From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Monday, 23 April, 2001 08:49 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #734 Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, April 23 2001 Volume 03 : Number 734 In this issue: Re: Shall we fight RCMP HARASSMENT Lawyers Fees Editor's Comment (Registration isn't about crime Column: Your firearms sold to "moles..." Arming park wardens is a matter of safety and security Gun registry privatization nears reality Letter: U.S. gun laws defy common sense 7-ELEVEN CRIME SPREE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:03:24 -0600 From: "Paul Chicoine" <701506@ican.net> Subject: Re: Shall we fight of what madness doth Gordon speak, surely this man speaks in tongues as Beelzebub rules his common sense. Has he not heard our glorious and noble cause is to be defended by a magnificence so intense as to strike fear and loathing into the very being of our sworn enemy. Hallelujah brothers and sisters, a sign, a really big sign on a really big road, in a really big city is going to make it all really great. Or is this sign, this really big sign just too late and too useless and really just another fence to make us think something is being done? As in Quebec City, you don't beat the government by hitting them over the head with your sign. Many have thrown words some have thrown the chair then the table, didn't work; now You throw the book at them. __________ Paul Chicoine (DSS) 0x3B0DB246 *Illegitimi non Carborundum* Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:17:58 -0600 From: "jim davies" Subject: RCMP HARASSMENT Subject: Re: RCMP HARASSMENT >The following is a statement forwarded to me by the person involved... > If they couldn't harass law-abiding taxpayer, who could they bother? Certainly not criminals, er, clients. On a similar note: Noticed on the front page of the Enquirer while buying groceries, Rosie O'Porkchops fat crying face and a headline screaming that the "authorities" had taken her adopted daughter away from her. Condolences can be sent by way of the Lieberals womyns caucus... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:31:36 -0600 From: "Gordon Hitchen" Subject: Lawyers Fees I have little experience with lawyers rates. here in Edmonton a first class defence to a murder charge is 15 thousand dollars. My defence against unsafe storage was $500.00 and the same against the hearing for ritght to possess. The Lawyer you hire sets the charges - one must shop around if you are not in the loop to get the best for the least! About the same as the procedure for hiring a back alley mechanic. Suppose the NFA spends the 15 grand to bring the RCMP to trial for their actions against one of our best known members? Suppose we need to spend another 15 thousand to get a top notch lawyer to the next level. That is cheap - compared to sitting back and just letting the bastards bury us. In my gut I feel it is time to chuck the sign thing and come out fighting! The Eastern Government is betting we won't ! We need to go for it now - put out bids for top Lawyers in the Alberta Capital - the joe Doz group and Peter Royal come to mind , lawyers who stand toe to toe every day in the Alberta Courts and win more than they lose! lawyers who local Prosecuters fear like the plague. I think the opportunity has been given to us to up the ante! Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:33:36 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Les_autochtones_boycottent_le_registre_des_arme?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?s_=E0_feu_?= Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: Le Soleil DATE: 2001.04.20 SECTION: Sports PAGE: E28 COLUMN: Chasse et pêche BYLINE: Bellemare, André A. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Les autochtones boycottent le registre des armes à feu - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Un autre pépin s'abat sur le processus fédéral d'enregistrement des propriétaires d'armes à feu et de leurs fusils et carabines de chasse: les autochtones, qu'ils vivent ou non à l'intérieur de "réserves", boycottent le registre canadien des armes, alléguant que ce processus va à l'encontre de leur culture et de leurs traditions ancestrales. Dans des entrevues accordées à différents quotidiens du Canada ces derniers jours, des porte-parole de grands groupements autochtones ont rejeté l'idée qu'Ottawa impose maintenant aux aborigènes des obligations non contenues dans les traités signés jadis. C'est ce que soutient Rick Simon, vice-chef pour la région de l'Atlantique de l'Assemblée des premières nations. Dwight Dorey, président du Congrès des peuples aborigènes - qui regroupe quelque 800 000 autochtones et métis vivant hors des réserves au Canada - rappelle que l'assemblée générale annuelle de son groupe a adopté une résolution en 2000 pour que les dirigeants s'opposent officiellement à la Loi sur le contrôle des armes à feu. Rick Simon a souligné que le jour n'est pas bien loin qu'un aborigène s'adressera aux tribunaux pour faire invalider cette loi. Il reconnaît que pratiquement aucun aborigène ne respecte actuellement la loi quant à l'obligation de détenir un permis de possession d'armes à feu ni quant à celle de détenir des certificats pour les armes possédées. Il reproche au gouvernement de ne pas avoir consulté les autochtones avant d'adopter sa loi ni de s'être interrogé sur les conséquences que cette loi et les règlements en découlant pouvaient représenter pour le mode de vie des autochtones. Selon des données que le député allianciste Gary aux Communes d'Ottawa a réussi à obtenir du ministère fédéral de la Justice, seulement 2277 permis de possession d'armes à feu auraient été délivrés à des autochtones depuis deux ans - gratuitement... - dont... 395 au Québec! Durant la même période, seulement 502 permis de possession et d'acquisition d'armes à feu ont été délivrés à tous les autochtones du Canada... dont 31 au Québec ! AABellemare@lesoleil.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:33:43 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editor's Comment (Registration isn't about crime PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2001.04.23 SECTION: Editorial/opinion PAGE: 10 COLUMN: Letters to the editor - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- LETTERS TO THE EDITOR COLUMN - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- I AM a responsible firearms owner who was raised on a farm in southern Manitoba and passed my hunter safety training when I was 12. My father taught me to respect both wildlife and firearms. As a teen I was a member of the local rifle club and obtained various marksmanship badges. Each year I hunt deer, not for the trophy, but for the meat. I feel I am doing my part in helping the provincial natural resources department maintain sustainable stocks of healthy deer. I am also a law-abiding citizen and obtained my possession and acquisition licence in order to comply with Bill -<68> or else risk being charged with a criminal offence. As far as I can see this bill only places extra burdens on the responsible law-abiding firearms owners. Criminals aren't going to get licensed or register their weapons. Crime will still go on. Instead of spending millions of dollars on the firearms registry, why not give this money to police forces to help them go after criminals who commit firearms offences? Robert J. Dobson Editor's Comment (Registration isn't about crime, but it sure could be done more cheaply and leave money for that cause too.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:33:30 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: Your firearms sold to "moles..." Translation from French to English PUBLICATION: Le Soleil DATE: 2001.04.14 SECTION: Maximum sports PAGE: C10 COLUMN: Chasse et pêche BYLINE: Bellemare, André A. Your firearms sold to "moles..." During the debates on gun control in Canada, those opposed to the licensing of firearm owners and the registration of their hunting shotguns and rifles have repeatedly expressed their concerns that highly personal information could end up in the hands of criminals. Information revealed by the Montreal Urban Community Police Service (MUCPS) has rekindled this fear. An MUCPS detective sergeant was arrested on Thursday for having allegedly sold strategic police information to criminals. In recent years, several police officers in Quebec have been charged with taking confidential information from the computers of the Quebec Police Information Centre (QPIC) for the purpose of disseminating it to individuals who should not have access to it. Violations In March, Alliance MP Gary Breitkreuz revealed in the House of Commons the content of documents obtained under the Access to Information Act; namely that 156 undue violations of the computers at the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) were committed by RCMP officers, other police officers and public servants between 1995 and 2000. The RCMP is also investigating another 185 similar violations of these computers... Any police officer in Canada can access information contained in the CPIC computers, in particular, the names and addresses of all firearm owners (including hunting shotguns and rifles) and all the information pertaining to each registered firearm. Could a shady police officer sell this information to criminals who could then commit burglaries to amass an impressive arsenal? This is what hundreds of thousands of firearm owners who still refuse to obtain licences and register their firearms are claiming, despite the fact that anyone who did not apply for a licence by January 1, 2001 could face stiff fines or imprisonment. Privatization Anne McLellan, Justice Minister in Jean Chrétien's Liberal government, is doing nothing to attenuate the concerns of relentless opponents of gun control. At the beginning to the year, she sent calls for tender to a dozen companies, inviting them to submit proposals to take charge of licensing and registration system on behalf of the federal government. Privatization of this process has received strenuous opposition from all camps. McLellan maintained that Ottawa would be the "owner" of the confidential information compiled by the private company with respect to firearms in circulation in Canada and their owners. However, she could not guarantee that this information would not be stolen by a mole or end up in the hands of criminals. In Quebec, as your know, the government has also discovered moles at the Sûreté du Québec, the Motor Vehicle Bureau and the Quebec Department of Revenue. Some of the stolen information has ended up in the hands of criminals. It is for this reason that opponents of gun control are waiting until January 1, 2003, to register their firearms. They are hoping that, by that time, Ottawa will have had the good sense to drop its monumental and costly project to register every rifle and every shotgun in circulation. $600 million has already been sunk in this undertaking since 1995! AABellemare@lesoleil.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:33:57 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Arming park wardens is a matter of safety and security PUBLICATION: The Guardian (Charlottetown) DATE: 2001.04.23 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: Opinion PAGE: A7 BYLINE: Ed Cashman SOURCE: The Guardian (Charlottetown) ILLUSTRATION: Photo: (Photo depicts a handgun and a badge reading: "Park Warden.") - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Arming park wardens is a matter of safety and security: Islanders should take note as P.E.I. National Park activities begin - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- A rite of spring takes place this April 28, as Islanders participate in the annual `Dunes of Greenwich' hiking event at the Prince Edward Island National Park. Don't be surprised, however, if we see a new park entrance sign this busy spring season: `Caution. Proceed at your own risk'. Wildlife and disease aren't the problem. Rather, the danger comes from Ottawa. In a wrong-headed and dangerous decision, the Parks Canada Agency has refused to implement a federal directive and issue wardens with protective sidearms. The result has created a law enforcement vacuum in our 39 national parks. In the public's eye, wardens are often seen as a combination of tourist guide and wildlife manager. They are, in fact, peace officers, with the same powers as police. And for good reason. In this day and age, across Canada, their working lives are closer to Smokey and the Bandit than to Smokey The Bear. Some may think federal wardens are unlikely to face these dangers amidst the quiet beauty of P.E.I. National Park. Yet the park's windswept isolation and imposing dunes have often provided cover for both mischievous and criminal behaviour. And the Confederation Bridge has greatly increased access to those less respectful of Islanders' traditional way of life. When it comes to the potential for increased lawlessness in P.E.I. National Park, we should not (to twist a phrase) bury our heads in the sand dunes. A warden's work is challenging at the best of times. Increasingly, it is downright dangerous. Behind the scenery, wardens deal with `wild life' of a human variety -- the poachers, thieves, car-jackers, traffickers and muggers that find our National Parks attractive for their own special reasons. Recognition of this led the federal health and safety officials last February to order the Parks Canada Agency to either equip wardens to do their jobs or remove them from their enforcement duties. The directive in part read: ``Wardens who are expected to engage in law enforcement activities such as patrols, intelligence gathering, investigations or arrests -- activities in the performance of which they may find themselves at risk of grievous bodily harm or death -- are not provided with the necessary personal protective equipment.'' This decision was handed down only after a careful, seven-month study of the issue. The response of Parks Canada Agency management was anything but. Wardens have been ordered to withdraw from all enforcement activities. Visitors and staff must henceforth rely on RCMP or provincial police for assistance. We are frankly at a loss to understand the response of Parks Canada Agency management. Federal wardens are not asking for special treatment. Quite the opposite. Canada, thank heavens, is not a gun-toting society. Many wardens abhor . But regrettably, they are a necessity to protect both wildlife and visitors. Wardens face armed individuals. They have been assaulted. They constantly come in contact with people with criminal records. As for poachers, recently increased fines and prison terms have provided more incentive to avoid arrest. In all of North America, there are only two states or provinces where wardens do not carry sidearms. At the federal level, fisheries and coast guard officers carry them. In fact, a number of internal Parks Canada Agency studies have concluded that wardens who exercise law enforcement functions should have sidearms. So, why the resistance from Parks Canada senior management? The issue can't be per se. Wardens are now issued rifles as needed. Yet, rifles are far more dangerous when seizing evidence or during arrests. They are also difficult to manage on ski-doo, skis or horseback. However, unlike a rifle, a sidearm can be safely holstered out of sight when not needed. Those `on the ground' are distressed that Heritage Minister Sheila Copps seems to have been badly briefed by senior Parks Canada Agency management. She stated in the House of Commons she had ordered the Agency head to ensure peace officer duties are taken over by the RCMP. Wardens work with, and admire, the RCMP. Yet, anyone close to the Force knows they have both financial and manpower difficulties that are a barrier to effective park law enforcement. There is a great irony that, only six months ago, the government amended federal health and safety laws to ensure heightened protection and timely enforcement. In the case of wardens, both worthy goals are being sacrificed to fuzzy bureaucratic logic. The heritage minister has appealed the health and safety directive. She has that right. However, she is also ultimately responsible for ensuring the safety of both visitors and staff at Canada's National Parks. It is a responsibility she would be well advised to exercise, before tragedy overtakes common sense. Ed Cashman is president of the National Component of the Public Service Alliance of Canada, representing park wardens and other workers at the Parks Canada Agency. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:33:49 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun registry privatization nears reality PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2001.04.20 SECTION: Canada/World PAGE: A9 SOURCE: Times & Transcript Staff BYLINE: CAMPBELL MORRISON DATELINE: OTTAWA - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Gun registry privatization nears reality - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- The federal Department of Justice is within two weeks of completing its early evaluation of a plan to outsource the work at its Miramichi gun registry. David Austin, a spokesman for the Canadian Firearms Registry, said the government is in the final stages of consulting with private companies about ways they may help the government operate the facility that collects and maintains information on all gun owners and their firearms in the country. If the government is convinced that the private sector can help it maintain or gather the information more efficiently, then the next stage would be to establish a draft request for proposals that would eventually become a final request for proposals and start a bidding process, he said. In the meantime, the 400 employees currently at the registry will continue working on processing the licensing of firearms owners until the extended deadline of June 30 when all 2.3 million owners should have certificates. Then the final stages of registering firearms themselves kicks in and some or all of the employees could be asked to work on the firearms. They must all be registered with the centre by January 2003. The department's current exploration with the private sector concerns the long-term workload at the facility when it will process only new requests from people buying or selling firearms as opposed to the current situation when it is registering people who already own the weapons. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:48:42 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: U.S. gun laws defy common sense PUBLICATION: Montreal Gazette DATE: 2001.04.20 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: Editorial / Op-ed PAGE: B2 SOURCE: The Gazette - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- U.S. gun laws defy common sense - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- A police investigation in Pooler, Ga., into rumours of a school bomb plot (Gazette, April 13) resulted in the arrest of a 14-year-old whose bedroom closet contained two shotguns and three rifles. As though this in itself isn't shocking enough, minors can apparently own such under Georgia law. This begs the question: what kind of a country allows its children to possess such an arsenal of weapons? Putting aside any specious rhetoric the Americans might trumpet about the freedom to bear arms, this case seems to point to a gun law that was drafted with little common sense or good judgment. It's stories like this one that remind me how grateful I am to be Canadian, despite the winters. Robert Schryer Brossard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:48:48 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: 7-ELEVEN CRIME SPREE PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2001.04.23 SECTION: News PAGE: 22 KEYWORDS: Robbery; Weapon; Edmonton - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- 7-ELEVEN CRIME SPREE - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- A robber with a yen for convenience stores is believed responsible for six heists in two days, say police. The bandit threatened to pull a and demanded cash from the clerk at a 7-Eleven near 127 Street and 118 Avenue just before 5 a.m. yesterday, said cops. Police believe the same man swiped cash from the till and fled after asking for change at a 7-Eleven near 92 Avenue and Connors Road about an hour later. A bandit then pulled off the same crime at a 7-Eleven near 127 Street and 127 Avenue about 6:15 a.m. Three hours later, a man got away with cash from a 7-Eleven near 132 Avenue and 82 Street after threatening to pull a . The heists came a day after a 7-Eleven near 90 Street and 118 Avenue was held up by a knife-wielding man, around 5:20 a.m. Saturday. Just before 6 a.m. the same day, a 7-Eleven near 147 Avenue and 50 Street was robbed by a man claiming to have a . Meanwhile, police believe a robber who held up a Subway shop near 135 Avenue and Victoria Trail about 10 p.m. Saturday is also responsible for a heist at the Subway near 99 Street and 81 Avenue two hours later. 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