From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Monday, 09 April, 2001 15:20 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #718 Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 03 : Number 718 In this issue: Brothers sentenced to month's confinement for threats to students Deer overrun farm country A Responsible Firearm Owner should be so lucky Former Canadian boxing champ shot to death undetermined Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #717 Re: [chat] legal challenges and RFC leadership foot-dragging Sabiston transcript [CFD v.3 #716] Axworthy... Alberta cops holster opposition to gun law Protests and Police ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:18:53 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Brothers sentenced to month's confinement for threats to students PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal DATE: 2001.04.07 SECTION: New Brunswick PAGE: A3 SOURCE: Telegraph-Journal BYLINE: CHUCK BROWN DATELINE: ST. STEPHEN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Brothers sentenced to month's confinement for threats to students - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Two St. George-area brothers who threatened to shoot and kill their Fundy high school classmates were sentenced to a month each in a youth correctional centre on Friday and placed on two years supervised probation. The brothers, aged 14 and 15, cannot be identified under the provisions of the Young Offenders Act. The boys appeared in youth court in St. Stephen Friday after earlier pleading guilty to threatening to kill Fundy high school students. On Feb. 23, the brothers told students of their plan to pull a fire alarm then open fire on the students from a rooftop perch. One of the boys has a history of calling in fake 911 calls and the other brought a BB gun to school on the day the threats were made. Students who heard the threats told the school principal and the boys were suspended immediately. They have not yet returned to school and part of their sentence bars them from Fundy high school until at least June 30, 2001. They can only return to school if approved by the administration. They are now being tutored for one hour a day. Defence lawyer Joel Hansen said the threats may not have been blatant and that other students may have put words in the boys' mouths. "It's not clear to me that these boys ever actually issued threats," he said. But he conceded the boys somehow allowed fellow students to believe they were going to shoot them. Crown prosecutor Randy DiPaolo said, "The bottom line here is these kids were threatened by these boys." Fourteen Fundy high school students gave written victim-impact statements to the court. Sentencing was difficult in this case because young offenders are not normally locked up for first offences. However, Judge David Walker said he had to consider the grave nature of the threats and the rash of school shootings in the U.S. and Canada. "Communities are terrified," Judge Walker said. "These shootings do happen." He said the brothers have a history of abuse and neglect and they've been in and out of foster homes. "They've had a very difficult life." He said the month of secure custody was needed to ensure the public's safety and to make the boys understand the seriousness of the threats. As part of their sentence, the boys will also be placed on curfew and are forbidden from owning or possessing or from visiting homes where are kept. A youth worker will decide where the boys should live. Their mother lives in St. George and their father lives on Deer Island. Reach our reporter tjstst@nb.aibn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:19:00 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Deer overrun farm country PUBLICATION WINNIPEG FREE PRESS DATE : MON APR.09,2001 PAGE : A7 CLASS : City EDITION : - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Deer overrun farm country, get run over Ruin cattle feed, cause crashes and it's not legal to shoot them - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Bill Redekop Bill Redekop RAPID CITY - There are deer in the farm fields, hundreds of them, and deer in the lanes. There are deer in the cemetery and deer in people's backyards. Motorists must come to a complete stop sometimes to let a single-file formation of up to 30 deer cross the road. One nonchalantly trotted in front of a moving Free Press car the other day. There are dead deer in the ditches. "I've hit three or four and had vehicles written off," confides local farmer David Wilson, although it's been a couple of years since he last ran into one. "Pretty well everyone around here has hit a deer." Lorna Hodgins has hit four or five. "One time driving into town to work in the bar, I ran into two of them at once. It didn't kill them, though," says Hodgins, who owns a cow-calf operation near here. Every year at this time, deer overrun this part of the province -- and sometimes get run over. Literally thousands of deer inhabit the farm fields from near Minnedosa to the Little Saskatchewan River valley. It's no big deal, says Manitoba Conservation wildlife biologist Dan Chranowski. "Deer have always congregated in the valleys. There's better shelter there and there are a lot of livestock operations around Rapid City where deer have access to hay bales." Deer like to congregate in the winter, making communal paths through the snow to reduce energy expenditure. It's also been a tough winter in southwestern Manitoba, with cold temperatures and, unlike the rest of the province, above-normal snowfall. So deer bodyfat levels are down and the animals are more desperate for food, Chranowski said. The deer population has been relatively stable in recent years, he maintained. Other parts of the province where deer like to congregate in winter include Pembina Valley, Clearwater, Miniota and Birtle. But as soon as spring arrives and the woods start to green up, the deer will disperse far and wide because there are a lot more food sources. "You can go through that area in summer and be lucky to see one or two deer," Chranowski said. Right now, you can see hundreds. "They're so tame they don't even run across the road any more. They just sort of saunter," says Wilson, who sees hundreds of deer in his fields.Deer even jump the fence into Wilson's pig pen at night, snacking on pig feed while the porkers sleep, he said. But no one has more problems with deer than Hodgins. "I take a out and shoot at them (above them) because I'm sick of them," she says. About 100 deer descend on her farmyard every day from December until spring. That's in her farmyard; she has no idea how many are in her farm fields. The deer travel in single file along bush trails from four directions, getting into her round bales, round-bale feeder, barnyard and shed, not to mention her lilies, peonies, irises and tulips. (Deer are wild about tulip bulbs, she found out too late). They've stripped every tree branch as far as they can reach. Their droppings are everywhere, too. The deer droppings are knee-deep in the trails they've cut through the bush and snow. And the deer attract coyotes. "The coyotes killed a deer right in my yard three weeks ago," Hodgins says. "I've got coyotes with mange chasing deer all over my yard." The deer eat or destroy half her cattle feed every winter. She's tried everything short of erecting a four-metre- high fence to keep out the deer. She's bordered her bales with blood meal because deer won't cross the smell, but that lasts only until the first snow falls or first wind blows snow over it. She's laid down a circle of huge round bales to keep the deer out, but snow drifts at the base of the bales and the deer just climb over them. She has photos of deer standing on top of her large round bales and eating. They urinate on the bales and then the cows refuse to eat it. They've ruined her fences. "A deer is hit on the highway and runs injured into the yard and over my fence," she says. Hodgins says sometimes she walks into her yard and starts yelling at the deer out of frustration. Other times she tries to pretend they're not there. She says Manitoba Conservation officers keep warning her not to shoot the deer. It's against the law, even if they're damaging her home or property. If she wants to shoot one, she has to wait until fall and buy a hunting licence for $50 like everyone else. Automobile collisions with big game have been on the rise in recent years, increasing from 6,000 in 1996 to 13,000 in 1999. The wildlife collision rate is highest in the Brandon region, where 3,600 wildlife-collision claims were reported last year. That's the region where deer and human populations encounter each other most, said Manitoba Conservation. bill.redekop@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:18:44 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: A Responsible Firearm Owner should be so lucky PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2001.04.09 SECTION: Moncton PAGE: A3 BYLINE: LEE OLIVER - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Police Beat - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Last chance A Moncton man with an extensive criminal record has been given one last chance to turn his life around. Frank Sloan Hannay, 29, pleaded guilty in Moncton provincial court to possession of a restricted weapon with ammunition, unauthorized possession of a restricted weapon, possession of a restricted weapon obtained through the commission of a crime and breach of probation. Hannay avoided a potentially lengthy jail term when Judge Irwin Lampert allowed him to attend a drug addiction treatment program in Montreal as part of his sentence. "Mr. Hannay," said Lampert sternly, "I can tell you, without equivocation, that this is your last chance. I don't want to see you before the court again." Hannay was arrested on November 23, 2000 after officers, answering a call for assistance to remove an unwanted occupant from a residence, found Hannay asleep in a bed with a loaded Webly Mk IV .38-calibre revolver beside him. The weapon had been reported stolen from a Riverview residence two weeks earlier. Hannay explained to the court that since the birth of his baby girl, he has wanted to turn his life around, and that a long-term drug addiction was at the root of all his criminal behaviour. To help him beat the addiction, Hannay and his lawyer, Hazen Brien, had spent the last month securing Hannay a bed in the Montreal-based Portage adult drug treatment centre. Initially, Lampert seemed less then enthusiastic about the idea of letting Hannay serve his sentence in the community, but eventually relented and ordered Hannay to an 18-month conditional sentence. He did, however, impose the strictest of conditions, including a lifetime ban on the use or possession of , and orders that Hannay must successfully complete the eight-month drug rehab program, serve four months under house arrest, and not associate with any person with a criminal record for the full 18 months. Once Lampert imposed the no-association order, Hannay pointed out that meant he wouldn't be able to see his parents, since his father has a record. Lampert amended the order to allow him to associate with his family. Next, Hannay pointed out that it was likely some of the other residents at Portage would have records. Lampert further amended the order to allow Hannay to associate with those in rehab. Finally, Hannay stood and said, "Your Honour, I've been thinking about this no association with people with criminal records and I don't know a single person without a criminal record." Lampert, laughing, saw his way clear to reducing the no-association to four months. In addition to the conditional term, Lampert sentenced Hannay to one day in jail for each of the four charges, and deemed those sentences covered by time served. Hannay has been in custody since Nov. 23. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:31:54 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Former Canadian boxing champ shot to death PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2001.04.09 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: News PAGE: A6 SOURCE: Canadian Press DATELINE: MISSISSAUGA, Ont. ILLUSTRATION: Color Photo: Ken Kerr, Canadian Press / Former boxing champion Eddie Melo, pictured with his wife and son in this 1997 file photo, was the target of a murder attempt in 1989. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Former Canadian boxing champ shot to death: Eddie Melo had a long criminal record and ties to organized crime - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- MISSISSAUGA, Ont. -- A former Canadian boxing champion with reputed mob ties and a long criminal history was shot to death in the parking lot of a suburban shopping plaza over the weekend, leaving police in search of a lone gunman. Eddie Melo, 40, died at the scene. The shooting Friday evening also claimed the life of his cousin, Joao Pavao, 42, Peel Regional Police said. ``It's very early stages of the investigation to speculate on what the motive is,'' said homicide Inspector Tom Slinger, adding that police aren't yet sure yet whether the killings were a mob hit, personal revenge or something else. ``All the background, the history, both long ago and more recently, of the victims is of interest to us. But until we get down the road in the investigation it's impossible to say.'' Witness George McGonegal said he didn't hear the killer say anything to the men before opening fire and they gave no sign that they knew they were in trouble. ``The guy just rushed in there, shot and took off,'' McGonegal said. After the shots rang out, witnesses said the gunman hijacked a red Honda Civic from the parking lot. The car was found abandoned in another parking lot Saturday. No was found and the car has been sent to the Ontario Provincial Police for forensic testing. A former Canadian middleweight boxing champion, Melo was the target of another murder attempt in November 1989. Police uncovered the plot after investigating the disappearance of a cocaine trafficker. Eight men were convicted of the murder attempt. Melo, who won the middleweight title in 1979, had a lengthy criminal record, including convictions for assault, weapons offences and fraud. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:32:02 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: undetermined [Traduction] LE CONTRÔLE DES ARMES À FEU 37e Législature, 1ère Session HANSARD RÉVISÉ * NUMÉRO 045 Le vendredi 6 avril 2001 M. Garry Breitkreuz (Yorkton-Melville, Alliance canadienne): Monsieur le Président, cette semaine, j'ai révélé publiquement que plus de 1 million de propriétaires d'armes à feu n'ont pas demandé de permis de possession d'armes à feu avant la date limite du 1er janvier. Bien sûr, le gouvernement a fait de son mieux pour garder secret cet échec monumental du registre des armes à feu. Les libéraux ont fait fi de tous les conseils sensés qu'ils ont reçus en 1995 au sujet du projet de loi C-68. Voyez dans quel pétrin ils sont maintenant. De telles conséquences sont prévisibles lorsque des millions d'honnêtes citoyens sont traités comme des suspects. Le gouvernement a affirmé que le registre des armes à feu serait utile à la police, ce qui n'était pas du tout certain. Comment un registre dans lequel il manque plus d'un million de propriétaires d'armes à feu sera-t-il de quelque utilité? Il n'est guère étonnant que la vaste majorité des policiers de première ligne s'opposent tellement au registre des armes à feu. Le 22 septembre 1998, la ministre de la Justice a dit que le débat sur le projet de loi C-68 était terminé. Si le débat était terminé à ce moment-là, pourquoi a-t-elle dû y insérer 22 pages de modifications? Avec 600 millions de dollars, on aurait certes pu accroître fortement le nombre de policiers dans les rues. * * * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:05:16 -0600 From: Walter Martindale Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #717 > > > Hi; > > Well, they could also throw engineers and frat brats > in the slammer. > > Those 2 groups do some awfull things you know! > > How about five guys heading to the Rod and Gun club for > the monthly > meeting, wearing jackets with a club crest? Or NFA > crest... > Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca We nearly got into a big gangbang fight in Boston once - we were in our rowing team jackets, in the wrong neighbourhood, after the Head of the Charles regatta. Situation calmed down after we said "we're only here for rowing and we're a Canadian rowing team" - wasn't a threat to anyone's turf. Sports Teams - look a lot like gangs sometimes. W ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:07:31 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: [chat] legal challenges and RFC leadership foot-dragging On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, bratt wrote: > On the subject of a legal challenge there is only one way to do it. > That is on the legal basis of commonlaw rights under Magna Carta. That's one challenge. However there can be many more since the Firearms Act violates so many different constitutional rights. According to one insider's account, there were 4 separate charter and mass civil actions outlined and presented to the RFC leadership at the summit meeting in Saskatoon. Senator-elect and constitutional law professor Ted Morton and some CA MPs were willing to promote the legal actions and provide the research data to back them up. However the RFC leadership expressed no interest in doing anything and turned them down. One RFC leader was even downright hostile to any action. These initiatives are still open to whoever wants to attempt one. Court costs for an injunction are cheap ($20-$40K) and a successful injunction would have the effect of stalling the registry deadline until the matter was settled in the courts. Ted Morton has all the details and has been waiting for the go-ahead from all the RFC groups to proceed. He has been waiting since Nov. 99. Why the RFC leadership are foot-dragging on these initiatives is anyone's guess... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:44:03 -0600 From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: Sabiston transcript [CFD v.3 #716] Organization: Barrister & Solicitor Lee Jasper wrote: [snip] Now if there was some way to convert it from a PDF doc into a speedy Word, or plain text, version. The download time via my local dial up networking was an hour. I have learnt that you can obtain the same transcript from the Rural Transcript Management Office on a 3.5" floppy. Ask for it in ASCII format. This will give you the document in text format and allow for speedy retransmissions, downloads, &c. Richard A. Fritze Barrister & Solicitor www.fritze.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:08:38 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Axworthy... For full news release: http://www.newswire.ca/releases/April2001/09/c3211.html The Honourable Lloyd Axworthy Joins Fraser Milner Casgrain LLP Former Foreign Affairs Minister Takes Role As Trade and International Affairs Consultant TORONTO, April 9 /CNW/ - The Honourable Lloyd Axworthy, Canada's former Minister of Foreign Affairs, has joined national law firm of Fraser Milner Casgrain LLP as a consultant on matters of trade and international affairs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:10:17 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: Alberta cops holster opposition to gun law Stiff upper lip..pip pip. fought the good fight . Now they Alberta cops want to quit. BNad enough the CPOA got bought off for their 30 pieces of silver, but to roll over and die. Get a grip guys. did you think it would be easy. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing. With 7 million gun owners in this fight since it started, we are not about to quit no matter waht some Supreme court stacked with Liberal monkeys says. As for the CPA and the rest of the blue line. supporting Bill C-68 will cost you an immense amout of public support. The line has been drawn..US and Them. Dont bother looking for support from the public. You cannot be trusted to go the distance to seek justice and freedom because it is right, why should we go the distance for you.? Police... the worlds largest street gang... armed... dangerous... and breaking a law with impunity near you. Who needs em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:19:40 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: Protests and Police With the Quebec summit not far off, Police under instructions from their boses will be told to make sure the protesters are not seen, heard, or allowed close to the officials attending the conference. When Police are used in this fashion, to stop, or otherwise stifle lawfull protest, those that protest feel they are not being heard, are being disenfranchised. Result is they become more vocal, more aggressive, and yes perhaps even more beliguerent. The Police will of course "just be following orders, and somehow they will justify what they are doing as being upholding laws.... but whose laws are they upholding.? Shawinigan laws or the laws of this once great country. The time is rapidly approaching where the protesters wether they be at the summit or else where, will come equiped to deal with the Police. I recall the Student riots in France. In the first day the police in france injured several hundred protesters, used tear gas, batons, sprays of dark murky liquids, and arrested several more hundred. Thousands of protesters were in the street that day. Day two of the student riots, the students learned their lesson, and adapted their protest. They came with helmets on, face shields, batons, and their own dark murky concoctions, and they had at the french cops. Over fifty cops were sent to hospital, another hundred injured. The students gave out as good as they got. What the Police learned that day was that they are not the only ones with a monopoly on the use of force. When pushed to far, the people can and will strike back. Were the students right?.... Judging by how few went to jail, perhaps... it is a personal matter of opinion The French Police learned a valuable lesson, and they treated the protesters with more respect on day three as they stared across fene barriers at each other...tolerance now being the popular buzzword. Bully boy tactics are great to use if your target is weak, but what if your target is determined as these students were. Perhaps it is only a matter of time before Canada learns these same hard lessons. Peppergate was the wake up call for protesters. Protest is protest.. the government may not like it, but it is a part of democracy. Governments whoc try to crush it, stifle it, or ignore it do so at their own peril, time and history has shown this to be true. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #718 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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