From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 30 January, 2002 22:23 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #500 Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, January 30 2002 Volume 04 : Number 500 In this issue: petition Gun Show LONG RANGE GUNS LONG RANGE GUNS Re: FANTINO'S AMNESTY Re: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #494 Re: STANDOFF FIZZLES AS SUSPECT DRIVES UP TO SCENE WITH PAL U.S. article [none] Ed/Re: Petition Vidoe cameroas in Toronto Customs opening packages and letter what a joke The kettle and the pot Justice and Health and hidden agendas - oh Annie... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:48:48 -0600 From: John Evers Subject: petition Ever wanted to get in on the ground floor with a petition??/ Well GET ON IT!!! http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?215642 Get rid of the gun law....save healthcare!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:48:48 -0600 From: "Hill, Larry (Kamloops)" Subject: Gun Show Hello Everyone. I know this is early but I wanted to let everyone know that the Biggest gun show in western Canada will be on March 23&24 in KAMLOOPS B.C. When you plan your trips make it a stop over. Looking forward to seeing you. I will keep everyonr posted as the date get nearer. Take care Larry Hill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:50:59 -0600 From: "Bob Lickacz" Subject: LONG RANGE GUNS From Dr. Mike: Subject: LONG RANGE GUNS From Dr. Mike: Subject: Re: FANTINO'S AMNESTY >offense >Y'know, if I were a black man, in District 51 in Toronto, with a loaded >handgun on the seat of my car and I was just pulled over by one of >Toronto's >finest, I would get out of the car and say "Boy am I glad to see you guys. >I just found this gun in front of my house. Can I give it to you guys or do >I have to turn it into the station where I was headed?" >Where do they get these guys from? >Bob Lickacz >NFA Edmonton ============ And don't forget those basketball tickets! On the 50 yard line, please. Bye. Al. rharper@cgocable.net SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:18:48 -0600 From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Re: >I"ve been looking around for the regulations and other documents that >enable the CFSC and instructor setup. Am I correct in presuming that >these would be under the auspices of the Chief Firearms Officer of >each Province, and, as such, would actually be Provincial >legislation/regulations, as is the Ontario Ammunition Regulation Act? ================ The Firearms Safety and Education Service of Ontario (FSESO) is under the auspices of the CFO in Ontario. I don't know how the other provinces work it. Bye. Al. rharper@cgocable.net SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:19:18 -0600 From: "Jim Thacker" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #494 > Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:53:27 -0600 > From: "Jim Thacker" > Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #490 > > Well I guess I am way out in left field as there was only one response to my > query re "why no one seems to have questionned why the RCMP left the scene > of that shoot out a while back" and that one response was also a query as to > "why no one has taken the RCMP to task" (Although that other person may have > recieved a Virus as a response) So, thank you digest readers, by your > silence you are telling me this is something we simply do not discuss. > ....OK...... > > Moderator: I suspect that piece of news wasn't seen by most members of the > list- including myself. > Perhaps you could supply more detail. Thank You WELL, I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW YOU (MODERATOR) COULD MISS SOMETHING WITH ALL YOU HAVE TO READ....BUT I AM SURE MOST OTHERS WOULD HAVE SAW IT AN DID NOT RESPOND. HOWEVER I AM INTERESTED TO KNOW WHY AND ALSO WILL BE INTERESTED IN YOUR RESPONSE SO IT IS AGAIN PROVIDED BELOW. (Note...THE CAPS HERE ARE NOT ANGER SIMPLY FOR DIFFERENTIATION Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:13:14 -0600 From: "Jim Thacker" Subject: Re: RCMP confrontation Forgive me if this issue has been dealt with as I have been away and during that time unsubscribed so I am unaware if it has been discussed. While I was up north the situation with the RCMP took place where the one officer was killed. I listened carefully to all the reports over the following week but no one dealt with the issue that was foremost on my mind, which was... Why did they run away? Why was there not outrage at them leaving these maniacs loose on the general public? More specifically Given: Police are the only ones allowed to have any sort of firearm with them Given: These police came across some hoodlums who were clearly armed and dangerous Given The Police are the only ones equipped to defend themselves they are the ones who need to be protecting the rest of us... as we are not allowed to Then why......... Did they leave such a dangerous situation. They left these armed and dangerous hoodlums. They ran away, leaving these hoodlums to wreak havoc on any unsuspecting civilian. The issue for me is: Are not these police supposed to protect us. If so why did they not do their best to keep these people at bay and call for back up. Not run away leaving the community at the risk. Why has no one dealt with this issue. Is it the practice of the RCMP to leave armed and dangerous people to do what they will by leaving the scene. Maybe there is information we don't have but the reason for this is it really was not covered in any way except for the mourning of the police officer.... Should not someone be calling for a review of the procedure these officers followed. Why has it not even been mentioned. Maybe I am missing something ..... Jim Thacker Moderator: the only reports I read did not indicate the Police Ran away. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:53:28 -0600 From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Re: STANDOFF FIZZLES AS SUSPECT DRIVES UP TO SCENE WITH PAL >Heavily armed London police were involved in a three-hour standoff outside >a >Hamilton Road residence yesterday >"We did not know if anyone was inside, but we have to take extra >precautions >when there are weapons involved," said Holland, explaining the >three-hour-standoff. "We can't just go kicking in the door." >Instead, police diverted traffic until 12:30 p.m., blocking surrounding >streets. >Helmeted emergency response officers were positioned in backyards and >storefronts -- and others entered through the back door. >Less than an hour later, the group came back out to report nobody was >inside. ============== So, there was a standoff between the empty apartment and the London police? Bye. Al. rharper@cgocable.net SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:06:25 -0600 From: "The Jordans" Subject: U.S. article Posting this for the anti-gun, extremist gun control organization comments. You'll laugh at the "fanaticism embraced by the organization." ISRA-Political Victory Fund: Corinne Wood's Stand on Guns U.S. Newswire 23 Jan 12:18 Illinois Gubernatorial Hopeful Corinne Wood Asked To Clear Confusion Over Her Stand On Guns To: State Desk Contact: Jim Vinopal of ISRA-Political Victory Fund, 815-635-3166; Web site: http://www.isra-pvf.com/ SPRINGFIELD, Ill., Jan. 23 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released today by the ISRA-Political Victory Fund (ISRA-PVF): The ISRA-PVF is calling upon Republican Gubernatorial candidate Corinne Wood to clear up some confusion over her stand on civilian firearm ownership. In recent days, the ISRA-PVF has received several reports that Wood campaign advance men are telling southern Illinois Republican groups that candidate Wood is "pro-Second Amendment." If such characterizations are true, they would apparently mark a 180-degree policy shift for Wood. Throughout her political career, Wood has enjoyed an especially cozy relationship with the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence (ICHV). The ICHV is an extremist gun control organization that supplies foot soldiers to Chicago mayor Daley in his battle to abolish civilian firearm ownership. The fanaticism embraced by the organization is indicated by ICHV Chairman Mark Karlin's statement that firearm owners, "...enable the racist mass killer to do his work efficiently and effectively." The depth of this extremism is illustrated further by a public statement made by the ICHV executive director who said firearm owners, "...perpetuate the fading dominance of the disenfranchised, white, American male and his need to hold on to power with a gun." The ICHV's race-baiting and fear-mongering tactics certainly place the organization outside the mainstream -- even by the standards of the gun control movement. Nonetheless, Corinne Wood has accepted the role of featured speaker at a number of ICHV events -- including a January 2000 seminar where she went on record assailing gun owners with some highly inflammatory rhetoric. Certainly, the ICHV is one of the most anti-Second Amendment organizations in the nation. It is difficult to imagine how any person claiming to be "pro-Second Amendment" would voluntarily involve themselves with an organization like ICHV. If Wood has indeed undergone the transformation her campaign staffers claim, it is high time that she stepped out from behind the shadow of the ICHV and begin talking about how she, as a "pro-Second Amendment" governor would address the issues important to the state's 1.5 million law-abiding firearm owners. However, Wood's continued silence on gun ownership issues would indicate clearly that her handlers are attempting to play both sides of the street -- running an antigun Wood in the ICHV's north shore strongholds while, at the same time, running a "pro-Second Amendment" Wood downstate where pro-gun sentiments run high. - ------ The ISRA-PVF is a political action committee affiliated with the Illinois State Rifle Association. A copy of the ISRA-PVF report is available for a fee from the Illinois State Board of Elections, Springfield, Ill. KEYWORDS: ILLINOIS, GUNS/FIREARMS, POLICY Copyright 2002, U.S. Newswire http://www.isra-pvf.com/PR020123.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:17:43 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: [none] Subject: Groom Killed By Stripper's Boobs Who knows where these deadly weapons will strike next? All such weapons must be thoroughly inspected and registered! Nobody needs weapons of that size - they must be banned! No more concealed carry - open carry only! We must put a stop to this meance! http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/20020116/101119320009.html Groom Killed By Stripper's Boobs Wednesday January 16, 2002 GENEVA - A fun-filled bachelor party at a strip club turned deadly when a 32-year-old groom-to-be who was enjoying the attentions of a well-endowed stripper suffocated while his face was buried in her breasts. The mind-boggling drama unfolded, say cops, while Daniel Greene was attending his bachelor party at the Pretty Kitty strip club. The club had been rented out for the private affair. According to investigators, Greene was enjoying a lap dance when disaster struck: One of the strippers, Kandy Kane, got too into her performance and suffocated the man between her 72-DD breasts. Witnesses said that Greene had had his fair share of beer, but didn't seem out-of-control. When the song "I'm Too Sexy" began to play, Greene became excited and began to dance on the tabletop, hooting and hollering, pals said, "like an idiot." Miss Kane, apparently pleased to see someone enjoying her choice in music, moved in closer. When Greene took his seat, she began giving him a lap dance, shaking her breasts in his face. The more she shook, the deeper Greene got lost in her cleavage. "Daniel was having so much fun," partygoer John Gillman said. "We all thought he loved being in that gal's chest. "Who could have known that when he was waving his hands around, he was signaling for help?" Cheering onlookers eventually realized that Greene was no longer moving, and pulled him from between Miss Kane's breasts. Now Greene's family is suing Miss Kane and the Pretty Kitty for wrongful death. Greene's father, George, won't specify the amount they are suing for, but claims that it isn't about the money. "Those breasts were lethal weapons," he told reporters. "The Pretty Kitty should not have allowed Miss Kane to have her bust enhanced to the size that she did. "We hope that by filing this lawsuit, we can send a message to other strippers: keep your bra size within a reasonable range." Kandy Kane made a statement through her attorneys: "I thought he liked it in there." The Pretty Kitty declined comment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:17:43 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Ed/Re: Petition Dear Mr Evers, Re: Petition I have become so cynical I ask about everything before I sign anything now. Is this petition "for real", or just a good scam to collect addresses ? The WebSite looks good. Sincerely, Eduardo John Evers wrote: > Ever wanted to get in on the ground floor with a petition??/ > > Well GET ON IT!!! > http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?215642 > > Get rid of the gun law....save healthcare!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:20:47 -0600 From: "rossj." Subject: Vidoe cameroas in Toronto Staff-Insp. Bruce Smollet said people shouldn't fear living under the constant gaze of surveillance cameras. "We're observant of people's entitlement to live in a free and democratic society ... this is not to impede or otherwise disenfranchise law-abiding citizens," he said. Don't worry be happy... This guy must be a Liberal. Rights...we dont need no stinking rights we're the Police ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:20:50 -0600 From: "rossj." Subject: Customs opening packages and letter When dealing with Citizenship and Immigration officials did not produce results, it was Mr. Cauchon who intervened, at the request of the Privacy Commissioner, and modified his department's approach. As a result, Customs agreed to exclude the weight of courier packaging from the 30-gram limit and to review other activities to ensure they are carried out with the greatest possible restraint and sensitivity to privacy. The only way they could exclude the weight of the courier packages is to open it, remove the cointents, weight the courier pack, then decide while its open to read the papers that were enclosed. Boy are we Canukleheads stupid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:25:41 -0600 From: phaedrus7 Subject: what a joke I Thought I would share my experience of attempting to Re-Register My Handguns. Back In Jan. 2000, I mailed in my PAL application, and at the same time my Re-registration of my handguns. Three months later I received my new license, but after TWO YEARS I still have not received my registration certificates. When I phoned the CFC, they said that it was going to be processed very soon , and I should receive them in the next little while. I am wondering how long it is going to take them to process the Flood (or is that trickle) of registration app's they will receive this year, especially since few people registered so long ago. I also expect that the Gov't will find that there are only about 2.1 million firearms out there if they ever do get them all registered; only one gun for every Firearms owner who has a licence. I find it utterly amusing that a Gov't that wishes to crack down on firearms, will end up creating somewhere between 2-20 million illegal firearms in one fell swoop. And these were once legally owned. D. Strong Phaedrus7@shaw.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:00:13 -0600 From: "Paul Chicoine" <701506@ican.net> Subject: The kettle and the pot Smoker or not, you might choke on this offering from the editorial page editor of the Montreal Gazette, Peter Hadekel. The Gazette is a newspaper which has not published a single letter to the editor from Garry Breitkreuz. The same paper will not publish any letter from me on the topic of gun control. They'll publish me on other topics but specifically will not regarding gun control. The same newspaper publicly stated, its worth it even if it saves one life. In a hurry, take aim at the spittoon located at the last paragraph. Big Tobacco should have right to responsible, controlled advertising PETER HADEKEL Montreal Gazette Tuesday, January 29, 2002 You'd have to look pretty hard to find an industry with less credibility than Big Tobacco. This is a business that has done everything it possibly could to shoot itself in the foot. In the United States, tobacco companies have lied, cheated and dissembled about their products. The chief executives of the seven biggest cigarette-makers - immortalized as the Seven Dwarfs in the movie The Insider- swore before Congress that, God help them, nicotine was not addictive. It turned out, of course, that they were caught with nicotine stains on their hands. "We are ... in the business of selling nicotine, an addictive drug, " said a Brown & Williamson memo purloined by whistle-blower Jeffrey Wigand. In Canada, tobacco company executives haven't behaved much better. Some of them helped to orchestrate the massive cigarette smuggling operations of the early 1990s. Now, if this wasn't enough, the bad guys have gone to court to strike down Canada's ban on tobacco advertising. In a case now before Quebec Superior Court, they claim the 1997 Tobacco Act places so many restrictions on advertising that it violates freedom of expression guarantees in the Charter of Rights. Public Enemy No.1 usually doesn't deserve much sympathy - except that, in this case, there's a nagging possibility that the tobacco industry just might be right. Whatever one might say about the toxic, addictive and lethal properties of tobacco, it remains a legal product, in a competitive industry with a right to commercial expression. Unless, of course, the government decides that it should take over the marketing and distribution of tobacco. Maybe, given the weight of evidence about tobacco's harms, Ottawa should do just that. But until it does, it shouldn't choke off a business's legitimate right to advertise. Remember that in 1995, the Supreme Court struck down Canada's previous advertising ban, the Tobacco Products Control Act, by a narrow 5-4 margin, finding that a total ban on advertising could not be justified as a reasonable limitation on freedom of expression. The court said the federal government failed to prove that a partial prohibition, such as a ban on lifestyle advertising, would not achieve the same goals as a complete ban. The court did leave room for a federal role in regulating cigarette advertising, however. It said that while lifestyle advertising is clearly designed to increase consumption, purely informational or brand-preference advertising could be acceptable . Ottawa seized on the court's words and drafted a new law. According to the Tobacco Act of 1997, advertising is once again banned except in bars, by direct mail or in publications with an adult readership of at least 85 per cent. If that had been the end of it, no one could have seriously objected. After all, the goal should be to keep kids from being exposed to the marketing messages of the tobacco industry. Eighty per cent of Canadian smokers start before the age of 18. But the law went a couple of steps farther. Even in these restricted, adult venues, advertising is not permitted if it evokes "a positive or negative emotion about or image of, a way of life such as one that includes glamour, recreation, excitement, vitality, risk or daring." But what advertising doesn't evoke emotion? Isn't that the whole point of advertising? How do you market brand preference? Does a simple picture of a cigarette package evoke risk? These are the questions the tobacco companies have been asking over the past four years. So far, they haven't tested the new law in the advertising marketplace. They say they're afraid to risk the criminal sanctions - imprisonment and fines of up to $300,000. Whether they're overstating their case is for the courts to decide. But Ottawa's law might well have gone too far. The focus of tobacco policy should be on keeping kids from getting hooked, not on keeping adults from making their own decisions about whether to use a legal product. Responsible advertising, approved by a federal agency, and directed solely at adults, is a reasonable goal. >In the meantime, we should remind ourselves that in a free society, it's often the unpopular and >politically incorrect forms of expression that most need protection. - - Peter Hadekel's E-mail address is phadekel@thegazette.southam.ca. __________ Paul Chicoine Illegitimi non Carborundum Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice. _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:22:59 -0600 From: "The Jordans" Subject: Justice and Health and hidden agendas - oh Annie... What do Justice and Health have to do with each other? How do the two come together? Seems the info and part of the "hidden agenda" is finally coming together. Look at this report just released (quietly I believe). THEN go to the 'recommendations' and read Number 1 for starters. Number 1 is not the only one involving firearms either, but that is all I include for this post. Go to the links and read. Funny that "Annie" was involved in the Justice to 'implement' the firearms act, and now in the "Health" portfolio which is involved with this report. Hmmmmmmm.... "a comprehensive overhaul of the entire domestic system to monitor and regulate firearms and explosives is in progress" and "expects this recommendation to be fulfilled by January of 2003". Again, hmmmmmmmmm... is this part of the hidden agenda behind the firearms act? Linda - -------- INTER-AMERICAN DRUG ABUSE CONTROL COMMISSION REPORTS ON PROGRESS OF CANADA'S ANTI-DRUG EFFORTS OTTAWA, JANUARY 30, 2001 - Solicitor General Lawrence MacAulay, Health Minister Anne McLellan and Foreign Affairs Minister Bill Graham welcomed a report issued today by the Inter-American Drug Abuse Control Commission (CICAD) on Canada's progress in addressing illicit drug activities. The report gives a positive evaluation of Canada's anti-drug efforts, noting satisfaction with Canada's commitment to the objectives of the Multilateral Evaluation Mechanism (MEM). The MEM is a tool that Canada was instrumental in developing to evaluate anti-drug efforts in the hemisphere, encourage cooperation and collaboration among member states, and highlight best practices. In 2000, the MEM evaluation of Canada made 14 recommendations aimed at strengthening Canada's efforts to address illicit drug activities. Of the 14 recommendations, today's report notes that Canada has initiated work on all fronts. Many of these initiatives have been completed, such as the creation of a mechanism to identify the number of individuals charged and convicted of drug trafficking crimes. The report encourages Canada to continue working on areas where more progress can be made, such as in determining the annual incidence of new drug users nationally. At the 1998 Summit of the Americas, leaders from the OAS called for a mechanism to monitor the development of national and regional illicit drug-control strategies. The resulting MEM was developed under Canada's leadership and finalized in Ottawa in September 1999. It was formally adopted by CICAD at an October 1999 meeting in Uruguay, and was implemented immediately. The report is one of 34 national reports released today outlining progress of members of the Organization of American States (OAS). A hemispheric report was also released. The national report provides information to strengthen Canada's commitment to help win the fight against drugs in the hemisphere - and to enhance its partnerships with other OAS members, and between health and law enforcement partners here at home. Extensive information on the Multilateral Evaluation Mechanism process can be found at the CICAD website http://www.cicad.oas.org/en/mem/Main.htm - -30- For further information, please contact: Dan Brien Office of the Solicitor General (613) 991-2924 Media Relations Office Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (613) 995-1874 Farah Mohamed Office of Anne McLellan Minister of Health (613) 957-0200 This document and the Canadian report is also available on the Solicitor General Canada Internet site - -------------------------------------------------------------- Inter-American Drug Abuse Control Commission (CICAD) Multilateral Evaluation Mechanism (MEM) CANADA IMPLEMENTATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE FIRST EVALUATION ROUND FINAL REPORT Approved by CICAD Special Session 18-19 January, 2002 - -------------------------------------------------- Recommendation 1: Ratify the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials. Canada informs that it expects this recommendation to be fulfilled by January of 2003. The Canadian Constitution requires that the government already have implemented firearms-related measures before the country can ratify the Inter-American Convention against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunitions, Explosives and other Related Materials. To that effect, a comprehensive overhaul of the entire domestic system to monitor and regulate firearms and explosives is in progress. CICAD acknowledges the progress made by Canada and encourages completion of the recommendation by the target date. 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