From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 10 May, 2001 21:17 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #762 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 03 : Number 762 In this issue: Police allege escaped convict used aliases to obtain firearms [Fwd: Letter to the Editor] David Austin is Misinformed COLUMN: 'A Right That Carries Responsibilities' Tom Wappel Re: Miramichi CFC Employees E-MAIL Addresses Digest 761 Property Rights ?? Re: Submachine-guns seized Reported stolen, recovered and then "destroyed"?? Fwd: Turkey hunter attacked... When will 'they' begin to think re:WOW Fw: Who What Where When Why !!!??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:39:56 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Police allege escaped convict used aliases to obtain firearms PUBLICATION GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: THU MAY.10,2001 PAGE: A8 BYLINE: CLASS: National News SOURCE: CP EDITION: National DATELINE: BELLEV - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Armed robber enjoyed a cushy life on the run, police say - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Canadian Press BELLEVILLE, ONT. A prison escaper recaptured after almost 30 years on the lam lived the high life while using multiple identities, police say. Keith Lawrence was arrested peacefully Monday in the Eastern Ontario city of Belleville, ending a 29-year cat-and-mouse game with police forces across the country. Mr. Lawrence escaped in 1972 from Collins Bay Penitentiary in Kingston, where he was serving a 12-year sentence for armed robbery. Investigators allege that the aliases Edward Brownlie, Edward T. McCord and Edward Corbett had all been used at some point by Mr. Lawrence to avoid jail and to obtain . York Region Police say they knew Mr. Lawrence as Mr. McCord of Toronto. But unravelling Mr. Lawrence's other identities may take months, Detective Constable Mike Doucette said. "These aliases are going to be forwarded to other police services across Canada," Det. Constable Doucette said. "We won't be laying any charges in Belleville. We have found no wrongdoing here." Contrary to the Hollywood image of the fugitive living out of a gunnysack and eluding police by sleeping under railway trestles, Mr. Lawrence wanted for nothing, said a family friend who asked not to be identified. For example, a new $45,000 truck sat in Mr. Lawrence's driveway, his two hunting dogs went to a special training school in Florida, and, from time to time, he travelled to remote destinations in Alaska and Canada's Arctic by helicopter for hunting trips. He also wore expensive clothes and showered friends and family with gifts. "It does seem odd; I would be wearing clothes from Wal-Mart so as not to attract any attention," the friend said. Mr. Lawrence and his wife, Sandy, are known to have lived in Toronto in the late 1970s, Calgary in the early 1980s, Toronto again in 1988, and in 1991 the couple moved to Vancouver. They returned to her hometown of Belleville last summer. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:40:00 -0600 From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca (Michael Ackermann) Subject: [Fwd: Letter to the Editor] Sent this to ~25 papers today. M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca To: ". Newsroom" Subject: Letter to the Editor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is in response to Scarborough SW MP Wappel's response to Veteran Baxter's request for help. I am a salaried rural physician with Emergency Room responsibilities. As such I am a public servant. Imagine the reaction of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Nova Scotia (CPSNS - doctors' licensing authority) were I to accept patients selectively based on their political affiliation and voting histories. I would be severely disciplined and, if unrepentant, suspended from the practice of Medicine. In a Democracy the Constituents are an MP's only true licensing authority. It is unfortunate that they can exercise this authority only at election time because if ever an arrogant, despotic, little stuffed shirt needed recall, Mr Wappel is the one. I'd suggest Wappel review his oath of office, and I am very concerned about the apparent breach of one of Canada's most basic democratic principles, namely the secret ballot. The very reason we have secret ballots is precisely to prevent this kind of abuse of authority. For further information may I suggest the following link: http://www.report.ca/classics/p06i961216f.html Sincerely, - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca Hope for the best, Plan for the worst ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:40:06 -0600 From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca (Michael Ackermann) Subject: David Austin is Misinformed This is in response to Mr. David Austin's recent letter in the Toronto Sun (http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoSun/editorial.html). The appropriate sections of Bills C-68 and C-15 read as follows: C-68 84(3) "...the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:...(d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge (i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second, or (ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second." C-15 4(2) "...(2) Subparagraphs 84(3)(d)(i) and (ii) of the Act are replaced by the following: (i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or (ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules. 1995, c. 39, s.139." It is obvious when reading this that the use of the double negatives and the word "or" allows a very broad range of projectiles to fit the firearm definition. Note that not even the CFC's own Director of Communications understands the import of this flawed law. In fact what this law says is that something is a firearm if its projectile exceeds either of two criteria (velocity, energy), but not necessarily both. Paintballs easily exceed the 5.7 joule energy limit, as do baseballs, soccer balls, thrown cushions and thousands of other every day objects. This is just one of the reasons why C-68 and C-15 should have been scrapped long ago. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca Hope for the best, Plan for the worst ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:39:54 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: COLUMN: 'A Right That Carries Responsibilities' PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2001.05.10 EDITION: Toronto SECTION: Arts & Life PAGE: B20 COLUMN: 'A Right That Carries Responsibilities' SOURCE: The Associated Press ILLUSTRATION: Color Photo: John McCain - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Coming attraction: U.S. Senator plugs gun safety - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Moviegoers in the United States will soon get a 30-second lesson in gun safety along with their popcorn. Beginning May 18, a public-service spot featuring John McCain, a Republican Senator from Arizona, talking about gun safety will play among the trailers on 2,500 screens in 44 states. In the ad, McCain, standing on a school playground, urges adults to keep guns locked up and encourages children to tell a parent or a teacher if they hear someone talk about using a gun. "Because what you do today may save a friend's life tomorrow," McCain says. "In this great country, owning a gun is a right that carries responsibilities," the former presidential candidate and Vietnam War veteran says. Americans for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group, is paying US$250,000 to run the ad for one month in 210 cities. Jonathan Cowan, president of the Washington, D.C.-based group, said the message is being taken to movie theatres to catch the attention of kids and parents as the summer movie season kicks off. Cowan said the group was also focusing on movies to remind children "that the use of guns as entertainment in movies is not something anyone wants to see in real life." Americans for Gun Safety estimates that 40,000 children take guns to school each year. The group is also launching a safety program online. The ad will appear in every state except Alabama, Alaska, Connecticut, Idaho, Hawaii and Utah. Jim Baker, chief lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, said the message of the movie spots is a good one. But he said it belies Americans for Gun Safety's broader agenda of more stringent gun-control measures, which NRA opposes. The ad makes no mention of gun control, but McCain and Democratic Senator Joseph Lieberman are planning to introduce legislation later this month designed to close a loophole that allows weapons to be purchased at gun shows without a background check. Democratic Senator Jack Reed has already introduced similar legislation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:43:46 -0600 From: "Alan Harper" Subject: Tom Wappel >The following Url is to a petition to have Tom Wappel >removed from Parliament. His refusal to help an ancient seaman because he >voted >against the Liberals in the last Election is a disgrace to Government and >an >Insult to every Canadian. > >http://www.petitiononline.com/prtw/petition.html > >Gordon Hitchen ============ Tom Wappel used to be my M.P. in Toronto. I am now working in Toronto again and I dropped in to see Mr. Wappel yesterday at his office, on Kennedy Road, one block north of St. Clair Avenue. He was not there. I did find out that he will be having a public forum, and it is a celebration, for it is his 100th public forum. It is on June 4th, at 7:30 PM. The location is Norman Cook Jr. school, 725 Danforth Rd., Toronto. Let's help Tom Wappel celebrate his 100th public forum by being present and asking questions about how Tom represents his constituents. Please advise me in advance if you're going. You can call me during the week in Toronto. Bye. Al. rharper@cgocable.net SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:54:22 -0600 From: "Alan Harper" Subject: Re: Miramichi CFC Employees > > MARCH 3rd: 700 people in Miramichi marched to the MP's office to protest >layoffs caused by privatization of the gun registry > > Serves them right! They have been spreading the lies about how >almost all of the firearms owners are licensed instead of telling the >true facts and that they have only scratched the surface. Now all the >B.S. that they have participated in promoting has come home---Too Bad, >What Goes Around Comes Around! ENJOY! - ---- I can't gloat over some poor suckers who found a job answering the phones. Sure, lay them off, but don't kick them when they are down. They are just working people who were lied to by the government. ========= > > "However, the union believes the federal government plans to privatize >the >entire licencing and registration system, taking all the workers off the >federal >payroll and with no guarantees a private company would hire any of them." > > Why would a private company hire them. Companys hire people who are >Honest and Truthful in their work--that way the company can count on >them. > Union has no guts eighter. If they did they would be spreading the >word that only approx. one quarter of the licensing of owners has been >accomplished---therefore the workers are still needed. But the union >must be tied tight to a government tit someplace because they are real >quite about this. Sure hope those workers are REAL HAPPY that they have >paid all those union dues and got.????????????????????for it from the >union---not even truth about unfinished job!!! - ------ The union tied to a government tit? That's nonsense. I am active in my union (being the sh!t disturber that I am). We find that the federal government (I sort mail) lies to us all the time. They stole $30 billion dollars from the federal pension plan, via Bill C-78. They legislated us back to work with a 1.9% pay increase (less than the company was offering), via Bill C-24, while they legislated themselves a 16% increase. They suck money from Canada Post annually ($200 million + last year) while using the company for pork-barrel patronage appointments and ordering those appointees to provide Lieberal cronies with lucrative contracts. My union, CUPW, fights the government for information and to protect our rights and I suspect that the union in Miramichi is doing the same. Don't blame the union for government duplicity and prevarication. Bye. Al. rharper@cgocable.net SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:52:26 -0600 From: "Gordon Hitchen" Subject: E-MAIL Addresses Here are the email addresses of all Alliance members of Parliament. BurtoA@parl.gc.ca ; HangeA@parl.gc.ca ; HintoB@parl.gc.ca ; MillsB@parl.gc.ca ; FitzpB@parl.gc.ca ; PalliB@parl.gc.ca ; SkeltC@parl,gc.ca ; PensoC@parl.gc.ca ; GallaC@parl.gc.ca ; CadmaC@parl.gc.ca ; StrahC@parl.gc.ca ; JohnsD@parl.gc.ca ; StinsD@parl.gc.ca ; AnderD@parl.gc.ca ; ChattD@parl.gc.ca ; GreyD@parl.gc.ca ; ObrhaD@parl.gc.ca ; AblonD@parl.gc.ca ; HarriD@parl.gc.ca ; BreitG@parl.gc.ca ; RitzG@parl.gc.ca ; LunnG@parl.gc.ca ; HillG@parl.gc.ca ; McNalG@parl.gc.ca ; GrewaG@parl.gc.ca ; HilstH@parl.gc.ca ; MarkI@parl.gc.ca ; LuneJ@parl.gc.ca ; MooreJ@parl.gc.ca ; KenneJ@parl.gc.ca ; HillJ@parl.gc.ca ; AbbotJ@parl.gc.ca ; GoukJ@parl.gc.ca ; PankiJ@parl.gc.ca ; PeschJ@parl.gc.ca ; CummiJ@Parl.gc.ca ; DuncaJ@parl.gc.ca ; ReynoJ@parl.gc.ca ; WilliJ@parl.gc.ca ; MartiK@parl.gc.ca ; EppK@parl.gc.ca ; SpencL@parl.gc.ca ; BenoiL@parl.gc.ca ; YelicL@parl.gc.ca ; VellaM@parl.gc.ca ; SolbeM@parl.gc.ca ; ThompM@parl.gc.ca ; ForseP@parl.gc.ca ; GoldrP@parl.gc.ca ; MayfiP@parl.gc.ca ; ManniP@parl.gc.ca ; JaffeR@parl.gc.ca ; WhiteR@parl.gc.ca ; ElleyR@parl.gc.ca ; CassoR@Parl.gc.ca ; AnderR@parl.gc.ca ; MerriR@parl.gc.ca ; BaileR@parl.gc.ca ; ReidS@parl.gc.ca ; WhiteT@parl.gc.ca ; MeredV@parl.gc.ca ; ToewsV@parl.gc.ca ; SchmiW@parl.gc.ca ; CamerM@parl.gc.ca ; LevanE@parl.gc.ca ; GyapoD@parl.gc.ca ; astairs@pei.sympatico.ca ; bill.boyd@sk.sympatico.ca ; dechertr@gowlings.com ; cathersadventures@yahoo.com ; margotkoop@hotmail.com ; cliff@canadianalliance.ca ; reduceyourtaxes@mts.net ; longd@nbnet.nb.ca ; salmonco@cadvision.com ; dsimard@mts.net ; don&carie@telus.net ; dmorgan@link.ca ; drkemp@nf.sympatico.ca ; dgrimson@fvcu.com ; schenstead@sk.sympatico.ca ; geetsang@sk.sympatico.ca ; george@nb.sympatico.ca ; freda.stewart@sympatico.ca ; mcdonaldb@bennettjones.ca ; jcapobianco@ggacomm.ca ; kalopsis@aol.com ; klangley@ns.sympatico.ca ; audlen@tallships.ca ; LorneSamson@sprint.ca ; markm@dracoassociates.com ; sentgrp@direct.ca ; mcstl@videotron.ca ; nanbran@istar.ca ; Nat.Mike@ns.sympatico.ca ; pwhite@hollingerinc.com ; Rick_Anderson@msn.com ; beard@inforamp.net ; rodfarrell@ns.sympatico.ca ; rodlove@home.com ; sclr@home.com ; tmacdcom@home.com ; Tom_Long@monitor.com ; wjmcgill@uniserve.com ; there is one error Skelt- I do not have the correct address. Gordon Hitchen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:11:15 -0600 From: awp@datanet.ab.ca Subject: Digest 761 Property Rights ?? "Machine Guns had been stolen from a collection in Yellowknife and were in a home in Victoria." Police executed a search warrant at the address and seized the weapons, which were sent to the Provincial Center for destruction, said deputy police chief Geoff Varley. ?? Stolen from a legally owned collection? Why are they not being returned as recovered "Property" Is not a court order to destroy said recovered property ??? Just a few questions from an ancient old bastard. Al " FREEDOM " For those who Fought, Bled and Died for It "FREEDOM" has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:14:03 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Re: Submachine-guns seized PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2001.05.10 SOURCE: Times Colonist - - ------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Submachine-guns seized - - ------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- Victoria police recovered two submachine-guns from a house (snip)... had been stolen from a collection in Yellowknife (snip)... Police executed a search warrant at the address and seized the weapons, which were sent to the Provincial Centre for destruction, said deputy police chief Geoff Varley. - ------------------------------ Hmmmmmmm... "stolen from a collection in Yellowknife" "sent to the Provincial Centre for destruction" Wasn't part of the "selling" features of C68 that "stolen firearms" could be traced and "returned to their rightful owners"????? Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:36:10 -0600 From: "Karl Schrader" Subject: Reported stolen, recovered and then "destroyed"?? Even if they were not hunting firearms, they were reported stolen from a collection and must have been properly registered and then the police sent them for destruction and did not return them to the proper owner?? The registration, according to Rock et al was supposed trace back and return to owner?? The F.A. in "real" action ! Something fishy here or just sloppy reporting again ?? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Victoria police recovered two submachine-guns from a house in the Hillside-Quadra area last week. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca On April 28, police received information that a MP5 and a Cobray, described by police as assault weapons, had been stolen from a collection in Yellowknife and were in a home in Victoria. Police executed a search warrant at the address and seized the weapons, which were sent to the Provincial Centre for destruction, said deputy police chief Geoff Varley. No one was arrested. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:02:25 -0600 From: "Linda & Rory" Subject: Fwd: Turkey hunter attacked... Turkey-calling hunter attacked by coyotes ====================================================== CLIFTON PARK, New York (AP) -- An upstate New York turkey hunter is receiving rabies shots after he was attacked by coyotes. A wildlife expert says the coyotes may have mistaken the hunter for a turkey. DoN'T Be a JeRKY CLiCK HeRe TuRKeY: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/05/09/turkey.hunter.bitten.ap/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:28:37 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: When will 'they' begin to think This is not a 'political' commentary: Advertisement in the men's washroom, in the Husky Service Centre at Bradford on the #400, between Toronto and Barrie. This is also not a commercial message. It is an Outrageous Cycle sticker, and simply says "Stock is Crock" (705)792-0012. (They sell cross-country, two-cycle bikes). This IS a political commentary. First Debra Gray, the #1 Reformer, gets the boot, Art Hanger follows, the Party diddles with founder Preston's office - and then his H of C seat. Now MP Gary Lunn (Saanich-Gulf Islands) has also been suspended from the CA caucus. I want all to know that Gary Lunn was the ONLY member of the CA who took up the issue of the federal Liberals refusal to extend the emergency responders $1,000 tax credit - to the 4,000 member Canadian Coast Guard Auxiliary (CCGA) - because, in the words of Minister of Finance, Paul Martin they were "unpaid volunteers". Martin claimed the allowance was only intended to provide "volunteer firefighters, volunteer ambulance technicians and personnel involved in the search and rescue of lost or injured persons." So the legislation clearly read. But Martin said NO. This benefit could only be used to shield income from "paid volunteer work". The CCGA said, "No problem, give us a tax credit." Only MP Lunn came to the aid of the 4,000 CCGA members with some 1,600 privately owned, volunteer SAR vessels. Oh yes, three fed Lib MPs saw the error of their ways and supported the cause - and then buckled under caucus solidarity. They were criticizing Liberal legislation. In the same fashion, Liberal MPs recently voted down a Bill to increase essential aid to farmers - due to caucus solidarity and the embarrassing rejection of a 'good' CA Bill. As a member of the CA I was 'promised' a 'new way' od governing; I'm disappointed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:38:10 -0600 From: Barry Snow Subject: re:WOW The term "WOW" is an American reference from WWII advertisements for Women Ordinance Workers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:03:18 -0600 From: "ed tudor" Subject: Fw: Who What Where When Why !!!??? >What is the point of having a secret ballet at election >time if MP's are going to go rummaging through the >ballots to see who voted for them. >The idea of secret ballot is or was to keep just such >things from happening shame on elections canada >for not seeking an investigation and or inquiry into >how this atrocious situation come to be permitted!!! > >ED > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #762 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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