From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 11 April, 2001 08:26 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #719 Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 719 In this issue: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Seizure_Judge=92s_Old_Law_Firm_Represents_G?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?rand-M=E8re_Golf_Club?= Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #718 Caution, Please Bill Board Idea Sabiston Billboards PAPER GUN CASE THROWN OUT RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #717 U.S. - Regulate Gun Owners or Regulate Gun Industry? Re: [chat] Re: Alberta cops holster opposition to gun law ABORIGINALS BOYCOTT GUN REGISTRY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:44:14 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Seizure_Judge=92s_Old_Law_Firm_Represents_G?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?rand-M=E8re_Golf_Club?= http://www.canadianalliance.ca/hotissues/viewby/index.cfm?DoID=485&category= 4&department=24&readarticle=1 Seizure Judge's Old Law Firm Represents Grand-Mère Golf Club FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 9 April 2001 Kelowna -- Stockwell Day, Leader of the Official Opposition, today released information that raises serious questions about the impartiality of Quebec Superior Court Judge Joel Silcoff, who, late Saturday, ordered the seizure and destruction of documents that touch upon the Auberge Grand-Mère. "Judge Silcoff was appointed to the court less than a year ago by Jean Chretién's cabinet. More troubling, Judge Silcoff was a partner in Pouliot Mercure, the law firm that represented the Grand-Mère Golf Club during its negotiations with Jonas Prince, and continues to represent the golf club to this day," said Mr. Day. "It is unfathomable that Judge Silcoff did not recuse himself from this case because of this obvious conflict. How can someone who was a partner in the golf club's law firm last year, now claim to independently assess a hearing involving the hotel next door?" asked Mr. Day. "Even more troubling are the circumstances of Judge Silcoff's order," added Mr. Day. "An extraordinary weekend hearing raises troubling questions in itself. But the judge's order to 'destroy' this evidence is virtually unprecedented. Even the most heinous evidence in Canadian legal history - the infamous Bernardo videotapes - have not been destroyed. This is a staggering development." The Canadian Alliance has retained legal counsel to assess whether or not an injunction can be obtained to stop Judge Silcoff's order, and protect the documents - if they haven't already been destroyed. Legal counsel will also be asked to assess a possible complaint against Judge Silcoff to the provincial judicial council. Mr. Day also announced that the Canadian Alliance is appealing to the Information Commissioner for assistance with numerous Access to Information requests it has made that were denied by the BDC. "We can see that the BDC is intent on destroying documents," Day said. "We are asking the Information Commissioner of Canada to ensure that documents were not destroyed or withheld from us unlawfully in the Access to Information process." "Finally, we are joining with François Beaudoin, the former President of the Business Development Bank, in calling again for a public inquiry. All the documents involved in this case must come to light." - -30- For more information, please contact: Renée Fairweather (613) 996-9733 Copyright © 2000 Canadian Alliance - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:54:05 -0600 From: "B. Boswell" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #718 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: [chat] legal challenges and RFC leadership foot-dragging Ted Morton has all the details and has been waiting for the go-ahead from all the RFC groups to proceed. He has been waiting since Nov. 99. Why the RFC leadership are foot-dragging on these initiatives is anyone's guess... Jim in my view the foot dragging is being done simply because we don't have the money to see the thing through. $ 40k for an injuction and then how much to actually take this to court. we win a lower court decision and the feds just keep appealing until we end up in the supreme court. The only people who will win in this scenario are the lawyers unfortunately. Until all the hunters in this country get their act together and join an organization the money will never be raised. I belong to the BCWF and we have a membership of approx. 30k. There are over 97k hunting licenses sold in this province I would assume the major majority of those have a fire arm. What organization do they belong to. Looking at the memberships of other groups in BC I would suggest that most of the missing 60k plus hunters don't belong to any organization. In effect they are just freeloading and we all should work at getting anyone we know to join one of the organization. I am sure that the situation in BC regarding number of hunter versus number of members in the provincial wildlife organizations is indicative of the situation throughout this country with he exception of Que. If we could get just on loonie off of every hunter in this country we then would have enough funding to start a legal action. Money from the shooting community would be a bonus. If my memory is correct the Alberta Fish and Game assoc. spent something over $100k in our last court action just as an intervener,. Fortunately they received some financial assistance from other associations, but I believe they may still have a debt from that action. We keep preaching to those of us on this list and that's ok but lets get off our butts and increase the membership in the organizations that we belong to. Ask ourselves this question- how many new member to my club have I recruited. When all of our little organizations become financially sound them and only then can we look at sharing the cost of a long legal action. Bob Boswell Duncan BC - --------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:56:50 -0600 From: Roger Walker Subject: Caution, Please Over the last couple of weeks I have seen some interesting developments with regard to the Billboard Project. It started, as I recall, as an offhand remark and grew into a landslide of support. The NFA has set itself up to spearhead the project. The ball is rolling (and increasing in size). (Since I've always gotten the NFA answering service when I called, I've just now printed off the PDF document and will be sending in my contribution in tomorrow's mail.) However, I have also seen a very serious downside. I've seen far too many posts that seem to have been in such haste that they have criticized someone for something they didn't do. I was caught in it myself. Yet all that any of us had to do was to carefully read what we were responding to. I've had some public and private email exchanges with people on the list over this issue. I can't believe I'm the only one who actually read the posts before contributing something to the discussion, yet it is clear that far too many people have missed some key points... With rare exception, everyone supported the project, whether to say that they agreed with it, or to contribute a variety of ideas. Even in responses to my own posts I have noticed that some people did not get the point I was trying to make - perhaps it is my fault for not being clear, but I wonder if it wasn't also that people got fixed on some concepts to the exclusion of others. It was pointed out by at least two people, in a positive way, that we give thorough consideration to letting the messages stand on their own merit, without reference to the fact that they are directly sponsored by the firearms community. The reason is simple. If you say "black", he says "white". In other words, the messages would have more effect if they make a cause for someone else as their own cause, one that just happens to be coincident with our own. Though I do not advocate making it a secret who sponsors the billboards, I know that if it is flaunted, there are many people who will ignore the message because of the messenger. It's like the government - it doesn't make sense, but it's a fact. If we get the support, it's still a victory. (But just like much of the other posts from people with ideas, it's still just that - an idea. It was never intended to be a slight against anyone - we're brainstorming, here.) In the same fashion, in this post I have not used anyone's names. Even if you know who I am referring to, the absence of names means that you can focus on the real problem (the message, not the messenger). I would now like to make a suggestion to the moderator: You have the power; please use it for the good of our community. I suggest that you have two options, either of which are fair. The first is to bounce - -ANY- message that is super-critical (flame) against another list member, whether to CHAT or back to the originator. The second is to simply delete the inflamatory text and allow the remainder to go through. My observation (not intended to be a criticism - I know it's a lot of work to moderate) is that too much has gotten through that should not have. The key is to be fair - remove or bounce it all. That way, the best of our efforts will shine through. I know there are many of us who have differing opinions (we are individuals, after all), but I expect that we have all made contributions to our collective cause. Let's focus on the positive things about each other and try to realize that we are (and should be) contributing to the effort rather than niggling over it, or our cause will be lost. - -- Roger Walker Voice/Fax 1-780-440-2685 "HIS Pain; YOUR Gain" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:58:34 -0600 From: "Ron McCutcheon" Subject: Bill Board Idea >Maybe another part of the background could include a SWAT- >style invasion of a farmhouse (complete with the Gothic couple >and their pitchfork). With the caption "Your Tax Dollars at Work!" Ron McCutcheon P. Eng ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:23:06 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Sabiston Richard said: >I have learnt that you can obtain the same transcript >from the Rural Transcript Management Office on a 3.5" >floppy. Ask for it in ASCII format. This will give you >the document in text format and allow for speedy >retransmissions, downloads, &c. Isn't that interesting!!!! I personally talked with the transcript office, have posted the Email address, etc. and was advised that it was ONLY available in hard copy form. Now, I did not specifically ask about anything on floppy's, but did inquire about it being available/unavailable online. There is a very serious lesson in this exercise for all. Not being an 'expert' in these matters I have to wonder if the disc formatted transcript was already in the RFC's possession, all along? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:25:05 -0600 From: "Ron McCutcheon" Subject: Billboards >To maximize our dollars, I would suggest that we be very selective where we >place our billboards. WE MAY NOT NEED ANY BILLBOARDS WHERE CANADIAN >ALLIANCE MP'S HAVE BEEN ELECTED, unless we fear they may not be re-elected. And we need to especially target ridings where Liberals were elected by slim margins. This is what Shad did in Ontario to get the spring bear hunt banned. Ron McCutcheon P. Eng ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:33:07 -0600 From: "Ron McCutcheon" Subject: PAPER GUN CASE THROWN OUT > A Superior Court judge in New Jersey yesterday threw out a case against >two 8-year-old boys charged with making a dangerous threat by pointing a paper >gun at classmates. A friend of mine has a son in Grade 9 at a school in Toronto. Said son was severly reprimanded for pointing his FINGER at the TV screen during a movie shown in class. Ron McCutcheon P. Eng ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:46:35 -0600 From: "Walter Hornby" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #717 I have a copy of the federal guidelines and there is no requirements for side berms. Walter Hornby That bill requires firing ranges to have berms six metres high behind targets and four metres on the sides. Currently the clubs have berms behind the targets which are slightly more than five metres in height, but none on the sides. The owners plan to exceed the guideline and make end and side berms close to seven metres tall. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:25:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: U.S. - Regulate Gun Owners or Regulate Gun Industry? http://www.jointogether.org/gv/default.jtml?O=266987 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:25:39 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?LES_AUTOCHTONES_BOYCOTTENT_LE_REGISTRE_DES_ARME?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?S_=C0_FEU?= COMMUNIQUÉ DE PRESSE Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Le 11 avril 2001 Pour diffusion immédiate PRESQUE TOUS LES AUTOCHTONES BOYCOTTENT LE REGISTRE DES ARMES À FEU « La situation est bien plus grave que la ministre de la Justice n'est prête à l'avouer au public ou au Parlement. » Yorkton - Aujourd'hui, Garry Breitkreuz, député de Yorkton-Melville, a divulgué d'autres faits démontrant la faillite phénoménale du controversé registre des armes à feu du gouvernement. « Les données fournies par le gouvernement montrent que presque tous les Autochtones du pays ont boycotté son registre des armes à feu », a déclaré le député. « À la lumière de l'ensemble des données que le ministère de la Justice a accepté de dévoiler jusqu'à maintenant, le ministère de la Justice n'aurait délivré que 2 779 permis d'armes à feu à des Autochtones au cours des deux dernières années, ce qui représente un taux d'infraction consternant, même si on se base sur le nombre, fortement sous-évalué par le gouvernement, de propriétaires d'armes à feu que compte le Canada! » « D'après les statistiques les plus crédibles que le gouvernement ait publiées, j'estime que de 51 000 à 72 000 ménages autochtones possèdent au moins une arme à feu. Même en supposant que les 2 779 Autochtones qui ont un permis d'armes à feu appartiennent à 2 779 foyers différents, cela signifie qu'environ cinq pour cent des propriétaires d'armes autochtones se plieraient aux exigences du gouvernement en matière d'enregistrement. » Le député base son estimation sur des données de recensement de Statistique Canada qui montrent qu'au Canada, il y a plus de 500 000 Autochtones de plus de 15 ans, qu'il y a environ 300 000 ménages autochtones et que douze études du ministère de la Justice montrent que de 17 à 24 % des ménages canadiens possèdent au moins une arme à feu. En décembre et janvier derniers, des journaux ont rapporté des propos de défi tenus par des Autochtones des nations mohawk de Kahnawake, Kanesatake et Akwesasne, au Québec, et de Tyendinaga, en Ontario. Le 10 janvier 2001, le journal The Gazette de Montréal citait ainsi un chef autochtone : « Les nouvelles lois sur les armes à feu sont nulles et sans effet dans les territoires mohawk » [traduction libre]. Aiguillonné par cette désinvolture à l'égard du Code criminel du Canada, le député Breitkreuz a présenté un certain nombre de demandes d'accès à l'information (AAI). À la première, le ministère de la Justice a répondu, le 5 février, qu'il n'avait aucune donnée sur le nombre de permis d'armes à feu délivrés à des Autochtones au Canada. Le député de la Saskatchewan a alors présenté une autre demande, sachant pertinemment que seuls les Autochtones et les chasseurs de subsistance peuvent obtenir des permis d'armes à feu gratuitement. Dans sa réponse du 30 mars 2001, le ministère a fait savoir qu'un « GRAND TOTAL » de 2 779 « permis ont été délivrés sans frais »[traduction libre]. (Voir, ci-joint, la réponse à la demande d'AAI.) De plus, le tableau fourni par le ministère ventilait par province le nombre de permis délivrés à des Autochtones et à des chasseurs de subsistance. Le document montre bien que dans l'Ouest, le nombre d'Autochtones qui respectent la loi est vraiment pitoyable : en tout, 73 permis ont été délivrés en Colombie-Britannique, 92 en Alberta, 111 en Saskatchewan et 87 au Manitoba. « Ces résultats sont tout à fait risibles quand on sait combien d'Autochtones possèdent des armes à feu dans chacune de ces provinces », a déclaré M. Breitkreuz. « Ils mettent en évidence un mépris complet du régime chez les Autochtones. » « Pas surprenant que des représentants du Centre canadien des armes à feu (CCAF) ait eu des pourparlers secrets avec l'Assemblée des premières nations (APN) en janvier. » Le député a demandé une enquête policière sur des infractions au Code criminel qui ont pu être perpétrées au cours ou à la suite de ces entretiens. Le Commissaire de la GRC a conseillé à M. Breitkreuz de communiquer les documents qu'il a reçus au sujet de ces rencontres secrètes aux services de police municipale d'Edmonton, de Saskatoon et d'Ottawa pour qu'ils approfondissent l'enquête. « La semaine dernière, on a répondu à ma demande d'AAI concernant les procès-verbaux et les résultats de la rencontre de deux jours d'Edmonton. J'ai reçu onze pages de notes manuscrites. Le directeur général du CCAF, Maryantonett Flumian, le chef adjoint de l'Assemblée des premières nations, Bill Erasmus, et un certain nombre de représentants des deux organismes ont eu des entretiens pendant deux jours, et on espère me faire croire qu'il n'en est rien ressorti d'autre que onze pages de notes manuscrites? La situation est bien plus grave que la ministre de la Justice n'est prête à l'avouer au public. » - - 30 - FIREARMS LICENCES ISSUED WITH NO PAYMENT MADE From: Dec 1, 1998 To: Jan 1, 2001 LICENCE PROV TOTAL TYPE ACQLIC AB 53 ACQLIC BC 22 ACQLIC MB 64 ACQLIC NB 4 ACQLIC NF 8 ACQLIC NS 3 ACQLIC NT 1460 ACQLIC ON 204 ACQLIC QC 395 ACQLIC SK 51 ACQLIC YT 13 TOTAL POSS. & ACQ. LICENCES 2,277 POSLIC AB 39 POSLIC BC 51 POSLIC MB 23 POSLIC NB 8 POSLIC NF 28 POSLIC NS 15 POSLIC NT 147 POSLIC ON 96 POSLICE PE 1 POSLIC QC 31 POSLIC SK 60 POSLIC YT 3 TOTAL POSS. ONLY. LICENCES 502 GRAND TOTAL: 2,779 Department of Justice Access to Information File: A-2000-0243/jo March 30, 2001 Note: Fees for firearms licencing and registration are waived for Aboriginals involved in Traditional Hunting Practices and for Sustenance Hunters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:25:25 -0600 From: "jan bell" Subject: Re: [chat] Re: Alberta cops holster opposition to gun law Besides your good points, Jim: If we take a realistic figure of the total number of owners -- around 5 million, as Gary Mauser estimates -- then applications for PALs should be arriving by the tens of thousands, not just hundreds, per day before Austin starts crowing about success -- that is, if all those unlicenced owners are to get in under the "amnesty" deadline of June 30. Only 55 working days remain. The compliance rate is not 87%; it is less than 40%. As for the culpability of unlicenced owners, my guess is that the government is willing to turn a blind eye to their now seeking licences to legitimize their hidden guns. The government has neither the stomach nor the resources to get tough with several hundred thousand people. Addled Annie and her CFC wonks will happily accept more numbers -- no matter how achieved -- in their efforts to keep the C-68 Titanic afloat. We need to keep shooting at the CFC's absurdly low estimate of owners, and spread the truth that the firearms program is a failure. The Fed-Lib government, with its media branch plants, CBC, CTV, and the Globe & Mail, is holding sway. At present, the general public seems to believe the lie. Cheers, Murray - ---------- > From: Jim Powlesland > To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca > Cc: cdn-firearms-chat@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca; BreitG0@parl.gc.ca > Subject: [chat] Re: Alberta cops holster opposition to gun law > Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 1:37 PM > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" wrote: > Austin said more than two million gun owners have either applied or > received their owners' licences and ``hundreds of applications'' > continue to arrive at processing centres every day. I wonder how many of these "hundreds" of new PAL applicants are currently in posssession of a firearm and hence in violation of the Firearms Act? Since Austin doesn't mentioned that they are prosecuting these late applicants, does this mean some sort of unofficial amnesty for unlicensed gun owners been declared by the CFC? Or, does Austin mean that mean that "hundreds" of NEW future gun owners are joining our ranks EVERY DAY? end of message ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:25:33 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: ABORIGINALS BOYCOTT GUN REGISTRY http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/Guncontrol38.htm NEWS RELEASE April 11, 2001 For Immediate Release NEAR TOTAL BOYCOTT OF GUN REGISTRY BY ABORIGINALS "This is a lot bigger problem than the Justice Minister is willing to admit in public or in Parliament." Yorkton - Today, Garry Breitkreuz, MP for Yorkton-Melville, released more evidence of the phenomenal failure of the government's controversial gun registry. "The information provided by the government shows that there has been almost a total boycott of the gun registry by Aboriginal people in Canada," stated Breitkreuz. "Based on all the data the Justice Department has been willing to release so far, over the last two years, it would appear that only 2,779 Aboriginal people have received a firearms licence from the Department of Justice. "Even using the government's understated statistics on the number of gun owners in Canada, this is a horrendous rate of non-compliance!" "Using the best government data available to the public, I estimate that between 51,000 and 72,000 aboriginal households possess at least one firearm. Even if each one of these Aboriginal people with a firearm licence live in 2,779 separate households this would mean a compliance rate for Aboriginal firearms owners of about five percent." Breitkreuz based his estimates on Statistics Canada census data that shows there are more than 500,000 Aboriginal people over the age of 15, approximately 300,000 Aboriginal households and twelve Department of Justice studies that say that between 17% and 24% of Canadian households own at least one firearm. In December and January, some newspapers reported defiant statements by Aboriginal people living in the Mohawk Nations of Kahnawake, Kanesatake and Akwesasne in Quebec and the Tyendinaga in Ontario. On January 10, 2001, the Montreal Gazette quoted one Mohawk leader; "The new firearms law would have no force and effect within Mohawk Territory." This public defiance of the Criminal Code of Canada prompted Breitkreuz to file a number Access to Information (ATI) requests. The Department of Justice responded to his first request on February 5th saying they had no documents on the number of firearms licences issued to Aboriginals in Canada. The Saskatchewan MP filed another ATI request knowing that only Aboriginal people and sustenance hunters can get a firearms licence without paying a fee. The department's response dated March 30, 2001 reported that a "GRAND TOTAL" of 2,779 "Licences issued with no payment made." (See ATI response attached) The government spreadsheet also provided a provincial breakdown of the number of Aboriginal/Sustenance hunter licences issued. The Justice document shows that compliance in the west by Aboriginals was truly pathetic: Only 73 licences issued in BC; Only 92 licences issued in Alberta; Only 111 licences issued in Saskatchewan; and Only 87 licences issued in Manitoba. "These results are truly laughable considering the number of Aboriginal firearms owners there are in each of those provinces," commented Breitkreuz. "It shows a complete disdain for the gun registry by Aboriginals." "No wonder the Canadian Firearms Centre (CFC) was holding secret meetings with the Assembly of First Nations (AFN) in January." Breitkreuz called for a police investigation into possible Criminal Code offences that occurred during or as a result of these CFC/AFN meetings. The Commissioner of the RCMP directed Breitkreuz to refer the documents he received concerning these secret meetings to the city police in Edmonton, Saskatoon and Ottawa for further investigation. "Last week, I received a response to my ATI request, for minutes and results of the two-day Edmonton meeting. I received eleven pages of handwritten notes. This was a two-day meeting between the Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Firearms Centre, Maryantonett Flumian and Vice-Chief of the Assembly of First Nations, Bill Erasmus and a number of officials from each organization. Do they expect me to believe that eleven pages of handwritten notes was all the documentation that resulted from a two-day meeting between these hi-level bureaucrats? This is a lot bigger problem than the Justice Minister is willing to admit in public." FIREARMS LICENCES ISSUED WITH NO PAYMENT MADE From: Dec 1, 1998 To: Jan 1, 2001 LICENCE PROV TOTAL TYPE ACQLIC AB 53 ACQLIC BC 22 ACQLIC MB 64 ACQLIC NB 4 ACQLIC NF 8 ACQLIC NS 3 ACQLIC NT 1460 ACQLIC ON 204 ACQLIC QC 395 ACQLIC SK 51 ACQLIC YT 13 TOTAL POSS. & ACQ. LICENCES 2,277 POSLIC AB 39 POSLIC BC 51 POSLIC MB 23 POSLIC NB 8 POSLIC NF 28 POSLIC NS 15 POSLIC NT 147 POSLIC ON 96 POSLICE PE 1 POSLIC QC 31 POSLIC SK 60 POSLIC YT 3 TOTAL POSS. ONLY. 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