From: Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 10:48 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #543 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, February 14 2002 Volume 04 : Number 543 In this issue: PEN sHOOTING Support from PC candidates New blood Re: To Find Lost Fish, Dial Mother Nature's Number > > TO FIND LOST FISH, DIAL MOTHER NATURE'S NUMBER BETTER LATE THAN NEVER Re: CPA Petition ATI Request Template Fw: The Cretin and the Cormorant Trends in Police Personnel and Expenditures - 1962-2000 Gun Crimes... Re: It ain't my cup of tea, but... Re: penned elk > Take a steer calf. Raise it on a fenced pasture. When it's the right > size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a special (captive > bolt) gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, and burgers. > Take an elk calf. Raise it on a fenced wood lot. When it's the right > size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a special (hunting) > gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, and burgers. > If there's a difference, I don't see it. The only thing I would say is > the name ought to be changed to 'domesticated game harvesting'. Gun Show Feb. 17. Burnaby, BC Just =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3200?= for a gun in London Hells Angels deported for weapons offence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:51:07 -0600 From: unknown Subject: PEN sHOOTING On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Michael Ackermann wrote: > Take a steer calf. Raise it on a fenced pasture. When it's the right > size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a special > (captive bolt) gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, > and burgers. Take an elk calf. Raise it on a fenced wood lot. When > it's the right size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a > special (hunting) gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, > and burgers. If there's a difference, I don't see it. The only thing > I would say is the name ought to be changed to 'domesticated game > harvesting'. You forgot that, for the elk, you take the head to the taxidermist and call it "hunting". Moderator: One journalist in the Edmonton journal today referred to it as "bambi hunting". Sorry the original sender and subject were accidently deleted. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:51:08 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: Support from PC candidates We can debate this until the cows come home; but I have a huge paper and electronic correspondence file from 1998 to 2000 to document it. Behaviourists say, "Listen to what a person says, but pay particular attention to what they actually DO." That's why psych types are meticulous at recording observations of physical behaviours as well as oral verbalizations. During my protracted grandfathered FAC-come-PAL case, only Solicitor General Bob Runciman (PC Leeds-Grenville), Elgin MPP Peter North (former NDP, then Independent), Bill Murdoch (PC Grey-Owen Sound) and Steve Peters, later MLA for Elgin-Middlesex-London were of any tangible assistance. Premier Harris, PC Minister's Ernie Eves, Chris Hodgson, Charles Harnick, John Snobelen, David Tsubouchi, David Turnbull, Elizabeth Witmer and David Young, and MLAs Toby Barrett, Harry Danforth, Ernie Hardeman, Helen Johns, Jerry Ouellette, David Tilson, Bob Wood and former Middlesex MPP Bruce Smith did squat. I rec'd all kinds of stories about how my problem was a 'federal' one. (Not true). I actually spent time reading sections of C-17's FA applicable at the time and relevant sections of the following C-68 FA over the telephone to some of the members above. I also wrote to Wood, then Chair of the PCs Red Tape Reduction Commission suggesting that some major purging of 'obtructionistic' provincial firearm laws and procedures would benefit law abiding citizens, outfitters, gun dealers, etc. Never heard a thing more. Strange, considering that the Red Tape Reduction group did some very progressive legislative work for ATVers and snowmobile clubs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:51:08 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: New blood I recently lamented the loss of firearm activists - freedomists - - over the years we have carried on the repeal/dramatically amend Bill C-68. Of course, our severe problems started with Bill C-17 It is a cause for celebration when a new face joins the crusade. One such person has done a tremendous job of researching and hosting legal documents and recently established a significant precedent. Salute! Check out the site ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:51:37 -0600 From: janegaffin@canada.com Subject: Re: To Find Lost Fish, Dial Mother Nature's Number > > TO FIND LOST FISH, DIAL MOTHER NATURE'S NUMBER (Whitehorse Star, Feb. 11, 2002)> > by Jane Gaffin > > The federal department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) has lost its fish and doesn't know where to fine them. > So, DFO's initiative to solve the great mystery of the missing salmon has always been to lay blame at the doorstep of any privately-operated business. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca > In 1999, I met with two DFO officials. "The DFO," said the head of the enforcement section, "has a fiduciary responsibility to ensure that First Nation people have fish." > He believed tough questions were one day going to be asked about the state of the resources and he wanted to have answers ready. > The downtrend in fish stocks has been blamed on everything from the earth rotating backwards to El Nino's cousin doing capricious things out in the ocean. > On this particular occasion, DFO suspected the culprits causing a deficit in salmon stocks were recreationists' overfishing and selling surplus on the black market to recoup costs for their holidays. > "The people we're primarily concerned with are the opportunists who're turning a fast buck for low overhead in the fresh market," the enforcement chief continued. > The meeting was instigated because DFO had not done any investigation before a pair of armed inspectors carried out enforcement based solely on a bad assumption. > They swooped in on the Wharf on Fourth fish shop in a threatening manner and were eyeing restaurants and grocery stores, which also buy fish from commercial suppliers for resale. > DFO officers demanded detailed documentation about every species of seafood that was coming into the Wharf family-operated business and who was buying the products. > The task would add six to eight hours a week to the husband-wife team's already heavy work schedule, thus cutting into the profit side of the ledger. > DFO didn't care. It claimed the right to demand information under Section 61 (Information Returns) of the Fisheries Act. The targeted person was told to provide the information, or else. Section 78 (Offences and Punishment) provides leverage for DFO to prosecute for non-compliance. > Nas-tee! A few minutes into the meeting, the field supervisor admitted he only needed to focus strictly on salmon. The Wharf owner could just fax invoices which provided pertinent information. > Then it became apparent the project would not extend into perpetuity. DFO could collect baseline information in one season--two at the most. > DFO never found the fish. But I found a 50-page "2001 Yukon Y.T. Chinook and Chum Integrated Fishery Mangement Plan". > Any one who has the patience to struggle through the pages of data and columns of figures can see that something has gone awry out in the salt chuck. Since DFO doesn't have the capabilities to fix the problem, the easiest solution has been to blame others. > This time, the "others" are placer miners, who slug away, generating roughly $30 million in annual gold production for the Yukon's economy. > Under the Yukon Placer Authorization, which is presently under review to tighten water-discharge levels again, extraction costs have steepened as miners try to comply with stiff regulations. > The YPA was architected supposedly to prevent damage to fish populations and degradation of fish habitat. Yet there is no evidence that the placer mining industry is responsible for the decline of fish stocks. > Statistics are blocked into five-year segments t o coincide with the salmon's five-year life cycle, which starts in Canada's Yukon River watershed. > Their objective is to travel the long ocean-going journey and return home via Alaska to spawn in Yukon waters. > 1995 was the best year for chinook. (Chum figures fairly well mirror chinook numbers). > Of the 230,016 Canada-origined salmon that started up the Yukon River near Nome, Alaska, 177,663 were harvested by Alaskan natives and commercial operations. Of the 52,353 given passage into Canadian territory, Yukoners took 20,091. > The 32,262 that escaped every net and wheel and were allowed to spawn in all the rivers on the Canadian side of the border represented a 14-percent return. > Due to the five-year life cycle and the maximum chinook run of 1995, one would expect the 2000 figures to show another bumper year. Yet 2000 was a dismal year. > A total count of only 68,201 started up the Yukon River. This is a significant drop from the 230,016 that started up the Yukon River five years earlier. > So what happened to the fish stocks from the bumper run of 1995 to the low present-day numbers? In 1995, when fish stocks were healthy, approximately 200 placer operations throughout the territory were employing 700 seasonal workers. > With the gradual decline of placer mining, which began aroud the mid-1990s to the present reduction to 124 operations and 400 seasonal workers, came the dramatic downturn in fish stocks, too. > One could conclude that a strong placer mining industry helps retain the health of fish stocks. But statistics also show: 1. salmon are dying out in the Pacific Ocean somewhere; 2. the Alaskan fishing industry seems to be taking excessive amounts of stock. > While total Alaskan and Canadian catches have stayed below average since 1995, the overall percentages of total catches have, however, remained consistent. > According to the figures compiled by management planners on both sides of the border, placer miners have zippo to do with the low fish stocks or destroying fish habitat. > The Yukon River is simply a conduit for the fish. And placer creeks only effect about two percent of the Yukon River watershed. > There is little, if any, placer mining along the Pacific Coast watershed, nor in the Teslin River, Upper Stewart, Pelly River and the fish ladder at the Whitehorse dam, either. Yet all numbers are down proportionately. > Looking at a 10-year average, only 34.4 percent of Canada-bound chinook salmon are allowed to escape to the Yukon. Upon reaching the Yukon, a further 13.5 percent is removed by Canadian commercial and First Nation fisheries, leaving only 20.9percent of original Yukon-bound salmon to spawn. > Alaskans are credited with taking 65.6 percent of them. > Meanwhile, placer miners are being held hostage for the decline of fish stocks. DFO needs a scapegoat for its poor management practices and/or lack of knowledge, and the Yukon Conservation Society likes using fish as a hatchet for dismantling industry. > If these environmental influencers and enforcement agencies are successful in having placer miners' water licences revoked over revised discharge standards (water borrowed for temporary use will have to be returned cleaner than household tap water) all Yukoners will take another economic licking. > Ironically, shutting down placer mining won't even solve the mystery of the missing fish. As seen above, the focal point lies offshore. > So what would be the point in destroying the mining industry? > Instead of the economic contributors of this territory being forced out of business wholesale and uselessly, it would behoove the economic cleansers and misguided DFO biologists and enforcers to spend their time more wisely by trying to obtain Mother Nature's phone number. > Give her a ring. She'll have the answers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:52:11 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: BETTER LATE THAN NEVER News Release Randy White, MP Official Opposition House Leader FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE February 13, 2002 BETTER LATE THAN NEVER SOLICITOR GENERAL ANNOUNCES CREATION OF NATIONAL SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY - EIGHT DAYS AFTER LIBERALS VOTE AGAINST IT OTTAWA - Just one week after his government voted against creating legislation that would have enforced mandatory sex offender registration for a national sex offender registry, the Solicitor General has announced he will introduce legislation in the House that will make it mandatory for sex offenders to report changes of address to police. The stunning reversal came during a meeting of federal, provincial and territorial justice ministers in Moncton, N.B, where the provincial minister pushed the issue of mandatory registration. "It's amazing that eight days ago Lawrence MacAulay stood in the House of Commons and said he couldn't support the very same measure he is supporting today. All of the provinces had asked for was the ability to include pictures in a national sex offender registry, and create new legislation to force offenders to report their whereabouts to police," said Opposition Solicitor General critic Randy White. "It's nice to see the Solicitor General is now supporting the same position as the Alliance, Canadian Police Association, victims groups and justice ministers from across the country." White, who had introduced the original motion almost a year ago in the House of Commons to create a national sex offender registry, has already created mandatory registration legislation patterned after the Ontario registry as part of a private members bill (C-333). He adds that he would be more than happy to allow the federal government to use his bill as part of their new legislation. "If we can get the technical framework up and running by November, I can't see any reason why we can't have the legislation passed within the same time frame." Although White applauds the actions of the Solicitor General, he says the real praise should go to the provincial justice ministers. "Ontario put their money where their mouth was when they launched their provincial sex offender registry in April. Alberta was ready to follow suit today, with numerous provinces not far behind. They were the ones who pushed the issue today in New Brunswick and in the end, it will be Canadians who are better protected," concluded White. - - 30 - FOR FURTHER INFORMATION: Randy White MP - (604) 534-5955 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:13:37 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: CPA Petition Michael Ackermann wrote: > > When they ask me to sign their petition to toughen up sentencing laws, > I'm going to politely refuse, and hand them one of my 'Tough Love' > pamphlets. Do you have these "Tough Love" pamphlets online at your website? URL: > www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/SMSA_Web_Page.htm If you put "http://" in front of this, most mail programmes will turn it into a link that we can just click on. Bruce Hamilton Ontario Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:13:37 -0600 From: Christopher di Armani Subject: ATI Request Template Hi Gang, Thanks to some information from Sheldon Clare, I have updated the ati request package to include the RCMP's FRAS system. If you have firearms previously registered under with a green slip, you will need to query that database as well. The CFC does NOT have any information on these firearms. You can download the updated package from http://www.dolphinsoftware.bc.ca/firearms/download.htm Please distribute widely!!! Sincerely, Christopher di Armani NFA BC Director Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:13:55 -0600 From: "Rick Young & Carol MacLennan-Young" Subject: Fw: The Cretin and the Cormorant I had occasion to become pretty good pals with a fellow a few years back who was intimately involved with "all things Cormorant". Apparently, the manufacturer all but had a shrine set up to King Jean. If he hadn't canned the deal way back then, they would have lost their shirts as there was no way in hell at that time that they could have lived up to the delivery/production schedule set out in the contract. The penalties very likely would have put them out of business. No idea whether that played any part in the decision. However, my suspicion is that the the Little Guy from Shawinigan probably just handed them an unintentional multi-million dollar gift to go along with the intentional one. Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:18:42 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Trends in Police Personnel and Expenditures - 1962-2000 See attached PDF file. This was released by Statistics Canada on February 12, 2002 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/PolicePersonnel20020212.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:16:57 -0600 From: Jaded Junker Subject: Gun Crimes... In regard to: ST. CATHARINES - A man linked to Montreal street gangs - who was arrested with two loaded handguns after a kidnapping and robbery in Niagara Falls - got a 10-month jail sentence yesterday after throwing himself at the mercy of the judge. (rest of note snipped) ...this really can p---- a person off! If any farmer or home owner where to do away with a scum-bag invader, the book (extra time for use of a gun during the commiting of an offense) would no doubt be thrown with full force at the protector of home & family. Maybe a investigation should be made into Lastman's background, seeing as he is so chummy with the likes of the Hells Angels; could very well be he is one too. Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:16:55 -0600 From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Re: It ain't my cup of tea, but... OK, I'm convinced that there are environmental ant heritage issues that need to be considered in addition to just the processing and eating of meat. Thanks for your feedback. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.caSMSA URL: www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/SMSA_Web_Page.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:49:03 -0600 From: B Farion Subject: Re: penned elk > Take a steer calf. Raise it on a fenced pasture. When it's the right > size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a special (captive > bolt) gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, and burgers. > Take an elk calf. Raise it on a fenced wood lot. When it's the right > size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a special (hunting) > gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, and burgers. > If there's a difference, I don't see it. The only thing I would say is > the name ought to be changed to 'domesticated game harvesting'. Hi; I believe the bottom line is "trophy horns". Fair chase for trophies is expensive ($7500 for me to go elk and sheep hunting with an outfitter) with no guarantee of an animal. Plus crawling over snow covered hills and rock and getting humungus saddle sores. Feed a penned animal the proper suppliments gets a 7points plus set of horns that goes way up in the record books and thrashes my "fair chase" trophy. And you can not differentiate the trophy. Cheers Bill (;-) Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:12:03 -0600 From: "John Simmer" Subject: Gun Show Feb. 17. Burnaby, BC The Historical Arms Collectors Association (HACS) is hosting a gun show = on Sunday, February 17 in Burnaby B.C. at 4333 Ledger Ave. at the = Operating Engineers Hall. The location is near Canada Way at Ledger = Ave. Open 8:30 to 1:00, admission is $5.00. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:03:21 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Just =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3200?= for a gun in London t Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca I thought that guns were banned in Jamaica - however could they be exporting guns to the UK? http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=498815& Just £200 for a gun in London by Justin Davenport, Crime Correspondent Guns are regularly changing hands in London for only £200, highlighting the frightening spiral in violent crime, says Met Commissioner Sir John Stevens today. He adds that prices are tumbling because gangs have been importing huge numbers of weapons as they become ever more ruthless. An astonishing 600 guns are being recovered by police every year, but they admit this might be a fraction of the true number on the streets. For a little extra cash, criminals can even get hold of the fearsome Uzi sub-machinegun. Sir John says there is clear evidence that gun gangs are spreading across London whereas a few years ago they were confined to a handful of boroughs such as Lambeth, Hackney and Brent. Now police officers are being stationed in countries such as Romania to provide intelligence on drug and gun-smuggling routes into Britain. The Commissioner spoke out in an interview with the Evening Standard after a fortnight of escalating violence in which estate agent Tim Robinson was murdered outside his Battersea home and a gangster was left dead outside a police station in a bullet-riddled car. He also announced that an extra 50 detectives are to be redeployed to fight gun crime in the capital. Thirty officers will be seconded to Operation Trident, the unit which deals with black-on-black shootings, while the other 20 will work within the Serious and Organised Crime Group targeting other gun-carrying criminals. Sir John said: "We have to stem the large number of guns coming in. We know you can buy a gun in London for £200 to £300 now, and that's a frightening situation. The price of hiring or buying a gun has come down because there are more guns circulating. We are having success, we are taking out about 600 guns a year, but that's going up, it's escalating. " He said some of the weapons were " fearsome" Uzi sub-machine guns, a favourite weapon of the Yardie gangster. "We have a real problem with the importation of guns and I want to improve our relationship with some of these countries such as the former Eastern Bloc and Jamaica so we have proper intelligence to stop these people coming in not just with guns but with drugs. "The other frightening thing is that some people are converting guns for proper use. One factory in north London was found in an ordinary house." His warning comes as figures revealed that the number of firearm incidents involving Yardie-style gangsters in London had risen by 133 per cent in January compared with the same month in 2000, with police investigating four gun murders and 25 shootings. There were 38 firearms murders in London last year, a 52 per cent increase on the previous year. A total of 21 of these involved black-on black murders while there were 135 non-fatal shootings. Sir John said the decision to arm London's police was constantly under review and praised the "exceptional bravery" of unarmed officers tackling armed criminals daily. © Associated Newspapers Ltd., 13 February 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:47:15 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Hells Angels deported for weapons offence PUBLICATION WINNIPEG FREE PRESS DATE : THU FEB.14,2002 PAGE : A6 CLASS : City EDITION : - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Hells Angels oust past-president; another deported for weapons offence Biker gang loses two from its ranks - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Bruce Owen The Hells Angels are down to 10 full members in Winnipeg after one was deported to Portugal yesterday and another was booted out of the club last month. Winnipeg Police Service Vice Insp. Stan Tataryn couldn't be happier the original 12-member gang has been whittled down by two. "In a sense, until we can disseminate them, we'll disrupt," Tataryn said, about an hour after Ricardo Oliveira, 32, was put on an Air Canada flight out of the country. "If one-by-one they fall by the wayside, that's good." Oliveira was ordered deported after he pleaded guilty last Aug. 14 to possession of a restricted with ammunition. The charge stemmed from a June 29 incident that began in the parking lot of the Concord Motor Hotel. Police spotted a vehicle leaving with two men inside and tried to pull it over. During a nearly two-kilometre pursuit, officers saw something thrown from the car. A loaded .27 calibre semi-automatic was recovered, its serial number had been removed. Oliveira was sentenced to nine months in jail, but because the native of Portugal was on a stay of deportation since legal proceedings in 1994, his plea meant that when he was released from jail he'd be sent back to his homeland. Oliveira had lived in Winnipeg since he was a child, graduating from Tec Voc High School. He never obtained Canadian citizenship. In August, court was told his wife and three young children, who were all born in Canada, would also go to Portugal to start their lives again with him. His deportation follows last month's ousting of past-president Dan (Big Danny) Rogoski. "This is rare," a biker source said. "It's like a temporary leave of absence." The Hells Angels have been entrenched in the city for more than a year after absorbing former members of the Los Brovos and one member of the Redliners motorcycle gang. Sources say Rogoski had to turn in his patch and had his Harley-Davidson motorcycle seized by gang members. His expulsion came after a fire Dec. 14 destroyed Rogoski's family home in Springfield. A woman and two children got out safely. A cause has not been determined. The Hells Angels have two prospects being tested by the gang for possible promotion to full membership. Under club rules, the gang will lose chapter status if it falls below six full members. bruce.owen@freepress.mb.ca ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #543 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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