From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 16 May, 2001 15:54 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #771 Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 03 : Number 771 In this issue: Fw: An Open Letter to the PM Taxpayer funded disinformation Re: GunsSaveLives> Waxman, 50 cal: The Face of Evil by Jeff Elkins Re: re: cop who committed suicide NUMBER OF FIREARMS OFFICERS IN ONTARIO RE: An Open Letter to the PM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:01:09 -0600 From: "med2" <929200@ican.net> Subject: Fw: An Open Letter to the PM February 17, 2001 Prime Minister Jean Chretien, Ottawa, Ont. Canada Dear Prime Minister Chretien, On January 26, 2001 my wife Colleen, my best friend and soul mate died = as result of Breast Cancer, she was 37. Following her death I tried to find = out more about cancer and what is being done about it in Canada, what I = found is disturbing. The National Cancer Institute of Canada. for the year 2000, estimated = 19,200 new cases of breast cancer were found and 5,500 Canadians died from the disease. In Canada during a woman's lifetime she has a one in nine = chance of being diagnosed with beast cancer. Many forms of cancer are also on the rise. To this Canada, through the Honorable Allan Rock, (Minister responsible for Health), announced it would dedicate $7 Million annually = for breast cancer research. In contrast I read statistics from a Canadian Firearms Centre report = (1995) which indicated there were 193 firearms related homicides and 63 firearms accident fatalities for study year in Canada. = To this Canada has dedicated between $550,000,000 to a billion dollars over = the past five years. Exact figures were impossible to determine in the maze = of bureaucracy and political maneuvering being used to buffer the true = costs. I tried to balance the tragic loss of 256 firearms deaths (suicides excluded) with the annual loss of 5,500 breast cancer victims against = the tax dollars your government has dedicated to these two issues. The = imbalance is staggering. Your government has squandered hundreds of millions of dollars on a gun registration initiative which will not serve Canadians while doing little to combat cancer which will touch, in a devastating = way, almost every Canadian. Canada has a history of medical achievements where Canadians have = conducted research and found drugs that have helped countless people throughout Canada and the world. We should be proud of = this history and continue to aggressively pursue contrivutions. I cannot help but believe that if your Government had reversed the = figures you spent on cancer research with the gun registration initiative Colleen would still be at my side and Canadians would be as safe from firearms as they were 5 years ago or will ever be. = A shameful Canadian tragedy. As Prime Minister you are in a position to change the future. Reconsider = the direction your government has taken and make positive changes to address a real Canadian and world issue. Cancer can = be beaten if you have the courage to change your government's priorities. I wanted to write this letter to you alone however I soon realized the layers of bureaucracy would prevent a single voice from being heard or considered. Instead I decided to write in a more public = form and humbly represent the 5,500 Canadians who die of breast cancer each = year and their families who also deserve to know if our Prime Minister has = the courage to be proud and make a difference. I look forward to a response = and hope your actions will speak louder than your words. Thank You Al Breitkreutz Kamloops British Columbia >From BCWF Magazine The Outdoor Edge ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:07:34 -0600 From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: Taxpayer funded disinformation The following is posted at: http://www.med.ualberta.ca/acicr/ "A home with a gun is five times more likely to be the scene of a suicide and three times more likely to have a homicide than a home without a gun." It cites the NEJM and Kellerman. Coalition for Gun Control also gets mentioned. Anyone wishing to contact the Minister responsible for spending taxpayers' money on this dis/misinformation can write The Honourable G. Mar at the Alberta Legislature, Edmonton, or via email at gmar@assembly.ab.ca Firearm Safety  You must successfully pass the federally legislated Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC) and/or the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course (CRFSC) in order to acquire and possess a firearm. 2  For additional safety courses, contact your nearest gun club.  Always point the gun in a safe direction. It is generally safest to point the gun upwards or downwards.  Never point a gun at a person, even if you think it is unloaded.  Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.  Keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.  When handling or cleaning a gun, never leave it unattended.  Be responsible - do not leave the keys to the firearms storage cabinet easily accessible to children or others. It is best if only one person knows where the keys are kept safe. Children and Guns Given the links between access to firearms and firearm deaths in children, the most effective way to reduce injury is to reduce access to firearms. 3  Children are most at risk for firearm injuries when they are left at home unsupervised and have access to a gun. 4  Your child is at risk even if your household does not own a gun as they can encounter one at a friend's, neighbour's or relative's home or at school.  In addition to assuring your guns are safely stored, instruct your children on the risks associated with guns.  Make sure your children know never to pick up a gun if they find one and to tell you or another adult immediately. Firearm safety in Alberta is a shared responsibility. If you would like more information on this topic, contact: Canadian Firearms Centre, Department of Justice, Government of Canada phone 1-800-731-4000 Coalition for Gun Control  www.guncontrol.ca phone (416) 604-0209 (Toronto), (514) 528-2358 (Montreal) The Alberta Centre for Injury Control and Research (ACICR) provides coordination and support for organizations and professionals in injury control. phone (780) 492-6019  fax (780) 492-7154  acicr@ualberta.ca Firearm injuries occur with:  Handguns  Rifles Shotguns  BB pellet guns  Semi-automatic  weapons  Air guns Alberta Centre for Injury Control & Research  4075 EDC, 8308 - 114 St. Edmonton, AB, T6G 2V2 tel 780.492.6019  fax 780.492.7154  acicr@ualberta.ca  www.med.ualberta.ca/acicr Firearm Safety (continued from other side) 10/99 To receive additional copies of this Act sheet, contact the Alberta Centre for Injury Control and Research or check out our website at www. med.ualberta.ca/acicr Firearm Safety Did you know ... Firearms result in more than 1300 deaths in Canada each year. 5 Alberta has the highest percentage of homes with guns of all the provinces. 6 A home with a gun is five times more likely to be the scene of a suicide and three times more likely to have a homicide than a home without a gun. 7 FIREARM-RELATED INJURIES We are all at risk for firearm-related injuries when guns fall into the hands of an innocent child, angry spouse, or suicidal youth or adults. The misuse of firearms results in:  Injury  Homicides  Suicides  Unintentional shootings Preventing Firearm-Related Injuries The best prevention from firearm-related injuries is not to store guns in your home, especially if children and youth live or visit with you. FIREARM STORAGE You are legally required to store unrestricted firearms (rifles and shotguns) in the following manner: 1  Unloaded, and  In a storage container under lock and key that cannot be broken into or, inoperable by means of a secure locking device or removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, and  Where ammunition is not readily accessible, unless it is stored in a separate, locked container, that cannot be broken into. It is best to store ammunition and guns in different locations. There are specific storage guidelines for every type of firearm. Contact the Canadian Firearms Centre to ensure that you are storing your firearm safely and legally. Failure to store guns safely is a criminal offence in Canada. 1 (continued on other side) 1 Department of Justice Canada. Firearms Act Regulations (1998) 2 Canadian Firearms Centre. Safety Courses. (1999) http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/cfm/ 3 Leonard KA, 'Firearm Safety Courses for Elementary School-Age Children', Canadian Journal of Public Health (Jan/Feb 1999) vol 90 no 1, 35-36 4 National SAFEKIDS Campaign - Unintentional Firearm Injury http://www.safekids.org/ 5 Canadian Firearms Centre. Focus on Firearms. (1999) 6 Department of Justice "Fact Sheet: Number of Firearm Owners and Firearms in Canada" (1997) 7 Kellermann AL et al., 'Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home', New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) (Oct 1993) vol 329 no 15, 1084-1091 and 'Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership', NEJM Aug 1992, vol 327 no 7, 467-472 Alberta Centre for Injury Control & Research  4075 EDC, 8308 - 114 St. Edmonton, AB, T6G 2V2 tel 780.492.6019  fax 780.492.7154  acicr@ualberta.ca  www.med.ualberta.ca/acicr 10/99 ______________________________ Richard A. Fritze Barrister & Solicitor (780) 449-3808 - Phone (780) 464-6707 - Fax www.fritze.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:09:10 -0600 From: "N. L. Cobb" Subject: Re: GunsSaveLives> Waxman, 50 cal: The Face of Evil by Jeff Elkins I think that a message that fairly leaped off of our television screens as we watched "The .50 Caliber Militia." Regardless of how much money you may be offered, notwithstanding how sympathetic to the Second Amendment they may appear to be, despite how much you may long to tell your story and even if our cause is just, DO NOT TALK TO THE NEWS MEDIA! Unfortunately, the news media, hiding behind the First Amendment, is and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, the implacable enemy of firearms owners. No if's, no ands, no buts; "journalists" believe that shooters are counter-revolutionaries who must be politically neutered as quickly and as thoroughly as possible. Imagine, if you will, what MSNBC could have "aired" had every gun-owner in the US (and Canada) declined to be interviewed. Right --- all that it would have had to present to the gullible public were the fumings of a self-serving politician (Mr. Waxman) and the musings of a handful of high level law-enforcement bureaucrats. But for whatever file-footage of civilian shooting ranges, military applications of the "fifty," and militias are in NBC's archives, it could have displayed nothing. No civilian owned .50 rifles, no foolish statements of well meaning but naive .50 BMG owners, and no thinly veiled threats against the government uttered by militia members. Would MSNBC have been able to sell it's "no gun-owners participation" presentation to it's advertisers? Probably not. Guns and the injudicious comments of their owners were what made "The 50 Caliber Militia" commercially viable. Take away those two and what percentage of television watchers would have troubled themselves to see the program? Damn few. In fact, so few that the outfits with the big advertising budgets would have declined to buy it. During the Second World War the government (which was very different then) cautioned Americans that "Loose lips sink ships," which was to say, don't talk about what you know about the war effort. Well, friends - we are presently in a war of sorts for our political survival. If you wish to retain your right to own firearms one of the most important things that you can do, when queried by the news media, is to keep your mouth shut! Norm - ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Lamoreaux" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: GunsSaveLives> Waxman, 50 cal: The Face of Evil by Jeff Elkins > http://thePentagon.com/training > http://thunderranchinc.com > | > http://www.lewrockwell.com/elkins/elkins10.html > > The Face of Evil > by Jeff Elkins > > MSNBC, in its documentary The .50-caliber militia has been kind enough > to > reveal the true nature of one of the state's most noxious > congresspersons: > Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California. > > The central figure of the MSNBC Investigates documentary is Bob Stewart, > creator of the Maadi-Griffin .50 caliber rifle kit. Very popular with > enthusiasts, the Maadi-Griffin retails for under $1,600 compared to > $8,000 > for a Barrett .50 caliber rifle. The Maadi-Griffin also has the added > advantage of having no serial numbers and under current law, buyers do > not > have to register the kits with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and > Firearms. > > Rep. Waxman wants to change that, pronto. In fact, Waxman wants to > reclassify all .50 caliber rifles as either destructive devices or Class > III weapons, thus making them effectively unavailable to commoners. > Actually, what Waxman really wants is to take away all your guns.so he > can > enslave you - or kill you. > > I'd like to illustrate with some choice Waxman quotes, interspersing my > comments. > > Quoting Waxman: "I don't think everybody has a right to a weapon that > can > be used to kill innocent people and maybe threaten the life of a > president > of the United States." > > That could cover something as prosaic as a butter knife. Reagan was shot > with a cheap .22 caliber revolver. What Waxman is saying here is that > you > have no right to any weapon. > > Quoting Waxman: "The legislation we're trying to get through would > upgrade > the classification of .50-caliber weapons to the same level as machine > guns > and other similar kinds of weapons." > > Until 1934, it was not at all uncommon for free Americans to own > select-fire weaponry. Technically, you still can, but the hoops you have > to > jump through combined with the inflated cost and waiting period makes > ownership of any Class III device impractical for most citizens. > Additionally, I would never purchase a Class III weapon under the > constraints currently imposed by the State . God only knows what kind of > list that would put you on at BATF central. > > Quoting Waxman: "This kind of weapon can blow up a limousine or a > helicopter, can take out a vehicle, armored vehicle, maybe even a mile > away. It can shoot through seven buildings!" > > This begins to get to the core of Waxman's fear. Who commonly rides in > limousines, helicopters, and armored vehicles? He's afraid of the very > citizens he was elected to represent. His fear of the general citizenry > lurks behind every word from his statist mouth. In addition to fearing > you, > he hates you as well. > > Quoting Waxman: "I don't believe we should wait until another tragedy > takes > place before we act in an appropriate, common-sense way." > > Another tragedy? I'm unaware of any crimes committed with a .50 caliber > rifle. No school shootings, bank robberies, assassinations or car > jackings > accomplished with the aid of a .50 caliber rifle have been reported, to > my > knowledge. Anyone who can afford a .50 caliber rifle is probably fairly > upstanding, at least in an economic sense. > > Quoting Waxman: "If they are militia people who think they're going to > defend America from Americans by having these weapons, and using them > for > that purpose, I don't think they ought to have them." > > I'm ecstatic that the honorable Representative Waxman was not an > attendee > for the events following a certain shot heard in Concord many, many > years > ago. Perhaps his spiritual forefathers were.we called them Tories and > most > of them fled to Canada. They seem to have made a comeback, > unfortunately. > > > Quoting Waxman: "If I had my druthers, I'd go further than legislation. > I > don't wanna see some people with this weapon at all." > > I don't "wanna" see a statist slavemaster like Waxman as an elected > official of my country and it is amazing that so-called citizens would > elect such a peculiar animal to a position of street sweeper, much less > to > the United States House of Representatives. It almost makes one think > fondly of the poll tax and perhaps a property ownership requirement for > voting. And I'm curious as to what he means by "further than > legislation." > Concentration camps, perhaps? > > Quoting Waxman: "If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to > start > using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that > these people have these weapons at all!" > > I saved the worst quote for last. Please read that quote. Then read it > again and memorize it. It's the perfect illustration of the face of evil > we > confront. Waxman is correct to be nervous. In fact, he should be > terrified. > > I rather think he is, don't you? > > May 16, 2001 > > Jeff Elkins [send him mail] is a freelance consultant and writer living > in > North Central Florida. His personal website is located at > www.elkins.org. > > Copyright © 2001 LewRockwell.co ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:42:04 -0600 From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: At 11:00 PM 2001/05/15 -0600, you wrote: > > Has this type of restriction occurred anywhere else? > >I guess this is the point where you put a notice in the paper as advice to >local >residents that due to the closure of the range by the local Liberal Firearms >Office (insert name here), all recreational shooting, sighting in, etc, would >now be taking place in the local woods rather than at the range as before. Excellent idea Rick. Also, can you email me privately Rick? diarmani@axion.net Thanks! Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:45:59 -0600 From: "Carlo Robazza" Subject: re: cop who committed suicide It was mentioned that he had 15 long guns and 2 handguns that were seized from his home. So, where did he get the handgun that he committed suicide with on a city street if all his guns were in his home? Carlo. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:52:39 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: NUMBER OF FIREARMS OFFICERS IN ONTARIO Yesterday, I circulated information provided to the Library of Parliament by the Ontario CFO's office with respect to the number of "designated" Firearms Officers in Ontario. YESTERDAY'S NUMBERS: - - Barrie, Brantford, Chatham, Cornwall, Durham, Guelph, Halton, Hamilton, Kingston, London (2), Niagara Falls, Smith Falls, North Bay, Kenora, Ottawa, Peel Region, Peterborough, Sarnia, Sault Ste Marie, Sudbury, Thunder Bay, North York, Cambridge, Windsor, York Region (2), Chatham-Kent, Anishinabek, Nishnawbe-aski. FOR A TOTAL OF 30 "designated" Firearms Officers working in these 28 locations. The Ontario CFO says the other 44 "designated" Firearms Officers are located in the CFO's central office in Orillia. REVISED INFORMATION RECEIVED TODAY: 1 AFO - Anishinabek Police Service 1 AFO - Barrie Police Service 1 AFO - Brantford Police Service 1 AFO - Cornwall Police Service 1 AFO - Guelph Police Service 1 AFO - Nishnawbe-Aski Police Service (Cochrane, Ont.) 1 AFO - Nishnawbe-Aski Police Service (Sioux Lookout, Ont.) 1 AFO - North Bay Police Service 1 AFO - Peterborough Police Service 1 AFO - Sarnia Police Service 1 AFO - Sault Ste Marie Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Chatham-Kent Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Durham Regional Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Halton Region Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Hamilton-Wentworth Region Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Kingston Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - London Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Niagara Region Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Peel Region Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Sudbury Region Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Thunder Bay Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Waterloo Region Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - Windsor Police Service 1 AFO/1 PFO - OPP Central Region (Barrie, Ont.) 1 AFO/1 PFO - OPP Eastern Region (Smith Falls, Ont.) 1 AFO/1 PFO - OPP Northeast Region (North Bay, Ont.) 1 AFO/1 PFO - OPP Northwest Region (Kenora, Ont.) 1 AFO/1 PFO - OPP Western Region (London, Ont.) 1 AFO/2 PFOs - Ottawa Carlton Region Police Service 1 AFO/5 PFOs - Toronto Police Service 2 AFOs/1 PFO - York Region Police Service FOR A TOTAL OF 32 AFOs + 25 PFOs = 57 FIREARMS OFFICERS IN 31 LOCATIONS Note: Includes 27 Police Officers (4 S/Sgts, 7 Sgts, 16 Constables) QUESTION #1 - HOW MANY MORE "FIREARMS OFFICERS" ARE THERE WORKING FOR POLICE DEPARTMENTS OR O.P.P DETACHMENTS THAT AREN'T LISTED HERE? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:54:14 -0600 From: "Howard & Sharon Sims" Subject: RE: An Open Letter to the PM Could the Lieberal government not be charged with treason, because they are destroying the natural resourses of the country?? Howard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca]On Behalf Of med2 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Fw: An Open Letter to the PM February 17, 2001 Prime Minister Jean Chretien, Ottawa, Ont. Canada Dear Prime Minister Chretien, On January 26, 2001 my wife Colleen, my best friend and soul mate died = as result of Breast Cancer, she was 37. Following her death I tried to find = out more about cancer and what is being done about it in Canada, what I = found is disturbing. The National Cancer Institute of Canada. for the year 2000, estimated = 19,200 new cases of breast cancer were found and 5,500 Canadians died from the disease. In Canada during a woman's lifetime she has a one in nine = chance of being diagnosed with beast cancer. Many forms of cancer are also on the rise. To this Canada, through the Honorable Allan Rock, (Minister responsible for Health), announced it would dedicate $7 Million annually = for breast cancer research. In contrast I read statistics from a Canadian Firearms Centre report = (1995) which indicated there were 193 firearms related homicides and 63 firearms accident fatalities for study year in Canada. = To this Canada has dedicated between $550,000,000 to a billion dollars over = the past five years. Exact figures were impossible to determine in the maze = of bureaucracy and political maneuvering being used to buffer the true = costs. I tried to balance the tragic loss of 256 firearms deaths (suicides excluded) with the annual loss of 5,500 breast cancer victims against = the tax dollars your government has dedicated to these two issues. The = imbalance is staggering. Your government has squandered hundreds of millions of dollars on a gun registration initiative which will not serve Canadians while doing little to combat cancer which will touch, in a devastating = way, almost every Canadian. Canada has a history of medical achievements where Canadians have = conducted research and found drugs that have helped countless people throughout Canada and the world. We should be proud of = this history and continue to aggressively pursue contrivutions. I cannot help but believe that if your Government had reversed the = figures you spent on cancer research with the gun registration initiative Colleen would still be at my side and Canadians would be as safe from firearms as they were 5 years ago or will ever be. = A shameful Canadian tragedy. As Prime Minister you are in a position to change the future. Reconsider = the direction your government has taken and make positive changes to address a real Canadian and world issue. Cancer can = be beaten if you have the courage to change your government's priorities. I wanted to write this letter to you alone however I soon realized the layers of bureaucracy would prevent a single voice from being heard or considered. Instead I decided to write in a more public = form and humbly represent the 5,500 Canadians who die of breast cancer each = year and their families who also deserve to know if our Prime Minister has = the courage to be proud and make a difference. I look forward to a response = and hope your actions will speak louder than your words. Thank You Al Breitkreutz Kamloops British Columbia >From BCWF Magazine The Outdoor Edge ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #771 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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