From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca on behalf of Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 07 February, 2002 17:04 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #526 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, February 7 2002 Volume 04 : Number 526 In this issue: Re: Why so many mistakes? Letter #2 - Hunting we will go Letter #3 - Hunting we will go Anti-fur protest set for Friday FW: National Review Online: Little Island that Roared NUMBER OF GUNS & GUN OWNERS A CABINET SECRET? Hunting numbers down - 3 letters Lawyers six times more likely to kill themselves Man set free with time served Mauser Quiz - Feb 2002 Animal Rights law needs teeth Re: COP "Access" weblink? disarmament doesn't work ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:47:45 -0600 From: LawrenceAWehren@aol.com Subject: Re: Why so many mistakes? In a message dated 02/06/2002 1:58:25 AM, bytingm@nbnet.nb.ca writes: <> I wonder if that's the reason they say I own a Springfield 45/70 single shot "Semi-Automatic"? They say I own one, (this is an original, Trapdoor model, made in 1879) I just have to find it.Larry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:47:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter #2 - Hunting we will go PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2002.02.07 EDITION: National SECTION: Editorials PAGE: A19 COLUMN: Letters BYLINE: Mark Holmes SOURCE: National Post DATELINE: PETERBOROUGH, Ont. NOTE: Mark Holmes, communications specialist, Ontario Federationof Anglers and Hunters. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Hunting we will go - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- The headline Duck Hunters Headed for Extinction (Feb. 4) might be funny if, in reality, it weren't so unfortunate. Stating that the declining number of hunters is good news for the birds is wrong. A loss of habitat, not , is the number one threat to wildlife, including ducks and geese. Ducks and geese are thriving in most parts of Canada, and it is hunters that have shouldered the bulk of responsibility for protecting their habitat. Licence fees worth $70-million a year, paid by hunters to harvest a few birds for the dinner table, fund the vast majority of wildlife management programs in Canada. The Canadian Wildlife Service recognizes that fewer hunters translates into a decline in wildlife programs. Alberta has recognized that a loss of hunters is a net loss to our natural resources, and programs to recruit hunters have been started. Hunters are also the core of volunteer donations of time and money to wildlife programs, accounting for $335-million over the past 15 years. All of these benefits to our environment and economy are completely sustainable. Without hunters, the losses will be enormous. Mark Holmes, communications specialist, Ontario Federation of Anglers andHunters, Peterborough, Ont. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:47:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter #3 - Hunting we will go PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2002.02.07 EDITION: National SECTION: Editorials PAGE: A19 COLUMN: Letters BYLINE: Eric Grinnell SOURCE: National Post DATELINE: CALGARY, Alta. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Hunting we will go - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- The headline Groups Lobby Alberta Politicians for Fenced Preserves (Feb. 6) is misleading in suggesting groups are lobbying for the preserves. Associations representing people who raise deer are instead lobbying for them. The two true groups in Alberta are the Alberta Fish and Game Association, representing the resident sportsman, and the Alberta Professional Outfitters Society, representing all Alberta Guide/ Outfitters. As the story noted, the Alberta Fish and Game Association is opposed to these preserves, and a poll of the Alberta Professional Outfitters Society indicates 73% of members are opposed. Eric Grinnell, Calgary, Alta. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:47:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Anti-fur protest set for Friday PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal DATE: 2002.02.07 SECTION: New Brunswick PAGE: A10 SOURCE: Telegraph-Journal BYLINE: TRACY CARR - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Anti-fur protest set for Friday - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Members of the Society Against Animal and Environmental Exploitation are inviting members of the public to speak out against using fur as a fashion statement. The group will stage a protest march against the fashion fur industry in Fredericton on Friday, beginning at 3:30 p.m. People will begin marching at Fredericton City Hall, and proceed along Queen, York, King and Carleton streets until 6:30 p.m. The society is holding the protest as part of observing Canada's 13th annual Anti-Fur Day, which falls on the Saturday before Valentine's Day. The theme of this year's Anti-Fur Day is "Have a heart - Don't buy fur." However, Cade Libbey, a wildlife biologist with the Department of Natural Resources and Energy who also traps, said the fur industry and the trapping that provides animal hides to the fashion industry are an important part of both New Brunswick's heritage and its forest management. "People have been trapping animals for their fur in Canada since the 1700s," he said. "It's an important part of Canadian culture. And it helps regulate the animal population." Mr. Libbey said the industry is tightly regulated in Canada, and is restricted to certain species of animals and humane trapping methods. Trapping reduces populations of animals that would, without trapping, multiply to the point where they would die anyway of more distressing causes "We're controlling the animals' populations," he said. "If there are too many of a type of animal in one area, many will starve to death because there just isn't enough food to sustain them. Or they will carry diseases or become a nuisance. "Through trapping, we're reducing the surplus numbers, and letting people earn a little bit of money through the hides." As for fur as fashion, Mr. Libbey said people have been wearing fur for as long as they have been . "Fur is one of the warmest materials around and it's durable," he said. He said fur garments - that aren't made of pelts from endangered species - are also better for the environment than the alternative of synthetic materials. "Synthetics are petroleum products and when they're worn out, we throw them in a landfill. Fur is a renewable, natural resource. And human beings have always depended on natural resources." Reach our reporter tjcamp@nb.aibn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 14:47:46 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FW: National Review Online: Little Island that Roared Little Island that Roared The story of Bougainville. By Dave Kopel , Paul Gallant & Joanne Eisen, the Independence Institute February 6, 2002 9:05 a.m. http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel020602.shtml Little Island that Roared The story of Bougainville. By Dave Kopel, Paul Gallant & Joanne Eisen, the Independence Institute February 6, 2002 9:05 a.m. http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel020602.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:44:13 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: NUMBER OF GUNS & GUN OWNERS A CABINET SECRET? BREITKREUZ ATI REQUEST August 2, 2001 - "On Thursday, April 22, 1999, Prime Minister Jean Chretien was quoted in the National Post: "I've always been committed to gun control," he said. "Even with gun control we might have some problems, we've seen that here in Ottawa...But at least with less guns available you have less chance of seeing tragedies like that." Given that the Prime Minister's publicly stated objective of the government's gun control program is to make "less guns available" please provide copies of records documenting the government's short-term and long-term projections for the number of guns and gun owners in Canada." DEPT OF JUSTICE RESPONSE - File: A-2001-0156/ms January 17, 2002 - "We are now in the position to confirm our position regarding the treatment under the Act of that the three outstanding pages (17, 38 and 56) related to the 118 pages that are responsive to your request. They are excluded from disclosure pursuant to section 69(1)(g) re (a) & (c) [confidences of the Queen's Privy Council of Canada] of the Act." BREITKREUZ COMPLAINT TO THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER January 17, 2002 - "Please find attached a copy of my original request dated August 2, 2001 and the Justice Department's 115-page response dated January 9, 2002. You will note that the department has not provided any documents with respect to the "long-term projections of the number of guns and gun owners in Canada" as we specifically requested. The Prime Minister of Canada has specifically stated that the goal of the program is to reduce the number of firearms. It is inconceivable that department has not responded to the Prime Minister's clearly stated policy objective with documentation showing how his goal will be achieved and the results expected year-by-year for the next ten or fifteen years. The Prime Minister would also expect the department to produce documents showing the correlation between the projected reduction in the number of firearms and the impact this will have on firearms crime." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:44:15 -0600 From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: Hunting numbers down - 3 letters Three letter-writers weighed in today in the NP. Hunting we will go The headline Duck Hunters Headed for Extinction (Feb. 4) might be funny if, in reality, it weren't so unfortunate. Stating that the declining number of hunters is good news for the birds is wrong. A loss of habitat, not hunting, is the number one threat to wildlife, including ducks and geese. Ducks and geese are thriving in most parts of Canada, and it is hunters that have shouldered the bulk of responsibility for protecting their habitat. Licence fees worth $70-million a year, paid by hunters to harvest a few birds for the dinner table, fund the vast majority of wildlife management programs in Canada. The Canadian Wildlife Service recognizes that fewer hunters translates into a decline in wildlife programs. Alberta has recognized that a loss of hunters is a net loss to our natural resources, and programs to recruit hunters have been started. Hunters are also the core of volunteer donations of time and money to wildlife programs, accounting for $335-million over the past 15 years. All of these benefits to our environment and economy are completely sustainable. Without hunters, the losses will be enormous. Mark Holmes, communications specialist, Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters, Peterborough, Ont. Hunting we will go I object strenuously to your use of the phrase "gun down" in connection with hunters and hunting . Ethical hunters do not wantonly "gun down" animals; this is an emotionally loaded term most commonly used to refer to illegal acts against human beings. Waterfowl hunters are among the most conservation minded people in Canada. Ducks Unlimited was started by hunters who were dismayed at the deterioration of wetlands as waterfowl habitats, and their efforts were geared toward preserving them so that there would be sustainable numbers for future hunters. Monies from hunting licences and waterfowl permits go toward other projects to support such renewable resources. Without hunters, our flocks and herds would be in dismal shape. Barriers to hunting, such as increases in permits and fees, including onerous firearms legislation and anti-gun and animal rights propaganda, are bad for wildlife. Bruce N. Mills, Dundas, Ont. Hunting we will go The headline Hunting Groups Lobby Alberta Politicians for Fenced Preserves (Feb. 6) is misleading in suggesting hunting groups are lobbying for the preserves. Associations representing people who raise deer are instead lobbying for them. The two true hunting groups in Alberta are the Alberta Fish and Game Association, representing the resident sportsman, and the Alberta Professional Outfitters Society, representing all Alberta Guide/ Outfitters. As the story noted, the Alberta Fish and Game Association is opposed to these preserves, and a poll of the Alberta Professional Outfitters Society indicates 73% of members are opposed. Eric Grinnell, Calgary, Alta. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Richard A. Fritze (780) 449-3808 - Phone (780) 464-6707 - Fax www.fritze.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:44:15 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Lawyers six times more likely to kill themselves National Post, National ed. Canada, Wednesday, August 15, 2001, p. A09 Canadian Bar Association Lawyers at risk for depression, addiction: Six times more likely to kill themselves Sandra Rubin National Post SASKATOON - Lawyers frequently pay a devastating price for their professional lives with rates of drug addiction and suicide that far exceed those of the general population, the Canadian Bar Association was told yesterday. "We have three times the number of alcoholics as the normal population, three times the number of drug addicts, three times the number of clinically depressed and, amazingly, six times the suicide rate," said Ronald Profit, a Charlottetown lawyer, citing statistics compiled by the Legal Profession Assistance Conference in Toronto. Mr. Profit told a panel discussion that the pressures placed upon lawyers are rarely spoken about. "I think there are about 150 private, practising lawyers in P.E.I.," he said, "but in the past four years I know four who have gone on stress leave, 10 practices that have been taken away due to alcoholism, fraud, perjury. Two have gone to prison for three- or four-year terms for stealing. "This is nearly 10% of our bar, and that's just what I recall quickly. But I think it's happening in all our jurisdictions." Mr. Profit blamed much of the problem on the effects of long work days, enormous pressure to augment billable hours, and the tone of confrontation that permeates so many legal interactions. "The tension between being civil and being a forceful and fierce advocate is one more stress," he said. He also cited the impact of "dealing with sometimes emotionally disturbed clients, files which often involve the most troubling of human emotions, and an adversarial climate in which a fellow lawyer is paid to attack you and your client." Mr. Profit said much has been made lately of the fact that lawyers are not more courteous, honest and co-operative. But, he said, that is often the dark side of spending most of one's working life in a deeply confrontational climate. He urged about 30 lawyers and judges attending the session "to remove the adversarial tone." The panel was told that lawyers involved in disputes have nowhere to turn, increasing the frustration and hostility levels. Carla Courtenay, from Vancouver, said the Law Society of British Columbia recently hired a part-time staff member to deal exclusively with grievances between lawyers that fall outside the law. She said such disputes can flare into major fights, mainly due to the win-at-all-costs mentality. Category: News Uniform subject(s): Laws and regulations; Psychology and human behavior; Suicide and attempted suicides; Trials and lawsuits Subject(s) - National Post: Lawyers; Mental health; Reports; Statistics; Conferences; Saskatoon Company(ies): Canadian Bar Association; Legal Profession Assistance Conference Story type(s): News Length: Medium, 325 words © 2001 National Post. All rights reserved. Doc.: 20010815NP1500495 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:44:20 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Man set free with time served PRIORITY: Rush CATEGORY: Quebec-Ontario regional general news DATE: 2002.01.29 DATELINE: KENORA PUBLICATION: cpw - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- BC-Ontario-Digest, 2nd Add code:4; INDEX: Justice; Man set free with time served - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- KENORA (CP) - A man found with restricted weapons, ammunition and a bag of cash has been sentenced to time served after pleading guilty to three charges of possessing a loaded restricted firearm without a licence. Court heard Akdag spent 4 1/2 months in pre-trial custody after police pulled him over in a silver Porsche on the Trans-Canada Highway near Clearwater Bay on Sept. 21. A search of the sports car turned up ammunition, several weapons and a bag containing $162,000 in cash. The defence argued Akdag had already spent a substantial amount of time in jail and asked that he be sentenced to time served. Akdag agreed to forfeit the seized money and was handed three concurrent, one-day sentences for the three charges and two years probation. (KenoraDaily Miner and News) --- Doctors work overtime to staff Sault hospital ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:44:16 -0600 From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: Mauser Quiz - Feb 2002 Prof. Mauser has posted a quiz that is educational. It is at http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/publications/forum/2002/02/section_09.html Richard A. Fritze (780) 449-3808 - Phone (780) 464-6707 - Fax www.fritze.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:44:15 -0600 From: "rossj." Subject: Animal Rights law needs teeth Clayton Ruby, the lawyer darling of the cookier group opens his mouth again but p[rovides little if any true insight. More hot air withoput backup read on! Crimes against animals must be taken seriously. Many studies confirm that people who torture and kill animals for fun later "graduate" to treating humans the same way. Subject: Re: COP Rick Lowe said: >I thought the OPP still wore blue I believe the OPP dropped the milk-man uniform at least two years ago. >My my... how like Wendy Cukier you sound! She says fear the guns because >they're inherently dangerous - you say fear the police because they're >inherently dangerous. Neither of you seems capable of grasping the concept >that it is the intent of the individual that determines a good, evil, or >indifferent outcome - not an inanimate object or organization. I am sure that you understand how daft this sounds. While the police may often appear to be decorative statues purchased by Tim Hortons, I assure you that they are not inanimate objects. Intent is the key thing that differentiates them from a gun. To repeat a well-known bromide: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." The cops are the people. They are wilful actors, not clumps of metal. >Furthermore, police swear an oath to uphold the law in this country. Look to another currently active thread to find my response to the idea that it is a good thing to do bad things because you made a promise. >As for "violent force instead of persuasion", in most cases violent force >is only used when attempts at persuasion are met with resistance or violent >behavior. No, this is not correct. The only persuasion that the police employ is of the "do what we say and we will hurt you LESS" variety. >But by God, we sure don't have any problems with stereotyping those Nazi >police, no sir! It isn't a stereotype; it is a job requirement. >Cukier just has to be delighted to hear firearms owners carrying on like >this. This may shock you, but I don't think Cukier spends her time on the CFD reading your messages. She may, but she seems to have a full time job and other hobbies, and the CFD can consume many hours of a persons day. She does have an email address. And, at one point, she did respond to email sent to it. Her response to CFD related queries was invariably "huh? dunno? wuzzat?" >Sometimes firearms owners remind me of the Reform/ >Alliance Party - we just can't seem to avoid cutting our own throats by >making stupid comments that make >voters mistrust us. Don't worry, some day you will get it. _________________________________________________________________ http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:03:56 -0600 From: "Fred Davis" Subject: "Access" weblink? Is "Canadian Access to Firearms" still publishing? Their age-old URL at http://www.hypertech.yk.ca/business/whitehorse/firearms/ is broken. Searching on Google.com only turns up the broken link. Fred Moderator: direct your inquiry to skeet@shaw.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:03:56 -0600 From: "Jason Hayes - UofC" Subject: disarmament doesn't work Although I do not advocate persons creating their own firearms, for obvious legal reasons, these two articles demonstrate the futility of disarmament schemes. As we have heard here before, even moderately skilled machinists can create working firearms, relatively easily, from scrap. Jason Hayes Graduate Studies Student University of Calgary - Faculty of Environmental Design E-mail: jthayes@ucalgary.ca Little Island that Roared The story of Bougainville. By Dave Kopel, Paul Gallant & Joanne Eisen, the Independence Institute February 6, 2002 9:05 a.m. "We started investigating Bougainville last spring, when we learned that the Bougainville Revolutionary Army (BRA) had established production of a copy of the M-16 automatic rifle during its 10-year war of independence. That development was revealed to us by an anonymous source present at the United Nations Asia Pacific Regional Disarmament Conference, held in the Spring of 2001. The conference was tightly controlled, and neither press nor observers were present. During off-the-cuff remarks delivered at the end of the session's 15-minute "discussion time," conference participants were informed that BRA insurgents had been fabricating their own guns. Completely cut off from imports by the lack of funds and by the blockade, the BRA used materiel and equipment salvaged from mining operations, and materials left on the island after World War II (including thousands of tons of ammunition, and machine-gun parts salvaged from wrecks). Initially, the Bougainville Revolutionary Army (many of whom were skilled tradesmen) manufactured crude single-shot firearms, but they soon learned to build more sophisticated guns. Any mention of Bougainville was conspicuously absent from the U.N.'s Conference on the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All its Aspects, held just a few months later. This was the conference where the U.N. renewed its call for increased control over civilian firearm possession and gun manufacturers. The stated intent of the conference was to prevent possession of firearms without government approval, with the pretext of attaining greater political stability throughout the world. As the "leader" of the world's governments (most of which are dictatorships), the U.N. spearheads civilian disarmament, filching bits and pieces of sovereignty from its member nations in the process. Widespread knowledge of the Bougainville "problem", and what happened there, would only serve to undermine the U.N.'s attempted power grab by underscoring the folly of a policy touted as capable of restricting firearms to agents of government." Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel020602.shtml Bougainville - Small Nation, Big Message 21 November 2001, 9:57 pm Column: Aziz Choudry Mekim Na Savvy: Bougainville - Small Nation, Big Message By Aziz Choudry "...Without modern weapons, the BRA built guns from waterpipes which could fire more quickly than the automatic weapons of the PNG Defence Force..." 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