From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 26 April, 2001 08:07 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #742 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, April 26 2001 Volume 03 : Number 742 In this issue: Thula russian 22 help Teen charged with hacking into Air Force system FW: Parliamentary Human Rights Group Meeting FW: Day announces new Caucus leadership registration HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES - April 25, 2001 LETTER OPENING-NO WARRANTS Teen charged with hacking into Air Force system digest submissions Columbine relatives file 5 billion law suit Mail Opening Large numbers of Mi'kmaq ignoring gun law - leader Letter: Gun industry in danger Gun Control Science Misfires COPS RECOVER STOLEN GUNS, ARREST 7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:45:21 -0600 From: "Stephen J Peck" Subject: Thula russian 22 help Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone has information or can point me in the right direction?? I would like to find information on a Russian made Thula Firearms single shot 22 L.R. with a flash suppressor. Steve... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:51:37 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Teen charged with hacking into Air Force system And they say our firearms information is safe? What a joke. LJ Teen charged with hacking into Air Force system http://CNN.com/2001/TECH/internet/04/24/air.force.hack.idg/index.htm l (IDG) -- A 15-year-old Connecticut youth faces charges of hacking into a government computer system that tracks the positions of U.S. Air Force planes worldwide, according to government officials. - - 'Sniffer' program - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:50:16 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FW: Parliamentary Human Rights Group Meeting Item of interest for all those concerned about violations of fundamental human rights in Canada. > -----Original Message----- > From: Cotler, Irwin - M.P. > Sent: April 25, 2001 2:42 PM > To: - BQ DÉPUTÉS/MEMBERS; - BQ: ADJOINTS; - CANADIAN ALLIANCE > ASSISTANTS; - CANADIAN ALLIANCE MEMBERS/DÉPUTÉS; - LIBERAL ASSISTANTS; - > LIBERAL MEMBERS/DÉPUTÉS; - NDP MEMBERS/DÉPUTÉS NPD; - NDP/NPD ASSISTANTS; > - PC ASSISTANTS; - PC MEMBERS/DÉPUTÉS; - SEN SENATORS' OFF/BUR. SENATEURS; > - SEN PC/ASS-AGJ; - SEN LIB/ASS-ADJ; - SEN IND/ASS-ADJ; - SEN GLOBAL > Subject: Parliamentary Human Rights Group Meeting > > This is just a short reminder that the Parliamentary Human Rights Group > will meet tomorrow, Thursday April 26th from 11:30am-1:30pm in Rm. 160-S > Centre Block. > > Our Luncheon Speaker will be Professor Stephen Toope, former Dean of the > Faculty of Law of McGill University and International Law expert, who will > speak on: "Domestic Implementation of International Human Rights Law: > Canadian Confusion." > > This should be of particular interest in light of the Summit of the > Americas and other international involvements. > ------------------------------------------------------------------ - -------- > ---------------------------------------- > > Un petit rappel : le Groupe parlementaire des droits de la personne se > réunira demain, le jeudi 26 avril, de 11 h 30 à 13 h 30, à la pièce 160-S > de l'édifice du Centre. > > Notre conférencier sera le professeur Stephen Toope, ancien doyen de la > faculté de droit de l'Université McGill et expert en droit international. > Il parlera de la confusion qui règne au Canada au sujet de l'application > du droit international des droits de la personne. > > Cette allocution devrait être particulièrement intéressante au lendemain > du Sommet des Amériques et compte tenu d'autres engagements > internationaux. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:48:44 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FW: Day announces new Caucus leadership > -----Original Message----- > From: Official Opposition Press Office - Service de presse de > l'opposition officielle > Sent: April 25, 2001 2:09 PM > Subject: Day announces new Caucus leadership > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 25 > April 2000 > > Day announces new Caucus leadership > > Ottawa - Stockwell Day, Leader of the Official Opposition, today announced > the new Canadian Alliance leadership team. Grant Hill, MP (Macleod) will > assume the position Deputy Parliamentary Leader. John Reynolds, MP (West > Vancouver-Sunshine Coast), will assume the position of House Leader. > Cheryl Gallant, MP (Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke) will take over as Deputy > House Leader. Dick Harris, MP (Prince George-Bulkley Valley) will succeed > Mr. Reynolds as Chief Whip. Garry Breitkreuz, MP (Yorkton-Melville) will > continue to serve as Deputy Whip. > > "John, Grant and Dick are a formidable trio," said Day. "They bring to > their new posts enormous experience, energy and talent and are universally > respected both within caucus and among the grassroots of the Canadian > Alliance," said Day. > > "This new leadership team, the caucus, and I will now throw ourselves into > holding the Liberals to account for the Prime Minister's Shawinigate > dealings, Canada's disgracefully low dollar, and the urgent need for tax > cuts which Canadians can actually see on their pay stubs," said Day. > > Deputy Leader Grant Hill left his career as a medical doctor to enter > politics. He ran for the Reform Party in 1993, and was re-elected in the > Macleod riding in 1997. He has served as Health Critic in the Shadow > Cabinet, and as Critic for Intergovernmental Affairs and Official > Languages. He has most recently served as Critic for Family Issues, and > as Chairperson for the Canadian Alliance Task Force on Health Care. > > House Leader John Reynolds was elected to the House of Commons in 1972 as > the Progressive Conservative Member for Burnaby-Delta Richmond. He was > re-elected in 1974. Mr. Reynolds was elected as a Social Credit MLA for > the British Columbia legislature in 1983 and 1986 where he served as > Speaker and Minister of Environment. In 1997, Mr. Reynolds resumed a seat > in the Commons and has served the Canadian Alliance caucus as Chief Whip > since August 2000. > > Chief Opposition Whip Dick Harris was re-elected to the House of Commons > last November for his third consecutive term. Recently, Mr. Harris served > as Deputy Finance Critic for Banks and Financial Institutions. He is also > a member of the House of Commons Finance Committee. Previous roles have > included Deputy Critic for Public Works and Government Services. He came > to politics with a successful track record as a self-employed businessman. > > > Deputy House Leader, Cheryl Gallant is one of the Canadian Alliance's new > Ontario Members of Parliament. She has been serving as the Chief Critic > for Canadian Heritage. Prior to entering politics she served as a charity > fundraiser, and was active in her community as Chairperson of the Pembroke > Downtown Development Commission. > > Deputy Whip Garry Breitkreuz continues to serve in his current position. > He has also acted as the Deputy Critic for Agriculture, and held a special > assignment on Gun Control. Former roles have included deputy critic > portfolios in Aboriginal Affairs, Solicitor General, and Unemployment > Insurance. Garry first entered Parliament as a Reform MP for > Yorkton-Melville after the 1993 election. He was returned to office in > 1997 and 2000. Before politics, he was a school teacher and a principal > in a school on an Indian reserve. He has also farmed. > > - 30 - > > For further information, contact Dan Robertson: 947-3415 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:20:08 -0600 From: John Gass Subject: registration One group of the hot stove league down here has come up with the idea that the Feds are looking for a political safe way to flip the upcoming registration of presently unrestricted firearms to a "voluntary" registration process. Any gossip along this line in other parts of the realm ? This would require a Criminal Code amendment, no ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:23:15 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES - April 25, 2001 HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES QUESTION PERIOD Wednesday, April 25, 2001 UNEDITED COPY (Time posted: 15:53) Ms. Cheryl Gallant (Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, park wardens in our national parks have a proud tradition of service. The decision by Parks Canada to replace wardens with RCMP officers at double the cost to fully train and equip a park warden does not resolve the problem of unsafe working conditions. Issuing shotguns to patrolling wardens only heightens the potential for violence when a non-confrontational approach is requested. The problem is you cannot look at the activity to determine the danger. You determine risk by a subject's behaviour. Therefore, being told to back away by Parks Canada management is not appropriate. The pending decision to locate a detachment of RCMP officers in every national park in Canada is costly and unnecessary, and in the case of Ontario and Quebec an unacceptable intrusion into provincial jurisdiction. The Minister of Canadian Heritage should do the right thing and allow park wardens the right to bear arms. Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Calgary East, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, an internal evaluation conducted by the United Nations development program exposed its west African gun control project as a complete failure. Unfortunately for Canadian taxpayers the minister responsible for CIDA sunk $400,000 into this botched project. Why does this minister continue to give hundreds of thousands of dollars with no monitoring in place to ensure value for taxpayer money? Hon. Maria Minna (Minister for International Cooperation, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, one of the main priorities of my department is peace building and conflict resolutions and to try and bring peace in different parts of the world where thousands of people are dying. It is absolutely critical that we continue to assist and work very hard to ensure that peace is negotiated and brought about and victims get the kind of assistance that they need. Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Calgary East, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, the question is regarding gun control in a west African state. According to the minister's draft long term strategy document and I quote "CIDA finds itself managing a large number of projects, with fewer and fewer resources and more and more demands on staff time and resources". How can the minister guarantee taxpayer value for aid dollars when the number of projects remain constant but the resources to monitor them are shrinking? Hon. Maria Minna (Minister for International Cooperation, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I can assure the member that every program at CIDA is totally monitored. In fact, the auditor general in all audits has said that 97% of all the programs that were audited showed 100% compliance. We are very careful and the department is extremely vigilant on all the programming that we do. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:24:55 -0600 From: "Tom & Sharon Empey" Subject: LETTER OPENING-NO WARRANTS Moderator How about that Elinor Caplan the Minister of Citizenship and Immigration. In reply to the Privacy Commisioner's demand for search warrants to open our mail, Caplan's reply was that such would be "too costly and unmanageable" I thought "Costly and Unmanageable" is engraved on the Liberal Party Coat of Arms. It's certainly engraved on C-68. Thomas J. Empey Belleville, Upper Canada [Ont] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:26:27 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Teen charged with hacking into Air Force system And they say our firearms information is safe? What a joke. LJ Teen charged with hacking into Air Force system http://CNN.com/2001/TECH/internet/04/24/air.force.hack.idg/index.htm l (IDG) -- A 15-year-old Connecticut youth faces charges of hacking into a government computer system that tracks the positions of U.S. Air Force planes worldwide, according to government officials. - - 'Sniffer' program - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:21:28 -0600 From: "Merry-Sue" Subject: digest submissions Dear Moderator: I have been reading the digest for almost a year now, and one thing is beginning to bother me. We as members of the NFA are trying to make the government of Canada and the rest of the non-gun owner citizens of this country that we are sane and intelligent, and to take us seriously. To this end I have a suggestion. We need to be perceived as not only intelligent but educated in basic skills. Right now most of the posts in the digest are legible and make sense. But there are those that are mispelled and have poor grammar. Even those members who have to get the rant on screen immediately can take a few seconds and check for spelling errors and typos. If we want to be taken seriously then we need to take some time to prepare our submissions to the digest. As these are not changed by you the moderator then we as the submitter need to do these simple things ourselves. And remember, even the computer makes mistakes. I know that having this posted to the digest is going to get me "flamed" by several if not all of the other members, but I felt there was a need to express this. Merry-Sue Moderator: Comments that are non - inflamatory or insulting will be posted. Flamming will NOT be posted. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:43:06 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: Columbine relatives file 5 billion law suit Well here we go again. Out come the lawyers and the victims suing everyone remotely that could be held responsible for the Columbine Massacre. What these people fail to see, that it is not the Nintendo people or Warner bros or the Movies or anyone else. It is them who let this happen. Victims by their very nature do not accpet responsibility for their actions or lack thereof. Where were the parents, Who was teaching these kids morals, and right from wrong. Thesze parents let the ^TV do the educating. Where was the school to stop the bullying behaviouir. They are so scared they mkight get sued so they adopt a hands off I love you , you love me Barney policy. When we take comntrol of our childrens lives and instill in them the values that we learned from our parents, the same values that allowed us toleave our front doors unlocked, then ther will be no more Columbines. Unless and until we grab a hold of our children and start behaving as adults and parents with them, guiding them and nourishing them, and slapping them down for bad behaviour and praising for good, there will be only more disgrruntles teens gunning down more victinms, It is our generation of parents that are to blame. Look no further than the mirror, and ask yourself this question. Who rulkes in your home. In most cases its the kids that rule the house because they know there are no consequences to bad behaviour. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Columbine is a classic example of this old saw. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:50:55 -0600 From: "Ross" Subject: Mail Opening 4,000 forged immigration documents have been discovered over the last four years. regardless of how many forged documents they find, opoening our mail is the last route of the despot. Canada is now a certified banana republic. Incooming and outgoing mail may now be opened by the canada Kustoms inspektors who sit around reading your personal correspondence. I have always been told it is against the law to open other peoples mail. I guess like the Police, it is another us and them scenario. We are no lomger entitled to privacy . The silence from our so called Senate of sober thought, and our silence from the legal profession, their colleges, and the Justices in this country are deafening. Another set of rights gone down the flusher in the demokratic peoples rep[ublik of Kanada. Thank the stars that we can still have crypto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:01:57 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Large numbers of Mi'kmaq ignoring gun law - leader PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2001.04.26 SECTION: Nova Scotia PAGE: A5 BYLINE: Michael Lightstone - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Large numbers of Mi'kmaq ignoring gun law - leader - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- As many as half of Nova Scotia's off-reserve Mi'kmaq gun owners may be ignoring Canada's new firearms law, says the head of a national aboriginal organization. "I know there's a lot of people that still have not complied and some have no intentions" of obeying, Dwight Dorey said. "Others are sort of reluctantly doing it, because they're starting to get a sense now that it's a fait accompli," said Mr. Dorey, president of the Congress of Aboriginal Peoples, which represents about 800,000 off-reserve natives and Metis in Canada. Mr. Dorey said a resolution passed at a general meeting last year directs the organization to officially oppose Canada's gun-control law. But he stressed that he's basing his opinion about compliance levels strictly on anecdotal evidence. Many gun-owning natives - particularly those in the North - won't have anything to do with the firearms legislation, he said. "It's something that . . . goes against their culture and tradition," Mr. Dorey, a Mi'kmaq from Bridgewater, said in a phone interview from Ottawa. Rick Simon, Atlantic region vice-chief for the Assembly of First Nations, said he can see the day when a native gun owner launches a court challenge over the law. He said his organization "rejects the fact that the government has tried to impose on aboriginal and treaty rights through policy." Mr. Simon said few native gun owners, if any, are complying with the law. "The real issue is just like in any other area - government imposes legislation without thinking of the repercussions and how it relates to rights in relation to First Nations people," he said from Truro. About 92,000 Nova Scotians own guns, according to the federal government's Canadian Firearms Centre. Spokesman David Austin said most people are following revised gun-control rules that kicked in months ago. "We do know that compliance across the country right now is 87 per cent," he said. About 2.3 million Canadians are gun owners; more than 2 million have received or applied for licences. Firearms owners needed a valid permit by last Jan. 1. But a last-minute rush prompted Ottawa in December to announce that those who applied before the deadline would be immune from prosecution until June. By the end of 2002, all guns in Canada must be registered with the federal government. Mr. Austin said gun-licensing fees can be waived for natives and non-natives who hunt for their sustenance. He said about 3,000 permit fees in Canada have been waived. Ottawa's gun-control forms don't ask about ethnic origin, Mr. Austin said, so there's no way to tell how many natives may be ignoring the law. He acknowledged some native leaders made public comments in early January about disregarding federal firearms laws. But he said the government doesn't have hard data, or even anecdotal evidence, to determine how widespread that viewpoint is. Parliament's gun law, Bill C-68, was challenged in court but the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled the legislation is "enhancing public safety by controlling access to firearms." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:03:34 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Gun industry in danger PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2001.05.01 EDITION: National SECTION: National Post Business Magazine PAGE: 12 COLUMN: Letters BYLINE: J.M. Bell SOURCE: National Post DATELINE: SPRUCE GROVE, Alta. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Gun industry in danger - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Well, what a surprise! Your March issue has a two-page photo of a handsome, big pistol with print wrapped around it (Deconstruct, March 2001). So, I thought, what does this have to do with business? Not much, it turns out. Instead, a miscellany about the shooting sports, and a fair bit of attention to the technical aspects of modern handguns, follows. However, there is a compelling business topic on the shooting sports that could be covered in a magazine such as yours. The Canadian Institute for Legislative Action (CILA) says this is a $6-billion-a-year industry in Canada. Restrictive legislation has been brutal, causing hundreds of gunshops and related firms to crash over the past decade. If even a 15% decline has resulted, then that is a substanial loss to the economy -- surely a matter on which your readers deserve to be informed. J.M. Bell Spruce Grove, Alta. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:05:12 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun Control Science Misfires http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,7217,00.html Gun Control Science Misfires Thursday, April 12, 2001 By Steven Milloy Gun control advocates used to claim that more guns meant more crime. Research demonstrated, though, that more guns meant less crime. As the criminology argument faded, gun control advocates began arguing guns were a public health problem. But the public health argument is also bankrupt, according to Miguel A. Faria Jr., M.D., editor of the Medical Sentinel, the journal of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Dr. Faria lays out his reasoning in the Spring 2001 issue. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:07:06 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: COPS RECOVER STOLEN GUNS, ARREST 7 PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2001.04.26 SECTION: News PAGE: 44 COLUMN: Sunflashes - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- DURHAM: COPS RECOVER STOLEN GUNS, ARREST 7 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Durham police recovered a cache of stolen when they stopped four men in a car Sunday. Police determined a TV in the car had been stolen from a home on Royal Oak Rd. in Mariposa two days earlier. A search of a home in Lindsay turned up property taken from the same break-in, including , archery equipment and electronic gear. Gregory Raniery, 20, and Scott Jeffrey, 21, both of Port Perry, and Bryon Brown,18, and Michael Giannini, 18, both of Sunderland, Cassey Brown, 21, Christopher Prosser, 19, and Brad Mackey, 22, all of Lindsay, are charged. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #742 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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