From: Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Saturday, 23 February, 2002 11:21 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #565 Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, February 23 2002 Volume 04 : Number 565 In this issue: [none] [none] This is the Nigerian Scam all over again Re: It ain't my cup of tea, but... CFC Bulletin: New U.S. Regulations WHO IS RIGHT - THE CFC OR THE RCMP? Re: Globe News 21/02/02 ?? : Announcement Re: next generation paper registration certificates Re: Announcement Moderator change Re: NFA Coup. Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #564 [none] High cost spooks bird hunters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:05:51 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: [none] Subject: Plum for Chretien relative http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-02-22-0012.html Friday, February 22, 2002 Plum for Chretien relative Grandniece moves to $94Gs job By ANNE DAWSON, Sun Media OTTAWA -- Prime Minister Jean Chretien's grandniece was quietly given a plum government job that pays up to $94,400-a-year in the tough-to-crack foreign affairs department, Sun Media has learned. Although many who have held her new position in the past have been required to take an extensive foreign service exam, Caroline Chretien was advised it wasn't necessary. Caroline Chretien, whose father Raymond is Canada's ambassador to France, had previously been employed by her uncle Jean in the Prime Minister's Office as a senior special assistant. Until she was quietly shuffled off to her new executive post at foreign affairs last fall, she had spent the past several years travelling the world doing advance work for the PM's foreign trips. Foreign affairs spokesman Carl Schwenger confirmed the younger Chretien is the new deputy chief of protocol and the director of diplomat core services. She's responsible for meeting visiting dignitaries at the airport, and acts as a liaison for the 8,000 foreigners who have diplomatic status in Canada. "She's got extensive experience in the world of visits and protocol issues," Schwenger said. "That's an integral part of when the PM goes overseas -- getting those little issues right." He said the exam "isn't mandatory" because her job requires no overseas travel, but conceded many who have held the position previously have had to take the exam. Tory Senator Marjory LeBreton criticized Chretien for putting his family first when it comes to government jobs. "It's proof that the PM views the whole government and all its departments and agencies as his own personal fiefdom," said LeBreton. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:05:54 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: [none] Subject: Former Peel officer, 54, guilty of breach of trust http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1014159711321 Feb. 20, 01:00 EDT Former Peel officer, 54, guilty of breach of trust Bob Mitchell Peel/Halton Bureau Chief A former Peel Region police officer has been convicted of breach of trust for providing confidential information to a private investigator. Despite prosecutor Desmond McGarry's wish for a jail sentence, Mr. Justice Peter Wilkie yesterday issued a suspended sentence to Arthur Ronald Jordan, indicating the 54-year-old officer had already paid a "significant" penalty for his crime. Wilkie also put him on 18-months' probation and ordered him to perform 100 hours of community service. Jordan filed for early retirement as part of his guilty plea, a decision that defence lawyer Harry Black said could cost him about $300,000 in retirement income. Jordan had been with Peel police since 1973. His retirement takes effect today. The Brampton court heard how in 2000, an Ancaster private investigator paid Jordan between $6 to $8 per transaction to provide him with confidential information from the Canadian Police Information Centre, or CPIC, the national police computer system. The information included addresses and criminal records of at least 200 people, which were used by the private investigator to provide credit checks and for skip tracing — tracking individuals who owe money. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:05:51 -0600 From: Michael Ackermann Subject: This is the Nigerian Scam all over again This is the Nigerian Scam all over again Wanna spam them to death? - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca SMSA URL: www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/SMSA_Web_Page.htm Attn: President/ Director CONFIDENTIAL I am YEREMU AKA KAMARA the only son of late former Director of finance,Chief Vincent R. Kamara Sierra-Leone diamond and mining corporation. I must confess my agitation is real, and my words is my bond, in this proposal. My late father diverted this money meant for purchase of ammunition, for my country, during the peak of disastrous civil war in my country, now he has deposited the money with BIAO BANK Abidjan, where I am residing under political asylum with my younger sister. Now the war in my country is over with the help of ECOMOG soldiers, the present government of Sierra Leone has revoked the passport of all officers who served under the former regime and now ask countries to expel such person at the same time freeze their account and confiscate their asset, it is on this note that I am contacting you, all I needed from you is to furnish me with your bank particulars: 1) Account name 2) Account number 3) Bank address, telephone and fax number For you to assist me transfer this money in your private bank account, the said amount is (Thirty seven Million Dollars) $37 Million. I am compensating you with 20% of the total money amount, now all my hope is banked on you and I really wants to invest this money in your country, were their is stability of Government, political and economic welfare. Honestly I want you to believe that this transaction is real and never a joke. My late father Chief Kamara gave me the photocopies of the certificate of deposit issued to me by BIAO BANK on the date of deposit, for you to be clarify because, I do not expose my self to anybody I see, I believe that you are able to keep this transaction secret for me because this money is the hope of my life, it is important. Please call me immediately after you must have gone through my message fill free and make it urgent. That is the reason why I offered you 20 % of the total money amount, and in case of any other necessary expenses you might incur during this transaction. N.B Try and negotiate for me some profitable blue chip investment opportunities which is risky free which I can invest with this money when it is transferred to your account, personally I am interested in estate management and hotel business, please advise me. Call me back immediately you receive this message for more explanation.And promisse me my younger sister to be a father considering our situation and not to betray us. Thanks and God bless Best regards YEREMU AKA KAMARA TEL: 225 07 82 23 21 NB: my late father used me the only son as the beneficiary / next of kin on the day of deposit and also told me I need a foreign assistance of a foreigner with a legitimate bank Account abroad who will stand as co-beneficiary and partner abroad. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com - --------------2B956456BF6F7308E79FF031-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:07:29 -0600 From: Roger Walker Subject: Re: It ain't my cup of tea, but... On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Michael Ackermann wrote: > Take a steer calf. Raise it on a fenced pasture. When it's the right > size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a special (captive > bolt) gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, and burgers. > Take an elk calf. Raise it on a fenced wood lot. When it's the right > size, lead it into an enclosed space. Shoot it with a special (hunting) > gun. Process the meat. Enjoy tasty steaks, roasts, and burgers. > If there's a difference, I don't see it. The only thing I would say is > the name ought to be changed to 'domesticated game harvesting'. . Excellent comparison :-) The only think I can think of is that wild game 'may' be more suseptible to certain disease, whereby entire confined herds are lost (or have to be destroyed). A distant inlaw raises elk, and it seems to me that this has happened before - with the 'game farmers' then seeking government assistance :-/ Personally, I would rather chase down my meat while it's running completely free - same with fish... - -- Roger Walker Voice/Fax 1-780-440-2685 "HIS Pain; YOUR Gain" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:07:29 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC Bulletin: New U.S. Regulations http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/owners&users/bordercrossing/US2002.asp New U.S. Regulations For Non-Residents Purchasing And Importing Firearms And Ammunition In a Snapshot Canadian residents who will be temporarily bringing firearms and ammunition into the U.S. or who wish to purchase firearms and ammunition while there will feel the effect of American legislation enacted in 1998 with the regulations coming into force February 19, 2002. New Regulations for Purchasing Firearms and Ammunition in the U.S.: The regulations generally make it unlawful for non-residents (non-immigrant aliens) to possess and receive firearms and ammunition in the U.S. Exceptions for purchasing firearms and ammunition include the following: 1. Non-residents who have the firearm directly exported to Canada by a U.S. licensed firearms dealer; 2. Non-residents who have a) a valid U.S. State-issued hunting licence or permit or an invitation to a U.S. competitive sports-shooting event, b) proof of residency in the U.S. for at least 90 days, and c) an alien or admission number issued by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS); and 3. Law enforcement officers in the U.S. on official business. Additional Information Non-residents who choose to have the Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL) export their firearm directly to Canada do not require the hunting licence/permit, the alien or admission number, or the proof of 90-day residency. However, when selling a firearm to a non-resident who is taking possession of the firearm and who will personally export it, the FFL must see a valid State-issued hunting licence or permit (unless the non-resident falls into another exception category, such as a diplomat or law enforcement officer.) Other accepted documentation, besides the hunting licence/permit, is an invitation to a competitive target or sport-shooting event, but the non-resident must meet the 90-day residency requirement. Re-enactors and sport shooters (not invited to a competition) will need to acquire a hunting licence. Most States issue hunting licences/permits to non-residents. The hunting licence or permit can be acquired in one U.S. State and the firearm can be purchased from an FFL in a different State. All non-residents must provide an Immigration and Naturalization Service-issued alien number or admission number when purchasing a firearm from an FFL. If not already in possession of such a number, one can only be obtained from an INS inspector at a U.S. entry point. It cannot be obtained from within the U.S. The 90-day residency requirement remains unchanged. New Regulations for Temporarily Importing Firearms and Ammunition into the U.S. 1. The non-resident must provide U.S. Customs with a pre-approved U.S. import permit and evidence that they fall into an exemption category (by providing a valid State hunting licence/permit or an invitation to compete in a target shooting event or to display firearms or ammunition at a sports or hunting trade show sponsored by a national, State or local firearms trade organization devoted to the competitive use or other sporting use of firearms) before they will be allowed to import firearms or ammunition. 2. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) issues the required import permit. This permit can be obtained by completing a form (Form 6 Part 1, Application and Permit for Importation of Firearms, Ammunition and Implements of War), which is available at the ATF office in Ottawa, on the ATF Web site as well as from the Canadian Firearms Centre. It can take 6 to 12 weeks to process the application so the permit should be applied for well in advance. *The application form for the import permit must be accompanied by a copy of a U.S. hunting licence or an invitation to a target/sport shooting competition.* PLEASE NOTE: Non-residents do not need a U.S. export permit to export firearms or ammunition that were temporarily imported into the U.S. for an approved purpose. Contact Information: Form 6 (for the U.S. import permit) is available from either contact: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Firearms and Explosives Imports Branch: Phone - (202) 927-8320 Web site - www.atf.treas.gov Canadian Firearms Centre: Facsimile - (613) 941-1991 e-mail - canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca Web site - www.cfc.gc.ca Nouvelle réglementation aux États-Unis pour les non-résidents désirant acheter ou importer des armes à feu et des munitions http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/owners&users/bordercrossing/US2002-fr.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:07:48 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: WHO IS RIGHT - THE CFC OR THE RCMP? " NUMBER OF GUNS REGISTERED WHO IS RIGHT - THE CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE OR THE RCMP? By Garry Breitkreuz, MP - February 22, 2002 Sender: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca 1. On March 10, 2001, the Department of Justice posted on the Canadian Firearms Centre website their last set of statistics on the number of firearms licences issued and the number of firearms registered in a document titled: Making a Difference: The Firearms Act. Under the section Summary of Key Statistics they reported: Number of Restricted Weapons = 1,150,000 Source: RCMP 1999 Annual Report Number of New Firearms Registred = 650,000 Firearms in the system = 1,800,000 Registration Applications in Process = 216,000 Firearms Known to Police = 2,016,000 2. In response to a request made under the Access to Information Act, the RCMP (File: 01ATIP-51743 dated December 17, 2001) provided up-to-date statistics on the number guns registered. In these documents, the RCMP reported: "As of November 22, 2001 there were a total of 1,431,731 distinct firearms registered since December 1998." WHO IS RIGHT - THE CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE OR THE RCMP? If they are both right, where did 584,269 registered guns go between March 10, 2001 and November 22, 2001? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:22:06 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Globe News 21/02/02 ?? Trigger Mortis wrote: > PS - where is the Toronto area gun show this weekend? From the schedule on my website: http://www.hwcn.org/~aj233/gunshows.html Feb 24 OACA ONTARIO ARMS COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION. Held at St. John's Hall, 2185 Stavebank Rd., Mississauga, ON. 905-883-6222 Check the site for maps and directions. Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:18:25 -0600 From: NFA Board of Directors Subject: : Announcement BOARD ANNOUNCEMENT: PLEASE READ The National Directors of the NFA have called for an election for cause under Bylaw 14.3 of the bylaws of the NFA for the positions of President and National Vice President (Communications). This decision was taken after great deliberation and months of requesting information in writing from the individuals in those positions to respond to concerns regarding financial matters of the NFA. An independent audit and further investigations are now underway. Day-to-day operations are continuing as normal. We are sure that all members will acknowledge the importance of maintaining the ability of the NFA to continue to be strong in the fight for our rights as firearms owners. The Board has appointed Linda Toews to act as Spokesperson for the Board in this matter. Members are directed to disregard any postings which attempt to discredit Ms. Toews, any other member of the National Board, the National Vice President (Finance) or any employee in National Office. Any person making postings of this nature is not acting in the best interests of the NFA. The Board has full confidence in all of these people to ensure the affairs of the NFA are in order and to maintain the normal functionings of the office during this period. Any queries should be directed to Linda Toews at board@nfa.ca National Board of the NFA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 08:21:21 -0600 From: John Coupland Subject: Re: next generation paper registration certificates Rod Regier wrote: > > Received one of the next-generation registration certificates. - --- snip --- > Certainly an improvement over the Flintstone-sized first-generation > paper certificates they were issuing. Wish I could get all > of my first-generation paper certificates replaced with 2nd generation > paper certificates without paying the $12.50 plus taxes replacement > fee per certificate. - --- snip --- Of course you can. Sell your first-generation certificate registered guns to a friend and register the transfer. The next day have him sell them back to you. No transfer fee until the end of the year. Better do it quick, though. They'll have ample time to re-revise the form between now and then. John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:46:52 -0600 From: "Mark Horstead" Subject: Re: Announcement - ----- Original Message ----- From: "NFA Board of Directors" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: : Announcement > Members are directed to disregard any postings which attempt to discredit > Ms. Toews, any other member of the National Board, the National Vice > President (Finance) or any employee in National Office. "Members are _directed_?" Directed? I think not. This is a free association, not the lieberal government. In the absence of any real information or evidence of any wrongdoing or shortcomings, I shall review anything that comes from any source and, judging that accordingly, form and modify my own opinions. While I appreciate a requirement for security where warranted, I do not like living in an information vacuum. Such is fertile ground for breeding destructive rumours as well. Mark L Horstead 6033R Moderator: A poor choice of a word perhaps Mark? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:46:52 -0600 From: Gordon.Hitchen Subject: Moderator change I will be off line for a few days. The Digest will be in the hands of the very capable Bruce Mills during that time. Thank You Bruce! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:49:34 -0600 From: Peter Kearns Subject: Re: NFA Coup. If anybody wants to read my personal perspective and opinion regarding the recent "hijacking" of the NFA National Office, please e-mail me at peterkearns@shaw.ca I will send out a Word format document complete with details and names. To any NFA members: This is YOUR organisation, and now it's time for YOU to keep it that way! Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:10:19 -0600 From: "Ed Bratt" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #564 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:07:12 -0600 From: Jim Hill Subject: Digest V4 #556 referring to #554 And what were the other 15.5? Just curious. Jim Hill >High Level RCMP Staff Sgt. Peter Sherstan said gun incidents involving a >.22-calibre usually result in death, so the teen was lucky. Here is another instance of ignorance. Of 131,241 woundings only 16.6 per cent were fatal. 68.9 per cent were non-fatal woundings. Source: An Economic Analysis of Guns, Crime and Gun Control. The truth is that "gun incidents involving a .22 calibre firearm" do NOT usually result in death. Jim: 16.6 + 68.9 = 85.5 100.0 - 85.5 = 14.5 The report excluded the 14.5 per cent of shooting victims who were suicides. Even if they were included, the woundings survival rate would still be greater at 68.9 per cent. Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:20:48 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: [none] Subject: Hunters are birds' best friends I was looking around to see if any of the newspapers had publisheed any of my letters yet (none so far) and came across this one at the Edmonton Journal. http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory.asp?id={BF347CF4-B34B-41FA-856F-B79D75B7E71E} Hunters are birds' best friends Andy Boyd Edmonton Journal Sunday, February 17, 2002 Re: "Tradition of hunting slowly fading into past," Journal, Feb. 3. Your article forecasting the demise of hunting started by stating "Good news for birds: Canadian hunters seem to be winging toward extinction." It seems logical that to help ensure the future of waterfowl we should stop shooting them. However, anyone who looks seriously at what is threatening the long-term survival of ducks, geese and other wildlife soon realizes loss of habitat is the real danger. Regulated licensed hunters are harvesting animals well within their capacity to maintain healthy population levels. If we can maintain the essential habitat which wildlife needs, man can continue to be an active participant in the ecosystem, as we have from the dawn of time. Look deeper to see who is working to guard that habitat. You'll find hunters, and hunter based groups like Duck Unlimited, the Alberta Fish & Game Association, and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, working tirelessly and contributing millions of dollars toward habitat protection. I won't go so far as to say you must be a hunter to appreciate wildlife but it is evident no other group is doing more to ensure wildlife has a place in our modern world. We should follow the hunters' lead and concentrate all our resources on habitat protection. There'll be lots of time to fight each other once we've secu red a home for the non-human creatures who share this globe; I look forward to that day. Andy Boyd, Sherwood Park Fish and Game Association © Copyright 2002 Edmonton Journal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:20:49 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: High cost spooks bird hunters http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory.asp?id={90F5946F-DE7C-4C73-BAD7-47BC5C04077C} Saturday » February 23 » 2002 High cost spooks bird hunters Herman Cook Saskatoon StarPhoenix Re Game bird hunters near extinction (SP, Feb. 2). I am one of those "extinct" game bird hunters, for the simple reason that it is too expensive. The story doesn't mention the other two expenses that go along with the $17-licence. First, you have to purchase a habitat licence for $11. Then comes the game bird permit, for another $11. Only then can you get the licence to hunt birds. By this time you are looking to spend at least $40 altogether. I began hunting when a licence cost $3. Hunting ducks and geese in the fall was my favourite pastime. I quit six years ago because of the expense. Now there's the habitat licence: Why should we have to spend money on something the animals already have? Game bird permit: We are being made to pay for two licences to hunt game birds. I don't believe age is the factor for the decline in bird hunters. It's the expense. Herman Cook Nipawin © Copyright 2002 Saskatoon StarPhoenix ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #565 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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