From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 12 April, 2001 14:26 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #721 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 03 : Number 721 In this issue: Eastern Outfitters Ass.?? Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #719 Fw: NEWS - USA Report debunks flawed antigun stance Fw: NEWS - USA Report debunks flawed antigun stance Police kill former U.S. postal worker Medical Evidence: Gun Control Won't Solve Crime Caution,Please CILA Recommendation: A Wake Up Call from Jim Powlesland Globe and Mail press release from Ottawa Amnesty Re: CILA Recommendation: A Wake Up Call from Jim Powlesland CFC - On Target Volume # 16 Re: [chat] Licensing Amensty ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:54:12 -0600 From: "Paul Chicoine" <701506@ican.net> Subject: Eastern Outfitters Ass.?? Does anyone know if there are outfitter's associations in New Bruinswick Nova Scotia and Newfoundland If so do you have a url to any of these groups and could you please forward the information to my personal email Thanks a lot __________ Paul Chicoine (DSS) 0x3B0DB246 *Illegitimi non Carborundum* Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:54:01 -0700 From: "B. Boswell" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #719 From: "Walter Hornby" Subject: RE: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #717 I have a copy of the federal guidelines and there is no requirements for side berms. Walter Hornby Walter: I agree that the range layouts don't show side berms, however when you use the safety templates if your club or facility can not control access on any land where a shot "May" fall and most clubs don't have the necessary land mass then you have to take steps to prevent that from happening. Side berms in many cases do this. The earlier publication we had in BC from the CFO explained the reguirements much clearer. If you have a limited land base and don't control the land where overshoots "May Occur" then ground baffling and overhead baffles may be need. This is how I understand the Range regs are being interpreted in BC Bob Boswell Duncan. BC That bill requires firing ranges to have berms six metres high behind targets and four metres on the sides. Currently the clubs have berms behind the targets which are slightly more than five metres in height, but none on the sides. The owners plan to exceed the guideline and make end and side berms close to seven metres tall. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:11:06 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Fw: NEWS - USA Report debunks flawed antigun stance - ---------- > Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 15:47:30 > From: SSAA > To: ssaa-news@adelaide.on.net > Subject: NEWS - USA Report debunks flawed antigun stance > > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/4/6/184457.shtml > Medical Evidence: Gun Control Won't Solve Crime > Wes Vernon > Saturday, April 7, 2001 > > WASHINGTON - The gun control lobby has just received a stunning setback > in a new article appearing in the spring issue of the Medical Sentinel. > > Written by Miguel A. Faria, M.D., the study finds that most gun violence > studies of the past two decades are based on flawed methodology and > unduly influenced by political agendas, leading to biased and incorrect > conclusions. > > The Medical Sentinel, the official journal of the Association of > American Physicians and Surgeons, argues in effect that many of those > who conducted the studies decided in advance what they wanted to prove, > and then were "prejudiced" by that goal. Thus, Dr. > Faria argues, the studies were not objective at all. > > The doctor, who is editor in chief of the Sentinel, debunks a number of > incorrect, widely accepted claims "promoted by anti-gun interest groups > based on tainted studies." > > Faria's findings are that: > Women in particular are NOT in more danger if they carry or own guns. > The ease of access to or availability of guns is NOT the cause of crime. > > Mass killings would NOT be avoided if guns were not available. > And finally, gun violence is NOT the leading accidental cause of death > in children. > > The health establishment's stated objective in 1979, according to Faria, > was "total eradication of handguns in the United States," and the > follow-up studies were influenced by that objective. > > The doctor faults "those in public health with a proclivity toward the > promulgation of preordained research such as the gun and violence Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca > research conducted by many investigators with a gun control agenda and > disseminated in the medical journals." > > "Much of this information is tainted, result-oriented, and based on what > can only be characterized as poor science," he concluded. > -------------------------- > http://www.haciendapub.com/medsent.html > The Official Journal of the Association of American Physicians and > Surgeons (AAPS) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:10:59 -0600 From: "Mike Hargreaves" Subject: Fw: NEWS - USA Report debunks flawed antigun stance This is kind of interesting, Yes? Mike Hargreaves. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ - ----- Original Message ----- From: "SSAA" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: NEWS - USA Report debunks flawed antigun stance > http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/4/6/184457.shtml > Medical Evidence: Gun Control Won't Solve Crime > Wes Vernon > Saturday, April 7, 2001 > > WASHINGTON - The gun control lobby has just received a stunning setback > in a new article appearing in the spring issue of the Medical Sentinel. > > Written by Miguel A. Faria, M.D., the study finds that most gun violence > studies of the past two decades are based on flawed methodology and > unduly influenced by political agendas, leading to biased and incorrect > conclusions. > > The Medical Sentinel, the official journal of the Association of > American Physicians and Surgeons, argues in effect that many of those > who conducted the studies decided in advance what they wanted to prove, > and then were "prejudiced" by that goal. Thus, Dr. > Faria argues, the studies were not objective at all. > > The doctor, who is editor in chief of the Sentinel, debunks a number of > incorrect, widely accepted claims "promoted by anti-gun interest groups > based on tainted studies." > > Faria's findings are that: > Women in particular are NOT in more danger if they carry or own guns. > The ease of access to or availability of guns is NOT the cause of crime. > > Mass killings would NOT be avoided if guns were not available. > And finally, gun violence is NOT the leading accidental cause of death > in children. > > The health establishment's stated objective in 1979, according to Faria, > was "total eradication of handguns in the United States," and the > follow-up studies were influenced by that objective. > > The doctor faults "those in public health with a proclivity toward the > promulgation of preordained research such as the gun and violence > research conducted by many investigators with a gun control agenda and > disseminated in the medical journals." > > "Much of this information is tainted, result-oriented, and based on what > can only be characterized as poor science," he concluded. > -------------------------- > http://www.haciendapub.com/medsent.html > The Official Journal of the Association of American Physicians and > Surgeons (AAPS) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:34:49 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Police kill former U.S. postal worker PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2001.04.12 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: International PAGE: B8 SOURCE: Associated Press DATELINE: KEARNY, N.J. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Police kill former U.S. postal worker - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- KEARNY, N.J. (AP) -- A former postal worker who had complained to managers about a co-worker returned to his old workplace with a and two knives and stabbed three people before he was fatally shot by police. The three employees at the bulk transfer centre suffered minor injuries. Michael Teklai, 27, of Newark, who had been a temporary worker at the centre, quit March 5 following a personnel dispute, Hudson County authorities said. Teklai, an Ethiopian who immigrated to the United States in 1994, was armed with a .38-calibre handgun and the knives. He entered the lobby at about 6:30 p.m. Tuesday during a shift change, activating a metal detector, according to authorities and witness Mark Simth. ``Someone said, `He's got a ,' and everybody ran,'' Simth said. Teklai then attacked the three, who suffered minor stab wounds and cuts. Three Kearny police officers found Teklai in a locker room, stripped down to his underwear and covered in his blood, said Terrence Hull, a county prosecutor. Teklai had cut his left wrist with one of his two folding knives and was pointing his at the officers, Hull said. ``He approached the officers, and he was instructed to drop his weapons,'' Hull said. ``When he didn't, all three officers discharged their weapons.'' At least a dozen shots were fired. The man was pronounced dead at the scene. The injured workers were treated at hospitals and released. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:34:54 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Medical Evidence: Gun Control Won't Solve Crime NewsMax.com America's News Page http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/4/6/184457.shtml Medical Evidence: Gun Control Won't Solve Crime Wes Vernon Saturday, April 7, 2001 WASHINGTON - The gun control lobby has just received a stunning setback in a new article appearing in the spring issue of the Medical Sentinel. Written by Miguel A. Faria, M.D., the study finds that most gun violence studies of the past two decades are based on flawed methodology and unduly influenced by political agendas, leading to biased and incorrect conclusions. The Medical Sentinel, the official journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, argues in effect that many of those who conducted the studies decided in advance what they wanted to prove, and then were "prejudiced" by that goal. Thus, Dr. Faria argues, the studies were not objective at all. The doctor, who is editor in chief of the Sentinel, debunks a number of incorrect, widely accepted claims "promoted by anti-gun interest groups based on tainted studies." Faria's findings are that: Women in particular are NOT in more danger if they carry or own guns. The ease of access to or availability of guns is NOT the cause of crime. Mass killings would NOT be avoided if guns were not available. And finally, gun violence is NOT the leading accidental cause of death in children. The health establishment's stated objective in 1979, according to Faria, was "total eradication of handguns in the United States," and the follow-up studies were influenced by that objective. The doctor faults "those in public health with a proclivity toward the promulgation of preordained research such as the gun and violence research conducted by many investigators with a gun control agenda and disseminated in the medical journals." "Much of this information is tainted, result-oriented, and based on what can only be characterized as poor science," he concluded. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:34:34 -0600 From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Caution,Please >On Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:56:50 -0600 Roger Walker said >Subject: Caution,Please Roger Walker's comments are right on the mark. The Digest is not a venue for personal attacks, neither among listmembers nor against members of the government bureaucracy. I also urge the Moderator to immediately bounce or redirect inflamatory personal messages or personal attacks. The place for that is the Chat list, or just create a "Jerk's Bitch-off Digest", and redirect the personal put downs to the appropriate audience. Those who like that sort of entertainment can then have their own venal venue. The CFDigest should be reserved for the discussion of the gun law and legal means of changing it, at least that was the original intent. I'm not suggesting censorship, just send it somewhere else. Personal attacks and name calling not only demean the author, but more importantly the entire message, good points and bad, is discarded as a meaningless personal attack. These sort of "sandbox tactics" only serve to confirm the preconceived ideas the average Canadian has been told about gun owners by the media. Furthermore this sort of rude and childish behavior plays right into the hands of the opposition. I imagine that the folks at the criminal's just us deportment have a nice collection of Digest rants which they trot out to illustrate what kinds of people own guns and therefore why more gun control laws are needed. So please Mr. Moderator stop posting any personal trash to the list, bounce it back or somewhere else. Don't warn them just DO IT. When you let that stuff onto the Digest it lowers the value of everything we do. A number of people either quit or no longer contribute because they don't want their name associated with the personal trash on the Digest. If someone disagrees with the government deal with the position not the person. Any list member should know who is being discussed without personal identification or name calling. If we keep it simple and civil we will be taken seriously. Otherwise we will continue to be marginalized as borderline crazies needing more control. Many people read this list, it's supposed to represent responsible firearm owners. Mr. Moderator your decision should be real simple, if you wouldn't want your name tagged on to it as author then put it on another list or bounce it back. thanks, Lisa Simpson __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:34:41 -0600 From: Al Dorans Subject: CILA Recommendation: A Wake Up Call from Jim Powlesland CILA Defending Canada's Heritage ............................... Dear Firearms Owner, If you need a super motivator and a wake up jolt to get gun owners, anglers and outdoor enthusiasts supercharged to protect their sports, click on the petition at the bottom of the enclosed posting by Jim Powesland! Sign on and pass the message along to your friends. Many thanks to Jim for drawing this to our attention. This should be mandatory reading! Perhaps this program could be a central part of the Canadian Firearms Action Program, soon to be released. Professor Al Dorans Director of Operations, Ottawa Office Canadian Institute for Legislative Action / Institut Canadien pour l'Action Législative National Office: P.O.Box 44030, 600 Grandview St. S. Oshawa, ON. L1H 8P4 Ph: (905) 571-2150 Fax: (905) 436-7721 e-mail: teebee@sprint.ca Ottawa Office: 27 Cedar Grove Crt. Nepean, ON. K2G 0M4 Ph: (613) 828-8805 Fax: (613) 828-6967 e-mail: aldorans@magma.ca Home: http://www.cila.org A proud member of the World Forum on the Future of Sport Shooting Activities / Forum du Monde sur le Futur d'Activités des Sports des Armes à Feu .................................................................... ........ ....... Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:58:14 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Internet petition to save Hunting and Fishing Organization: Calgary Community Network Assoc. "Ancient Principles and New Alliances are needed to save Hunting and Fishing Petition to BC government" Take a look at this petition and if you agree with the sentiments, complete it and pass it along to your friends. http://www.petitiononline.com/Outdoors/petition.html .................................................................... ........ .......... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:01:19 -0600 From: Kerry Cazzorla Subject: Globe and Mail press release from Ottawa FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 8 April 2000 RE: THE GLOBE AND MAIL, 7 APRIL 2001 OTTAWA -- The Office of the Leader of the Opposition released the following statement today: Contrary to yesterday's story in the Globe and Mail, the Leader of the Opposition, Stockwell Day, was never introduced to the "agent" referred to in the Globe's story. Mr. Day said, "When I first read the Globe story, shortly before being interviewed on the matter, I mistakenly assumed that the individual in question may have been one of the many people that our Members of Parliament introduce me to on a daily basis. However, after talking with Mr. Stinson, Mr. Thompson, and my staff, and consulting my schedule, I can confirm that I was not introduced to him and have never met this person." During March, Mr. Day met with Mr. Stinson and Mr. Thompson to discuss research the individual may have been able to provide on such topics as organized crime, the drug trade, and biker gangs, consistent with Mr. Stinson and Thompson's special assignment on organized crime within the Canadian Alliance caucus. The individual in question was not present. Contrary to the Globe story, there was never any suggestion that this individual would investigate the Prime Minister or his Shawinigan business dealings. Mr. Day was never informed of any criminal charges that had been laid against this individual. On March 21, the individual met with Mr. Stinson, Mr. Thompson, and the Chief of Staff to the Leader of the Opposition, and they discussed the possibility of retaining this individual to conduct research on organized crime, but no offer of employment was made at this meeting. Subsequently, Mr. Stinson verbally offered this individual a temporary contract for a trial period, but no contract offer was ever formalized. When Mr. Day became aware of the individual's background due to the Globe and Mail article, he gave clear instructions that any further consideration being given to employing the individual should cease immediately. Contrary to the Globe and Mail story, the individual was never paid, and no money ever changed hands. The Official Opposition will demand a full retraction and apology from the Globe and Mail for their inaccurate story. - -30- For more information, please contact: Renée Fairweather (613) 996-9733 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:50:32 -0600 From: "Dave Rusnell" Subject: Amnesty "...(CFC) is currently facing a backlog of more than a million licensing applications and has been forced to declare a six-month grace period during the first half of 2001 for owners before they may be charged for not having a firearms license." Just a couple of points, This amnesty does not allow you to buy ammo. I have a good friend = currently without a license, and out of ammo. He phoned the CFC and = tried to get the girl on the line to give him some suggestion as to how = he can get ammo so he can go spring bear hunting. No dice. All she said = was to bad so sad, guess you don't go out this spring. Nice hey? The other thing is just speculation, and may have been touched on hear = before, but......... What happens when these dummies screw up on my buddies POL application, = and come to the conclusion that he is a bad guy and should not have a = license. Because he has applied for a POL they can not very well just = send him a letter stating "NO You can not have a license." can they? = They are in a position of having to show up at his home and confiscate = all of his (now) illegal firearms. After all he has stated that he has = firearms, and they have determined that he should not! At what point = should my friend and all the others waiting patiently for their POLs = become suspicious and start thinking about making their favorite = firearms disappear ? You have to think that the Feds will put off these = confiscations as long as possible, and then swoop down and catch as many = bad guys off guard as possible. Dave Rusnell. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:02:53 -0600 From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: CILA Recommendation: A Wake Up Call from Jim Powlesland : >CILA >Defending Canada's Heritage Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Only 165 signatures as of noon, Apr 12th >Take a look at this petition and if you agree with the sentiments, >complete it and pass it along to your friends. > >http://www.petitiononline.com/Outdoors/petition.html >................................................................... . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:24:44 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC - On Target Volume # 16 http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/safety&education/ontarget/ontar16_en.html Table of Contents RANGE INSPECTIONS HAVE POSITIVE RESULTS FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK FIREARMS SAFETY/HUNTER EDUCATION BIG IN SMALL PROVINCE WHEN LECTURING IS NOT SPECIAL BULLETIN FOR BUSINESS - No 28 AIRGUNS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:26:02 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: [chat] Licensing Amensty On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Brad Thorarinson wrote: > The amnesty is only for people who _had applied_ for a licence by > Dec. 31, 2000 (unless there are new amnesties which I have not heard > about). Thanks Brad. Looks like my interpretation was correct the first time. Here's the email I sent to the CFC asking for clarification. - -- To : canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca Cc : Attchmnt: Subject : late PAL applications - ----- Message Text ----- Dear Canadian Firearms Centre: In a recent newspaper article, David Austin, Deputy Director of Communications and Public Affairs at the Canadian Firearms Centre, was quoted as saying that the CFC has received over 2 million firearms license applications and contines to receive "hundreds of applications" every day. Since both FAC and POL applications are no longer valid, I assume the majority of these "hundreds" are PAL applications. In Part B of the PAL application form (888 E), you ask the applicant to indicate which class(es) of firearms they currently own or indicate "none". My questions are: 1) What percentage of the hundreds of PAL applications the CFC receives every day indicate "none"? 2) What percentage of the hundreds of PAL applications the CFC receives every day indicate one (or more) classes of firearms? 3) Are the PAL applicants who indicate that they are in possession of a firearm but do not have a firearms license committing an offense under the criminal code? (As I understand it, the current amnesty applies to ONLY those who did apply for a firearms license before the deadline of Dec. 31, 2000 and not to those who submit afterwards.) 4) Has the CFC declared an amnesty for late PAL applicants who indicate possessing non-restricted firearms but have no license? 5) And if not, are late PAL applications being referred to provinical firearms officers for further investigation and prosecution under the criminal code? Thanks for your attention to this matter. I await your reply. Yours sincerely, Jim Powlesland Calgary, Alberta - -- ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #721 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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