From: Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 20:15 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #546 Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, February 14 2002 Volume 04 : Number 546 In this issue: Re: CFO refuses to obey Court direction Gun Violence Punished Re: New blood More Info on BDP Business Data Services Limited Re: .27 cal Raids ?? registry errors Crunch time to register firearms Crunch time to register firearms: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:12:00 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: CFO refuses to obey Court direction Lee Jasper wrote: > > >From CFD V4 #451; Jan. 14/02: > There has been some discussion on the CFD about the negative > effect of our 'public sniping' at law enforcement personnel. > But when they flagrantly disobey the law AND the courts . . they > do make awfully huge targets for our derision. Do we get > 'technical merit or style points' when we publish these > incidents? > > This significant case was posted in CFD V4 #451; Jan. 14/02: > SUPERIOR COURT OF JUSTICE - ONTARIO > COURT FILE NO. 1301/01 > BEFORE: JUSTICE W.A. JENKINS; Jan. 8/02. > ENDORSEMENT. > >[1] The appellant appeals the decision of O'DEA J. refusing to >direct > the Chief Firearms' Officer to approve the transfer of a >restricted > firearm pursuant to s. 28 of the Firearm's Act. > (Note: O'DEA was a provincial court judge in a previous > Reference hearing). > > >[2] I find that O'DEA J. misinterpreted s. 76 of the Firearm's >Act by > holding that he did not have the authority to direct the >issuance of s. 19 > and s. 28 authorizations. As well, I find that >s. 28(b)(i) is disjunctive > and permits the Chief Firearm's >Officer to issue transfer approval without > the applicant being a >member of an authorized shooting club. > > >[3] I therefore direct the Chief Firearm's Officer to approve >the > transfer of the restricted firearm in issue to the appellant >pursuant to > s. 28(b)(i) and the required transport authorization >with a border entry > condition pursuant to s. 19(1)(a) . . . > >[Signed by] > >Justice W. A. Jenkins > > >DATE: January 8, 2002 > The CFO had refused to issue a transfer of firearm registration, > claiming that membership in a gun club was a necessary > pre-condition. Superior Court Justice Jenkins disagreed with the > CFO and agreed with the appellant and directed that the CFO > issue a transfer of registration and an ATT. > I am advised that the CFO has refused to obey the direction of > the court and refuses to return phone calls to the appellant's > MLA re the matter. > > I am really pessimistic about the ability of Ontario courts to > enforce the law. They weren't much help to Arlene May and > Christine Hadley (local FO and provincial CFO did not lift Randy > Iles's FAC; there were three 911 calls in effect for Hadley). I > am certainly very pessimistic about the Ontario PC government's > ability to rein in its public servants. I have been paying close attention to this case, and the Belgian Revolver Saga, and other instances of the Ontario CPFO's excessive zeal in overstepping his authority. It is completely outrageous that these employees of ours flagrantly dismiss and disobey the orders of the Court, not to mention trangressing laws. I have no doubt that there has been further trangressions on their part, and invite all Ontarians to post their negative encouters with the CPFO of Ontario here. Unfortunately, I don't know what can be done about this person's actions. If the Court can't enforce its orders, what good is the Court? Does anyone ahve any ideas on how to make this guy obey? Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:11:58 -0600 From: Barry Glasgow Subject: Gun Violence Punished A recent Toronto Star article featured the sentencing of Montreal gang member, Allen Jacques, for his part in the armed kidnapping and robbery of a Niagara, Ontario nightclub entertainer. Crown prosecutor, Andre Bourgon, described the 10 month sentence as "sending out a strong message that "gun play'' and gang violence won't be tolerated in Niagara." Well, what do you know about that! Justice ministers Alan Rock and Anne McLellan both promised that the $700+ million changes to our Firearms Act would help reduce the criminal use of firearms in this country. Despite over a hundred pages of legislation targeting duck hunters, we see that little or nothing has changed with regard to the root cause of violence. The few changes directed at the real perpetrators of gun violence in Canadian society have been all but ignored by our justice system. Mr. Jacques committed armed kidnapping which carries a minimum 4 year sentence and a maximum of life in prison. So does armed robbery. In the process of committing these acts (his second criminal conviction involving illegal firearms) he was also in possession of an illegal, loaded, prohibited weapon (concealed) in a vehicle. These four aspects carry a minimum of 2 years and a maximum of 40 years in jail. He also had possession of these weapons for the purpose of committing an offense, while under a prohibition order and he no doubt was guilty of pointing a firearm during the offenses which, combined, could tack on another 25 years of jail time. So, looking at 6 years minimum or two lifetimes plus 65 years (depending on how you want to apply the law) Mr. Jacques threw himself at the mercy of the court and was hammered with a 10 month sentence by Justice Al Lacavera, who eliminated the possibility of future gunplay by imposing another 10 year firearms prohibition on Mr. Jacques. I suppose that the mandatory lifetime prohibition for breaking the earlier prohibition isn't really necessary considering the "strong message" our system is sending out. Kind of makes Toronto's Guns-For-Basketball-Tickets amnesty program look almost meaningful, doesn't it? [see http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/cfm/ENGLISH/LEG/CC/0850000F.HTM ] Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario 613-763-3097 (w) 613-832-2449 (h) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings!http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:11:59 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: New blood On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Lee Jasper wrote: > It is a cause for celebration when a new face joins the crusade. "A" new face? So why does this person then refer to himself as some kind of holy trinity? And, oddly, as also "a major provider of scams, frauds, and patented love tonics to the Southwestern Ontario region"? See http://www.tamerlane.ca/about/ > One such person has done a tremendous job of researching and > hosting legal documents and recently established a significant > precedent. And of course having the good taste to post not one but *two* Lee Jasper articles, eh doc? See http://www.tamerlane.ca/firearms/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:12:00 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: More Info on BDP Business Data Services Limited BDP Business Data Services Limited (Subsidiary of FirstService Corporation, Toronto, ON, Canada) 85 The East Mall Toronto, Ontario M8Z 5W4 Tel: (416) 503-1800 Fax: (416) 503-8899 BDP Business Data Services Limited Ottawa Processing Centre 2405 St. Laurent Boulevard - Unit K Ottawa Ontario K1G 5B4 Jay Hennick, Chairman of the Board Lawrence Zimmering, President John Hamilton, Vice President, Finance John Arcuri, Vice President, Divisional Tim Greener, Vice Chairman of the Board Bruno Sperduti, Vice President, COO BDP Business Data Services Limited Data and Image Capture Services Contract By Garry Breitkreuz, MP - Updated: January 23, 2002 Customer: Department of Justice Canada - Canadian Firearms Centre Contract Number Award Value Award Date 1. 19162-990181/001/XG $4,800,555 Jul 18, 2000 2. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 48,805 Oct 12, 2000 3. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 963,282 Oct 12, 2000 4. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 48,791 Dec 18, 2000 5. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 464,994 Jan 02, 2001 6. 19162-990181/001/XG $1,014,119 Feb 16, 2001 7. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 111,260 Feb 21, 2001 8. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 7,223 Mar 23, 2001 9. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 336,665 Apr 27, 2001 10. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 216,669 Jun 22, 2001 11. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 421,715 Jul 06, 2001 12. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 321,088 Jul 18, 2001 13. 19162-990181/001/XG $ 349,967 Aug 22, 2001 14. 19162-990181/001/XG $8,560,000 Nov 20, 2001 NOTE: 1 to 14 for a total value of $17,665,133 Source: Contracts Canada documents from Library of Parliament - January 22, 2002 EXCERPT FROM BDP CONTRACT - STATEMENT OF WORK - OVERVIEW Source: Access to Information Act Request received from Public Works and Government Services Canada - ATI File: A-2001-00303/cl Establish, support and operate application processing, data image capture services in support of the CFC as may be required between August 1, 2000 and March 31, 2001. These services are required to complement the systems development capability of the CFC located in the National Capital Region and to augment the processing capacity of existing regional processing centres located in Miramichi, New Brunswick and Montreal, Quebec. The services required under this tender will support the processing of applications for firearms Possession Only Licences and for Possession and Acquisition Licences that must be submitted by Canadians as required under the Firearms Act. To effectively accommodate the volume of applications expected in the months leading up to the deadline, the CFC is seeking to augment its current application processing and data capture capacity by entering into a contract with a provider of data and image capture services. In addition, the contracted provider is required to use data capture application software currently completing development and testing. This software and the computer technology required to operate it will be provided, installed and maintained by the CFC for the duration of the contract period. Application processing and data capture services are anticipated to encompass: · Processing of incoming applications (i.e. mail processing related functions); · Processing of associated fees in accordance with Government of Canada guidelines; · Generate, index (barcode), manage and provide temporary storage for paper based application "folders" associated with each application; · Capture of all fields from the Possession Only Licences and Possession and Acquisition Licences forms; · Scanning of attached applicant photograph; · Performing appropriate data and quality control functions; · Initiate appropriate exception and referral process steps based on predetermined conditions (e.g. missing fields, illegible fields, missing signatures, Registration Forms and other criteria); and · Interfacing with an electronic records management environment directed by the CFC. The CFC will provide: · The data capture software, scripts and related materials; · Workstations, servers and other equipments required to operate the data capture software; · Required integration with the remote external legacy application (RCMP based); · The required data security environment; and · Training and other support required to enable the selected bidder to be self sufficient in recruiting and training subsequent staff to meet the volume of work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:11:59 -0600 From: B Farion Subject: Re: .27 cal > > Police spotted a vehicle leaving with two men inside and tried to pull it > over. During a nearly two-kilometre pursuit, officers saw something thrown > from the car. A loaded .27 calibre semi-automatic was recovered, > its serial number had been removed. Hi, Now we have .27 cal ! No more illegal saturday nite specials!?/ Guess us collectors will have to hustle out and find where our truthfull media finds these scarce items! Cheers Bill (;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:47:35 -0600 From: awp Subject: Raids ?? Lock and Load Edmonton raided again this afternoon ??? anyone with more info " FREEDOM " For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:14:41 -0600 From: hh@hayz.ws Subject: registry errors Folks; I am in the midst of preparing a column on the firearms registry and the error issue that has recently been discussed. I have seen numerous posts here relating to multiple licenses for a single person, a single license # for multiple people, multiple registration certificates for a single firearm, licenses and registration certificates with errors, etc. Could those who have suffered from these or other issues (and who are willing to share those with the reading public), contact me at hh@hayz.ws and I will try to work that information into the article (recognizing that columns have a 7-800 word limit). Thanks Jason Hayes Principal - Hayes Holdings Consulting Unit #167 ? 3809 45th St SW Calgary, Alberta, Canada T3E 3H4 Ph: 403-217-6201 Cell: 403-852-4603 E-mail: hh@hayz.ws Web: http://members.home.net/hayesholdings will transition to: http://www.hayz.ws in February 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:14:42 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Crunch time to register firearms PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2002.02.14 COLUMN: Outdoors BYLINE: Bob Scammell Crunch time to register firearms: Get cracking if you aim to do the dirty deed All licensed firearms owners in Alberta should by now have received simplified and "personalized'' firearms registration forms in the mail. "Licensed'' means persons who hold either a possession-only licence or a possession and acquisition licence, and "personalized'' means the forms will have your name and licence number on them. This mail is the result of the announcement on Jan. 21 by Martin Cauchon, federal minister of justice and attorney general, of incentives for firearms owners in British Columbia and Alberta to register their firearms. A major perk is that if you register by March 19, it will be free of the $18 fee. Anyone who has paid a fee to register firearms will receive a refund. The interesting aspect of all this is that of the hundreds of firearms owners I know, only one, a resident of B.C., for certain has registered firearms because he showed me the registration documents. For a time, I was trying to figure out what was going on out there in Wild Rose Country, but gave it up when everyone I asked, ''Are you going to register your firearms?'' would give me a downright dirty look and ask right back, "What firearms?'' Apparently in Alberta, the question I asked is regarded as more impolite and intrusive even than these famous three: "How many cows do you own?; How many miles per gallon you gettin' from that rig;" and "How's your sex life?'' Somewhat more than two years ago, I purposely let an old-style firearms acquisition certificate expire so I would have to take and could write about the federal firearms safety course and exam you had to take in those days to possess or acquire firearms. In spite of the fact this excellent course is one aspect of Canada's new firearms regime that assuredly could do some good, the requirement to take it eventually was dropped for persons who only wanted a licence to possess the firearms they already owned, simply because there were insufficient facilities and instructors to meet the demand. Suffice I got a new possession-acquisition licence, which qualified me to receive my "personalized'' firearms registration forms in the mail in late January. Immediately, I was struck by the fact there was room to register six non-restricted firearms (generally rifles and shotguns) and six restricted or prohibited firearms (generally handguns). Admitting absolutely nothing about myself, it did occur to me that I know few people who own that many handguns and fewer still who do not own more than six rifles and shotguns. So I decided to see, in the interest of pure research, what could be done, for other people, to get forms to register more than six non-restricted firearms. I decided to do it the hard way, according to many readers, and risk the alleged black hole of the toll-free number to the Canadian Firearms Centre. It took only two tries to navigate the incredible maze of the telephone menus and when I got to the right exit I was put next in line for what I was advised was taking 12 minutes at that point. While I waited, I heard many interesting messages. The most crucial of which were that all firearms in Canada must be registered by Jan. 1, 2003, that you need a valid firearms licence to register your firearms and that, if you do not already have one, you have a problem, because the only licence now available is the possession-acquisition licence and, to get that from now on, you must have passed the federal firearms safety exam either after having taken the course or after having successfully "challenged'' the exam. The current newsletter of the Hunting for Tomorrow Foundation announces a series of course and exam challenge sessions. For Calgary, call (403) 252-8474; Edmonton (780) 466-6682. In other words, sports fans, the crunch is on. You must get very busy if you intend to register your firearms, or do nothing and be prepared to face the consequences of non-registration, including the confiscation of all unregistered firearms. When I got a live gent on line, he assured me he had me down for a shipment of extra firearms registration forms and that they should get to me in three or four weeks, which I noted would be dangerously close to the deadline. If I don't get the forms by March 1, he told me, get back to him and send in the ones I have filled in with the first six firearms in each category, then, when I get the other forms, send in the rest and there'll be no charge. All of which raises the subject of promises -- promises and long delays. Readers are contacting me who claim they still have not received their possession or possession-acquisition licences after having applied six months, etc., ago. What are these people to do about registering their firearms? These people also were promised that if they could prove they had applied for their licences to possess firearms they would not be charged for last hunting season because they had not received the licence yet. There are persistent rumours of many such people having been charged and I would appreciate hearing about any such documented cases. So, am I going to use all those firearms registration forms? Well! I just can't believe you could even ask that! If you would like to respond, please e-mail letters@theherald.southam.ca - --- ------------------------------ Date: 2002.02.14 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Crunch time to register firearms: boostcompliance, the federal government has waived the $18 fee if owners register their before March 19. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Crunch time to register firearms: Get cracking if you aim to do the dirty deed - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- All licensed owners in Alberta should by now have received simplified and "personalized'' registration forms in the mail. "Licensed'' means persons who hold either a possession-only licence or a possession and acquisition licence, and "personalized'' means the forms will have your name and licence number on them. This mail is the result of the announcement on Jan. 21 by Martin Cauchon, federal minister of justice and attorney general, of incentives for owners in British Columbia and Alberta to register their . A major perk is that if you register by March 19, it will be free of the $18 fee. Anyone who has paid a fee to register will receive a refund. The interesting aspect of all this is that of the hundreds of owners I know, only one, a resident of B.C., for certain has registered because he showed me the registration documents. For a time, I was trying to figure out what was going on out there in Wild Rose Country, but gave it up when everyone I asked, ''Are you going to register your ?'' would give me a downright dirty look and ask right back, "What ?'' Apparently in Alberta, the question I asked is regarded as more impolite and intrusive even than these famous three: "How many cows do you own?; How many miles per gallon you gettin' from that rig;" and "How's your sex life?'' Somewhat more than two years ago, I purposely let an old-style acquisition certificate expire so I would have to take and could write about the federal safety course and exam you had to take in those days to possess or acquire . In spite of the fact this excellent course is one aspect of Canada's new regime that assuredly could do some good, the requirement to take it eventually was dropped for persons who only wanted a licence to possess the they already owned, simply because there were insufficient facilities and instructors to meet the demand. Suffice I got a new possession-acquisition licence, which qualified me to receive my "personalized'' registration forms in the mail in late January. Immediately, I was struck by the fact there was room to register six non-restricted (generally rifles and shotguns) and six restricted or prohibited (generally handguns). Admitting absolutely nothing about myself, it did occur to me that I know few people who own that many handguns and fewer still who do not own more than six rifles and shotguns. So I decided to see, in the interest of pure research, what could be done, for other people, to get forms to register more than six non-restricted . I decided to do it the hard way, according to many readers, and risk the alleged black hole of the toll-free number to the Canadian Centre. It took only two tries to navigate the incredible maze of the telephone menus and when I got to the right exit I was put next in line for what I was advised was taking 12 minutes at that point. While I waited, I heard many interesting messages. The most crucial of which were that all in Canada must be registered by Jan. 1, 2003, that you need a valid licence to register your and that, if you do not already have one, you have a problem, because the only licence now available is the possession-acquisition licence and, to get that from now on, you must have passed the federal safety exam either after having taken the course or after having successfully "challenged'' the exam. The current newsletter of the Hunting for Tomorrow Foundation announces a series of course and exam challenge sessions. For Calgary, call (403) 252-8474; Edmonton (780) 466-6682. In other words, sports fans, the crunch is on. You must get very busy if you intend to register your , or do nothing and be prepared to face the consequences of non-registration, including the confiscation of all unregistered . When I got a live gent on line, he assured me he had me down for a shipment of extra registration forms and that they should get to me in three or four weeks, which I noted would be dangerously close to the deadline. If I don't get the forms by March 1, he told me, get back to him and send in the ones I have filled in with the first six in each category, then, when I get the other forms, send in the rest and there'll be no charge. All of which raises the subject of promises -- promises and long delays. Readers are contacting me who claim they still have not received their possession or possession-acquisition licences after having applied six months, etc., ago. What are these people to do about registering their ? These people also were promised that if they could prove they had applied for their licences to possess they would not be charged for last hunting season because they had not received the licence yet. There are persistent rumours of many such people having been charged and I would appreciate hearing about any such documented cases. So, am I going to use all those registration forms? Well! I just can't believe you could even ask that! 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