty, except for two friendly big dogs, for the better part of the day. What can I say? Think he would ever report a stolen firearm if the house was burglarized and he knew the consequences, think the Fire Department would not report something if they had to go in while no one was home? Think his two kids couldn't figure out a way to get that thing down off the cupboard and point it out the window? Bert van Ingen ------------------------------ Date: (No, or invalid, date.) From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Mad cow-related disease hits Canadian elk http://www.ctvnews.com/asp/content/newsstory_view.asp?NewsStoryID=11717&Stor yTextID=13163&SectionID=1&SectionName=Top+Stories&feature=0 Mad cow-related disease hits Canadian elk Thu. Apr. 5 2001 5:54 PM Saskatchewan's farmed elk population has been hit with a serious disease, related to mad cow disease. Chronic wasting disease has been detected in a number of elk in the province, and there has also been a confirmed case in a wild deer. The only way to control the disease, also known as CWD, is by killing all the animals infected with it, as well as animals who come in contact with the infected wildlife. The farmed elk industry in Saskatchewan is worth some $15 million. On Thursday Agriculture Minister Lyle Vanclief confirmed the province's elk population has been hit with chronic wasting disease. "Where there have been positive cases of chronic wasting disease found, those animals and all of the animals in that herd, and tracing out to other herds where the stock from those gone have been destroyed, we will continue to do that, in an effort to eradicate chronic wasting disease," said Vanclief. Very little research has been conducted on the effect of the disease on humans. The Canadian Food Inspection Agency says there is currently no scientific evidence proving that CWD can affect humans. Elk and deer in the United States have been hit by chronic wasting disease in the past. The U.S. Department of Agriculture says the disease is progressive and always fatal. Signs of the CWD include weight loss and behavioural changes. RELATED LINKS Cdn. 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