From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Friday, 18 May, 2001 08:56 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #774 Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, May 18 2001 Volume 03 : Number 774 In this issue: Fw: Fishers Ottawa open to registering sex offenders Re: UnbeSTINKIN'lieveable!! More for the theologically interested It would make a great deal more sense Police Complaints Up FAC reference re Dalai Lama HOW WILL YOUR MUNICIPALITY VOTE? Snare Lake hunter bags big fine RCMP to enforce law in national parks Re: Editorial: Bush's gun initiative flawed more specific, Russell Editor: Liberals have certainly proven they can't run a gun regis try ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:09:17 -0600 From: "Bert van Ingen" Subject: Fw: Fishers Through personal sightings, confirmed roadkills and reliable reports from other residents over the past 6 months it is evident that Fishers have arrived in the forested suburbs of Ottawa. Some of the confirmed areas are Greely, Kars, North Gower, Stittsville and Kanata. Fishers are carnivorous cat-sized weasels that are skilled at climbing in trees. They are particularly adept at preying on porcupines by flipping them over to expose the unprotected underbelly. Expect to see a decline in ground-nesting birds, young racoons, Gray Squirrels and free-roaming house cats if these mammals "set up shop" here. The "anti-fur" campaigners may congratulate themselves for being the catalyst in this unprecedented wildlife invasion and they may also take all the credit for the glut of nuisance beavers throughout the area. Fishers have historically never been common and in all of Canada between 1950 and 1960 only 5000 pelts a year were sold, as compared to 300,000 beavers. Anti-fur advocates have forced fur trapping to become a non-viable economic activity for many Canadians in the past 20 years and the hundreds-of-year-old ecological "balance" has now been tipped to favour fur-bearers until either their food supply or human patience runs out. Bert van Ingen, Manotick, 692-4793 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:09:31 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Ottawa open to registering sex offenders PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2001.05.17 EDITION: National SECTION: Canada PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Luiza Chwialkowska SOURCE: National Post DATELINE: OTTAWA Canada ILLUSTRATION:Black & White Photo: Tom Hanson, The Canadian Press / Anne McLellan, the Minister of Justice, agreed yesterday to address concerns about tracking dangerous sex . McLellan will consult provincial ministers about legislative changes during a fall meeting. poem about lost innocence" by Robert Remington on page A8. HEADLINE: Ottawa open to registering sex offenders: Justice Minister tells Alliance critic she may introduce law OTTAWA - Anne McLellan, the Minister of Justice, said yesterday she is considering introducing a law to force convicted pedophiles and sex to continually register their whereabouts with law enforcement. The commitment came in response to a request by Vic Toews, the Alliance Justice critic, that the government do more to keep track of potentially dangerous sex . An existing federal registry that lists convicted criminals does not single out sex and does not force them to report their latest changes of address. "I am more than ready to engage in a discussion of changes to CPIC [the federal registry]," Ms. McLellan told the House of Commons Justice Committee. "I concede there is more work to be done," she told the committee. A Canadian Alliance motion to create a sex offender registry was passed unanimously by the House in March, but the Liberal government came under fire after Lawrence McAuley, the federal Solicitor-General, said the existing Canadian Police Information Centre already does the job. The Alliance motion would have required sex to register their whereabouts once a year. The Canadian Police Association said a mandatory registry focused on sex would help them uncover suspects more quickly after a crime is committed. Several provinces have said the existing system is not good enough. Ontario has already introduced its own registry, and Ralph Klein, the Alberta Premier said on Tuesday his province would move quickly to create a registry in the wake of the slaying of five-year-old Jessica Koopmans. Other provinces are studying similar changes. Ms. McLellan said she would "address possible legislative changes" during a meeting with provincial ministers in the fall, and promised to instruct Morris Rosenberg, the Deputy Minister of Justice, to discuss possible changes with provincial bureaucrats at a meeting next month. Mr. Toews said "major upgrades" are needed to improve the system and to authorize punishments for sex who do not comply. He also suggested a hearing system would be required to ensure only dangerous are included in the registry. "You raise a very important issue," Ms. McLellan told Mr. Toews. The Alberta registry would include all high-risk and allow for public notification of their presence in a community. "The police will be notified, the notification from the police will then go down to the communities so that they are aware there is an offender in the community," Heather Forsyth, Alberta's Solicitor-General said this week. "I am very please to see the Minister has committed to looking at that issue," said Mr. Toews after the committee meeting. "Unless she commits to putting a legislative provision or package into place, it's not going to happen," he said. Ms. McLellan also agreed to consider legislative changes to the use of so-called conditional sentences that allow some criminal to serve sentences in the community. She said she shared Mr. Toew's concern that judges may be applying the sentences in inappropriate circumstances, and said that Justice officials are monitoring their use. "This is an issue I find very difficult and troubling," she said. "I am more than willing to go in and make legislative changes if in fact we ... conclude these sentences are not being appropriately used and people are at large who are a danger to the community," she said. Ms. McLellan urged the all-party committee of MPs to hold hearings on the effectiveness of conditional sentencing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:15:24 -0600 From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Re: UnbeSTINKIN'lieveable!! UnbeSTINKIN'lieveable!! , the kid getting into trouble for making a drawing of a gun. To crank the paranoia up, just a tad, schools in the US are now giving a course on what to do when a gun man/woman rushes in to shoot up the place. No kidding, I saw this on a US border station. Some actor rushes in with a toy gun and the teacher starts to shout out instructions to do this or that. Its, "Duck and Cover" all over again. __________ Paul Chicoine (DSS) 0x3B0DB246 *Illegitimi non Carborundum* Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice ________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:15:38 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: More for the theologically interested Short Item from Keep and Bear Arms.com: The Priest and the Gun A priest was delivering a sermon entitled "Stand Still and let the good Lord Fight your battles," on the topic of not fighting but letting God vanquish evil himself. As he was delivering the sermon, a gust of wind lifted his garment and the congregation noticed he was carrying a gun. After the service a congregant asked him, "I understood your sermon, but aren't you contradicting yourself by carrying a gun? You did say you are supposed to let the Lord fight your battles for you?" "I did say that, yes," said the priest. "The gun is just to hold them off until the Lord gets here." An article by Larry Pratt: What does the bible say about gun control? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:15:31 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: It would make a great deal more sense HOUSE OF COMMONS DEBATES QUESTION PERIOD Thursday, May 17, 2001 UNEDITED COPY (Time posted: 15:53) Mr. Ken Epp (Elk Island, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, as the grandfather of four grandchildren, including five year old Kayla, my heart is grieved over what happened to Jessica Koopmans in Lethbridge. This five year old was innocently on her way to her friend's house when she was abducted and brutally murdered. How could anyone so violently attack a little girl? It is totally beyond comprehension. The person who did this is really sick. While the federal government dithers on a registry of sexual offenders and child molestors, the provincial governments are going ahead to set up their own. However, it would be much better to have a nationwide registry since it would track offenders everywhere instead of just in their home province. Alberta is fast-tracking the setting up of such a registry, following the lead of Ontario and British Columbia. I cannot understand why the federal government is doing nothing to set up a national registry to protect our children. It would make a great deal more sense than registering the long guns of law-abiding citizens who go hunting in fall. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:28:36 -0600 From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca (Michael Ackermann) Subject: Police Complaints Up "Police complaints up 30 per cent; Reasons for rise unclear, official report says" This appeared in the Toronto Star today. To me the reason is perfectly clear. The People no longer trust or respect the police because trust and respect are two way streets and the police have made it perfectly clear, by allowing a $200 million bribe to buy their continued support for the gun registry, that they don't trust or respect us. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca Hope for the best, Plan for the worst ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:30:13 -0600 From: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca (Michael Ackermann) Subject: FAC K + J, The Lieberal Appointee Cretinous Krony Asinine Dogbreath Afflicted Idiotic Sycophant Ingrate Corrupt As Lepers (LACKADAISICAL) bureaucrats have misled you. In 1978 the FAC (Firearms ACQUISITION Certificate) was introduced to screen those wishing to purchase or obtain firearms. Those already in possession of firearms were fully grandfathered as there was no provision for requiring a license to POSSESS firearms, only to ACQUIRE them. In fact you could legally let your FAC lapse as long as you didn't wish to ACQUIRE any more firearms. Therefore you are fully within the law to have POSSESSED your inherited firearms and, because you were given them BEFORE 1978 when the FAC was introduced you had absolutely NO NEED WHATSOEVER for any license. If I were you, I'd insist on my day in court. Get yourself a telephone recorder from Radio Shack and record all conversations with CFC. Don't let on you are recording (You are NOT required to unless you are doing third party tapping). Lead them through the whole process once again without being too obvious about it. Then insist on the decision in writing (they ARE OBLIGED to provide it). THEN insist that they charge you since they claim you are in violation of the law. Get it all on tape and paper. Then go to the media and also take THEM to court. Those stupid bastards have their heads shoved so far up their own ass holes that they are looking at you out of their own mouths. You will rock their little world!! Richard Fritz feel free to correct me if I have misinterpreted the law. Good Luck and Keep the Faith. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca Hope for the best, Plan for the worst ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:55:04 -0600 From: Dr Grant Bjornson Subject: reference re Dalai Lama Would someone please post a reference for the statement that the Dalai Lama endorses appropriate self defense? Thanks. -- GB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:55:17 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: HOW WILL YOUR MUNICIPALITY VOTE? FEDERATION OF CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES 2001 ANNUAL CONFERENCE BANFF, ALBERTA May 25-28, 2001 CATEGORY "A" RESOLUTIONS CSCP01.2.05 EVALUATION OF BILL C-68 INTRODUCED BY: Town of Port Hope and Hope, Ontario Key Contact: Councillor Ms. Linda Thompson WHEREAS the Honourable Allan Rock, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, stated on Thursday, February 16, 1995 during the House of Commons Debate over the second reading of Bill C-68: "We say that it will cost $85 million." "We are confident we will demonstrate that the figures are realistic and accurate"; WHEREAS the Honourable Allan Rock stated "This legislation will help us preserve the peaceful charter of Canadian society and help police fight crime and violence"; WHEREAS information obtained under Access to Information Act reveals the cost to taxpayers to be $325 million from 1995 to 1999; WHEREAS a large portion of the act was implemented in the year 2000 it is estimated the costs have ballooned to $300 million for the year 2000. User fees have been estimated to generate $16 million, thereby incurring a deficit of over $500 million; and WHEREAS the Canadian Police Association issued a news release asking the federal government for "the tools, resources and technology to compete with today's sophisticated criminals"; BE IT RESOLVED that the Federation of Canadian Municipalities petition the federal government to hold a public enquiry to evaluate the exorbitant deficit vs the intent of Bill C-68 to determine if this is the most cost effective way to preserve the peaceful charter of Canadian society and help the police fight crime and violence. FCM ASSESSMENT AND RECOMMENDATION It is premature to request a full-scale review of the Act before it is fully implemented. Staff recommendation "A"; Non-Concurrence. STANDING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION: Category "A"; Concurrence as amended. The Operative Clause now reads: BE IT RESOLVED that the Federation of Canadian Municipalities petition the federal government to evaluate the costs vs. the intent of Bill C-68, and make public the results of the enquiry, to determine if this is the most cost effective way to preserve the peaceful charter of Canadian society and help the police fight crime and violence. 2001 ANNUAL CONFERENCE DECISION NOTE: TO BE DEBATED AT THE FCM ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING IN BANFF, ALBERTA - May 25-28, 2001. For more details on the conference: www.fcm.ca . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:55:24 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Snare Lake hunter bags big fine PUBLICATION: Yellowknifer DATE: 2001.05.18 SECTION: General News PAGE: A17 COLUMN: Court Briefs BYLINE: Wilson, Kevin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Snare Lake hunter bags big fine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- It took territorial court Judge Brian Bruser a little less time than expected to come up with Frank Becker's sentence. Becker pleaded guilty last Tuesday to a charge of failing to report a lost firearm and five counts of violating the Territorial Wildlife Act and Big Game Regulations. Eight other wildlife and big game charges were dropped by the Crown. Bruser thanked the Crown and defence for their submissions and told the ourt he would impose sentence on May 23. However, Bruser wound up imposing fines in the amount of $2,495 Friday afternoon. The judge did not impose a hunting license ban or a ban, as requested by the Crown. Still, Bruser had some strong words for Becker, saying he had "failed to respect wildlife and laws," and that Becker had behaved, "unlawfully, destructively, irresponsibly and selfishly." Becker's co-accused, Bradley Christensen, was in court Tuesday. He pleaded guilty to two charges under the Wildlife Act. Three other charges were dropped. Christensen will be sentenced June 7. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:55:32 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: RCMP to enforce law in national parks PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2001.05.18 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: Alberta PAGE: A6 BYLINE: Wendy-Anne Thompson SOURCE: Calgary Herald DATELINE: Calgary - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- RCMP to enforce law in national parks: Park wardens lost bid to carry guns - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Park wardens will continue to be stripped of most of their duties as RCMP officers prepare to do wardens' jobs in Canada's national parks. On Thursday, Parks Canada official Tom Lee announced 140 additional RCMP officers will work in the country's 39 national parks, starting this weekend. They will be responsible for all law enforcement activities. Wardens are prohibited from carrying . They cannot perform the most minor of law enforcement activities, such as issuing a ticket or approaching the owner of an off-leash dog. ``Here we have Parks Canada replacing us with people who have sidearms but they don't want to give us sidearms. I don't understand it,'' said Doug Martin, assistant regional vice-president for Alberta and the north of the Public Service Alliance of Canada. The RCMP staffing is part of a one-year, $20-million interim plan for the parks. Parks Canada wanted to equip wardens with shotguns and rifles as part of the interim plan. But that idea was abandoned after one of Canada's health and safety officers objected to the idea, said Alan Latourelle, Parks Canada chief administrative officer. In February, a Canada Labour Code directive ordered Parks Canada to either issue sidearms to park wardens or remove them from unsafe working conditions. Parks Canada prohibited park wardens from patrolling parks, seizing evidence, interviewing violators, dealing with poachers and any activity that would require law enforcement. It also appealed the labour code directive. On Wednesday, Bob Grundie, the health and safety officer who issued the initial labour code order, called Parks Canada's interim plan unacceptable because of the provision for shotguns and rifles. ``It endorses the use of an inappropriate firearm for personal defensive purposes. Endorsing the use of a long arm for this purpose would be considered unprecedented within the Canadian law enforcement community,'' Grundie wrote to Parks Canada. ``Again I would like to reiterate as I did in my previous report that within the law enforcement community, the only firearm accepted as a primary defensive weapon is the sidearm.'' Martin, who filed the initial complaint with Human Resources Development Canada's labour program, said wardens agree with Grundie. ``We thought with Grundie's report, Parks Canada would do the right thing, but I don't know how many studies it will take for them to understand,'' Martin said. Wardens can only participate in resource management and public safety activities. Latourelle said Parks Canada is proceeding with the appeal process. He said the agency disagrees with Grundie's contention that any law enforcement activity would be a potential danger. ``From our perspective, when you look at the spectrum of law enforcement activities, there are some very minor ones,'' he said, referring to approaching pet owners with off-leash dogs. The plan will start Saturday to accommodate heavy park use during the long weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:55:10 -0600 From: "Keith P. de Solla" Subject: Re: Editorial: Bush's gun initiative flawed "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" wrote: > > PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal > DATE: 2001.05.17 > EDITION: FINAL > SECTION: Opinion > PAGE: A18 > SOURCE: The Los Angeles Times: > It's hard to argue with the underlying goal of the plan that U.S. > President George W. Bush announced this week: to hammer criminals with the > full force of federal law. But no one should be surprised that his proposal > bears a striking resemblance to the plan the National Rifle Association > supports. Even a gung-ho NRA member who truly believes that such an approach > is all it will take to slow the -related death rate would be well > advised to look at reported problems with the Richmond, Va., project upon > which the Bush plan is based. > But an analysis in this week's U.S. News & World Report finds that the > vaunted project has had mixed results. During the first year, federal > prosecutors in Richmond aggressively targeted every offender they > could find. But indictments and convictions have fallen off by almost half > since 1997, and many suspects are now being released before trial. And > federal prisons near Richmond are jammed with felons who would otherwise be > locked up in state prisons. This clearly shows the gun-hater mentality. Its about destroying private gun ownership, not saving lives or punishing criminals. "hmm.... we enforce existing laws, arrest criminals and our jails fill up?" well, DUH! - -- Keith P. de Solla kdesolla@shield.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:54:57 -0600 From: Barry Snow Subject: more specific, Russell http://www.med.ualberta.ca/acicr/pages/facts/gunfact.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:55:37 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editor: Liberals have certainly proven they can't run a gun regis try Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:05:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2001.05.18 SECTION: Comment PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Letters to the editor RE "LAW could fire up black market," (May 12): The article refers to a highly publicized bust of 22,000 in Canada last year. Has an inquisitive reporter ever questioned the Canadian Centre propaganda machine? As I understand it the bust took place in the U.S. and involved a straight-up entrepreneurial senior citizen who had imported 22,000 WWII lend/lease firearm parts through Canada and had foolishly paid $25,000 for registration and taxes. Apparently, criminal charges have never been laid despite the self-congratulatory back-slapping by Canadian bureaucrats and the anti-gun lobby. The article also quotes law enforcement spokesmen as saying "police will be able to track weapons more easily," and, "We'll never have enough resources as long as there's a gun or weapon out there capable of hurting someone." Most Canadians know that the criminal element does not abide by rules. The licensing and registration schemes designed to curb the criminal use of therefore fall entirely into the realm of political posturing and window dressing. Unless of course the complete prohibition of is secretly in the cards. If Canada was serious about preventing crime it would enact civilian "concealed carry" legislation. Our American cousins have provided irrefutable proof over the past 20 years that empowered citizens deter criminal activity much more effectively than police departments and expensive paper tiger registries. Bert van Ingen Editor's Comment (We don't know about that, but the Liberals have certainly proven they can't run a gun registry) ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V3 #774 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@home.com List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v03.n198 end (198 is the digest issue number and 03 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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