From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Sunday, 08 April, 2001 10:34 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #716 Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 03 : Number 716 In this issue: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #714 CFC - RANGE INSPECTIONS HAVE POSITIVE RESULTS Special Bulletin For Aboriginal Firearms Users - No 5 reality check CFC - Application Forms Available for Download Man can't get home after area sealed CILA Request for Letters to CARP $600 MILLION WOULD HAVE PUT A LOT OF POLICE ON THE STREET Have fun "Surfing" this weekend! FW: Quid Pro Quo? Love To! How to bring the administation of Justice into disrepute then and now [none] signs on the side of city buses Sabiston transcript CILA Letter to the London Free Press ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:26:14 -0600 From: B Farion Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #714 - - Make it an offence to wear ``uniforms'' of gangs, such as special colours or rings. Hi; Well, they could also throw engineers and frat brats in the slammer. Those 2 groups do some awfull things you know! Cheers Bill (;-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:27:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC - RANGE INSPECTIONS HAVE POSITIVE RESULTS http://cfc.gc.ca/safety%26education/PDFs/OnTarget/targ-v16e.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:29:37 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Special Bulletin For Aboriginal Firearms Users - No 5 http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/owners%26users/aboriginal/bulletins/bulletin5.html Special Bulletin For Aboriginal Firearms Users - No 5 Background Safety Checks This is the fifth in a series of special bulletins that explain the Firearms Act and how it affects Aboriginal Peoples in Canada. Designed to improve public safety, the Firearms Act is being phased in between December 1, 1998 and January 1, 2003. Background Safety Checks In almost all cases, you will need to have a Firearms Act licence (or valid FAC) by December 31, 2000 to have or use guns in Canada. (People who use guns under someone else's direct supervision do not need a licence.) When you apply for a licence, your background will be checked for certain criminal convictions and incidents of violent behaviour. The goal behind conducting this check is to reduce the risk of firearms related incidents, including domestic violence and suicides. The violent behaviour that will raise concerns is not limited to the use of guns. It may be any type of violence, threatened violence or attempted violence against others or yourself. If the initial screening reveals criminal convictions or a history of violence, a firearms officer may conduct a further investigation. This investigation may include interviews with your friends, neighbours, persons with whom you live or work, community leaders or social workers. The information gained from the investigation will help to determine whether to: issue a licence, issue a licence with conditions restricting your possession or use of firearms; or refuse to issue a licence. In order to issue you a licence, the firearms officer needs to be reasonably satisfied that you are not a risk to yourself or others. Spousal Notification In addition to the background safety checks described above, a spouse or common-law partner that you live with, and spouses or common-law partners that you lived with in the last two years, must be notified that you are applying for a licence to acquire firearms. Schedules 1 and 2 which are attached to the Possession and Acquisition Licence application form (Form JUS 888) serve this purpose. These forms may be signed by your current or former spouse or partner indicating that they know about your licence application. The section where the spouse or partner signs contains a statement telling them that they may contact the Chief Firearms Officer to raise any safety concerns that they may have with your application. If they do not sign the form, they will be notified of your application and asked if they have any safety concerns. Refusals to Issue Licences or Issuing Licences with Conditions Attached The background safety checks may show that, in the interests of safety, a licence should be refused or conditions attached to the licence. Aboriginal Adaptation If you are concerned that you may not be eligible for a firearms licence, the Aboriginal People of Canada Adaptation Regulations allow you to include a recommendation from an elder or leader of your Aboriginal community, describing how important it is for you to take part in traditional hunting practices. A Chief Firearms Officer must consider a recommendation made by an elder or leader before refusing to issue a licence that was applied for under the Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations . The recommendation may be made on a form called "Schedule B - Recommendation for Eligibility - Traditional Hunting Practices" (Form JUS 792). A copy of that form is attached to this bulletin. Recommendations can also be made by letter or some other written form. For More Information If you have questions about filling out the Firearms Act forms, or about the background safety checks, call 1 800 731-4000. If the operator cannot answer your general questions, they can transfer your call to the Chief Firearms Officer of your province or territory (also free of charge). Revised 17 January, 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:31:11 -0600 From: "Herb McKay" Subject: reality check I'm sorry Peter decided to retire. A few weeks ago he wrote a message that said it wasn't a good idea to discuss messages for the billboards or suggest other ideas, (like trailers and buses) in the digest. He wrote that if you had great ideas you should be on the billboard comitee. Seems some people don't care and write their ideas anyway. I noticed one wrote nothing but critisism of the ideas, and then decided not to pursue the thread that she created. That is like giving your opinion and telling the rest of us to shut up. She also called us rednecks in the same article in the last paragraph.Lady,us rednecks do something. We build, we give money, we belong to the different associations and we spend our money and lose time from work to go to rallies, and we go to gunshows to support the cause, and we give our time freely. We don't sit at a computer spouting critisism of others and offering our own ideas to replace good ones that are already being persued. I wish Peter didn't retire I am sure he would have something to say about this. Herb McKay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:32:05 -0400 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC - Application Forms Available for Download http://cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/forms_assistance/Forms/Default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:02:21 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Man can't get home after area sealed PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2001.04.06 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: News PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Pamela Cowan SOURCE: The Leader-Post - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Man can't get home after area sealed - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- All a resident in northwest Regina wanted to do Thursday afternoon was go home for a shower after work and hold his babies, but he couldn't. Steven Schaff lives in the area blocked off by Regina police shortly after shots were fired Thursday morning at 9 a.m. Police closed the area bordered by Whelan Drive, Dalgliesh Drive, Courtney Street and Arnason Street for almost seven hours while they investigated the shooting. Police arrested two youths in connection with the shootings. They were to appear in court this morning. ``I got off work at 1:30 p.m. and I tried every single route to get to my house and there was no way I could get there -- I even tried the grid roads,'' said Steven Schaff, who lives on Blackwood Street. ``My girlfriend Stacey is at home taking care of our two babies, who are three weeks old, but the cops won't let me anywhere near there. I'm upset,'' Schaff said. ``I just want to go home, have a shower and hold my kids.'' The area was cordoned off for public safety and residents were asked to remain in their homes and stay away from windows, said Sgt. Rick Bourassa, Regina Police Service spokesman. ``Anytime we're dealing with a situation involving a firearm, particularly one in which we know shots have been fired, our first thought is for safety and our primary goal is to resolve the situation as safely as possible and with minimal risk to anybody,'' said Bourassa. ``Until we're satisfied that there is no longer a threat, we'll keep the area cordoned off.'' Prior to school dismissal at 3:30 p.m., the two school boards contacted parents of children living in the blocked-off area who attend St. Jerome, St. Angela Merici, Centennial and MacNeill schools. They were asked to either pick up their children or make arrangements for their care. On coffee row at the Sherwood Mall, reaction about the shooting among residents was mixed. Gwen Mullen's children attend W.H. Ford. Mullen was shocked when she heard about the shooting on the radio. ``I was wondering about the kids coming home from school at lunch,'' she said. ``Then when I heard about the fellow's windshield being hit, I thought, `that could have been me' because I drive that route. You don't think of that happening over here -- it was a little too close.'' The shooting didn't shock Dean Richert, a Walsh Acres resident. ``Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to human beings,'' he said. ``There should be tighter controls on those who break the law.'' The shooting will add fuel to the fire for those in favour of the new gun law, said Wayne Bryski, a Co-op employee. ``The new gun law angered me big time and this is just more fuel to say should be banned,'' Bryski said. The media should tone down their coverage of shootings, he added. ``Media attention to shootings is widespread and it gives these guys their 15 minutes of glory,'' he said. ``I think they do this for the notoriety -- it's thrill seeking.'' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:54:36 -0600 From: Al Dorans Subject: CILA Request for Letters to CARP CILA Defending Canada's Heritage ............................... Dear Firearms Owner, A few days, I received an important letter from Maurice Curtis, Delta, Ontario. Maurice noticed that in the national magazine from the Canadian Association for Retired People, members were raising cane over the health issue. He indicated that CARP has 370,000 members and actively lobbies the government on matters near and dear to all Canadians. Maurice wrote, "Perhaps, if CARP realized the money wasted on firearms safety was tearing the heart out of the Health Care System, we would then have a new support group. Hopefully, well thought out letters printed in the CARP magazine would work." In support of Maurice's excellent suggestion, a CILA letter will follow shortly to protect our firearms rights and freedoms. For your convenience, the publisher and editor is David Tafler , Production Manager Richard Hennessey or . Professor Al Dorans Director of Operations, Ottawa Office Canadian Institute for Legislative Action / Institut Canadien pour l'Action Législative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:24:35 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: $600 MILLION WOULD HAVE PUT A LOT OF POLICE ON THE STREET HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES Question Period Friday, April 6, 2001 Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca UNEDITED COPY (Time posted: 14:10) Mr. Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton-Melville, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, this week I made public the fact that more than a million firearms owners failed to apply for a firearms licence before the January 1 deadline. Of course the government has done its best to keep this phenomenal failure of the gun registry a secret. The Liberals ignored all the common sense advice they received in 1995 concerning Bill C-68, and look at the jam they are in now. This type of backlash is predictable when millions of good citizens are treated like criminal suspects. The government made the dubious claim that the gun registry would somehow be useful to police. But how is a registry with more than a million gun owners missing from it going to be of any benefit? No wonder the vast majority of front line police officers are so opposed to the gun registry. On September 22, 1998, the justice minister said the C-68 debate is over. If the debate was over back then, why did she have to introduce 22 pages of amendments to it? Six hundred million dollars sure would have put a lot of police on the street. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:31:31 -0600 From: "Jim Hinter" Subject: Have fun "Surfing" this weekend! Organization: National Firearms Association We are continuing the process of upgrading the National Firearms Association Web Page www.nfa.ca Some of the new features: Billboard Campaign Update: www.nfa.ca/billboards.html Canadian Businesses: www.nfa.ca/canadianbiz.html Reloading links: www.nfa.ca/reloadinglinks.html Firearm Manufacturers: www.nfa.ca/firearmmanufacturers.html It is the understanding of the National Firearms Association that even Gordon Hitchen, the esteemed moderator of the Canadian Firearms Digest, has not even been able to visit all the links yet. I invite you to visit the pages. We are still upgrading and building as we go. Of interest, the main page, www.nfa.ca is receiving an average of well over 150 "hits" per hour. Since the first upgraded page was put online on April 1st, there have been over 24,000 hits. Enjoy the weekend! Jim Hinter National President ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:33:42 -0600 From: Cliff Simpson Subject: FW: Quid Pro Quo? Love To! Re: car versus firearm registration Another thing that never gets mentioned, You don't have to register your car. As an old car collector I often don't register a car I've bought until It's been fixed up and I want to drive it. Some farmers have old "beater" trucks for hauling manure, rocks, peat moss etc. that never leave their property so they also are not registered. I'd suggest that the government should spend a billion or two to register all the old clunkers rusting in fields across the country but I'm afraid sarcasm is lost on liberals. Cliff "Friends don't let friends vote liberal." Simpson http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:11:12 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: How to bring the administation of Justice into disrepute How do we bring the administartion Justice into disrepute here in Canada. Sinple we enact new laws that allow the Police to break the law. Watergate will look like a cub scout outing compared for what we are in store for. better run and dismantle all our narns before some intrepid Polizei decide it is worthy of burning it down. A government that allows the Police to break laws, is not a government in a democracy, it is a tyranical regime, the likes of Idi Amin , and Noriega would have been proud to be associated with. I am disgusted with these new laws. The Police do not need them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:11:06 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: then and now Today, everybody can buy all the beef they can afford in the supermarket Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Boy how right that is. Have you ever looked at the price of meat. Outrageous, and you could put ten dollars of meat in your glovecompartment it is so small. I for one rely on my outings into the "mother nature food mart" for my meat needs, because i for one cannot afford the high cpost of groceries. Spend 200 bux at the local grocery store, see how much it gets you, and how few bags you come home with. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:11:19 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: [none] Had the CPA and the Chiefs Associations withdrawn their support for Bill C-68, they would have had access to over half a billion dollars to fight the gans, organized crime, and would not have to demand the right to break laws. of course they have not demonstarted that they need to break laws to tackle organized crime, it is that they just "want it". Looks lik they backed the wrong horse. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 12:47:31 -0600 From: "jim davies" Subject: signs on the side of city buses > Magnetic signs on cars area good idea. > How about signs on the side of city buses. Not only would they be visible > but they would travel all over town for more exposure... I have often been told by business people that ads on the outside of city busses are the very best bang for the buck. This is also advertising on a scale that we can handle. What if we were to focus on specific lieberal MPs in specific ridings and further tailor such ads to addressing their weakest point, whether it was C-68 related or not and developing ads to suit, and of course, gathering enough money to do it? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:11:01 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Sabiston transcript Congratulations to Gordon Hitchen, our moderator, for getting the Alberta Sabiston trial transcript scanned and hosted for use by all in the RFC. Sabiston was the Alberta gun owner who persisted with his demand that he be exempted from writing the CFSC exam and be grandfathered into a re-newed FAC. He met all the current specified criteria for alternate certification - and top of all that carried a restricted firearm on the job and had been a Hunter Ed instructor/examiner for many years. I certainly expect that he will be in line to obtain a CFSC exempted PAL. The Alberta CFO refused to grant him alternate certification, insisting that no exemptions from the CFSC were available, that the CFS course/exam was/were readily available to him and that Sabiston could financially afford to avail himself of it/them. Sabiston refused, insisted that under C-17 he had a right to be grandfathered from the CFSC and pursued a court reference. He acted successfully for himself in court and the Alberta CFO was directed to issue him with a re-newed FAC forthwith. It was the Sabiston case that I used as a precedent to obtain a grandfathered - experienced firearm owner - PAL in Ontario. Thanks to Gordon's efforts, Canada's firearms owners are now on an equal footing with provincial and federal firearm licencing personnel with at least the alternate certification issues covered by the Sabiston court precedent. It is my contention that this precedent has some very wide brush strokes. These licencing personnel are part of the same group who assured the RFC they would withdraw support for the universal registry, because of its cost and ineffectiveness, its high rate of non acceptance and non compliance and then didn't for the second consecutive year. I was advised some time ago by the Rural Transcript Management Office, in my role as a 'social scientist', that the transcript had been ordered by 'numerous' federal and provincial government bodies and officials. This 'popularity' largely followed the publication of my '98 - '99 alternate certification case, an Ontario Out of Doors magazine article and my November 2000 paper on the governments legislative intentions for alternate certification under the Firearms Act. The transcript office wondered about the transcript's popularity. I suggested to them that I should get a commission on all the photocopied versions they were selling. I paid $112.20 to have the court transcript transcribed for use by myself and all the members of the RFC. This, a number of donated reprinted copies of the transcript and my logistical efforts has been my 'donation' to the RFC. Again, we can all thank Gordon for expending the energy and the time to make it available to us all. SALUTE!! Now if there was some way to convert it from a PDF doc into a speedy Word, or plain text, version. The download time via my local dial up networking was an hour. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:33:05 -0600 From: Al Dorans Subject: CILA Letter to the London Free Press CILA Defending Canada's Heritage ............................... CILA Letter to the London Free Press "Fighting for freedom is a noble cause" Re. "A Role Unworthy of a Great Actor (Charlton Heston)" (April 5), Bill Brady reflects the typical anti gun media bias and the sensationalized reporting of shootings that sell newspapers. Is it any wonder why polls show that 80% of Canadians believe crime is on the rise? In truth, violent crime has been declining in Canada for the past 8 years (Statistics Canada, 1997). Mr. Brady's illogical line of thinking begins. Yet another tragic school shooting has occurred. So let's ban all guns! According to this warped reasoning, if another automobile and another airplane fatality occurred, we should ban all cars and planes. His argument is as dizzy as blaming Rosie O'Donnell's fork for her obesity. Has no one told Mr. Brady that firearms are a net benefit to society? In Canada, Mauser and Buckner (1997) discovered that Canadians use firearms for self-protection against animals and criminals 64,000 times a year. They determined that 3,300 Canadian lives are saved every year. In the USA, Lott (1998) found that wherever civilian firearms ownership levels were highest, crime was lowest. Using FBI statistics for all 50 states and 3,054 counties over an 18 year period, Lott concluded that more guns equal less crime. Civilian firearms ownership deters violent crime and also mass killings. For every life lost with a firearm in the USA, Suter (1994) calculated that 65-75 lives are saved. Kleck (1998) noted that Americans use firearms 2.5 million times a year to protect themselves against criminals. Without understanding the benefits of the "right to carry" a handgun in the USA, Mr. Brady is quick to condemn the practice based on his one trip to the USA. For good reason, 32 states allow the right to carry. As a consequence, crime has been declining steadily in the United States for the past 8 years (FBI Statistics, 1998). Seldom is this reported. Mr. Brady makes a mockery of Carey McWilliams, a partially blind university student who was issued a handgun for self-protection. Mr. McWilliams passed a demanding battery of required tests, all with flying colors. Little does Mr. Brady understand that women, the elderly and the disabled (blind) are most vulnerable to attack from criminal predators. Little does he know that using a handgun is the best means of self-protection. Little does he realize that merely showing a firearm is sufficient to break off a criminal attack 98% of the time, without a shot ever being fired (Kleck, 1998). Knowing that he is competently trained and well equipped to deal with home invaders at 3:00 A.M., Mr. McWilliams can now enjoy life in personal peace. Thanks to Charlton Heston! Professor Al Dorans Director of Operations, Ottawa Office Canadian Institute for Legislative Action / Institut Canadien pour l'Action Législative National Office: P.O.Box 44030, 600 Grandview St. S. Oshawa, ON. L1H 8P4 Ph: (905) 571-2150 Fax: (905) 436-7721 e-mail: teebee@sprint.ca Ottawa Office: 27 Cedar Grove Crt. Nepean, ON. 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