From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 11 April, 2001 20:11 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #720 Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 03 : Number 720 In this issue: Magnetic signs Great Quote Re: [chat] Licensing Amensty Internet petition to save Hunting and Fishing Fwd: APPLICATION FOR A LICENCE UNDER THE FIREARMS ACT (POL) COLLECTOR GUNS FOR FED COMPENSATION Young pellet gun carrier creates River Glade scare Adult facing firearms charges Gunshop owner shoots two robbers MAN GETS 6 MONTHS IN PAL'S DEATH E-Mail Rubber bullets, pepper spray fail to subdue suspect ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:29:13 -0600 From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca (Michael Ackermann) Subject: Magnetic signs A local sign shop tells me the price for standard sized magnetic plastic signs for the sides of cars is $90.00/pair for plain text. More for complicated graphics or formatting.

I'm going to order two pair. My messages will read:

They lied about the GST.
They lied about tax relief.
They lied about Shawinigate.
They lie as a matter of routine
WHY BELIEVE THEM ABOUT
THE FIREARMS ACT?

and

$1 BILLION can buy:
The Confederation Bridge, or
30,000 police or nurse work-years, or
1000 CT scanners, or
One Bill C-68 (the Firearms registry)
Hope this helps.
 
 
------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:54:12 -0600 From: "The Penney's" Subject: Great Quote Came across this quote that really gives insight into the criminal mind. If anyone doesn't know, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano was John "The Teflon Don" Gotti's chief lieutenant and principal enforcer (read: hitman). Gotti, is the former Capo of the Gambino Crime Family (New York), and he was convicted mainly on the testimony of Gravano. Sammy, the stand-up guy that he is, turned state's evidence and later entered the Witness Protection Program. He left the WPP a couple of years ago to promote his book. Last year he was arrested for running a Crystal Meth distribution network in the Mid-West. Regards, Sean "Gun control? It's the best thing you can do for crooks and gangsters. I want you to have nothing. If I'm a bad guy, I'm always gonna have a gun. Safety locks? You will pull the trigger with a lock on, and I'll pull the trigger. We'll see who wins." Mafia informant Sammy "the Bull" Gravano. Interview in Vanity Fair magazine, August 1999. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:05:07 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: [chat] Licensing Amensty On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Jim Powlesland wrote: > Since Austin doesn't mentioned that they are prosecuting these late > applicants, does this mean some sort of unofficial amnesty for > unlicensed gun owners been declared by the CFC? Oops. Ignore my previous post. I have been informed that the feds have indeed declared an amensty: "...(CFC) is currently facing a backlog of more than a million licensing applications and has been forced to declare a six-month grace period during the first half of 2001 for owners before they may be charged for not having a firearms licence." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:58:14 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Internet petition to save Hunting and Fishing Organization: Calgary Community Network Assoc. "Ancient Principles and New Alliances are needed to save Hunting and Fishing Petition to BC government" Take a look at this petition and if you agree with the sentiments, complete it and pass it along to your friends. http://www.petitiononline.com/Outdoors/petition.html **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:27:12 -0600 From: "Calvin Martin, QC" Subject: Fwd: APPLICATION FOR A LICENCE UNDER THE FIREARMS ACT (POL) >Subject: APPLICATION FOR A LICENCE UNDER THE FIREARMS ACT (POL) >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:50:05 -0400 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > >Hello Cal: > >Further to our recent telephone conversation regarding concerns about my >missing application. > >On October 6, 2000 at the Le Baron's Outdoor Products Store located 8365 >Woodbine Avenue, Town of Markham, York Region. Mr. James Steele agent >acting on behalf of the Canadian Firearms Centre filled out the >applicarion, Part A; Personal Information, Part B; Classes of Firearms >Currently Owned, Part C; Photo Guarantor, Part D; Personal History, >Part E; Fee, I signed and dated Part F; Applicant Declaration. >My photo was taken by Polariod Camera by Mr. James Steele, the photo was >signed on the back and dated by Mr. James Steele guarantor. > >At the time I did not have a cheque nor did I want to use my VISA. Mr >James Steele provided a pre-addressed envelope and I left the store with >the application, photo and the envelope. > >On October 10, 2000 I had a CIBC bank money order drawn at the CIBC >Branch # 02432 Highway 48 and 16th., Avenue, Markham Ontario made payable >to the Receiver General for the sum of $10.00. I decided to take a >photocopy of the completed application as the application was only one >page and a second carbon copy was not part of the application. I then >placed the original application, my photo and the $10.00 CIBC bank money >order and sealed it. I also placed my residence return address top left >hand corner of the pre-addressed envelope sealed it and off to the Main >Post Office, Main Street, Markham, Ontario. I had the postal clerk check >the weight and paid $.47 for the stamp. Stamp applied the postal clerk >placed it into the out box behind him and I left the post office. > >On Friday February 2, 2001 concerned after four months of not receiving my >licence I called the Canadian Firearms Centre 1-800-731-4000 and made a >inquiry about my application, the response, it was not listed on the >computer. I continued to inquire a number of times until February 16, >2001. Speaking to a clerk named Marla I suggested faxing my completed >application and photocopy of the CIBC bank money order to Marla's >attention Dept., EH at fax # 1-800-411-0622. Marla suggested I check >with the bank to see if the money order was cashed. I followed up with the >CIBC and the money order was still outstanding and not cashed. > >On February 20, 2001 I callled regarding my application and was instructed >to call Roseanne at 1 800-731-4000 ext. 2509 as she had the file. Roseanne >received my faxed application and photocopy of the CIBC bank money order >and was checking the computer for my application. Once again it did not >show up. I checked with the bank and the money order was not cashed. > >On March 14, 2001 I called Roseanne and my application it did not show up. >Roseanne suggested I cancel the money order and have a new money order >re-issued. To fill out another application, have a photo taken and have a >guarantor sign it, and sent it to her attention for processing. I declined >her suggestion. The issue, my completed Application for a Licence Under >the Firearms Act(POL) with my personal information, photo and money order >is missing. > >CONCERNS: > >1. Having made a copy of my application is proof that I filed prior to the >December 31, 2000 deadline according to the legislation. If I did not have >a photocopy nor a bank money order issued I wouldn't have any proof of >filing and could be subject to charges and penalty under the act. > >2. Pre-addressed envelope insured the destination of the application. > >3. The application missing with personal and confidential information now >becomes a security issue putting my family and myself at risk should >anyone wish to acquire non and restricted firearms the location is listed >on the application. > >4. Did all employees at the Canadian Firearms Centre receive RCMP security >clearance prior to employment to insure the security of firearms owners? > >5. Did the government consider security issues for gun owners through the >process of registration using the postal system, considering the >possibility of potential criminal activity to acquire firearms from >law abiding citizens? > >I beleive the government did not take into consideration the overall >security issues. From my prospective the registration of fireams has put >gun owners and families at risk Without question the entire Canadian >society. In my case I have proof of rergistration. How many others out >there who registered without making a photocopy can prove registration? > >Cal, I would appreciate it if you could inform gun owners about this >extremely serious matter. > >Kindest regards, > >Al Rubin. > Calvin Martin, QC, 600 Church Street, Toronto, Ontario, M4Y 2E7 Tel 416 922-5854 Fax 416 944-0285 Email dvc14@fox.nstn.ca http://www.calvinmartinqc.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:52:37 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: COLLECTOR GUNS FOR FED COMPENSATION PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2001.04.11 SECTION: News PAGE: 22 SOURCE: Calgary Sun BYLINE: Kevin Martin - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- COLLECTOR GUNS FOR FED COMPENSATION - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- A collector whose move from Ontario to Calgary was interrupted by an illegal search of his family bus has sued the federal government. David Lind said yesterday he was thrown in jail April 22 while police in Swift Current, Sask., ignored his claims his weapons were properly registered and being legally transported. And his wife said she was subjected to a search by two male officers who hiked her shirt around her neck to make sure she wasn't concealing any weapons. Lind, who has since moved to Bragg Creek, said he was moving from Kenora, Ont., to Calgary when he stopped to ask police for directions to a gas station. But instead of helping out, he said the officers placed him under arrest, seized the school bus his family was using to move west and hauled him off to jail. "The said, 'Are you Dave Lind?' and I heard one guy say, 'This is the guy we're looking for,' " said Lind about the incident. "The next think I know I was handcuffed." A provincial court judge ruled in November that police had neither authority nor just cause to stop Lind, whose weapons were properly registered. He and his family are seeking $66,000 in general damages from the federal government. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:52:31 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Young pellet gun carrier creates River Glade scare PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2001.04.11 SECTION: Moncton PAGE: A3 SOURCE: Times & Transcript Staff BYLINE: LEE OLIVER PHOTO: Sylvie Robichaud/ Times & Transcript ILLUSTRATION: RCMP members make their way along Homestead Road in River Glade with a police dog last night searching for someone who had been reported discharging a firearm. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Young pellet gun carrier creates River Glade scare; Innocent 14-year-old carrying pellet down village road causes two-hour havoc - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Any boy who has ever owned a pellet knows the parental (OK, maternal, really) warning that comes with Daisy firepower: "If you're not careful you'll put your eye out!" Today, odds are, a mother in the hamlet of River Glade, 30 kilometres (18 miles) west of Moncton, is telling her 14-year-old son (and pellet owner), "If you're not careful, you'll put out seven RCMP cruisers, a Times & Transcript reporter and photographer, and a camera team from the Saint John office of Global News!" And that warning, albeit wordy, will ricochet true. A little after 6 o'clock last night, the RCMP received an emergency call reporting a lone gunman wandering the streets of River Glade. He was carrying a rifle ... or maybe a shotgun. He was drawing down on people... He had blown a hole in the wall of the local church... He was definitely, definitely menacing. Police responded to the complaint in rapid order -- as one would expect on any call. Within minutes, members from the Irishtown, Petitcodiac, Riverview and Hillsborough detachments converged on the scene. River Glade Road, from Highway 106 all the way back to Scott Road, was blocked off by police barricades. Officers searched the nearby train tracks, footpaths and woods. Police cars cruised up and down the neighbouring routes looking for a 130-pound man wearing a blue plaid jacket and dark-colored toque. Oh yes, and carrying a . All the while, locals who couldn't get home past the blockade gathered at the Ultramar and Irving gas stations to speculate. One mother at the Ultramar jokingly wondered aloud if her son had been out playing with his BB . We all laughed. Imagine all this police manpower and hardware to track down a BB . Hardee har har. Hey, isn't that the Moncton canine tracking team unloading over there? Here comes the dog. Wow! By 8 p.m., the trail was cold. The dogs couldn't catch the whiff of psychosis most gunmen exude. The officers had climbed over, under and around everything that looked like it needed climbing over, under or around. Cold, cold, cold. So the police opened up the streets, let the people go home, then started the long, dull job of canvassing door to door to see what the neighbours knew. The Times & Transcript reporter and photographer headed back to Moncton, chuckling quietly at the Global News SUV speeding towards the crime scene. Turns out they came all the way from Saint John -- the Moncton crew was doing a story in Bathurst. Right about then police cracked the case wide open. A 14-year-old boy told one of the canvassers that he had carried his pellet down the street around six o'clock. Gee, is all this about me? The boy's parents weren't home, but by golly, they'll get a phone call later. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:52:24 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Adult facing firearms charges PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2001.04.11 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: News PAGE: A1 / Front SOURCE: The Leader-Post - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Adult facing firearms charges: New accusations from last week's shootings - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- One boy is on bail, a second remains in custody and now an adult is facing charges stemming from a number of gunshots fired in northwest Regina last week. On Tuesday, Regina police issued a news release saying they had charged 33-year-old Sidney Swain with possession of a firearm knowing its possession is unauthorized and careless storage of a firearm. Swain, who was not kept in custody after the charges were laid Monday, is scheduled to make his first appearance on the offences in Regina Provincial Court on May 16. Meanwhile, two boys who allegedly used that firearm, a small-calibre rifle, returned to Youth Court on Tuesday. They face four counts of mischief endangering life. Neither boy can be identified under the Young Offenders Act. Judge Leslie Halliday ordered the 12-year-old accused released from custody and into the care of his foster parents, who attended court. Crown prosecutor Mitch Crumley did not oppose bail for the boy. Among the conditions of his release, the boy must report weekly to police, cannot be in possession of any or ammunition or explosive devices or be in any residence where those items are present, and must abstain from drugs and alcohol. He is to return to court April 24. The 14-year-old has not yet sought release. At the request of his lawyer, his bail hearing was put off to Thursday. On April 5, police were called to the area of Rochdale Boulevard and Courtney Street around 9 a.m. after four separate reports of shots fired. Officers cordoned off a large area of northwest Regina for more than six hours after confirming shots had struck a house and three moving vehicles, including an empty school bus. Regina police said the shots came from a residence on Blackwood Street. A Special Weapons and Tactics team entered the residence around 4 p.m., but found no one inside. Around the same time, two youths were arrested elsewhere. Police have not disclosed where the arrests took place. Following those arrests, the investigation then focused on the source of the firearm allegedly used in the incident. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:52:18 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gunshop owner shoots two robbers PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2001.04.11 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: News PAGE: B2 COLUMN: City Limits SOURCE: Vancouver Sun - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- City Limits - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- - - TORONTO -- Two men attempting to rob a gunshop were shot down with a shotgun by the store's proprietor. A third robber escaped with and ammunition. The two severely wounded men, both from Edmonton, were taken to hospital under police guard. - - The Park theatre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:52:44 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: MAN GETS 6 MONTHS IN PAL'S DEATH PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2001.04.11 SECTION: News PAGE: 19 SOURCE: Court Bureau BYLINE: Tony Blais KEYWORDS: Murder; Accident; Weapon; Court; Sentence; Edmonton - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- MAN GETS 6 MONTHS IN PAL'S DEATH - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- In another tragic example of why booze and guns don't mix, an Alberta man was jailed yesterday for six months for accidentally shooting his best friend to death. Eli Gerald Ladouceur, 41, pleaded guilty in Edmonton's provincial court to careless use of a firearm stemming from the Jan. 21, 2000, shooting death of Isadore Ratfat, 51, at a remote cabin 40 km north of Fort McMurray. Court heard that the two men, described as lifelong best friends, were unloading their hunting rifles about 1 a.m. after several hours of heavy drinking when a bullet from Ladouceur's discharged and hit and killed Ratfat. Judge Michael Allen called the circumstances "extremely tragic" and said Ladouceur had no intention of killing his friend and did all he could to save his life. "He was trying to unload the for safety reasons but unfortunately he was handling it in an impaired manner," said Allen. "Probably he will remember this incident for the rest of his life." Crown prosecutor Grant Nickless said the two friends had gone into Fort McMurray on Jan. 20 to buy some groceries, which included some Big Bear and Colt 45 malt liquor. The pair drank between 10 p.m. and midnight and then Ratfat decided to unload his .308-calibre hunting rifle, said Nickless, adding Ladouceur then decided to do the same with his .30-30 rifle. While Ratfat was doing a native dance around the cabin, a bullet discharged from Ladouceur's rifle and went into Ratfat's shoulder and out his chest, said Nickless. Ladouceur quickly left the cabin and found a Suncor grader operator in the area who called for help, however Ratfat was declared dead at the scene, he said. Police interviewed Ladouceur and took a breath sample from him which indicated his blood-alcohol level at the time of the shooting was between .20 and .22, said Nickless, adding Ratfat's blood-alcohol level was .333. Defence lawyer Robert Shaigec said Ladouceur was raised by his father, a hunter and fisherman by trade, and grew up working on a trapline. He also admitted that Ladouceur, who is now living on a reserve near Morinville, has an alcohol problem. Allen sentenced Ladouceur to six months in jail, placed him on 18 months' probation following his release and prohibited him from owning a firearm for three years. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:54:15 -0600 From: rbaker Subject: E-Mail Hello everyone. Marta and I are leaving for Canada this week end and my last possible time to read mail will be on thursday April 12. I will be disconnection my computer at that time and will inform all of you as to my new addr. in Canada. Thank you for your mail and iformative conversation to now. I have enjoyed it and appreciate your efforts. Stay well and Bon voyage..(canadian f (BUM TRAVEL) Marta and Rae Baker. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:10:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Rubber bullets, pepper spray fail to subdue suspect PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2001.04.11 EDITION: National SECTION: Canada PAGE: A10 BYLINE: Chris Eby SOURCE: National Post EDITION headline.); Police arrest man wielding samurai sword: Rubber - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Man wielding samurai sword arrested by police: Rubber bullets, pepper spray fail to subdue suspect (All but Toronto - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- bullets used (Toronto edition headline.) Nine banana-sized rubber bullets fired from a high-powered and five cans of pepper spray were not enough to subdue a Toronto area man who confronted police with a samurai sword and began swinging it wildly. Officers were able to arrest him only when he dropped the weapon, apparently having tired himself out. "He could have been shot if the tactical unit didn't get there that fast," said Constable Harry Tam, a spokesman for Peel Regional Police."We managed to put him in custody, but it could have been much worse." Const. Tam said he did not know what kept 30-year-old Ucal Ray Lauzon going, allowing him to withstand being hit by nine, six-inch rounds from an Arwen anti-riot and blasts of highly concentrated cayenne pepper. Mr. Lauzon, a native of Brampton, a suburb northwest of Toronto, stands 5-foot-7 and weighs 130 pounds. He suffered what police described as minor bruising and declined treatment at a hospital. The incident began around noon yesterday when Mr. Lauzon was at a friend's house and the two men got into an argument. The dispute ended when Mr. Lauzon removed the samurai sword, which has a 40-inch blade, from the wall and allegedly began threatening his friend with it. When he left the apartment on a bicycle, his friend called police. An officer on patrol spotted Mr. Lauzon and when he approached him, Mr. Lauzon allegedly began swinging the sword in a threatening way. When the officer pulled out his handgun, Mr. Lauzon fled on his bicycle. He was apprehended a second time by specially trained and heavily armed members of the Peel police tactical unit a short distance away. He has been charged with possession of a dangerous weapon and two counts of assault with a weapon. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #720 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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