From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2001 08:40 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #761 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 03 : Number 761 In this issue: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca: Approval required: Tom Waddel - petition Re: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca: info needed: Mosher in the Times Miramichi CFC Employees Workers to be appraised of the future at meetings in Miramichi to day Edtior's: (Paintball players are so relieved. Now, about all thos e farmers with rifles...) CFC clarifies Bill C-15 "Paintball Marker" status CFC - Letter on firearms law was misleading Submachine-guns seized MACHINE-GUN FOUND IN MISSISSAUGA CAR Officer's mission to shoot deer ends with him under the gun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 8:13 PM From: Subject: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca: Approval required: >From skeeter@skatter.usask.ca Wed May 9 20:04:11 2001 Received: from mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.48]) by broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12289 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 20:04:11 -0600 Received: from default ([24.79.173.27]) by mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010510021250.IERX6774.mail1.rdc2.ab.home.com@default> for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 19:12:50 -0700 Message-ID: <009801c0d8f6$ff0bed20$1bad4f18@ed.shawcable.net> From: "Gordon Hitchen" To: Subject: Tom Waddel - petition Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:14:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 The following Url is to a petition to have Tom Waddel removed from Parliament. His refusal to help an ancient seaman because he voted against the Liberals in the last Election is a disgrace to Government and an Insult to every Canadian. http://www.petitiononline.com/prtw/petition.html Gordon Hitchen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:31:24 -0600 From: "Gordon Hitchen" Subject: Tom Waddel - petition The following Url is to a petition to have Tom Waddel removed from Parliament. His refusal to help an ancient seaman because he voted against the Liberals in the last Election is a disgrace to Government and an Insult to every Canadian. http://www.petitiononline.com/prtw/petition.html Gordon Hitchen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:03:20 -0600 From: LawrenceAWehren@aol.com Subject: Re: BOUNCE cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca: info needed: Anyone can confirm the process of which official department one needs to talk to regarding moving residence from one province to another and transporting long arms and restricted weapons from one jurisdiction to another? i.e.: British Columbia to New Brunswick, by vehicle taking about a week to drive there. Larry Wehren Member of: West Coast Fieros of B.C. www.westcoastfieros.com 87GT 5sp Silver 85GT auto Red 88 Chevy Blazer 4X4 92 GMC Safari Some days are good days, some days are bad days, but Sundays are NASCAR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:06:03 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Mosher in the Times According to a previous CFD item: Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Everett Mosher states in the Moncton Times and Transcript: >Bill C-68 hasn't scared off N.B. firearms enthusiasts (Based upon the attendance of gun owners at a local gun sale and auction). Er, not according to the stat's that I've read: Why have only 8.2% of N.Bers., the lowest rate in all of Canada, applied for PALs over the past two years. Almost 80,000 of N.Bers. applied for POLs while less than 7,000 applied for PALs (Dec '98 to Jan 01). The huntin' and shootin' sports in N.B. appear to be going the way of the crabs and cod Down East. Everett's article misses the scary reality that is staring us in the face. Another bit of thanks to the lack of 'grandfathering' as promised by A. Rock and NOT delivered by 'friendly' provincial governments. And what the heck, these folks each saved from $40 to $70, or a provincial total of #3,200,000 to $5,600,000 by applying for POLs. Plus they saved themselves a lot of hassle over taking the CFSC challenge test, etc. N.Bers. were never even offered alternate certification via a CFO's test. Now how is the RFC going to entice these folks to become 'active' shooters and how will all the province get these same taxpayers back into the habit of buying more firearms and supporting their local economies? Was this $3 to $5 mil spent elsewhere than in gun shops? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:07:50 -0600 From: "Dan Lupichuk Sask. Pres. NFA" Subject: Miramichi CFC Employees > MARCH 3rd: 700 people in Miramichi marched to the MP's office to protest layoffs caused by privatization of the gun registry Serves them right! They have been spreading the lies about how almost all of the firearms owners are licensed instead of telling the true facts and that they have only scratched the surface. Now all the B.S. that they have participated in promoting has come home---Too Bad, What Goes Around Comes Around! ENJOY! > "However, the union believes the federal government plans to privatize the entire licencing and registration system, taking all the workers off the federal payroll and with no guarantees a private company would hire any of them." Why would a private company hire them. Companys hire people who are Honest and Truthful in their work--that way the company can count on them. Union has no guts eighter. If they did they would be spreading the word that only approx. one quarter of the licensing of owners has been accomplished---therefore the workers are still needed. But the union must be tied tight to a government tit someplace because they are real quite about this. Sure hope those workers are REAL HAPPY that they have paid all those union dues and got.????????????????????for it from the union---not even truth about unfinished job!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:17 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Workers to be appraised of the future at meetings in Miramichi to day PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2001.05.10 SECTION: New Brunswick PAGE: A5 SOURCE: Times & Transcript Staff BYLINE: CAMPBELL MORRISON DATELINE: OTTAWA - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Firearms centres future to be unveiled today; Workers to be appraised of the future at meetings in Miramichi today - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- The chief executive officer of the Canadian Centre is holding a series of meetings in Miramichi today to outline how the centre plans to adjust to its lower levels of work. Maryanntonett Flumian was unavailable for comment prior to her meetings today, but the centre's spokesman said the subject is the future. "Maryanntonett Flumian will be bringing them up to speed as to what is ahead," said David Austin. It is a follow-up to a series of meetings she held in Miramichi last April. Most of the 400 employees at the centre are temporary employees who work for the Department of Human Resources, and they are concerned about how long their employment will last. Three weeks ago, the department ended the employment of 77 part-time workers as a result of its falling workload. Their main job is to input data from applications. They earn about $35,000 a year. The volume of work done at the centre has dropped dramatically, Austin said, since the Jan. 1, 2001 deadline for registering gun owners passed. In the last six months of 2000, 1.2 million applications were received, slightly more than half the 2.3 million gun owners that registered since the centre opened in 1996. "The licensing phase is winding down and they were brought on for the most part to deal with that phase," Austin said. Darren MacDonald, president of the Employment and Immigration Union that represents the temporary employees, issued a notice to the media about the meeting yesterday but was unavailable afterwards. In the notice, he said the subject was unknown, but Austin said it simply follows on the meeting Flumian held in April and is considered routine. He added that it should come as no surprise if employees' contracts are not renewed since the next deadline for registration of is Jan. 1, 2003. "(They) are term employees, so they are hired only for a specific period of time usually to deal with a specific project. In fact, the majority of staff down there at Miramichi are terms, so they are not permanent," Austin said. "You're not really laid off if I hire you to paint my wall and tell you it is going to take a week; at the end of a week when its finished, I have not laid you off." Nevertheless, the status of the Canadian Centre remains a question mark since it was placed in Miramichi for political reasons that no longer exist. Miramichi was chosen after the federal government closed a nearby military base, and it was placed in former premier Frank McKenna's riding. Furthermore, with the Department of Justice currently exploring alternate means of delivering the program, its future is even more in doubt. Labour Minister Claudette Bradshaw, the Liberal MP for Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe, said she speaks about its status frequently with Miramichi Liberal MP Charles Hubbard and Justice Minister Anne McLellan "It is something that I have spoken to Charlie Hubbard about very often," Bradshaw said. "It is something I that I have spoken to the minister very often about. We are working with the minister on that issue. I believe the situation is that we knew that we would be losing some because of the registry and people being registered, but my understanding is that the registry office will stay in Miramichi. That was my last understanding." Hubbard has also received assurances that the centre will remain in Miramichi, but he is pushing to have more functions transferred to it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:29 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Edtior's: (Paintball players are so relieved. Now, about all thos e farmers with rifles...) PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2001.05.10 SECTION: Editorial/opinion PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Letters to the editor I AM writing to clarify misinformation in the May 2 article "Law paints players crooked." On March 14, the minister of justice introduced Bill C-15, which includes proposed amendments to the Act and the Criminal Code. One of the proposed amendments deals with air guns. An air gun or paintball marker would be exempt from registration and owners would not have to license themselves if it fires a projectile at a muzzle velocity of less than 152.4 m (500 ft.) per second or at a muzzle energy below 5.7 joules. Since most paintball markers do not reach a muzzle velocity of 152.4 m per second, the proposed amendment would in no way change their status. David Austin Communications, Canadian Centre Edtior's Comment: (Paintball players are so relieved. Now, about all those farmers with rifles...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:23 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC clarifies Bill C-15 "Paintball Marker" status PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2001.05.10 SECTION: Comment PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Letter of the day - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- LETTER OF THE DAY COLUMN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- I AM writing to clarify misinformation contained in the article, "Firearms Act takes shot at paintball fans," May 2. On March 14 the minister of justice introduced Bill C-15 (Criminal Law Amendment Act, 2001) which includes proposed amendments to the Firearms Act and to Part III of the Criminal Code of Canada. One of the proposed amendments deals with airguns. According to the proposed amendment, an airgun or paintball marker would be exempt from registration and owners would not have to license themselves, if it fires a projectile at a muzzle velocity of less than 152.4 metres (500 feet) per second or at a muzzle energy below 5.7 Joules. Since most paintball markers do not reach a muzzle velocity of 152.4 metres per second, the proposed amendment would in no way change their status. David Austin Communications and Public Affairs Canadian Firearms Centre Editor's Comment (A relief ... but now that we think of it, are airguns much of a crime problem these days?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:10 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC - Letter on firearms law was misleading PUBLICATION: The Whitehorse Star DATE: 2001.05.09 SECTION: Opinion PAGE: 11 COLUMN: Letters to the editor - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Letter on firearms law was misleading - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- I am writing in response to a letter by Doug Lorenzen on April 17 which misled your readers regarding the Canadian Program. Contrary to Mr. Lorenzen's assertions, the licensing and registration requirements are working together to improve public safety. Licensing ensures that firearm users are conscious of public safety and the legal obligations that accompany ownership. A continuous screening mechanism helps to ensure are kept out of the hands of people who pose a threat to themselves or others. The registration of links owners to their and ensures accountability. With registration, owners will be more likely to ensure their are safely stored and will be quick to inform police if their are stolen. The registry is very important to law enforcement officials when they evaluate a potential threat to public safety and the removal of . The registry also contributes to crime investigation. Studies show that half of all handguns and other restricted recovered at crime scenes are registered and can be traced back to their original owner. With the registration of rifles and shotguns, it will be much easier to trace these as well. This is extremely important since long guns are associated with many firearm-related crimes in Canada. The law enforcement community supports the registration of as a valuable tool in reducing the number of crimes involving and assisting police in investigating and solving crimes involving . Despite what the author may have been told by gun advocates, a new comprehensive study indicates there is an active firearm ownership base of 2.3 million in Canada. The study is based on a national survey undertaken in autumn 2000 by GPC Research. It is by far the most comprehensive survey that has been completed on this subject within the last 10 years. To date, no one has been able to provide any evidence to substantiate claims that there are six or seven million owners, as gun lobbyists often claim. Across Canada, 3,000 fire-arms licences have been refused or revoked since the new law came into effect Dec. 1, 1998. This is over 26 times more revocations than the total for the last five years of the previous system. This law is already helping to improve public safety in Canada by keeping out of the hands of those who should not have them. David Austin Communications and Public Affairs Canadian Centre Ottawa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:36 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Submachine-guns seized PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2001.05.10 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: Capital Region PAGE: B2 SOURCE: Times Colonist - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Submachine-guns seized - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Victoria police recovered two submachine-guns from a house in the Hillside-Quadra area last week. On April 28, police received information that a MP5 and a Cobray, described by police as assault weapons, had been stolen from a collection in Yellowknife and were in a home in Victoria. Police executed a search warrant at the address and seized the weapons, which were sent to the Provincial Centre for destruction, said deputy police chief Geoff Varley. No one was arrested. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:28:42 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: MACHINE-GUN FOUND IN MISSISSAUGA CAR PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2001.05.10 SECTION: News PAGE: 58 SOURCE: Peel Bureau BYLINE: John Schmied DATELINE: Mississauga - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- MACHINE-GUN FOUND IN MISSISSAUGA CAR; COPS PROBE BACKGROUNDS OF 3 SUSPECTS ARRESTED - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Peel Regional Police are probing the backgrounds and possible intentions of three men after a "street-sweeper" submachine-gun was found in a car. "We have no idea what they had planned for it. It's a serious gun," Det.-Sgt. Dave Townsend said of the MP5 seized Tuesday evening. When converted to fully automatic, the weapon can fire at a rate of up to 800 bullets a minute. Townsend said an officer on patrol spotted a Ford Taurus on Trailwood Dr., near Hurontario St. and Bristol Rd.,with three men in it acting suspiciously. As he questioned the men, he spotted the butt of a firearm sticking out from underneath the front seat. The men were arrested and the car was searched. Police are trying to trace the weapon, which is prohibited in Canada. Anthony Welbert, 33, of Southfields, New York, Ahmed Husein Ahmed, 19, of Kipling Ave., and Waheb Ali Al-Maktari, 19, of no fixed address, are charged with possession of a prohibited weapon and possession of a firearm in a vehicle. Ahmed is also charged with breach of a peace recognizance and breach of a prohibition. In addition, Al-Maktari is charged with possession of a dangerous weapon, breach of probation and obstructing police. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:39:54 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Officer's mission to shoot deer ends with him under the gun PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2001.05.10 EDITION: National SECTION: News PAGE: A1 / Front BYLINE: Les Perreaux SOURCE: National Post CORPORATION: Nova Scotia Department of Natural Resources HEADLINE: Officer's mission to shoot deer ends with him under the gun (Toronto edition headline.); Deer's pain triggers gun drama at Cape Breton school (All but Toronto edition headline.) Two police officers with guns drawn executed a high-risk take-down on a natural resources officer after he wandered unannounced onto a Cape Breton schoolyard carrying a shotgun. The resources officer was on a mercy mission to shoot an injured deer when he drove to Memorial High School in Sydney Mines, N.S. The officer, whose area of expertise is forestry, arrived at the school on Monday afternoon in his own unmarked pickup truck wearing blue jeans and a black sweatshirt. A teacher and panicked students watched as the man, carrying his gun in a case, walked toward the woods near the schoolyard. The teacher summoned Constable Mike Rolfe, an officer with the Cape Breton Regional Police, who is stationed inside the high school. Const. Rolfe called for backup and, with Const. Darren MacDonald, approached the gunman. The police officers drew their guns, ordered the man to lie on his stomach and handcuffed him. He produced identification after a few stressful moments. "It did raise a lot of anxiety among the kids and the staff, with everything that is going on in schools these days, especially in the United States," said Const. Rolfe, a 13-year police veteran who is a liaison officer at the school of 1,244 students. "We didn't know why he was there, so we went through the proper procedures of taking an armed man down." A school secretary had called the Nova Scotia Department of Natural Resources to report a sighting of an injured deer, but the officer did not announce his arrival and no one told Const. Rolfe or the rest of the school the natural resources officer was coming. Mike Giles, a Grade 11 student, said the incident raised some alarm in school, but he can understand the gunman's point of view. "He could have waited until after school," he said. "He should have called before he entered school property. He could have identified himself and announced himself, but he was just doing his job also. The guy had a job to do." Joe MacDougall, the school principal, said: "I want to put this behind us and just move on. It happened, it was dealt with and it's over." Earlier, in interviews with local media, Mr. MacDougall blasted the natural resources officer for unprofessional conduct. "The whole issue was basically a communication breakdown," said Angela Campbell, a spokeswoman for the Department of Natural Resources. She said department policies have been clarified for conservation officers to make sure they wear some sort of identifying uniform and make their presence known to local authorities before going into public areas with . "Obviously, this should have been done differently from our part and the school's part and we hope it never happens again," she said. 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