From: Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Sunday, 17 February, 2002 14:12 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #550 Cdn-Firearms Digest Sunday, February 17 2002 Volume 04 : Number 550 In this issue: Re: LOCK & LOAD RAID, V4 #548 My letter to the Canadian Police Association countdown clock Re: How the CFO handles things in Ontario - part 2 Jim Flaherty bids for the leadership of the Ontario PC party Looking for Brad Brown Re: "Lock & Load" will endure. Penned animal shoots The power of the ballot Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #549 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:58:02 -0600 From: "Murray Bell" Subject: Re: LOCK & LOAD RAID, V4 #548 Great post, Bob. I intend to collar a couple of my RFC friends and head down to buy something from Lock & Load, too. Blair and Randy need our support. Over the long haul, if we don't hang together, we'll be sure to hang separately. Like you, I have no doubt the raid is a species of harassment designed to cow the RFC. And how convenient that the bootlicking media were on hand to get a picture of a full-auto gun. We need to show those form-shuffling flatfeet that it will take more than ham-fisted actions of that sort to cow us. Most of them couldn't pour p!ss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel. Keep your powder dry, Murray "A society without firearms is, in the end, a society of dim-witted, collectivist bean farmers." -- Vin Suprynowicz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:58:01 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Canadian Police Association Grant Obst, President Canadian Police Association 100-141 Catherine Street, Ottawa, Ontario K2P 1C3 Dear Mr. Obst: I sympathize very strongly with the stand that the CPA is taking on "Club Fed" prisons. It is completely outrageous that hardened criminals receive better accommodations than many Canadian citizens can afford for themselves. However, in all good conscience, I cannot sign your petition. The preamble to your petitions says "We the undersigned law-abiding citizens of Canada". Where were you and your Association when the "law abiding" gun owners of Canada needed your help in fighting the draconian and tyrannical measures in the Firearms Act? You strung us along, bided your time, and hedged your bets until it was apparent that the Liberals would be back in power, and therefore action on your part was no longer required. You didn't even have the courage of your previous convictions for an audit by the Auditor General as outlined in the resolution passed August 27, 1999. I don't believe that any of these concerns have been adequately addressed by the Federal Government, or by the Auditor General. Certainly, none of the concerns of the law abiding gun owners of Canada have been addressed. The only thing that has changed is the CPA playing politics, using the threat of withdrawal of support for the Firearms Act as a bargaining chip. You sold out the law abiding Canadian gun owners, and we will not forget. Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:58:01 -0600 From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: countdown clock Time until January 1, 2003 at 12:00:00(UTC time) 318days 7643hours 458613minutes 27516788seconds http://members.shaw.ca/wakeupcanada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:58:03 -0600 From: Bill McGarry Subject: Re: How the CFO handles things in Ontario - part 2 Gee Al, sure looks like you've been "Targeted" for dicipline...Good response on your part, however you might have closed with something more appropriate than "yours truly". :) Bill M Trigger Mortis wrote: > > My response to yesterday's letter, from the CFO. It's in the mail today. > ============== > Robert Alan Harper > 27 Mackenzie Crescent > Kingston, ON > K7M 2S2 > February 16, 2002 > C. F. Johnson, Chief Firearms Officer > Ministry of the Solicitor General > Chief Firearms Office > 777 Memorial Avenue > Orillia, ON L3V 7V3 > Dear Mr. Johnson: > Thank you for your letter of February 8, 2002. I received it yesterday, > February 15, 2002. > I quote your letter, "Authority to instruct and/or examine the Canadian > Firearms Safety Course/Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course, is > subject to obtaining public liability and professional liability insurance > through the FSESO." > > I did call the FSESO office on Wednesday, February 13, 2002, and spoke with > Virginia. I arranged payment with her at that time. > Thank you for your concern about my insurance coverage. > The grounds for your letter do not exist. > I have not heard of a complaint to, or suspension from, the Certification > Committee, as specified in the FSESO Code of Ethics: Complaint > Investigations, Suspensions, Corrective Action & Appeals, sections 2 & 3 > respectively. > I have not been accorded the procedure of Corrective Action, as specified in > section 4 of that document. > Quite the contrary, I was encouraged to forward my payment of $93 for > insurance and assured that my status as instructor has not been affected. > I believe that your claim of revocation has no legal standing, but thank you > for providing me with more ammunition, if you'll excuse the pun, describing > your heavy handed, arbitrary actions toward me. I'll include it with other > material to your superiors for their perusal. > Yours truly, > > Robert Alan Harper > =================== > Bye. Al. > alan__harper@cogeco.ca> SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:57:57 -0600 From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Jim Flaherty bids for the leadership of the Ontario PC party I just got a letter from the Jim Flaherty campaign, seeking my support for Jim, in his bid for the Premier's job in Ontario. I remember reading Wally Butts' endorsement of Jim a couple of days ago. I respect Wally and his opinions. I haven't made up my mind who I want yet, but I noticed a couple of things in Jim Flaherty's platform that I don't like much. He wants to arrest homeless people. What kind of stupidity is that? Arrest people because they are broke and homeless? Don't politicians think the police have anything better to do? He wants to make education an essential service. I don't think that it is. It's not an emergency service like police or ambulance. I think he just wants to exercise more control over the unions. It's another power grab, not a life saver to the citizens. He wants to "give people more control over how the unions spend their dues". Well, I belong to a union and it is democratic. The reason that people don't have control over their unions is because they are too damn lazy and apathetic to attend a union meeting or provide any other input to the union. And Jim Flaherty wants the government to step in and control the unions, not provide citizens with any power. Again, it's another power grab by the government. The unions are defending their members from the government. Jim Flaherty sounds like a wolf in sheeps clothing to me. Bye. Al. alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM First I read that this chap supports hunting and presumably firearms owners. Now I read this. Union money belongs to the union members. That he would even mention controlling it , much less also taking away people's rights to form groups to protect themselves is more than scary. Thank goodness he is only in Provincial politics- a liberal thinking like that would ban membership in the NFA! Perhaps he is misquoted, perhaps he says whatever it takes to get elected, perhaps he is not trustworthy? Perhaps if I had a vote there I would not vote for him. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:57:17 -0600 From: Thom McMillan Subject: Looking for Brad Brown T I am looking for fellow shooter Brad Brown and member of the NSRA. Brad is serving aboard one of our RCN ships at the moment, I believe. If you see this Brad, please reply off list to either: or Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca ===== END Thom MacMillan N.F.A. #21211 Email: or Brookfield, NS, B0N 1C0 Home Ph:(902)673-3015 Visit: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:57:16 -0600 From: Peter Kearns Subject: Re: "Lock & Load" will endure. My comments preceded by ********** (Peter) > From: "Bob Lickacz" wrote: > Subject: LOCK & LOAD RAID > > This morning, Feb. 15, I went over to Lock & Load and there is a sign on the > door that says: "Back Soon". > Ladies and Gentlemen: > What we are witnessing here is a very concerted attempt by the federal > Justice Department to intimidate firearms owners. The raid, seizing all of > (or most of ) ******** They intended to take "all," but due to their lack of knowledge and plain stupidity, left about ten firearms and a considerable quantity of ammo. (Witnessed photographs already taken, and placed in safe keeping for use in Court.) the inventory, of a gun store is not a move that would (or > should) be conducted by a technical violation of the law. Understand, I'm > not suggesting that ANY violation, be it technical or otherwise has > occurred. This whole raid smells of "wanting to get something - ANYTHING" > on someone. ********* The CFO also revoked their firearms licence, citing "failure to maintain accurate records." This resulted from their refusal to show deactivated firearms in their firearms register. (Seems that the moron Richard Clarke from the CFO's office believes that deactivated fitrearms enjoy the same status as real ones. Richard, (or "Dick" would be more appropriate,) a deactivated firearm is exempted from the provisions of both the Criminal Code AND the Firearms Act........... The question that needs answering is - who? > For those of you who have not had the pleasure of being in this store, it is > small, really small. There are few fancy accouterments, unless you consider > a coffee pot to be a "perk" (yes, I really meant the pun). Judging from > seeing the owner(s), I would say that the gun business is pretty > competitive. It's like looking at a coyote with mange. Within that > context, it is my opinion that the target of the raid was not Lock & Load > per se. ******* I don't think Randy or Blair suffers from mange. (Fleas perhaps, but mange, never!) > Who is the target? I think the primary target is Peter Kearns. I think > that the Federales are coming to the realization that their "Operation > Karabine" is dreadfully low on stuff to pin on Mr. Kearns. *********** The above is absolute nonsense. What the hell has a raid on a business I have no connections with, (other than as a customer,) got to do with me? The police never visited me, and they pointedly told the two owners that this raid wasn't connected in any way with "Operation Karabine." Please don't try and connect the two, because that is silly and fantastic. Hurting L & L does absolutely nothing to me, so any attempt to connect it to me is ridiculous. I find your statement "Operation Karabine is dreadfully low on stuff to pin on Mr. Kearns.," insulting. The stadzpolitzei and the keystone kops don't have <> that will stand scrutiny in Court, but they do have the prospect of a very large and very public "malicious prosecution" lawsuit. For Mr. Lickacz elucidation, nobody has anything that may be "pinned" on me, for I am an innocent person, and a victim of corrupt police officers and CFO officials. If you have had > any dealings with our dear friends at the CFC, you will appreciate the > efficacy of those in charge of Operation Karabine. They share the same hag > for a mother. ******** Possibly, but lets not get personal, as hags have feelings too! > The secondary target are those gun owners who are waffling on the > registration issue. Here in Edmonton, there was much fanfare of the raid > complete with photos of a full auto gun. The insinuation being, that the > arsenal seized is all full auto guns. ******* They also reported that a "rocket propelled tear gas grenade" was seized. (L & L were licenced to possess prohibited devices..........) The Edmonchuk Police Service are not only inept, they are lacking in knowledge about basic investigative techniques too. They call themselves "members," and I prefer to agree with that term as it applies to them, as referenced in the Biblical writings....... The bastards seized a new Beretta 92F registered to, and the property of, "yer 'umble servant!" As the police claim I am "extremely litigious" if they damage my property I will file suit against the stormtroopers. > The CFC and the RCMP will not be bending over backwards to correct this > image either. > Some time ago I sat in on the Jason Dix civil trial. Mr. Dix is suing the > Federalize for about 14 million clams for imprisoning him for 2 years on > evidence that was either tainted, forged, fabricated and for not considering > his genuine alibi. I am not a judge or a lawyer, and I may not be the best > judge of character, but what I can tell you is that on the stand Mr. Dix was > certainly very credible as a witness. I found myself having confidence in > what he said. Sometimes when you are talking to someone who is trying to > convince you of something you get this feeling that he is honest and > genuine. I had that feeling with Mr. Dix. ******* Mr. Dix is a victim, and there is a long line of others. Some remain quiet, while others make a lot of noise. (I squeal loudly when some goon tramples on my rights.) > I was present when Peter Kearns attended "K" Division to pick up the stuff > the Federalize seized in one of their raids. I made a point of observing > the pony boy who Peter talked to. I don't remember his name. What I do > remember is the feeling I came away with. The impression I got was that the > pony boy wasn't a very honest man. I came away with the feeling that I > couldn't or shouldn't trust this pony boy farther than I could throw him. ******** I must agree there. The officer Mr. Lickacz refers to is the klown in charge of "Operation Karabine." (A clone named "Baumgartner," aka to his pony boy graduating class as "Bumfart.") I cosider Baumgartner to be a real "member." > As I get older, I am learning that those who have held traditional positions > of respect, are not people that I should invest that trust in anymore. > I am going down to Lock & Load this afternoon to see if they are open. If > they are open I am going to buy something. > > Bob Lickacz > NFA Edmonton > > Moderator: And He did! > ********* Strangely enough, so did I, and a lot of others. One customer insisted on paying $20 for a cup of coffee. I suggest all readers who reside in the Edmonton area search through all their unused firearms accessories and take them to L & L and place them on consignment . This would help keep the doors open.They can't sell guns or ammo, but they can sell everything else. Help them people, please. regards, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:57:18 -0600 From: "Hugh Mortimer" Subject: Penned animal shoots RE: the Calgary Sun editorial: PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun DATE: 2002.02.12 SECTION: Editorial/opinion PAGE: 15 COLUMN: The legislature SOURCE: Sun Media BYLINE: Neil Waugh - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- - - ---- 'PET SHOOTS' TARGETED; CANNED HUNTS CALLED 'SLAUGHTER' PLEASE AND THANKS - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- I tried to find the article referred to above that appeared in the CFD of Feb 12th so as to respond to the newspaper, but no luck. I don't get a chance to sit at my computer more than once a week, at most, so probably am too late. Nevertheless, while penned hunting is not my personal choice, the way the activity is presented to the public, and their response, is interesting. It seems to me that often times the public doesn't realize what has to happen before they can buy plastic wrapped protein product at the local supermarket. Some animal is, in fact, slaughtered. At any rate, as someone said, more or less, - " I prefer not to pay someone to kill all of the meat that I eat.". This is different from the possibilities relating to infections, and how hunters, discussing their activity, might view the ethics of the penned hunt. I am not commenting on that. Hugh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:30:25 -0600 From: Lee Jasper Subject: The power of the ballot The Ontario Leadership campaign. We've got it; are you taking advantage of it. The count-down is on! You have until Friday eve'g, 22nd or Sat a.m. 23rd. (depending on your local Riding Assoc.). The leadership vote will be held on Sat. March 23rd. at some 100 polling stations across Ontario. It will be operated as was the last CA leadership election. (The Elgin-Middlesex-London vote will occur at the Stoneridge on #4; the three London Ridings will vote at the Four Points Sheraton). Each Riding has a contact person. E-M-L's is Bob de La Penotiere at 631-0552. The Ernie Eves campaign rolls through southern Ont. A packed house at the New Sarum Diner was solidly in support of Ernie Eves for the provincial PC leadership. He has been endorsed by the local Riding Assoc. The meeting was attended by a number of freedomists and Eves somewhat allayed their concerns. He solidly supports Heritage hunting and fishing legislation and will re-introduce it. He is committed to reviewing the closing of the Spring bear hunt - based solely on scientific grounds and will re-institute it if it can be substantiated by valid data. He has been lobbied very strongly by various groups (hunters, outfitters, municipalities) in Northern Ont about this - and hailing from Parry Sound in Central Ont. is not immune to the criticism. (One huge complaint is the lack of provincial support to remove problem bears in northern communities). Police want out of the problem. I don't know how Eves differs from Flaherty's and Stockwell's positions on these two issues. But it seems that these issues will not separate the candidates to the satisfaction of firearm owners. You may be aware that the Liberals support Heritage hunting while the NDP had some problem with it. Both do not support the return of the spring bear hunt - at this time. Word is that Stockwell is in need of substantial support and will need to profit from vote trading on second and third ballots. He has alarmed both sides of the Party with some of his position statements, and needs to pick up votes. He has old foes from his job as Labour Minister. On the upside, he carries little political baggage. Some wags suggest Flaherty is rapidly self-destructing following his First Nations 'are not real people in real communities,' no curriculum standards and no standardized testing requirements for private schools while extending tax credits for private school tuition fees, followed by the latest - outlawing homelessness and hiring 'special police' to haul them off the streets to hostels, hospitals and jails - that are already over-filled and have waiting lists. He still suffers from the indignity of the anti squeegee legislation and is in the most extreme right position of all the candidates. Eves clearly is not jumping from the Common Sense Revolution ship but states that it is time to show 'common sense' and sit down and talk to teachers, health professionals, environmentalists, etc. (He is committed to establishing a Centre for Water Excellence in Walkerton). He offered some tangible solutions for Ontario's secondary school 'double cohort' problem and is committed to providing textbooks for all Ontario school children. He made short work of any consideration for OHIP premiums - citing the experiences of BC and AB. In his view, the Ontario economy is better positioned and not requiring the kind of severe corrections suggested by Flaherty. Some say Slick, I say Mellow - Ernie. There is some expectation that Eve's can win the PC leadership contest on the first ballot, with a 50% plus one plurality. This is reputed to be the second-most influential job in the nation - and he's on cruise control. A bit scary! The Eve's campaign team was presented with a short list of three items requiring a response, and it was assured. 1) The grandfathering of all 'experienced' firearm owners as of Dec. 1/98, all Outdoor Card holders with hunting privileges and all FAC and POL holders into PALs. (Affects up to 421,000 Ontarians). (Why does Ontario demand more than Ottawa requires? Give Ontarians the same deal as MB and QC. MLA Bob Wood (London South) was reminded that his Red Tape Reduction Commission ducked this three years ago. Lawyer Wood, QC, was not pleased to learn that provincial public servants were disobeying court orders). 2) The complete and unequivocal withdrawal of Ontario from any co-operation with the federal firearms registry. (From discussions this would include a severe curtailment of the CFO's office. Eves was not pleased to hear that Ontario firearm owners get more sympathy and support from the federal CFR than the provincial CFO's staff. I would suggest that any complaints be submitted via Eves, Turnbull and Runciman, and quickly). 3) A complete moratorium on range closures until design parameters, construction specifications and funding sources can be resolved. For your info: Candidates Email addresses: , , , , and Addresses for other significant people: , , Eves former Min of Finance and Deputy Premier, Flaherty - Finance and Deputy Premier, Clement - Health, Stockwell - former Speaker, Labour, Runciman - former Sol Gen, Economic Development and Trade, Turnbull - Sol Gen, Snobelen - Natural Resources, Wood - former Chair of the Red Tape Reduction Commission, PA to the Min. of Corrections and Co-chair of the Crime Control Commission. He is Chair of the PC Caucus and PC caucus Justice Committee. You may wish to add David Young - Attorney General, Native Affairs, Tim Hudak - Tourism, Culture and Recreation, Chris Hodgson - Municipal Affairs and Smart Growth for Ontario and your local, especially PC, MPP to your circulation list. You must act now. I understand one can complete the PC Party membership application online. Have a credit card handy. I found the Ontario PC Party web site tended to lock up so I did not get an URL for this. I understand the Ontario Police Association, the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian Sportsfishing Industry Assoc. (?) are supporting Eves. The Ontario Health Coalition are also gearing up for some involvement in the campaign. All candidates are scheduled to debate at the OFAH AGM on Feb. 23rd - too late for you to buy a membership. The RFC has until March 23rd to make any final decision regarding its support. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:12:15 -0600 From: "B. Boswell" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #549 From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: New law to register deactivated firearms? I At 08:00 PM 2/15/2002 -0600, Richard wrote: >I stopped in at Tim Hortons for coffee this morning and happened to >meet up with the RCMP who is in charge of firearms at our local >detachment. He told me that he just received a notice from the CFC >that all deactivated firearms are now required to be registered. >Anyone heard anything about a new Order in Counsel? BC is not going to administer the Firearms act or the safety training program after the 1st of Apr. In BC where the deactivated firearms were obtained from the province they (the Province) have forwarded the serial numbers and descriptions to the CFC and the CFC has issued registration certificates for those firearms to those instructors . 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