From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 31 January, 2002 12:05 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #501 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, January 31 2002 Volume 04 : Number 501 In this issue: Killer mammaries Crackdown on guns long overdue FW: Release - DID THEY REALLY KEEP THEIR PROMISE? Re :Ford's abducted-clerk ad offensive,#498 Don't battle thugs: Cops Dorval lets 150 Tunisians slip in Re: Justice and Health and hidden agendas - oh Annie... Who's keeping an eye on whom in the world of the lobbyists? using unknown. More predators stalk humans, experts say ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:24:19 -0600 From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Killer mammaries >Subject: Groom Killed By Stripper's Boobs > > >Who knows where these deadly weapons will strike next? All such >weapons must be thoroughly inspected and registered! Nobody needs >weapons of that size - they must be banned! No more concealed carry - >open carry only! ============= She had a pair of 45's. She also had a gun. Bye. Al. rharper@cgocable.net SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:49:56 -0600 From: "rossj." Subject: Crackdown on guns long overdue Any time a government or Police or other enforcement agancy speak of a crackdown, or a war on (drugs, guns, prostitution)...They ahave already lost that war. The Liberal Government under Bill C-68, and the unquestioning backing by the police chiefs of CXanada in spite of the rank and file not favouring the sup[poprt of C-68, the war is lost. A burgeoning black market in illegal restricted weapons now exists courtesy of the Liberals, the police Chief and all those feel goo do gooders who have supported Bill C-68. When an obkject is so difficult as to get, it immediately creats a black market. One need only look to cigarette smuggling to see the truth in this. taxes went up, so did smuggling. taxes went down, no profit in it, smuggling went down. The Polcie cry poor me we have no resources. The Liberals with the approval of the Polcie have squandered over 1.3 billiuon dollars. No wonder there are no funds for the Police. You want money, drop support for C-68, adopt the practical firearms policy by the NFA, save huindreds of millions and put more Police on the street chasing criminals and Tunisian tourists rather than going after some old geezxers goffer gun. To the Politicians, the Police, the feel good groups...you are singlehandedely the biggest part of the problem. Remove your blinders and see the light. Law abiding citizens never have been the problem. You've had the pain of C-68, now get the pleasure and dump it and adopt proper gun control methods rather than the brittish model which by their own admission has failed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:49:55 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FW: Release - DID THEY REALLY KEEP THEIR PROMISE? > -----Original Message----- > From: Official Opposition Press Office - Service de presse de > l'opposition officielle > Sent: January 30, 2002 1:28 PM > Subject: Release - DID THEY REALLY KEEP THEIR PROMISE? > > <<...>> > Randy White, MP News Release > Official Opposition House Leader > > DID THEY REALLY KEEP THEIR PROMISE? > DEADLINE FOR CREATION OF NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY IS TODAY - > HAVE THE LIBERALS DELIVERED? > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Wednesday, January 30, 2002 > > OTTAWA - On March 13, 2001 the following Canadian Alliance motion was > passed unanimously by the House of Commons: "That the government establish > a national sex offender registry by January 30, 2002." Nine months later, > you can decide if the federal government has met that mandate. Today, two > children are missing. > > > At 9:00 a.m., a young boy has been taken from the corner of Robson and > Granville in Vancouver, B.C. Police receive an eyewitness account that > the suspect in question is a white male, 6 feet tall with brown hair and > green eyes, with an anchor tattoo on his right arm. He was driving a > white panel van and had been in the area near schools most of the morning. > > > Police begin the investigation using their C-PIC computer system; a > database program Solicitor General Lawrence MacAulay calls "the envy of > police forces around the world." They try searching for names of offenders > who have committed sex crimes. They get back a database list with > thousands of names of sex offenders from across the country. One hour has > now passed since the boy was abducted, and according to U.S. statistics, > there is only a 56% chance the child is still alive. > > Although the Minister has promised to add offenders' addresses to the > C-PIC system, it wouldn't help in this case. With no way to do searches > of the C-PIC system using physical descriptions or photographs, and with > hundreds of sex offenders who live in the Vancouver area, there is no way > to send an officer out to investigate each of them. In addition, there is > no way for police to ensure the addresses are current. It has now been > three hours, and there is only a 26% chance the boy is still alive. > > Vancouver police would alert the media. Many would hear about the > abduction on TV that evening. Most will read about it in the newspaper > the next day, when they see a headline that says ABDUCTED CHILD MISSING. > The sad truth of the matter is that the headline is wrong. 24 hours after > the incident, if the boy has been murdered, there is a 91% chance that the > correct headline would read ABDUCTED CHILD DEAD. > > > .../2 > > - 2 - > > At 9:00 a.m., a young boy has been taken from the corner of Yonge and > Bloor in Toronto, Ontario. Police receive an eyewitness account that the > suspect in question is a white male, 6 feet tall with brown hair and green > eyes, with an anchor tattoo on his right arm. He was driving a white > panel van and had been in the area near schools most of the morning. > > Toronto Police don't bother using their C-PIC computer system, instead > making a call to the Sex Offender Registry office in Orillia. Within > minutes of the abduction, they receive details of convicted sex offenders > within their region, with a physical description, a recent photograph, a > listing of their recent convictions and an up to date address. They can > use this database to run a search by tattoo type and location, a tool not > available on C-PIC. Within a half hour police can pinpoint their > investigation to the homes in which the offenders live. > > Over 90% of offenders have registered on this system, including an > incredible 2,693 who voluntarily walked into police stations across the > province when this sex offender registry came on line in April 2001. The > other 10% who didn't register? Some are facing jail time for > non-compliance, but most have left the province - as this system is ONLY > available in Ontario because the provincial government put it in place. > > Toronto police would alert the media. Many would hear about the abduction > on TV that evening. Most will read about it in the newspaper the next > day, when they see a headline that says ABDUCTED CHILD FOUND ALIVE. > Parents across the rest of the country would wonder why they haven't been > offered the same level of protection. > > The abductions described above are fictitious, however the resources > available to the various police departments are all too real. Scenario one > could have happened in any province across the country, with the exception > of Ontario. So which system would you like to have protecting your > children? Victims groups say they would like a national sex offender > registry similar to the one used in scenario two. The Canadian Police > Association and Chiefs of Police would also like the one found in the > second scenario. Attorney Generals and Justice Ministers from provinces > and territories across the country would also like a national registry > similar to the one that has been implemented in Ontario (a province which > has offered up the software free to anyone who wants to use it). > > And the federal government? Solicitor General Lawrence MacAulay says, > "C-PIC is Canada's national sex offender registry. It does not need to be > created because it already exists." The same system that does not provide > jurisdictional searches, radius searches, searches by physical descriptors > or have the ability to include photographs. And there is no legislation > in place to force offenders to keep the information updated on a regular > basis, like there is in Ontario. > > Ask yourself again. Did the federal government really keep its promise to > protect your children? > > - 30 - > FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: Randy White MP - (613) 995-0183 > FOR FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE ONTARIO SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY: OPP > Detective Staff Sgt. Charles Young (705) 329-7474 > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:58:52 -0600 From: Gary Baker Subject: Re :Ford's abducted-clerk ad offensive,#498 Is this is another fine example of a story of vital interest to the firearms community ? If I wanted garbage from the "POST" I would "BUY IT" ?? Moderator PLEASE "MODERATE" Moderator: some fine arguments have been made to support the connection between anti-male or male bashing and firearms control and the connection to the Coalition for Gun Control. Normally these folks use "political correctness" to muzzle our arguments. The example you cite appears to be one that cannot be refuted. The line between Moderating and Censoring is thin- if I err I hope not to err in favor of censorship. One or two complaints about a posting attract my attention but hardly influence it as the other approximately 3000 list members have said nothing. On the other hand things do go astray from the intentions of the list. Please everyone read the notes at the bottom of every Digest release. Thank you for your interest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:01 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Don't battle thugs: Cops Of course the cops don't want you "taking the law into your own hands" - - they see that as being their own private purview. Of course, they don't mention that they *can't* protect you, so you're pretty much on your own... http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-01-30-0046.html Wednesday, January 30, 2002 Don't battle thugs: Cops After teen confronted 3 thieves By IAN ROBERTSON, TORONTO SUN Police are advising the public not to take the law into their own hands after a 19-year-old fought off a trio of burglars. The homeowner's son found three people in his parent's bedroom at a Camilla Rd. home, in the Hwy. 10 and North Service Rd. area around 12:15 p.m. Monday, Peel Police Const. Heather Andrews said. The son realized a door to the home was open and grabbed a kitchen knife for protection after hearing a noise coming from an upstairs bedroom, investigators said. He confronted the trio, then "two of the culprits were stabbed," police said, adding the interlopers fled. The teen was not harmed. Two boys with minor wounds surrendered in hospital to police, and a third was arrested at his Camilla Rd. apartment. A 24-year-old man, whose name cannot be released to protect the identity of an accused young offender, was arrested as an accessory. Three youths, aged 14, 15 and 16 are charged. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:02 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Dorval lets 150 Tunisians slip in So much for keeping Canada safe from terrorists... http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1012345857406 Jan. 30, 01:00 EDT Dorval lets 150 Tunisians slip in Andrew Chung Staff Reporter MONTREAL — Security measures at Dorval International Airport have come under fire after it was revealed that 150 Tunisian nationals were allowed to enter Canada with little more than tourist visas, and subsequently disappeared. "Sometimes some people are well organized and can circumvent the best systems we have," said Richard Saint-Louis, spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration Canada. "This is probably the situation that occurred." Montrealers are still reeling after U.S. officials said last week that two Tunisian-born Canadians citizens who lived in the city were linked to Al Qaeda. Al Rauf bin Al Habib Bin Yousef Al-Jiddi, 36, and Faker Boussora, 37, lived in Montreal until late last year. Val Diaconescu, a former immigration officer at Dorval, worked in the summer of 2000 when the Tunisians arrived in groups of 20 to 25. They did not fit the profile of regular tourists, Diaconescu said. He explained: "They're all male, 20 to 25 years old, no girlfriends, no nothing, claiming they're tourists. But you ask them if they have money and they only have $50 to $100. ``They don't know anybody around here and they claim they have hotel reservations but when you call the hotel they never heard about it. And when you check their luggage you see résumés, diplomas, files with their work experience. "Well," he said, "what would you think?" Diaconescu, who now works for another government agency, said officers were told by a supervisor to "fix the papers and let them go," despite suspicions about the Tunisians' intentions. The apparent laxity of security measures at Dorval prompted Immigration Minister Denis Coderre yesterday to call for an internal investigation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:02 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Justice and Health and hidden agendas - oh Annie... The Jordans wrote: > Recommendation 1: > Ratify the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit > Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, > Explosives > and Other Related Materials. > Canada informs that it expects this recommendation to be > fulfilled > by January of 2003. The Canadian Constitution requires that the > government already have implemented firearms-related measures > before > the country can ratify the Inter-American Convention against the > Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, > Ammunitions, > Explosives and other Related Materials. To that effect, a > comprehensive overhaul of the entire domestic system to monitor > and > regulate firearms and explosives is in progress. > CICAD acknowledges the progress made by Canada and encourages > completion of the recommendation by the target date. > (snip) > http://www.sgc.gc.ca/Releases/e20020130.htm C-42 is the legislation that has been introduced to cover the changes to the Explosives Act, which is intended to make us comply with the Inter-American Convention blah blah blah. This little gem contains references to "inexplosive ammunition components" such as bullets and cases. What their reference to the Canadian Konstitution is about, I have no idea... http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/1/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/c-42/c-42_1/90173ee.html RECOMMENDATION Her Excellency the Governor General recommends to the House of Commons the appropriation of public revenue under the circumstances, in the manner and for the purposes set out in a measure entitled ``An Act to amend certain Acts of Canada, and to enact measures for implementing the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention, in order to enhance public safety''. SUMMARY This enactment amends certain Acts of Canada, and enacts the Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention Implementation Act, in order to enhance public safety. Part 5 amends the Explosives Act to implement the Organization of American States Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials as it relates to explosives and ammunition. It prohibits the illicit manufacturing of explosives, and illicit trafficking in explosives and components of ammunition. It allows for increased control over the importation, exportation, transportation through Canada, acquisition, possession and sale of explosives and certain components of explosives, and provides increased penalties for certain offences. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:03 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Who's keeping an eye on whom in the world of the lobbyists? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/printarticle/gam/20020131/ULOBBN Who's keeping an eye on whom in the world of the lobbyists? By ERIN ANDERSSEN Thursday, January 31, 2002 ­ Print Edition, Page A4 OTTAWA -- It's no secret how the system is supposed to work: A connected lobbyist swings a meeting, softens the pitch, and with luck and charm, maybe the client wins a contract. The lobbyist can earn upward of $450 an hour. What with the "hired guns" working on specific contracts and the in-house staff at organizations and corporations, almost 1,500 lobbyists are shaking hands around Ottawa. The problem, groups like Democracy Watch say, is the secrets the system keeps: who's meeting whom and how often, who worked for whom before, who's deciding policy on friendship first, merit second. "A shadow government is allowed; legal, perfectly legal, encouraged even by the Liberals," Democracy Watch co-ordinator Duff Conacher said. "And this is the government that promised to bring the lobbyists out of the shadows." Lobbyists say they're constantly battling a bad rap, and they've even set up their own professional body to counter it. Since 1996, when the Liberals changed the regulations, lobbyists have been required to register with the government, indicating what departments they're lobbying and the specific bill or contracts sought -- although not their work history. The federal ethics counsellor has an eight-point code of conduct for them. It says, in part, that they may not represent competing interests without the consent of both sides, or act in a way that constitutes an "improper influence" on a politician, although the definition of improper influence isn't clear. Nor does the code clearly state what punitive measures, if any, might be available to the ethics counsellor if he found a violation. Mr. Conacher said the potential for conflict of interest isn't eliminated when a company and a government department agree to work with the same lobbyist. After all, it works in a company's interest to hire a lobby firm that has close ties with the department it needs to influence. Nothing prevents a firm from lobbying one department on behalf of clients while accepting contracts to work for the same department or its minister, as in the case of the Earnscliffe Strategy Group, which does communications and polling for the Finance Department, while lobbying the department on behalf of private-sector clients. It's on the level, federal ethics counsellor Howard Wilson said, as long as the firm maintains a "Chinese wall" between operations. The government is expected to introduce changes soon to the Lobbyists' Registration Act, mainly to clarify that failure to register is a criminal offence. Copyright © 2002 Bell Globemedia Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:01 -0600 From: unknown.sender Subject: using unknown. "Unknown" may not be the best word to put on a registration form. I asked a few people how they would fill in a form with one to three words for a missing serial number on a piece of equipment. No one picked "unknown" It would be so easy for someone to flag registrations with the word "unknown' as a possible "NFActivist" for further attention. It might be better to choose a few words of our own to describe the condition, there's plenty of room on the form. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:05:03 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: More predators stalk humans, experts say I love this quote: "Griz don't care how much you gave to Greenpeace". http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20020130/1282719.html January 30, 2002 More predators stalk humans, experts say Bears, cougars, sharks: As cities encroach on wilderness, people cross paths with big carnivores Bev Wake Ottawa Citizen, with files from news services The chance of being stalked and killed by a hungry cougar or mauled by a black bear is on the rise. The odds of running into one of the country's most feared predators has climbed as their populations have grown and cities have expanded, encroaching on what was once wild land. The Boston Globe reported yesterday that of 142 documented deaths by bear or cougar attacks during the last 100 years, nearly half took place in the last decade alone. "The number of bears has grown. The number of people has grown," said Lynn Rogers, a wildlife biologist and president of the Wildlife Research Institute in Minnesota. "People are moving into bear habitat like never before." Black bears have killed 48 people across North America since 1906, Mr. Rogers said, with about half of those deaths in the last 20 years. One-quarter of the deaths were recorded in the interior of British Columbia, with nine in Northern Ontario. In British Columbia, the number of bear attacks in the 1990s doubled compared to the previous decade, Stephen Herrero, a University of Calgary environmental science professor, said. But bears are not the only predators claiming more kills. There have been 287 serious alligator attacks on humans since Florida started keeping records in 1948, 10 of them fatal. Of those attacks, nearly two-thirds occurred between 1990 and 2001. According to the International Shark Attack File, a record-keeping system administered by scientists at the University of Florida, there were a record 79 unprovoked shark attacks around the world in 2000, the latest year for which statistics are available. Since 1958, the yearly average was 54. And over the past couple of decades, the cougars of western B.C. and central southwest Alberta have attacked more people than at any other time in the last 80 years, says Martin Jalkotzy, a Calgary biologist who has researched cougars for 14 years. While Mr. Jalkotzy didn't have specific numbers -- and said the number of deaths attributed to cougars is still less than four per year in North America -- he said: "It certainly is a noticeable increase relative to the attack rate in the decades previous." "This is something that's your worst nightmare," said Paul Paquet, a Saskatchewan-based wildlife consultant for the World Wildlife Fund and one of the country's leading experts on wolves. "It's why you check under your bed." But wildlife experts say the predators aren't getting more vicious. The rise in attacks can be blamed on the fact that people are more likely than ever to come across one of the animals -- whether they are hiking in the wild or living on the divide between the urban and wild worlds. "People who think they love wildlife have somehow got it in their heads that wild creatures reciprocate the emotion," said Janet Lundren, a B.C. warden and naturalist. "One very simple reason we're seeing more grizzly attacks on humans is that humans in unprecedented numbers are wandering into dangerous bear country in search of wilderness adventure. A very few will get a deadly lesson in the definition of 'large carnivore.' "Griz don't care how much you gave to Greenpeace," she said. Mr. Paquet said the number of predatory animals has grown significantly over the last four decades and in some cases the animals have recolonized land they have not inhabited for generations. At the same time, the North American population has doubled, turning what had once been wild land into housing developments, farms or outdoor recreational areas. "The best land for humans is also the best land for elk herds, wolf packs, cougars and other wildlife," said Marjorie Huculak, spokeswoman for Banff National Park. "And the results can be tragic all around.'' A 30-year-old woman was killed by a cougar while cross-country skiing in Banff last year. She was the first person known to be killed by a cougar in Alberta's history. A 40-year-old Ottawa woman was confronted by a black bear on the Discovery Trail above Meech Lake last July. She feared the bear would have killed her if it had not been chased away by her dog Queenie. The next month, a Cornwall, Ont., teenager was attacked in his backyard by what U.S. experts said was likely a cougar, even though wild eastern cougars are thought to be virtually extinct. Although the number of attacks is on the rise, Mr. Rogers said the chance of being killed by a wild animal is still small. "People are 42 times more likely to be killed by a domestic dog than a black bear, 120 times more likely to be killed by a bee than a black bear and 250 times more likely to be killed by lightning," he said. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #501 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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