From: Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Friday, 22 February, 2002 23:07 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #563 Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, February 22 2002 Volume 04 : Number 563 In this issue: email address change email address change ATF Issues Regulations For Nonimmingrants Alliens Globe News 21/02/02 ?? [none] SFU Honours Professor Gary Mauser US - NEW RULES HALT GUN SALES Gun group dodges rumours of firings Magazines?? Editorial: ...that financial sinkhole known as the gun-control re QUOTABLE QUOTE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:22:43 -0600 From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: email address change I have had a serious virus problem on my computer. I have tried to respond to various people, unsuccessfully. . Also, my email address is changed from; rharper@cgocable.net . to alan__harper@cogeco.ca *note the double underscore* . 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SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:05:53 -0600 From: "RJK Sr" Subject: ATF Issues Regulations For Nonimmingrants Alliens ATF Issues Regulations Relating to Firearms Disabilities for Nonimmigrant Aliens and Announces a Requirement for Import Permits for Nonimmingrant Aliens Bringing Firearms and Ammunition Into the United States Washington, DC - The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) announces the issuance of a temporary rule implementing the provision of Public Law 105-277, relating to firearms disabilities for nonimmigrant aliens. These regulations implement the law by prohibiting, with certain exceptions, the transfer to and possession of firearms and ammunition by aliens in the United States in a nonimmigrant classification. In addition, ATF is amending the regulations to give the Secretary of the Treasury or his delegate the authority to require nonresident who bring firearms and ammunition into the United States for hunting or sporting purposes to obtain an import permit. In the interest of national security and public safety, ATF will require nonimmigrant aliens to obtain import permits for all importations of firearms and ammunition into the United States (except for those exempt importations specified in the regulations) as of the effective date of the temporary rule. The temporary regulations are effective February 19, 2002, and will remain in effect until superseded by final regulations. The temporary regulations also serve as the text of a notice of proposed rulemaking for final regulations. The period for soliciting public comments on the temporary regulations will be open until May 6, 2002. For the full text of the temporary rule (T. D. ATF-471), and how to submit comments on the temporary regulations, refer to today's issue of the Federal Register or visit the ATF web site at http://www.atf.treas.gov. Fill out this form: ATF F 6 - Part 1 (5330.3A) - Application and Permit for Importation of Firearms, Ammunition and Implements of War and FAX to: Firearms and Explosives Import Branch, (202) 927-2697. - - - -"In any compromise between good and evil, evil always wins" (Ayn Rand) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:40:06 -0600 From: awp Subject: Globe News 21/02/02 ?? Briefing Executives ousted, gun lobby confirms Calgary. National Firearms Association president Jim Hinter and its magazine editor Peter Cronhelm. have been ousted from their positions, the gun lobby group confirmed yesterday. A spokesman wouldn't discuss the reasons for the changes, but said an election would be held within three months to choose a new executive. Dawn Walton Moderator: This is the normal Election Year for National Officers. A full Audit is being prepared for release to the members prior to the election. The Board of Directors has named Linda Toews as spokesperson. Linda may be contacted through the Calgary Office @ [403]9640-1110] " FREEDOM " For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:13:42 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: [none] Subject: UN hypocrisy on "small arms" Why am I not surprised? http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20020221-14729320.htm The Washington Times www.washtimes.com Assault rifles for Annan guards investigated Stewart Stogel SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES Published 2/21/2002 NEW YORK — The U.S. government is investigating whether the United Nations illegally imported and issued paramilitary assault rifles to Secretary-General Kofi Annan's security detail. Sources in the U.N. Security and Safety Service say that the members of Mr. Annan's personal protective detail have been using the German-made MP5 submachine guns since 1998, despite an apparent failure to obtain U.S. clearance for their use. U.N. officials say that the use of the highly restricted firearm has been cleared with U.S. authorities. But Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, confirmed in an interview that an inquiry into the U.N. personnel's use of the weapon was initiated two weeks ago. The dispute is made even more sensitive by the fact that Mr. Annan himself led a U.N. effort last summer to stem the production and sale of small arms around the world, an effort that drew criticism from U.S. gun-ownership groups and from the Bush administration. "There is no single tool of conflict so widespread, so easily available and so difficult to restrict as small arms," Mr. Annan told a special meeting of the Security Council in July. The MP5, described by its German manufacturer Heckler and Koch GmbH as a "paramilitary assault rifle" commonly used by police SWAT squads, is just one of several varieties of assault weapons currently in the possession of the United Nations, said one U.N. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. America's use of the MP5 is normally limited to law-enforcement organizations, Mr. Campbell said. Importation of the submachine gun is tightly controlled, he said. The United States does not consider the U.N. security service a law-enforcement organization and thus deems it ineligible to possess weapons such as the MP5, according to a State Department official. "If the United Nations had applied for permission to obtain these guns, most likely it would have been rejected" again, said the official, who requested anonymity. The State Department official said the United Nations first approached the U.S. government for permission to purchase the MP5 in early 1998 and was refused. Just how Mr. Annan's security detail obtained the weapons is the focus of the U.S. government probe. Michael McCann, who has directed U.N. security operations since 1994, refused to comment on the issue, but U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard denied any wrongdoing. Mr. Eckhard said he had checked with the security service and was told that all the necessary licenses for the weapons carried by U.N. personnel had been obtained. "I flatly reject the notion any laws have been broken," he said. An American citizen and a veteran of the New York Police Department, Mr. McCann has been a frequent target of criticism by both U.N. diplomats and staff over security at the New York site. On September 11, it took hours to evacuate the U.N. headquarters after the plane attacks on the World Trade Center; employees at the Twin Towers were evacuated in 45 minutes. Several staffers described the evacuation process as "mass confusion." Umberto Ravalico, Mr. McCann's predecessor, rejected the use of the MP5 guns. U.N. sources said that Mr. Ravalico felt they were "too dangerous" for use within New York City. Although the United States cannot control the use of such weapons inside the U.N. compound, U.S. laws do apply if the weapons are carried outside. Documents obtained by The Washington Times indicate that U.N. submachine guns frequently leave U.N. headquarters, accompanying Mr. Annan on trips around the New York area and for use in target-practice sessions for U.N. officers at a shooting range on Long Island. A U.N. document on training standards for security officers appears to note the sensitivity of taking the MP5 outside the U.N. headquarters building. For the twice-yearly proficiency tests required for security officers, the officers and the weapons are transported to the range in a vehicle provided by the U.N. security service. If officers travel to the range on their own, they cannot bring their firearm with them. "Under no circumstances should a United Nations weapon be transported in a private vehicle," according to a U.N. instruction sheet titled "Qualification on the Service MP5." The passage is highlighted in bold-face type. Conventions on diplomatic immunity do not apply to weapons possession. A survey of the United Nations' five permanent Security Council members — the United States, Britain, France, China and Russia — found that only U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte was assigned an armed protective detail. He has only a small security detachment with standard sidearms, according to a State Department spokesman. There has never been an assault on a U.N. secretary-general in the United States. While in the United States, Mr. Annan is protected by U.N. security, the New York police force and by the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service, depending on the circumstances. An official at the Diplomatic Security Service said the U.S. government has no way to track the movement of U.N.-issued weapons. "It is a matter between the U.N. and local jurisdictions," he said. The official also acknowledged there was no way the Diplomatic Security Service could independently verify that the United Nations was in compliance with local laws whenever the weapons left the compound. That is in marked contrast to the rules governing foreign embassies, which are under tight restrictions on the ownership and transportation of any firearms. Currently, the United Nations has more than 20 officers in the MP5 qualification program. The majority of participants are foreign nationals, which has raised additional concerns at the State Department and ATF. Copyright © 2001 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:13:42 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SFU Honours Professor Gary Mauser Simon Fraser University Honours Professor Gary Mauser for his Controversial Research on Gun Control On February 15, 2002, Simon Fraser University honored Professor Gary Mauser during the Annual SFU Awards Ceremony. Professor Gary Mauser is the recipient of the 2001 Nora and Ted Sterling Prize in Support of Controversy for his research on gun control. Beaming with pride, Professor Mauser accepts the congratulations of SFU officials. Professor Mauser has published 10 research papers over the past 20 years, and he has testified before the Canadian Supreme Court, as well Canadian Parliamentary and Senate Committees about pending firearm legislation. His research shows that the current Canadian firearm laws do not have a significant impact on criminal violence. The Nora and Ted Sterling Prize was established in 1993 to recognize "controversial, unconventional and daring research" in any field. Thanks to Ted and Nora Sterling, Simon Fraser University has a supportive environment that encourages controversial research. The award was presented Oct. 17, 2001 at SFU's Morris J. Wosk Centre for Dialogue in Vancouver. Simon Fraser University honored Professor Mauser reporting his winning of the award for stand on guns in the following issues of the SFU News: http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/sfnews/2001/Oct18/mauser.html http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/Releases/News/2001/October2001/Sterling.html His research results refuting Liberal statements that gun registration is necessary for citizens' safety, are summarized in: http://www.sfu.ca/mediapr/sfnews/2001/Nov15/mauser.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:36:08 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: US - NEW RULES HALT GUN SALES Cato Daily Dispatch - February 21, 2002 NEW RULES HALT GUN SALES Gun sales across the country were hampered this week after the federal authorities failed to provide gun dealers with new forms to run background checks, according to The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/21/national/21GUNS.html). The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms had ordered the nation's gun dealers to switch to new forms beginning last Tuesday. The new forms require more information about the immigration status of a potential customer. But the agency's private contractor failed to send out the forms in time, leaving gun dealers at a loss as to how to complete their sales, officials said. Angry dealers swamped federal and state offices with complaints, they said. In "Trust the People: The Case Against Gun Control" (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa109.html), David Kopel writes that the gun control debate comes down to the basic question: "Who is more trustworthy, the government or the people?" In "Gun Policy in the Aftermath of Littleton" (http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-26-99.html), Cato Fellow Doug Bandow writes that gun control is misguided and that studies show that guns are used fivetimes as often to prevent as to commit crimes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:31:01 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun group dodges rumours of firings PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2002.02.22 EDITION: Final SECTION: City PAGE: B5 BYLINE: Maureen DePatie SOURCE: Calgary Herald - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Gun group dodges rumours of firings - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- The National Firearms Association was mum Thursday on reports several of its executives had been fired. Media reports say that national president Jim Hinter and Peter Cronhelm, the lobby group's magazine editor, have been ousted from their posts. When asked if Hinter was no longer in his post, the president of the Alberta branch of the NFA said she could not comment. But Linda Toews did say Cronhelm -- an employee and not an executive member -- was no longer at his job. "It was decided last week that we have a volunteer who would be able to take over the role of editor of our magazine," said Toews. "Peter (Cronhelm) was in a paid position as editor. As a non-profit organization, it just made sense for us to make the change from having a person on salary to using a volunteer. It's purely a matter of economics." Cronhelm would not comment on his departure. There will be an election for a new national executive, Toews announced Thursday on behalf of the NFA's directors. "We've called for an election that is just a normal part of our proceedings," she said. Hinter has been at his post since mid-2000, but Toews wouldn't say if he will serve the remainder of his presidential term, which runs for another five months. Some members of other groups speculate the internal conflict over -registration issues may have led to changes on the NFA executive. Hinter had called the federal government's -registration program a "sinkhole for tax dollars" on the NFA's Web site. "There's no question that the government has been intentionally trying to create dissent within organizations (like the NFA)," said Bruce Hutton, founder of the Law-Abiding Unregistered Firearms Association (LUFA). Hutton's group, like the NFA, is opposed to firearms registration. Meanwhile David Austin, spokesman for the Canadian Firearms Centre, said there has been a "tremendous voluntary response to the program," with 90 per cent compliance expected by the end of the initial registration procedure. "With 11 months to go, we have already achieved a 60 per cent response, registering 1.8 million of the 2.3 million firearms in our database," said Austin, whose organization is implementing the registration program. The NFA will hold its election for a new executive by mail-in ballot in several months to accommodate its membership, which spans the country. Toews said Hinter "is free to put his name forward for election again if hewishes, as are any other current members." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:32:11 -0600 From: "Claudius C." Subject: Magazines?? Are disassembled Hi-cap mags legal to possess? Also what modifications would be necessary to make them legal, short of welding the crap out of them? IE would "pop-rivets" work? Thanks, CCRoiset. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Gameshttp://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:14:18 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editorial: ...that financial sinkhole known as the gun-control re gistry." Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2002.02.22 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A16 SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- After Rock, who's left? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Allan Rock's chances of becoming the next leader of the Liberal party are disintegrating quickly. Anyone who hopes for a strong candidate from the party's left wing should start looking elsewhere. The industry minister's recent conduct in the unusually public battle over memberships promptly set Liberals at each others' throats. Then, as Mr. Rock sought shelter beneath the umbrella of political correctness, his political strategist, Warren Kinsella, effectively accused supporters of Finance Minister Paul Martin of being racist. (In one instance, Mr. Kinsella attacked MP John McKay, who fa-voured new membership rules, for saying it was strange that children and non-citizens could vote for the party's leader. Mr. Kinsella ended up having to write apologies to two Liberal MPs.) These events are embarrassing, but the real puzzle is why, given his political history, Mr. Rock is still considered a credible leadership candidate. His handling of the anthrax-drug dispute in October, when he was health minister, was a case study in ministerial weakness. Government documents obtained by the Canadian Alliance show that Mr. Rock's willingness to ignore patent laws to buy unpatented anthrax drugs from a Toronto-based generic producer undermined Canada's international reputation as a place for foreign companies to invest in and do research. The minister's actions prompted questions from the European Union, the U.S. Trade Representative's Office and pharmaceutical companies, including the brand-name drug-maker Bayer. Yet Mr. Rock never apologized. Instead, he simultaneously blamed and defended health department officials. As health minister, Mr. Rock also presided over the government's mis- handling of hepatitis C compensation. As justice minister, he was in charge of that financial sinkhole known as the gun-control registry. Mr. Rock seems unlikely to rejuvenate his party; he can barely handle hisown campaign. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:07:04 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: QUOTABLE QUOTE " It isn't weapons that define evil, but intentions. Cops, robbers or plain citizens may all be armed, but only the robber's gun is evil." Columnist George Jonas, The Ottawa Citizen, Page A16, February 21, 2002 PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2002.02.21 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A16 COLUMN: George Jonas BYLINE: George Jonas SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen DATELINE: TORONTO - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Fanatical regimes can't be trusted with weapons of destruction - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- TORONTO - Discussing the "evil axis" of Iraq, Iran and North Korea in the National Post the other day, Alexander Rose devoted a detailed account to the question, "Why these three in particular?" In a meticulously researched piece, Rose concluded that a "plethora of unclassified reports and analyses agree all three have nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) weapons programs and are energetically seeking ways to deliver the payloads." The list of weaponry the three countries possess is an impressive (and scary) roster of nerve- gas agents, chemical warheads, and weapons-grade fissile material, complete with actual or potential delivery systems. Still, enumerating them begs the question of why mere possession of such martial technology would justify placing Iran, Iraq or North Korea on civilization's most-wanted list. After all, France and Great Britain probably have every weapon on Rose's list, and then some. The U.S. has more. So does Russia. As for China, it isn't far behind. India and Pakistan have demonstrated their nuclear capability. Israel hasn't, but probably could if it wanted to. Other countries around the world, though not members of the nuclear club, possess chemical and biological capabilities similar to Iran's, Iraq's and North Korea's. Why aren't those countries singled out by U.S. President George W. Bush? Why isn't France, or China, or India, or Israel part of an axis of evil? Many people consider the answer self-evident -- although their answers may be diametrically opposed. France isn't on Bush's list (some would say) because it's a western country. China and India aren't listed because they're too big and powerful. "Axis of evil" is just a First World code for Muslim or Third World nations that would challenge the West's domination. The U.S. will designate such countries as "evil" unless their size, like China's, commands respect. For others the answer is simpler still: Israel. The countries on Bush's "evil list," suggested columnist Eric Margolis on CTV last week, are enemies of the Jewish state. The same is true for countries on the president's extended evil list, such as Libya or Syria. As for North Korea, it's thrown in as a decoy, to make it appear the list isn't directed only again Muslim nations. For the opposite side, the answer seems equally self-evident. It isn't weapons that define evil, but intentions. Cops, robbers or plain citizens may all be armed, but only the robber's gun is evil. France's neighbours have never lost a night's sleep over France's nuclear arsenal. The Palais d'Orsay isn't about to launch missiles against London or Berlin. Contrast this with Iran's mid-range missile, the Shahab-3. "When the Shahab-3 was put on a launcher during a parade," Rose points out, "signs on the side read, 'The U.S. can do nothing' and 'Israel would be wiped from the map,' helpfully giving an insight into the extent of Iranian plans." This, of course, is key. Wea-pons of mass destruction, frightening as they may be, aren't the same in the hands of stable and civilized cultures as in the hands of unstable, aggressive and fanatical regimes. Another factor is a question of proportionality. Is a country's military technology proportional to its significance in the world, or is it incongruously excessive? Are a nation's weapon systems commensurate with its size, population, infrastructure and GNP, or are they disproportionate? Is a country's military preparedness in line with the threat it faces from its neighbours, or is it much larger? The weapon systems of Great Britain, China, France, India or Russia are roughly proportional to their status as world powers. Similar systems in the hands of Iran, Iraq or North Korea aren't. By their very lopsidedness, they threaten the world's equilibrium. Israel's military technology, though disproportionate to the country's size, is defensive. The Jewish state never used poison gas on its minorities, unlike Iraq. Israel's weapons aren't aimed at upsetting but maintaining the status quo in the region. Bush's speech about the axis of evil has several historic parallels. One is more than 2,000 years old. Cato the Elder ended all his speeches in the Roman senate by remarking "Delenda est Carthago" (Carthage must be destroyed). He felt the North African state of Carthage was a country disproportionately militarized. The senator seemed obsessive, until Rome came close to disaster in the second of three wars, as Carthage's general Hannibal crossed the Alps with his elephants. George Jonas is a Citizen columnist. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #563 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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