From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Wednesday, 06 February, 2002 02:04 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #520 Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, February 6 2002 Volume 04 : Number 520 In this issue: Austin sees his shadow - 6 more years of blunders Re: Politicking on the Canadian Firearms Digest justice as a joke Player faces hearing for toy rifle at high school hockey game Why so many mistakes? Letter: I have a permit Re: Re Digest 513 father/son charged Shots fired into Newfoundland school Man faces weapons charges; back in court Tuesday Teen arrested after boy hit by pellet Editor's Comment (That would be too good to be true.) Two men arrested in break-in wanted on national warrants SUSPECTS SOUGHT IN FIVE HEISTS FW: Release - THE ANSWER IS NO LIBERALS TURN DOWN REQUEST FOR NAT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:39:29 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Austin sees his shadow - 6 more years of blunders PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2002.02.05 EDITION: Final SECTION: Forum PAGE: A6 BYLINE: David Austin SOURCE: The StarPhoenix - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Efficient program meets safety goals - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Re: Gov't examines private bids to operate federal gun registry (SP Jan. 26). Readers who thought they had seen this story before would be right. The National Post last February carried an extensive, front page article about bids for delivery of services and goods to support the Canadian Program. Contrary to suggestions that the government has not been forthcoming throughout this bidding process, detailed postings have been carried on its electronic tendering service. As has been pointed out many times, the government is not privatizing the program. The justice minister remains accountable for all aspects of it. Our aim is to see whether outsourcing of some elements of the program can lead to a more effective, efficient and cost-effective system without compromising public safety. Outsourcing also is not new to the program. For example, one firm provided assistance in processing licence applications while another provided expertise in developing the automated licensing and registration system. It is important to consider all options that could lower costs and increase efficiency while maintaining the safety and security of information. Public safety and the security of personal and other information remains the cornerstone of the program. The program already is improving public safety by keeping out of the hands of people who should not have them. Thanks to continuous background checks, more than 4,000 licences and applications have been revoked or refused across Canada since the new law came into effect Dec. 1, 1998. David Austin Public Affairs Canadian Centre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:39:31 -0600 From: wrpa Subject: Re: Politicking on the Canadian Firearms Digest I Peter Kearns wrote >Simon says: The Alliance won't alter their stance relating to firearms >ownership and registration, as we appear to be one of the few allies >they still have. > >Moderator: Peter if everyone could be as sure as you that all the >candidates will support us on the firearms issue there would be no >discussion of the matter. I am afraid once the liberals are turfed the government of the day will follow through like Chretien did on the GST. At best they may get rid of long gun registration. Most average gun owners think long gun registration is C-68. Long gun registration is only the most visible part. If they got rid of long gun registration they would probably satisfy most gun owners and leave it at that. I'm shure that a new government would have more important things to do than rewrite the Firearms Act. This ain't new advice, don't count your chickens before they're hatched. On a seperate note. I got my first of the new paper registration certificates. New type of paper (yellow) and the certificates are credit card size. Now I can laminate it in standard size laminating pouches. I wish they would put more information on the form. Now only if they would include the model on the cetificate. Rudy Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:39:29 -0600 From: "jim davies" Subject: justice as a joke > Citizens On Patrol is a bad idea - just as the auxillary police program is > a bad idea. ...the problem is inadequate criminal justice > administration resources, including police, crown counsels, corrections > personnel, and probation/parole officers... > Of course, the willful refusal to lock up the pukes is the core problem. As long as we have a catch 'n release justice system we will also have an out of control criminal problem. Warehousing, not rehab for multiple offenders! Three strikes works, even though the sob sisters whine and cry about it. - --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by AEBC's Anti-virus system (beta test).] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:39:28 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Player faces hearing for toy rifle at high school hockey game PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2002.02.05 SECTION: NovaScotia PAGE: A1 SOURCE: Yarmouth Bureau BYLINE: Brian Medel - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Player faces hearing for toy rifle at high school hockey game - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Barrington A restorative justice hearing will be held today for a Liverpool high school hockey player who emerged from the dressing room carrying a toy rifle during a game 11 days ago. The Jan. 25 game between host Liverpool Regional High and visiting Barrington Municipal High was a physical matchup, not unlike other games played between the two teams, Barrington coach Randel Smith said Monday. And when two players were ejected late in the game for fighting, they headed to the dressing rooms. The Liverpool player came out of the room later with the toy rifle. Some parents are angry that a , even a toy, was brought into the rink. Queens RCMP say the apparently was brought into the arena in a kit bag. No charges have been laid, an RCMP spokesman said Monday. The restorative justice hearing today will be held at the Liverpool school. Restorative justice is a relatively new program, similar to the former youth alternatives program, where young offenders who take responsibility for an offence can avoid appearing in court. Young offenders often meet with their victims face-to-face and remedies are agreed upon. "I'm not attending it," Mr. Smith said of today's hearing. "I'm a victim. I shouldn't have to travel all across the country." He said action should be taken against the player, such as community service or a suspension from the hockey team. "I don't think the kid had any intent to hurt anybody . . . (but) what's going to happen the next time if he gets away with it?" Mr. Smith said. "Put the message out there for the rest of the kids that you can't do this." The Barrington coach recalled the moment he first saw the player holding the toy rifle. "He came out of the dressing room with it on his hip," he said. "It was pointing toward the ceiling and I pointed my finger at him to get back in the dressing room. "He slung it over his shoulder then." Mr. Smith said the Liverpool player did not move or speak. "He had a smile on his face. I don't know if he was just being stupid or if there was some message . . . to give. "Where he was standing, he would have been behind the timekeeper's bench. "I got a look from probably 15, 20 feet. What it looked like to me was one of these little Daisy BB guns." It was a toy with a barrel and receiver made of steel, an RCMP officer said, adding that the was photographed at the detachment. The was cocked by moving a lever and fired a puff of air, he said. "When I saw he didn't move, I asked my assistant coach to go chase him back into the dressing room," Mr. Smith said. He does not know if any game officials noticed the boy. "I went right to the Liverpool bench because the principal was on the bench and I told him about it. He went and got the , I guess. "They rushed the out of there; I never got a hands-on look at it." After the game was over, Mr. Smith phoned the RCMP. "I went and got the Mounties and they came to the rink." Steven Simpson, director of education for the South Shore district school board, would not comment on the case Monday. "We've looked into that matter but I can't make a comment at this time," hesaid. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:39:29 -0600 From: "Byting Mouse Computer Services" Subject: Why so many mistakes? I was talking to an employee of the CFC today who explained a couple of = things. I always wondered why there were so many mistakes in the = registrations. The person told me that the gun registry in Ottawa has = been losing a lot of staff and so did the Miramichi center. The = registry is using a computer scanning device which through a software = will recognize the information on the form. The problem comes when the = writing is bad or if a box as been circled outside instead of an X in = the box. All of these forms are either rejected and to be processed = manually or the computer believes it found the answer and sends the = wrong information. So if you received a registration with mistakes, for = example a letter in the serial number which is wrongly recognized, blame = it on the computer which cannot read your writing. Moderator: Plain terxt Only Please! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:55:54 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: I have a permit PUBLICATION: Red Deer Advocate DATE: 2002.02.05 SECTION: Comment PAGE: A4 COLUMN: Letters - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- I have a permit - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Planning a trip to the mountains, I have to make two checklists: One for gear and one for permits. I have a driver's permit and permits on my truck and camper. When I get there I will buy a camping permit and fire permit. I will chop wood in the forest with a firewood permit. My quad has a permit as does the trailer I have it on. I plan on doing some hunting, so I have a wildlife permit to buy a general hunting permit which I need to buy a permit to hunt deer, a permit to hunt grouse and a permit to hunt ducks. I also have a permit to carry a and a permit to buy shells. My fishing permit is still valid so I will also load my boat and permit, although I still have to get a watercraft operator's permit. So please God, when I go, I hope I don't need a permit to pass through the gates into Heaven after my wife gets a permit to turn off my life support. Gary Davis Red Deer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:55:50 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Re Digest 513 father/son charged "John E. Stevens" wrote: > At 08:40 PM 2/4/2002 -0600, awp wrote: > >Sent to London Free Press this date. > >February 04 2002 Re:- > > > >PUBLICATION: The London Free Press > >DATE: 2002.02.01 > >SECTION: City & region > >PAGE: B6 > >SOURCE: Free Press Reporter > >BYLINE: John Herbert > > > >Dear Mr Herbert & Editor, > > > >Noted alleged charge & more > >Inaccurate press reporting, [ 30-30 a rifle] no requirement in law for > >it to be registered until 0001- 01- 2003 possibly as an old bastard I am > >being to picky however to an uninformed reader it would appear to be truth. > >Sincerely > >Mr A W Parsons > > > >" FREEDOM " For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a > >FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous > > Actually this was not a case of inaccurate reporting (although the reporter > didn't know enough to question it). The London police did actually lay a > charge of possession of an unregistered firearm, in regards to the rifle > that doesn't need to be regestered yet. I suppose this gives them an extra > item to plea bargin away. Well, if the person in question did *not* have a licence, the he would be in breach of the law for possessing a firearm, which, because he has no licence, *cannot* be registered. So, the only mistake in the article was refering to the firearm as "unlicensed" when it was the person that was unlicensed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:55:53 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Shots fired into Newfoundland school PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2002.02.05 SECTION: Canada PAGE: A17 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Shots fired into Newfoundland school - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- STEPHENVILLE, Nfld. (CP) - Police are investigating a weekend incident during which shots were fired into an empty school building here. Cpl. Law Power, a spokesman for the RCMP, said the person responsible fired bullets into the Stephenville Middle School building through some windows, damaging the school's interior. About six bullets are believed to have been fired, causing only minor damage. The type of used in the incident is not known. Police said they don't think the incident means there is a threat to the public or the school. But classes were cancelled Monday while RCMP forensic specialists completedtheir scene investigation. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:55:53 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Man faces weapons charges; back in court Tuesday PUBLICATION: Red Deer Advocate DATE: 2002.02.04 SECTION: Local PAGE: B1 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Man faces weapons charges; back in court Tuesday - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- A Red Deer man whose threats to police resulted in a standoff has been charged with weapons offences. Edward Martin Ryhorchuk, 27, has been charged with possession of a without a licence, careless storage of a and uttering a threat. RCMP said they were threatened with violence during a phone conversation with a distressed man on Jan. 10. The RCMP Emergency Response Team evacuated residents from his apartment building on Park Avenue in the Pines neighbourhood. During a two-hour standoff, police spoke to the man from outside his apartment and calmed him down, said Insp. Gilles Guertin. The man surrendered peacefully. His rifle was seized. At the time of the standoff, Guertin would not confirm whether the man had a gun. Ryhorchuk will appear in court Tuesday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:55:52 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Teen arrested after boy hit by pellet PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2002.02.05 SECTION: Metro PAGE: A3 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Teen arrested after boy hit by pellet - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Halifax Regional Police arrested a teenager who allegedly shot a 10-year-old boy with a pellet on Monday afternoon. The boy was walking along Cobalt Walk in Halifax when he was struck in the back by a pellet fired from a pellet rifle, police said. The boy was not seriously hurt. Police later arrested an 18-year-old, who will be arraigned today on assaultand weapons charges. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:00:26 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editor's Comment (That would be too good to be true.) PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2002.02.05 SECTION: Editorial/opinion PAGE: 14 COLUMN: Letters to the editor - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- LETTERS TO THE EDITOR COLUMN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- RETURNING FROM a short trip out of the province, I was amazed to check the Sun and see headlines to the effect, "Feds misdirect $3.3 billion." Before reading further, my immediate assumption was that the Liberals have finally owned up to the true cost of their useless Registry. Thomas J. Empey Editor's Comment (That would be too good to be true.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:03:51 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Two men arrested in break-in wanted on national warrants PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2002.02.05 EDITION: Final SECTION: Capital Region PAGE: B3 SOURCE: Times Colonist - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Two men arrested in break-in wanted on national warrants - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- A Victoria police dog nabbed two men armed with a loaded after a break-in Monday afternoon in an apartment building near Hillside Avenue and Doncaster Drive. Staff Sgt. Ron Brain said the two men, who are in their forties, were wanted on Canada-wide warrants for parole revocation. They will appear in Victoria provincial court this morning to face charges of robbery and possession of a loaded . Just before noon, Victoria police received a report that a man returning to his third-floor apartment discovered two men inside his suite. "When they bolted past him, one of them sprayed him with pepper spray. He managed to call 911 and police responded to the area," said Brain. The victim has recovered from the pepper spray and is doing fine, said Brain. He did not see the loaded . Police secured the area while dog handler Const. Sean Millard and Nitro tracked the suspects to Oaklands elementary school on Belmont Avenue. Police were surprised by the fact the men had a loaded . "Fortunately, it doesn't happen very often," said Brain. "Const. Millard and Nitro had just returned from training last year and were pretty excited about the apprehension today. It was also due to the collective effort of members on the patrol shift." Anyone with information should call Sgt. Dave Mann or Sgt. Charles Bates at995-7654. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:03:53 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SUSPECTS SOUGHT IN FIVE HEISTS PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2002.02.05 SECTION: News PAGE: 26 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- SUSPECTS SOUGHT IN FIVE HEISTS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- City police are looking for suspects in five robberies that happened over the weekend and yesterday morning. Yesterday at 1:15 a.m., two men wearing ski masks and toting aluminum baseball bats walked into the Twin Brooks Esso at 12 Avenue and 111 Street. The men grabbed cash from the till and took the clerk to a back room, where they emptied other cash drawers. Then they ordered the clerk to stay in the back cooler for half an hour while they made their getaway. The clerk wasn't hurt. The suspects are white men in their early 20s, between five-foot-10 and six-foot-one. One was 160 pounds while the other was 200 pounds. On Saturday at 6:26 a.m., a restaurant night manager was making a bank deposit to an outdoor deposit window at the CIBC near 61 Street and 28 Avenue. A man approached her and pointed a black handgun at her, while demanding the cash. He then prodded her chest with the barrel, so she handed over two deposit bags. The suspect is an Asian man, five-foot-three, 106 pounds, wearing dark clothes. On Saturday at 7 p.m., two women were robbed at gunpoint by a couple of thugs at a West Edmonton Mall parking lot. More than $1,000 in cash, identification, vehicle registration, and a cellphone were stolen. The suspects are black men between the ages of 25 and 30. Around the same time, two men walked into the Rundle Heights Food store near 106 Avenue and 34 Street and pulled a on the clerk while demanding cash. The bandits grabbed some money and fled. The suspects are native men between the ages of 20 and 25, and between five-foot-seven and five-foot-10. Later at 11:41 p.m., two men walked into the Mac's store near 133 Street and 118 Avenue and pulled a knife on the clerk. They grabbed some cash, lottery tickets and smokes. The suspects are native men, between the ages of 18 and 25, and betweenfive-foot-nine and six-feet tall. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 02:03:53 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FW: Release - THE ANSWER IS NO LIBERALS TURN DOWN REQUEST FOR NAT IONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca > -----Original Message----- > From: Official Opposition Press Office - Service de presse de > l'opposition officielle > Sent: February 5, 2002 4:41 PM > Subject: Release - THE ANSWER IS NO LIBERALS TURN DOWN REQUEST FOR > NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY > > <<...OLE_Obj...>> > News Release > Randy White, MP > Official Opposition House Leader > > > THE ANSWER IS NO > > LIBERALS TURN DOWN REQUEST FOR NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY LESS > THAN A YEAR AFER THEY VOTED TO SUPPORT IT > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - Tuesday, February 5, 2002 > > OTTAWA - Ten months after Liberal MPs voted in favour of supporting a > motion to establish a national sex offender registry, the government has > shown its true colours by indicating it will not support a motion tabled > today that would allow for enabling legislation to be created. Opposition > House Leader Randy White, who moved the motion, says the government > inaction on this issue has put children even further at risk. > > In his speech today, Solicitor General Lawrence MacAulay indicated Canada > already has a sex offender registry in the form of the Canadian Police > Information Centre (or CPIC). In addition, he has spent $2 million to > upgrade the system to allow for offenders addresses to be added to the > database, along with their names and offences. "However, the provincial > justice ministers said last fall the CPIC upgrade isn't enough," said > White. "They have been joined by the Canadian Police Association, Chiefs > of Police and various victims groups in calling for a more flexible search > tool that will include physical characteristics and photographs and will > provide jurisdictional searches and radius searches - something even an > upgraded CPIC system won't offer." > > Currently, only Ontario has a sex offender registry. Opened this April, > it has almost 5,000 names on it, with over 90% of offenders complying with > the provincial legislation that forces them to report annually. Other > provinces are starting to follow Ontario's lead, since they have offered > up the software to run the registry free of charge to whoever would like > it (including the federal government). In August 2001, premiers from > every province and territory pledged to work together to create an > inter-provincial sex offender database due to federal government inaction. > > The main issue in regards to having a quick, complete, searchable database > to be used for a national sex offender registry is one of time. Data > indicates that a rapid response during an investigation of a child > abduction for a sexual purpose is critical. Of those victims who were > murdered - 44% were dead within one hour of the abduction - 74% within > three hours and 91% within 24 hours. A sex offender registry would assist > police by identifying all registered sex offenders living within a > particular geographic area, something CPIC doesn't do. In excess of 75 > per cent of the time, an offender lives within a two-km radius of where > the incident occurs. > > "The minister speaks of a national consensus on this issue, and on that > point he is correct," said White. "Every group, whether it be provincial > justice ministers, police associations or front line officers, agree on > one thing. I have received hundreds of letters, representing over 100,000 > front line officers that state clearly the following: The Canadian Police > Information Centre (CPIC) does not presently meet their requirements for a > sex offender registry. They support the creation of a separate database, > available to police through the CPIC network, which contains specific > details on convicted sex offenders. In addition, such offenders should > be required to register their residence with police on an annual basis, > and provide immediate notification of any change of residence. Failure to > register with police should be cause for concern and grounds for a warrant > to arrest." > > Why is the government not prepared to act on a motion that enhances the > protection of all Canadian children? Why did it say no to a national sex > offender registry? > > > - 30 - > > > FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: Randy White MP - (613) 995-0183 > > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #520 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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