From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 02 May, 2001 09:51 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #750 Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, May 2 2001 Volume 03 : Number 750 In this issue: Re: Garry's Response to the Canadian Police Association Breitkreuz's response to the CPA Walmart and Ammunition Garry's Response to the Canadian Police Association Updates on www.nfa.ca Re: Gun Confiscation Day; was:Bill C-15 Debate Put-Off Search & Seizure Bill being debated Friday May 4th CFC Responds: "Possession" while owner is away Re: NFA Election of Directors - Alberta FIREARMS ACT TAKES SHOT AT PAINTBALL FANS Surrey's new police chief targets violent video games Plugging leaks + McLellan's media briefing may have broken cabinet secrecy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:53:09 -0600 From: "Freddo" Subject: Re: Garry's Response to the Canadian Police Association Excellent ! This is a work of art ! We are truly fortunate to have a man like Mr. Breitkreuz on "the Hill". Garry (and your most able-bodied assistant), keep up the good work! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Garry's Response to the Canadian Police Association > http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/CPA01.htm > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:54:48 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Breitkreuz's response to the CPA Garry's Response to the Canadian Police Association Absolutely super critique of the CPA's rationale for their decision to continue to support the registry, contrary to the non support by front line officers!!!! It's a real pity the RFC organizations did not take the lead and reply to the CPA similarly. A golden opportunity lost. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:08:22 -0600 From: Martin Simmons Subject: Walmart and Ammunition The Walmart in Victoria BC is still insisting on recording name and license particulars when selling ammunition. Their response to my insisting that all they were required to do is check for a valid license, and not record details, was that they were "The test store" and that they had been asked to do so by the RCMP. I took my business elsewhere, as the store and the store clerks are not entitled to know who has firearms. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:25:26 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Garry's Response to the Canadian Police Association http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/CPA01.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:25:34 -0600 From: "Jim Hinter" Subject: Updates on www.nfa.ca Visit the NFA Web Page and read about the Alberta and Manitoba Provincial Directors Elections. www.nfa.ca www.nfa.ca/provincial.html Jim Hinter National President ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:25:05 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Gun Confiscation Day; was:Bill C-15 Debate Put-Off Again Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca "Brad Thorarinson" wrote: > So, unless Annie & her minions extend the amnesty farce once again (my > guess), July 1, 2001 will be Gun Confiscation Day for small handguns. It > used to be, not that long ago, that there was something actually worth > celebrating on that date of July 1. My bet is that they are waiting on the privitization (oops, I mean "outsourcing") deal to go through. Then they can wash their hands of the whole thing. Bruce Hamilton, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:25:20 -0600 From: Subject: Search & Seizure Bill being debated Friday May 4th Leon Benoit's Private Members Bill C-245 will be debated at 1:30 PM (EDT) on Friday, May 4th First Session, Thirty-seventh Parliament, 49-50 Elizabeth II, 2001 HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA BILL C-245 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (search and seizure without warrant) First reading, February 7, 2001 SUMMARY This enactment affects Part III of the Criminal Code as enacted by section 139 of the Firearms Act. The purpose is to remove the power in subsection 117.04(2) to enter to search and seize without a warrant in cases where no offence has been committed or is suspected to have been committed. Provision is made for restitution for loss or damage resulting from the entry and search taking into account whether the loss or damage was reasonably necessary in light of the evidence collected and in light of the behaviour of the persons on the premises at the time. In addition, several amendments are made consequential to the repeal of subsection 117.04(2) to remove references to it. http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/private/C-245 /C-245_1 /C-245_cover-E.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:25:13 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC Responds: "Possession" while owner is away - -----Original Message----- From: Canadian Firearms Centre [mailto:CFCindis@JUSTICE.GC.CA] Sent: May 1, 2001 3:18 PM To: Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: FW: The enquiry that has been assigned/forwarded to me. This is the action taken for the Enquiry (E20014411327) made by Dennis Young (BreitG0@parl.gc.ca ) on 04/04/2001 DATE OF RESPONSE : 01/05/2001 RESPONSE TO ENQUIRY : Dear Sir: Thank you for your enquiry. It is the responsibility of a licensed firearms owner to ensure that his or her firearms are stored according to safe storage regulations. The intent of the safe storage regulations is to prevent the handling of firearms by unlicensed individuals. A safely stored firearm, stored such that an unlicensed person cannot access and load the firearm, is not in the possession of the unlicensed person. I hope this is of assistance. Yours truly, Penelope Muller Communications Group Canadian Firearms Centre QUESTION ASKED : Subject: Who is in "legal" possession of stored firearms while owner is away? A column in the National Post by Donna Laframboise has resulted in a number of enquiries to our office. Copy of column attached. QUESTIONS: (1) Who is in legal "possession" of a properly stored firearm while the licenced owner is away from home? (2) While the licenced owner of the firearm is away from home, do other occupants of the household have to have a firearms licence? Dennis Young BreitG0@parl.gc.ca Parliamentary Assistant 992-4394 PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2001.03.29 EDITION: National SECTION: Editorials PAGE: A19 BYLINE: Donna Laframboise SOURCE: National Post http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?f=/stories/2001032 9/515805 .html Annie, get your gun licence Last October, I reported on my efforts to comply with Canada's new Firearms Act. As I wrote at the time, "even people such as myself who own no guns and have no intention of ever buying any, need to secure [a federal] licence. This is because, after the end of 2000, I won't be able to borrow one of my father's guns during the few days a year I spend tramping around the bush with him during hunting season. Nor will a store sell me a box of shotgun shells for his Christmas stocking if I can't produce one of these licences. Let's be clear: I think it's reasonable for governments to try to ensure people use firearms safely. But I took Ontario's hunter safety course years ago, passed the test, and am the holder of a provincial hunting licence in good standing. To the feds, that's all irrelevant. They've invented a new set of hoops to jump through and I expect to be informed, any day now, that I've flubbed the first one. Why? Because the firearms registration process is such an unmitigated disaster that, six months after applying for the wrong licence on the advice of the government itself, I now realize the only way I'll legally be able to go duck hunting this autumn is if I do something I would never have done otherwise: falsely lead the feds to believe I want to buy my own gun. Last year a government flyer advised me to choose between two kinds of licences. The first cost $60 and, to quote the flyer, "Allows you to POSSESS, BORROW and ACQUIRE firearms." The second, which cost $10, "Allows you to POSSESS and BORROW firearms." Since I don't want to purchase a gun, I applied for the second. And, because I don't own a firearm, I checked the "none" box when asked what category of gun I possess. Thousands of other people did the same. But our applications are being rejected because, never mind what the flyer said, we don't qualify for a possession-only licence if we don't own a gun already. If you're starting to feel confused, welcome to the club. But it gets worse. In their attempts to respond to this foul-up, it appears government employees are encouraging people to break the law. Women who've had their applications rejected are phoning the 1-800 number and are being asked by the nice person on the other end of the line whether they're really sure one of those guns their husband owns isn't theirs. Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge. According to one woman I spoke to, as soon as she "remembered" she herself has actually owned a particular rifle for years and supplied its serial number, her licence arrived in the mail three weeks later. Several other people, from different parts of the country, report similar experiences. But this is terribly risky. Legally, only those people who were at least 16 years old and already in possession of the gun in question on Jan. 1, 1979, can safely make this claim. Anyone who turned 16 sometime later (I, myself missed the deadline by six months) or became the owner of a firearm after 1978, needed a firearms acquisition certificate. In other words, wives who weren't yet married, back in 1979, to the husbands whose guns they're now being counselled to claim are theirs are wading into quicksand. I'm not usually of the opinion that the gun registry is a conspiracy to strip gun owners of their firearms, but if that were the government's intention, counselling people to lie and then confiscating their guns as punishment would be one way of achieving such a goal. But even that's not the worst of it. I live in the city and my husband (much to my father's perennial disappointment), is not a hunter. But hundreds of thousands of women live out in the country with spouses who do own guns. Some of these spouses go away on weekend fishing trips. Some work out of town. The new law says that, in their husbands' absence, the guns stored in these women's homes are considered to be in these women's possession. In other words all women who live with men who own guns are at risk of being turned into criminals. The only way they can ensure they aren't someday charged with illegally being in possession of a firearm is to get a licence themselves. No one has told them this, however. And since no one told the authors of the government flyer that neither rural women nor occasional hunters such as myself qualify for a possession-only licence, we're left with two choices. One: We lie and say we're a gun owner already. Two: We start over again by applying for the $60 acquisition licence. But this, too, requires us to mislead the government?since it implies we want to become full-fledged gun owners when that isn't the case at all. NOTE: Counselling a person to commit a criminal offence is contrary to section 22 of the Criminal Code. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 23:52:47 -0600 From: "Peter Kearns" Subject: Re: NFA Election of Directors - Alberta Gord Hitchen wrote: > Bob is a person who has the respect of politicians as well as > members of the Recreational Firearms Community, a Person who is > welcome in any Provincial or Federal politicians Office . > > Mark Bob lickacy as your # 1 choice for Director - PLEASE. > Peter wrote: I agree with Gord's statement. Bob Lickacz is a superb candidate, and will be a great director. Gord is also running, and will be a super director as well, and I request you vote for him too. (I will.) (Back to lurk mode!) Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:50:19 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FIREARMS ACT TAKES SHOT AT PAINTBALL FANS PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2001.05.02 SECTION: News PAGE: 22 SOURCE: Ottawa Sun BYLINE: Mark Dunn - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- FIREARMS ACT TAKES SHOT AT PAINTBALL FANS - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Paintball enthusiasts who like to prance around beaning their foes with paint projectiles risk becoming instant criminals under amendments to the Act. The inclusion in the act has paintball operators across the country up in arms at the thought they could become crooks because justice officials have targeted the multi-million dollar extreme sport. "The ludicrous, unenforceable long gun registry has taken a new twist," Tory House Leader Peter MacKay said in the Commons yesterday. "Omnibus Bill C-15 will designate paintball players and operators as criminals." At issue are the compressed air guns used to fire paintballs and the size of the balls -- both of which exceed proposed government regulations. MacKay said the sport will itself constitute a criminal offence, as it is illegal to point a firearm at another person. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:50:34 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Surrey's new police chief targets violent video games PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2001.05.02 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: News PAGE: B5 BYLINE: Brian Morton SOURCE: Vancouver Sun ILLUSTRATION: Color Photo: Mark Van Manen, Vancouver Sun / Chief Superintendent Jamie Graham (centre), the new head of the Surrey RCMP detachment is shown Tuesday with Staff Sergeant Greg Dobrowski and the force's official Safety Bear. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Surrey's new police chief targets violent video games: In North Vancouver, he was noted for tackling youth violence - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- If the province's latest municipal crime statistics are any indication, Surrey's newest police chief may have a bit more on his plate than he did in his last posting. But North Vancouver RCMP Superintendent Jamie Graham, who takes up his post as chief superintendent in Surrey May 18, doesn't think communities should be categorized that way. ``Yes, the offences are higher in Surrey, [but] there are a number of factors at play,'' Graham said Tuesday in an interview. ``I'm taking over an outstanding level of service that's in place already [and] I want to provide the citizens of Surrey with the best possible police service in the world.'' While North Vancouver has one of the lowest crime rates in the Lower Mainland, that's not the case in Surrey, which has one of the higher crime rates in the region. While the smaller and mainly urban North Vancouver city has a year 2000 rate that's closer to that of Surrey (118 crimes per 1,000 people compared to 127 crimes per 1,000 people in Surrey), North Vancouver district -- the North Shore's largest municipality -- has a crime rate [65 per 1,000] that's only about half that the rate in Surrey. As well, a total of 43,093 crimes were committed in Surrey in 2000, compared to 11,002 in North Vancouver. Figures for 1999 also show the rate of break and enters is about double in Surrey, compared to North Vancouver district, and the number of motor vehicle thefts is about four times as high. The population of Surrey is 340,094, compared to 131,577 in North Vancouver. Surrey, with 386 officers, has the biggest RCMP detachment in Canada. The North Vancouver detachment has 159 officers. Graham, 52, said that besides tackling traditional police work, there are two issues he feels require more attention: violent video games and dealing effectively with the mentally ill. ``Police officers are problem solvers,'' said Graham, a member of Coalition Against Violent Entertainment [COVE]. ``And when we see highly-graphic violent video games, we don't think that's appropriate in young people's hands. There's no doubt in my mind that they bring out the worst in children. It scars them emotionally and breeds bullying and violent behaviour.'' Last Christmas, he joined parents, educators and violence-in-the-media experts in a campaign to convince holiday shoppers to boycott products with computer-animated guns, blood and gore. He takes particular issue with so-called ``first shooter'' games, in which a player looks through what appears to be a sight and presses the trigger of a pretend to kill a human target. Some of those games reward the shooter with a vibrating handle when the victim gets blown away. And the player usually has to shoot everything in sight to win the game. Graham pointed to a mass-murder in Kentucky several years ago in which a child took a handgun into a school cafeteria and killed six other children, shooting them all in the head. Investigators learned the killer had never before used a real at a shooting range, but had spent more than 10,000 hours on a video shooting game. The game gave the player bonus points for shooting pretend people in the head. In his seven years with the North Vancouver detachment, Graham was noted for tackling the problem of youth violence, getting officers to spend more time in schools. He leaves the detachment with five school liaison officers in place. As a 32-year veteran of the RCMP, Graham has held a variety of postings in Alberta and B.C., including several years with homicide and robbery in Edmonton and a two-year stint as an executive officer with the B.C. Police Commission. Besides his membership in COVE, Graham is also vice-president of the B.C. Association of Chiefs of Police and chairman of the BCACP Mental Health Society. ``I firmly believe that properly-trained police officers can interact with the mentally ill to ensure better outcomes.'' Surrey Mayor Doug McCallum welcomed the new chief, saying: ``Superintendent Graham brings to Surrey a wealth of police, management and leadership experience.'' The Surrey detachment's media liaison officer, Corporal Janice Armstrong, said officers are looking forward to working with Graham. ``He's got a great deal of experience across the board. We're certainly looking forward to him playing a big role here in the Surrey detachment.'' Graham said he had a close relationship with both North Vancouver councils and hopes to continue that in Surrey. ``We want to ensure that council is well informed [about police issues]. Graham replaces former Surrey RCMP police chief Terry Smith, who recently took over as B.C.'s chief coroner. Graham was born in Belleville, Ontario and has lived in many places in Canada, as well as Washington, D.C. and New Delhi, India. Graham's wife, Gail, is a lawyer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:50:40 -0600 From: "Paul Chicoine" <701506@ican.net> Subject: Plugging leaks + HEADLINE: Plugging leaks By: NICOLAS VAN PRAET The Gazette Barely five months after flushing out a mole who leaked personal addresses of police officers to an outlaw biker gang, the provincial Revenue Department is still catching its unscrupulous employees poking into the private information of Quebecers. The department nabbed twice as many public servants in 2000 than in 1999 who were snooping into information on everything from what individual Quebecers earn every year to where they live. Full story: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/pages/010502/5015505.html HEADLINE: Ex-bank president wants controversial writ struck down By: ELIZABETH THOMPSON The Gazette The Quebec Court of Appeal should strike down a controversial writ granted by Quebec Superior Court Justice Joel Silcoff, to ensure no judge ever again grants such an "outrageous" order, the lawyer for the former head of the Business Development Bank said yesterday. "I think that it would serve a very useful public purpose if, in no uncertain terms, such an order was declared to be abusive and illegal," said Doug Mitchell, lawyer for Francois Beaudoin. Full story: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/pages/010502/5015817.html __________ Paul Chicoine (DSS) 0x3B0DB246 *Illegitimi non Carborundum* Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:50:26 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: McLellan's media briefing may have broken cabinet secrecy rules Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2001.05.02 EDITION: EARLY SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Tim Naumetz SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen ILLUSTRATION: Black & White Photo: Justice Minister Anne . - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- McLellan's media briefing may have broken cabinet secrecy rules - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- - ---- Justice Minister Anne and her department may have violated cabinet guidelines and federal secrecy laws by briefing reporters on a child-stalking bill before tabling it in Parliament, testimony at a Commons committee suggests. Ms. McLellan's action last month did not conform to cabinet guidelines outlined at the committee yesterday by a senior bureaucrat in the Privy Council Office or to the bureaucrat's description of how bills should be treated bills before they are tabled. All government bills are secret until presented to Parliament and, in the only exemption to that rule under cabinet guidelines, ministers must get permission from the rest of cabinet before making draft bills public for consultation, said Oonagh Fitzgerald, assistant secretary to cabinet for legislation and House planning. The secrecy of government bills before introduction in Parliament is protected by the Canada Evidence Act, the Access to Information Act and the Privacy Act, Ms. Fitzgerald told the committee. Ms. has apologized to the committee for the briefing her department gave members of the Parliamentary Press Gallery on an omnibus bill amending the Criminal Code before tabling the bill in the House in mid-March. Aides to opposition MPs were refused access to the briefing, while MPs were given copies of the bill only an hour before Ms. introduced it and just minutes before question period, which they said deprived them of time to study the legislation before answering media questions. Commons Speaker Peter Milliken accepted opposition arguments that the incident may have been in contempt of the Commons, and referred the complaints to House affairs committee. Ms. told the committee she has established a new policy of not releasing bills to anyone before introducing them in the House and said journalists broke an embargo by talking to opposition MPs before she tabled the bill. Ms. Fitzgerald did not respond when asked whether the department's actions violated cabinet guidelines, but her responses made it clear the briefing did not conform to either written or unwritten rules about legislative secrecy. The only written rule she said she was aware of is contained in Privy Council guidelines for lawmaking. ``By tradition, draft bills have been treated with strict confidence before they are introduced in Parliament,'' the guidelines state. ``However, in keeping with the government's commitment to openness and consultation, sponsoring ministers may wish to consult on the basis of draft bills.'' The guidelines state ministers who wish to release draft bills for public discussion should first seek cabinet's agreement, but they do not refer to media briefings or briefings for MPs. ``It certainly appears that either a written or unwritten directive was breached by the minister's department,'' said Conservative House Leader Peter MacKay. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #750 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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