From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Tuesday, 24 April, 2001 17:40 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #740 Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, April 24 2001 Volume 03 : Number 740 In this issue: COMMENTS TO THE DIGEST Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #737 The Art of Peacemaking - The Gun Sculpture Should I worry? "HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH C-68" Problems in the CA Re: court fight on C-68 Column: ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ARE BOYCOTTING THE FIREARMS Simon calls HOw much did you lose HUmane society Ottawa C-15 Debate Rescheduled to Monday, April 30th Candidate Promises End To Ban On Grizzly Hunting Gun registry privatization nears reality RFC SING ALONG BC Marijuana party platform Alert: HACS in Coquitlam B.C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:20:44 -0600 From: "jwt@uwindsor.ca" Subject: COMMENTS TO THE DIGEST >From Barry on on earlier digest.... The question Mr. Schryer should be asking is "What kind of society allows its children to evolve to the point where they are capable of considering such terrible acts of violence?" Avoiding this question while focusing on things that are not themselves the inherent cause only serves to prolong and exacerbate the problem. Barry I cannot help but comment on your recent digest input re having a focus on why children would consider the violence instead of the focus on having guns. Your point is so simplistic, so obvious, so completely sensible....... yet they (the powers that be) cannot get it. If only we could get that message out there in a manner that people would listen.....Jim Thacker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:18:28 -0600 From: "jwt@uwindsor.ca" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #737 One of the other guys is cradling a double-barrel shotgun in his lap > with the action open. The third guy has a lever action rifle > leaning against a log, also with the action open. This is one of the first > ads that I have seen featuring firearms in a positive light. > We should be sending our comments to Elm Street magazine > (elmstreet@m-v-p.com) and Nabob (which, I think, is a division of > Kraft Foods). I agree we need to flood them with postive comments as I am sure they will get the other kind.... here is what i sent Elm St. Loved your ad. Thank you for having the courage to show how the great outdoors is a wonderful place and that hunting is a part of it. With the politically correct bent in our society, hunting seems to be taking a licking from many. Your ad was a refreshing change. thanks again. Jim Thacker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:56:11 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: The Art of Peacemaking - The Gun Sculpture The CANADIAN WAR MUSEUM 330 Sussex Drive Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0M8 Dr. John English, Chair of the Board of Trustees of the Canadian Museum of Civilization Corporation and Mr. Joe Geurts, Director and CEO of the Canadian War Museum and Dr. Victor Rabinovitch, President and CEO of the Canadian Museum of Civilization Corporation cordially invite you to attend the launch of the exhibition The Art of Peacemaking - The Gun Sculpture >From April 26 to June 24, 2001, the Canadian War Museum presents The Art of Peacemaking - The Gun Sculpture. The centrepiece of this installation features a massive sculpture, the size of a prison cell, made from 7,000 deactivated weapons gathered from all over the world. Machine guns, land mines, shells - they all have a story that evokes a powerful message of peace. Produced by i human 2000, Edmonton, Alberta. Thursday, April 26, 2001 - 12:30 PM Courtyard Canadian War Museum 330 Sussex Drive Ottawa, Ontario A light lunch will be served Parking available at the National Gallery of Canada R.S.V.P. by April 24, 2001 Tel: (819) 776-8628 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:13:12 -0600 From: "David Leskowski" Subject: Should I worry? I took the exam for the PAL, and the restricted weapons exam, then applied for the PAL. The application said that if the spouse did not sign the form, the Centre would call the spouse to alert her that hubby had applied for a gun license. My application had a signature, but last week (April, now, mind you, and the application went in back in December) someone from the Firearms Centre called my wife to advise her that I had applied for a license. They said there was some confusion about my location; they asked for a lot number, and fire number. I was the Canadian Alliance candidate during the last election, and am no stranger to the Digest. I have spoken at numerous rallies opposing the Registry. Does anyone out there think I have have anything in particular to worry about? I decided not to complain about the long time with no PAL and have acted accordingly. Should I have complained about the hindrance to my firearms purchasing habit? Thanks, David Leskowski david@pinehouse.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:04:06 -0600 From: "Dan Lupichuk Sask. Pres. NFA" Subject: "HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH C-68" Kathy closed her submission with "I know this doesn't have much to do with C-68" I disagree completely with that statement! It has everything to do with C-68. This FA specifically targets young people; is designed to discourage, misinform, place obstacles in their way, and generally try to keep them from becoming invovled in the shooting sports or organisations. What Kathy has described in her message is a very important step and she deserved the thanks and support of all firearms owners and firearms organisations for her accomplishments. Kathy if eighter NFA as an organisation or any of our members can be of any assistance to you in this please contact us. And on behalf of our organisations and all firearms owners THANK YOU for what you have started. Dan Lupichuk Sask. Pres. NFA P.S. please keep us informed how things go. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:06:12 -0600 From: "Paul Chicoine" <701506@ican.net> Subject: Problems in the CA Reports of potential mutiny within the CA caucus is a topic which is , for the most part, beyond our reach and influence. One comment attributed to Mr. Day however did capture my UNDIVIDED attention. If true, any member who questions Mr. Day's leadership will loose their "opposition critic" status. I do not know, nor am I asking where Mr. Breitkreuz stands on this issue. This is for Mr. Breitkreuz to deal with as he sees fit. However, I am certain the RFC and its many voters would take a very, very dim view of any political play which would hinder Mr. Breitkreus's unparalleled works in exposing the sham known as the Firearms Act. __________ Paul Chicoine (DSS) 0x3B0DB246 *Illegitimi non Carborundum* Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:09:02 -0600 From: "Robert Pogson" Subject: Re: court fight on C-68 "Ross" wrote: >Not only should we begin a fight on c-68 in court, One would think >that with 7 million firearms owners in Canada, and the significant >loss in >value that each owner has incurred as a result of C-68, a >class action >suit to recover some of this lost value would also hit >the feds where they >would feel it the most. With 21 million >firearms, lets say with each >suffering a loss of 100 dollars in >value at the introduction of C-68, that >would significantly hurt not >only the legislation but the feds in the >pocketbook. I am all for fighting C-68 in court, but I disagree that we should let the feds buy us out, especially with taxpayers' money. I would hold out for elimination of C-68 and a public pronouncement that it is not a crime to own a firearm. Two thousand million dollars is small change for the Lieberals. They might just want to settle out of court and "compensate" us for all our firearms. Claiming no compensation is due criminals is just the starting point to Chretien's style of negotiation. Robert Pogson beautiful, downtown, Whale Cove, NU ____________________________________________________________________ _____ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:11:23 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ARE BOYCOTTING THE FIREARMS REGISTRY Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Translation from French to English PUBLICATION: Le Soleil DATE: 2001.04.20 SECTION: Sports PAGE: E28 COLUMN: Chasse et pêche BYLINE: Bellemare, André A. ABORIGINAL PEOPLE ARE BOYCOTTING THE FIREARMS REGISTRY There is another snag in the federal process to license firearms owners and register their hunting rifles and shotguns. Aboriginal people living on- and off-reserve are boycotting the Canadian Firearms Registry on the grounds that the process goes against their culture and ancestral traditions. In interviews granted to various Canadian dailies in recent days, spokespersons for major Aboriginal groups have spoken against the notion that Ottawa now imposes on Natives obligations not contained in previously signed treaties. This is what is being claimed by Rick Simon, Atlantic Region Vice?Chief for the Assembly of First Nations. Dwight Dorey, President of the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples, which represents 800,000 Aboriginal people living off-reserve in Canada, reiterated that a resolution passed at the group's general annual meeting in 2000 directed leaders to officially oppose the Firearms Control Act. Rick Simon said that he could see the day when an Aboriginal person launched a court challenge over this law. He acknowledged that few Aboriginal people were currently respecting the legislation requiring gun owners to be licensed and to have certificates for the firearms in their possession. He reproached the federal government for not having consulted the Aboriginal peoples before adopting the legislation and not having consider the impact of the Act and Regulations on the Aboriginal way of life. According to information obtained by federal Alliance MP Gary Breitkreuz from the Minister of Justice in Ottawa, only 2,277 Aboriginal people, including 395 in Quebec, were issued firearms licences without paying a fee. During the same period, only 502 firearms possession and acquisition licences were issued to Aboriginal people in Canada ... with 31 in Quebec! AABellemare@lesoleil.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:04:46 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: Simon calls A call from Simon was received a few days ago, in it, it was emphatically stated that the Just us depasrtment headed by none othjer than Annie Mc Lellan, has already given the nod to a private company to do the firearms registry, and apparently with some sweetheart terms. I wonder if it is true!?? Do tell... taxpayers want to know. Any comments Annie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:07:22 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: HOw much did you lose With C-68, many firearms owners saw the value of their legally purchased property. dive into the dumpster. Since C-68 it has been nothing but a bear market for forearms, with too many gun stores closing and thousand turning in their legaly aquired property for destruction. The value of these firearms in their ownbers eyes had to be close to "zero". Let us examine the cost of the following. Pre-C-68/C-17 Colt AR15 A-2 Hbar (full heavy barell) Brand new, retailed from $2,000.00 at the low end, to $2500.oo at the high end. USED the same gun in as new condition would sell for $1500 to $1800 After C-68/C-17 New the same rifle retails for $1600 plus or minus a few bucks Used: As new condition $400/$800 on the high end . This loss in value is directly attributed to Bill C-17/C-68 when the Liberals announced their firearms laws. This is a signifcant loss of value from fifteen hunderd dollars on the low end pre C-68 , to four hundred dollars post C-68. It is this loss of value that we as firearms owners should be fairly compoensated for. Although the government has not seized our leghally aquired property, they have made it so restirctive to do anything with this property that its value in terms of use and enjoyment, and its subsequent inherent resale value has been destroyed. It is as a result of direct Government action that these devaluation have occured. It is only right and just that the government be taken to task to fairly compensate those citizens whose private proerty has been devalued and in most instances destroyed. The future economic loss of the value of these firearms is what is at stake. They had higher value before the government took action, they have less value now because of the government action. Are any attorneys interested in proceeeding with a class action suit to, help the firearms owners regain the lost value of their private property? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:08:55 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: HUmane society Ottawa The Ottawa Humane society is a charitable organization, and they sent me their status number. Check out their site www.ottawahumane.org read all about their "political exploits. and lobying" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:10:07 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: C-15 Debate Rescheduled to Monday, April 30th We have just been informed that the start of the debate of Bill C-15 has been rescheduled from April 26th to April 30th. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:11:32 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Candidate Promises End To Ban On Grizzly Hunting Candidate Promises End To Ban On Grizzly Hunting KELOWNA, B.C., April 21, 2001. Liberal Fisheries Critic John van Dongen said Friday that if elected, the party would move quickly to end the ban on grizzly bear hunting. Van Dongen circulated a letter at the annual B.C. Wildlife Convention from Gordon Campbell. The leader of the Liberal Party stated unequivocally that the moratorium would be reversed by a Liberal government. "It's going to happen very quickly, hopefully within 90 days," said van Dongen. "We're gearing up to make a lot of decisions quickly and this would be one of them." In his letter to federation president Ivar Larson, Campbell said the NDP grizzly ban "was a slap in the face to ministry experts and clearly violated the principle of sound scientific analysis for purely political reasons." He said a Liberal government would call for a "peer review" of the scientific evidence, but that there is no need to have the moratorium in place while that review is conducted. "We do not believe that a peer review will take an extended period of time, certainly far less than the three years envisioned by the NDP," said Campbell in his letter. He added, however, that the moratorium would be continued in areas that were designated by ministry officials. Ministry of Forests biologist Bruce McLellan told the federation meeting figures suggest that there could be as many as 17,000 grizzlies in British Columbia. "Grizzlies are not in any way threatened or endangered in this province," Larson said. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:15:28 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Gun registry privatization nears reality PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2001.04.20 BYLINE: CAMPBELL MORRISON Gun registry privatization nears reality The federal Department of Justice is within two weeks of completing its early evaluation of a plan to outsource the work at its Miramichi gun registry. David Austin, a spokesman for the Canadian Firearms Registry, said the government is in the final stages of consulting with private companies about ways they may help the government operate the facility that collects and maintains information on all gun owners and their firearms in the country. If the government is convinced that the private sector can help it maintain or gather the information more efficiently, then the next stage would be to establish a draft request for proposals that would eventually become a final request for proposals and start a bidding process, he said. In the meantime, the 400 employees currently at the registry will continue working on processing the licensing of firearms owners until the extended deadline of June 30 when all 2.3 million owners should have certificates. Then the final stages of registering firearms themselves kicks in and some or all of the employees could be asked to work on the firearms. They must all be registered with the centre by January 2003. The department's current exploration with the private sector concerns the long-term workload at the facility when it will process only new requests from people buying or selling firearms as opposed to the current situation when it is registering people who already own the weapons. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:34:12 -0600 From: "Bob Lickacz" Subject: RFC SING ALONG >From Gary Breitkreusz: Subject: BC Marijuana party platform Today I was doing a bit of random websurfing (slow day at the office) and ran into the BC Marijuana party (BCMP) web site (http://www.bcmarijuanaparty.ca/) and was pleasantly surprised that part of their platform includes repeal of Bill C-68. It is the only BC provincial party that has had anything to say about this issue, and if I read newspapers, I would have seen the BC Marijuana parties position on C-68 which they presented in a full page ad in Vancouver papers on 21/1/2001 (ad can be viewed at: http://www.bcmarijuanaparty.ca/article_fullpagead.htm) There will be a provincial election in BC on 16/5/2001. I've already decided to vote for BCMP and I think that other gun owners in BC should take a serious look at the BCMP platform. They're the closest thing we have to a libertarian party in this country. I don't expect the BCMP to form the next BC government, but there is a potential to register a huge protest vote. I've written to Gordon Campbell in the last few months to find out what his position on C-68 is. He has written back and even enclosed copies of two letters he wrote to Stalin Rock critical of C-68 (I doubt I'd get his permission to post the contents of these letters to the digest prior to the election). While it was nice of Gordon to personally respond and tell me about his concerns regarding C-68; I have not heard a word from the BC Liberal party in their public pronouncements on this issue. I can't understand his reticence to publically state what he is willing to do in private correspondence. Given that there is a close relationship between the BC provincial liberal party and the federal Lieberals, I think the vote of BC gun owners should go where it would do the most good for our cause, and this is the BCMP. Boris Gimbarzevsky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:39:30 -0600 From: PATHJM@aol.com Subject: Alert: HACS in Coquitlam B.C. Historical Arms Collectors Society of B.C. just concluded it's 29th annual gun show at the Coquitlam Sports Annex in Coquitlam B.C. this past weekend of April 21st/22nd. This gun show has been the subject of controversy for many years due to the efforts of 2 feminist/socialist city councillors and 1 feminist/socialist community activist, who are determined to have HACS evicted from this venue. Over the years they have used a variety of issues in their assault on HACS legitimate use of city property, including such canards as "offensive" T shirts and bumper stickers, and after the Columbine tragedy, the suggestion that gun shows encourage young people to go shoot up their schools. This gun show has never been an issue for the community at large and is always well attended. This gun show is an issue for these 3 individuals and their fellow travellers only. However, they are determined to obliterate it. In previous city council votes, HACS has consistantly won the right to continue, but by narrow margins. The Mayor of Coquitlam is an intelligent man who sees through the efforts of these 3 anti liberty activists, but he is not immune to the hyperbole and politically correct hand wringing they will employ in their renewed attack on HACS in Coquitlam. If you attended the HACS show in Coquitlam as a patron or vendor, contact Coquitlam city council NOW and express your support for HACS in Coquitlam. This is an extremely important show, not only for vendors and patrons, but also for NFA, RFOBC, BCWF and other groups to organize gun owners for political action. These 3 anti liberty activists know this, you don't think they just object to the "give 'em the bullets first" bumper stickers, do you ? Mayor and Council City of Coquitlam 3000 Guilford Way Coquitlam, B.C. 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