From: Cdn-Firearms Digest [owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca] Sent: Monday, 25 February, 2002 10:59 To: cdn-firearms-digest@broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #569 Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, February 25 2002 Volume 04 : Number 569 In this issue: RESUBMIT ARTICLE FROM ANN NFA Coup? hostile takeover Lead traced to police range Such sport shooting elk that can run, not escape Funds cut to business group with Liberal links Murder suspect escapes Re: Lead traced to police range Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #567 Liar, liar coincidence? laundry Re: FYI - Letter to the CFC (no subject) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:46:26 -0600 From: "Guy Van Brabant" <4vanb@sympatico.ca> Subject: RESUBMIT ARTICLE FROM ANN This article appeared on the Aero News Network Thursday Feb 21, 2002 Excitement in Amarillo Plastic-Frame Semi-Auto Found in Random Search An ANN News-Spy relayed late Thursday: "Today at 1:45 p.m., there was a security breach at Amarillo International Airport in TX. Apparently a man got through security with a gun in his briefcase. "According to my sources, which are reliable because I work for an airline, the gun was a Kel-Tek, which is like a Glock, with a plastic frame and relatively little metal. [We also were told independently that it was 'smaller than a 9mm, probably a .32' and Kel-Tek does make a 6½oz, double-action .32ACP --ed.] The gun was found during a random security check before the passenger boarded the airplane. After the screener found the briefcase with the gun in it, they ran it back through the x-ray machine and it was very hard to tell the briefcase contained a gun. "The passenger was flying on Southwest Airlines. Two Southwest flights and one American Eagle flight were delayed for hours. All the passengers off one Southwest flight and everyone in the concourse was moved out and re-screened, but only after the officers realized the gun was missing the magazine and the owner had no idea were it was. [We confirmed through another source that the gun apparently never had a magazine in it at the airport. Had it contained one, the additional metal, and of course, the ammunition, would have made a much easier-to-spot x-ray signature --ed.] "The local news here in Amarillo and the GSC's at the airport are saying the man... was questioned and released by the FAA and airport police." FMI: http://www.iflyswa.com/cities/ama.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:05:58 -0600 From: Dave Galloway Subject: NFA Coup? I'm confused. What is the NFA Board of Directors and who is on it? Where do they get the authority to fire an elected member of the NFA Executive? Where can I find a copy of the NFA By-Laws (if it is on the NFA web site, it is very well hidden)? I'm very pissed off and I need to know who I should be pissed off at. - -- **************************************************************** * * * Dave Galloway /\/\/\____/\/\/\ * * Dave_Galloway@mindlink.bc.ca ( ^""""^ ) * * Prince George, BC CANADA `---(o o)---' * * / " / /`\ * * All or nothing, more or less... / " /_/```\____ * * (o"o)/ ````````` * * `````````` * * http://home.paralynx.com/~Dave_Galloway * **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:11:57 -0600 From: "rossj." Subject: hostile takeover > > Members are directed to disregard any postings which attempt > > to discredit Ms. Toews, any other member of the National > > Board, the National Vice President (Finance) or any employee > > in National Office. Any person making postings of this nature > > is not acting in the best interests of the NFA. Peter Kearns wrote: > ******* Hooey. What this witch is trying to say is that she > wants all opposition to her gangs illegal takeover stifled. I > received information from two gun clubs in Alberta that expelled > Ms. Toews for causing dissent among their memberships. Do you > want somebody like that running our association? Linda why > don't you explain to this list why you were thrown out of the > clubs? Perhaps you can explain why one of the directors advised > we contact two BC clubs about dealings they had with you........ PERHAPS THER ARE THOSE WHO ARE HERE SPECIFICALLAy to sow dissent and disrupt our activities. perhas they work for the feds. In any event, if this is not the case, here is another example of the rfc shooting itself in the foot. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:45:04 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Lead traced to police range Now, the police range would have to mmet all requirements under the Firearms Regulations, wouldn't it? http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory.asp?id=5EBB7E79-7047-46CB-A438-1FC9175195A0 Lead traced to police range Linda Slobodian Calgary Herald Thursday, February 21, 2002 Lead contamination has been discovered in a few areas of the Calgary police 911 communications centre. The lead dust found on the second floor of the police administration building at 316 7th Ave. S.E. comes from the police firing range two floors up, says a spokesman for Alberta Occupational Health and Safety. "Tests that came back show there is lead contamination present in that area. The police firing range is the source of it," said Chris Chodin, who added there is "no imminent threat" to employees. "We expect to see, by the end of February, an action plan from them (police) on how it's spreading from the range into their call centre, and how they're going to clean it up and prevent it from reoccurring." Police Deputy Chief Dale Burn, who said a consultant's report shows employees are working in a safe place, added he would not tolerate anything less. "We would never expect our people to work in anything but a safe environment," said Burn. "We did surface samples all throughout the communications centre where people sit, where they eat, off the carpet, off the furniture. . . . We had nothing," he said, noting the highest levels of lead dust were in subfloors. That hasn't alleviated the fears of many workers in the building. "These people need to know they are not putting themselves in jeopardy by working in an environment which is known to have toxic substances," said Karen Stoshnof, assistant business manager of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 54, which represents 911 workers. Burn maintained the service is determining the best course of action to "safely and thoroughly" clean up contaminants. "If it means relocating the people in the communications call centre and shutting the call centre down for a day, that is something that is currently being evaluated," said Burn. Air quality tests were conducted throughout the building this week as a precautionary measure, he said. Results are expected next week. Surface lead testing was conducted by Environmental Health Professionals on Dec. 11, then again on Feb. 1. Results from Galson Laboratories in Syracuse, N.Y., differed. Five of 20 areas tested on Feb. 1 revealed levels well above the accepted standards for lead content of 40 micrograms per square foot, set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Act. There are no similar Canadian standards for acceptable levels of lead dust. An area tested in the computer room subfloor revealed a level of 1,400 micrograms per square foot. A level of 360 micrograms was found in the subfloor of the dispatch area. Six areas tested last Dec. 11 revealed the highest level of 130 micrograms in the lunchroom on top of the pop machine and 81 micrograms on the dispatch-room floor tile. All other tested areas on both dates revealed minute traces of lead. The discovery has dispatchers worried about their health and prompted the Calgary Police Association to send a Feb. 14 memo urging its members to have their blood tested for "abnormal lead levels and other contaminants." Burn said he believes such testing isn't necessary, but that the police service will look at providing testing. Last November, 911 dispatch workers expressed concern about working in a sick building in light of the high number of illnesses. They included chronic fatigue and rashes, breathing problems, 14 workers diagnosed with autoimmune diseases and a high number of miscarriages and birth defects, including three children born with autism. Paladin Services Ltd. was hired by the police service to conduct tests. Toxic stachybotrys chartarum mould was twice found in the dispatch centre. Burn described the amounts so "minute" employees were not at risk. Concerns have also been raised about asbestos and mice. "We found mould. We found mould again. We know we have asbestos. Now we have lead and it is a concern. You pull all these things together and people are not comfortable with why they are safe to still be working there," said Stoshnof. "I have great concerns about the high levels of lead that have been discovered." © Copyright 2002 Calgary Herald ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:55:11 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Such sport shooting elk that can run, not escape http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory.asp?id={822DC3EC-F303-4116-B724-26CA79A3FDBE} Such sport shooting elk that can run, not escape Jean Hattie Edmonton Journal Letters to the Editor Sunday, February 24, 2002 It gratifies my heart to see there are those who have truly evolved as beings of higher intelligence. I refer to the proposed hunting preserves the government of Alberta is actually considering as an agricultural industry with potential. What a brilliant idea! Those hunters with more brawn than brains can pay money to pit their expertise against a domesticated deer or elk within a fenced enclosure. Sounds like fun, eh? I like the part where the design of the hunting preserve allows the animal to escape from view but not from the enclosed area. That will make for some pretty tricky shooting, huh? Oh yeah -- this is not called killing defenceless domesticated animals that have been raised on game farms regulated by Alberta Agriculture. It's referred to as harvesting, kind of pastoral like. Yep! We've got us some dedicated folks there in government helping out this collapsed industry. Supply and demand sure aren't what they used to be. Those folks in government, they do work hard, don't they, looking after the best interests of us Albertans. And the hardworking taxpayers of Alberta won't mind paying for any of this process, will they? Isn't that how business is done in this province? Someone has a great idea and the taxpayers pay for it. You've got to like that! Jean Hattie, Sherwood Park © Copyright 2002 Edmonton Journal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:00:59 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Funds cut to business group with Liberal links I guess we are supposed to be thankful we only lost 1.2m... http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20020223/145217.html February 23, 2002 Funds cut to business group with Liberal links Taxpayers lost $1.2M Andrew McIntosh National Post OTTAWA - The federal government is terminating a grant to a Montreal area business group with close ties to the Liberal party after an audit showed two of the group's managers lost $750,000 of a $1-million government-provided regional investment fund. Claude Drouin, the Minister of State responsible for the federal economic development agency in Quebec, announced the termination of the operating grant to Technobase Rive-Sud one month after a story about its poor investment record appeared in the National Post. Mr. Drouin announced the move during Question Period after opposition Bloc Québécois MPs peppered him with questions about Technobase, which aimed to help create jobs on a former military base that was closed in St. Hubert. "Canada Economic Development has decided to end its contribution to the operations of Technobase," Mr. Drouin said . An official said funding, which was approved at $350,000 a year for three years in late 2000, will be cut in April, 18 months earlier than planned. The Technobase chairman was, until last year, Jacques Olivier, a former Liberal Cabinet minister. Technobase and the federal government lost more than $1.2-million in federal loans and grants trying to entice high-technology companies to the former military air base, the Post reported. Several companies that received unsecured Technobase loans went bankrupt: - - Entreprises Solstice, a machine shop, received a $300,000 loan and left $196,467 unpaid when it went bankrupt, court records show. - - Interquest Inc., a software developer, left behind a $115,000 Technobase loan, bankruptcy court records show. - - Alpha Precision, a third company, has also gone bankrupt, leaving behind another $180,000 loan, according to documents from Technobase. - - Technobase is poised to lose another $395,000 after it guaranteed a bank loan taken out by Windeagle Aircraft Corp., which is facing bankruptcy proceedings. An audit of Technobase operations by Samson Bélair/Deloitte Touche blamed the losses on "the lack of competence and experience" of two employees who were studying and approving the loans. Auditors concluded the loans were not studied carefully enough and were improperly monitored by Technobase staff. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:01:50 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Murder suspect escapes Can you say Keystone Kops? http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1014418933349 Feb. 24, 12:34 EDT Murder suspect escapes Hamilton police fail to notify area police promptly HAMILTON - A man wanted for attempted murder in Hamilton was released by Peel police after he was treated for a gunshot wound in Brampton. Peel police say they had no reason to hold Brampton's Adrien Roy Baptiste, 19. They weren't aware of a shooting and let the man go after talking to him. Baptiste is wanted for second-degree murder in the shooting death of Hamilton's Desmon Cecil Mingo, 20, in an 11.30 p.m. gunfight at a Sherman Avenue North home Tuesday night. Peel officers were called when a man with a bullet wound in one leg arrived at Brampton Memorial Hospital's emergency ward for treatment around 1 a.m. Wednesday. Hamilton police had notified area hospitals that a man might be seeking treatment. But they didn't send bulletins to Peel and Toronto police until later in the morning, once they knew more about Mingo's assailant. Baptiste was gone by then and remains at large. Peel police will not comment on what Baptiste told them to explain his wound. "That is now evidence in a homicide investigation," a spokesman said. Baptiste is known to associate with Toronto area street gangs and is considered dangerous. He has told Hamilton police he will not surrender. "He knows he is wanted, but does not want to turn himself in at this time," Detective Sergeant Warren Korol, major crime unit case manager on the homicide, said Friday. Baptiste was apparently shot in one leg when gunfire broke out in a "business meeting" Mingo had requested with him. Two men traded shots with at least one other person. Mingo, who went to the apartment with another Hamilton man, had a gun at the meeting. Police said they have not recovered the murder weapon. Mingo was shot twice in the back and was found lying in the backyard after everyone who was in the basement apartment fled. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Hamilton General Hospital. Hamilton police, who issued the warrant for Baptiste Thursday, said they are also seeking another man known as "Teddy" in their investigation. "Teddy" who drives a red 1997 Chrysler Neon, is considered armed and dangerous. Torstar News Service ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:06:22 -0600 From: "Brad Thorarinson" Subject: Re: Lead traced to police range From: "Bruce Mills" > Now, the police range would have to mmet all requirements under the > Firearms Regulations, wouldn't it? > > http://www.canada.com/components/printstory/printstory.asp?id=5EBB7E79-7047- 46CB-A438-1FC9175195A0 > > Lead traced to police range > > Linda Slobodian > Calgary Herald Nope, ranges used exclusively by police, military, business (such as armoured car companies or gunsmiths) are exempted IIRC. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:51:56 -0600 From: "jim davies" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #567 > I have been receiving the digest for a few years now, but recently there has > been too many volumes to read, so I end up just skimming through a few of > them, and deleting the rest. > > Can I suggest a different layout for the digest? > > [Moderator's note: While your suggestion does have merit, the amount of time > that this would take up would be more of a burden than we can expect any > particular volunteer to accept... It is easy to forget that the digest depends on volunteers to get it out. Once again, we can appeal to each and every poster to practice good technique for their postings. Some examples: remove all the extraneous stuff from your responses. In other words, if the article you are responding to makes three claims, and you are disputing or commenting on one, edit out the other two. on news items from media outlets, send a sentence or two plus the http address so others can check it out as desired. Don't forget that popular subjects will get posted here numerous times. Try and contain rants to one reasonable paragraph in length. Multi-page responses to almost anything are likely to be ignored by most folks. If we did a better job of self editing, our volunteers would have an easier time of it. Of course, we could always approach the lieberals for one of those sweet, under the table deals they give their running dogs. Then we could hire professionals to deliver this digest ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:53:22 -0600 From: "jim davies" Subject: Liar, liar > Warm weather means Prairie gopher derby > > By KRISTA FOSS > > Globe and Mail > > But biologists are concerned...according to Gail Michener, a professor of biological sciences at > the University of Lethbridge... > "The way that it has been portrayed is that the whole bloody province > is under attack," University of Regina ecologist Ray Poulin said. > > Mr. Poulin believes that shooting gophers is a Band-Aid solution that > may in fact inspire them to reproduce faster. "They propose to do it > for a noble cause," he said. "But it does nothing for farmers. > Instead, they get people involved in hunting and shooting more." > > He thinks that control strategies need to consider whether the > gopher's natural predators -- which are many -- are in decline... Once again, the Root Cause crowd, fresh from trying to justify bin Ladens slaughter in New York brings out their tiresome smoke and mirrors show in defence of looney-tune liberalism. Nothing like a little root-cause bafflegab to reduce any issue to knee jerk stupidity. No surprise this is from the Mop and Pail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:39:28 -0600 From: MJ Subject: coincidence? Is it coincidence that the individuals who uniquely identify themselves on the Digest with a full name and address, ultimately get singled out for special attention from the CFC? [Moderator's Note: There is no such thing as coincidence - you're just not paying close enough attention to what the other guy is doing...] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:42:20 -0600 From: MJ Subject: laundry Would those who think the digest or chat is the place to criticize the only national organization working on our behalf, please take their foot shooting target practise somewhere else. I don't come here to dance, or play sandbox games, or listen to children squabbling. Mr moderator-- don't dignify childish behaviour and name calling by publishing this crap. This is not a public lavatory where someone can scrawl anything they want on the walls. The digests are too big already without adding more fluff. Let's all show the responsibility we claim to have as firearm owners, and that goes for contributors and moderators alike. MJ [Moderator's Note: While I agree with you, I feel that this issue is too important to sweep under the rug or censor. I do admonish all involved in this discussion to conduct themselves in a mature manner. BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:57:50 -0600 From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: FYI - Letter to the CFC Dear Dr Ackermann, Re: Your Letter to CFC Excellent letter. You write well. Please keep us posted as this unfolds. Sincerely, Eduardo Michael Ackermann wrote: > To: The People With No Last Names > Canadian Firearms Center > 284 Wellington St., > Ottawa, ON > K1A 0H8 > > From: M.J. Ackermann, MD > Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. > Sherbrooke, NS Canada > B0J 3C0 > > 902-522-2172 > mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca > > FAC #NS-97-1050151 > > Re: My telephone conversation with two CFC staff members 08 Feb, 2002 > > Dated: 25 February, 2002 > > Dear Sir/Ms, > > This letter is to complain about poor ‘service’ received from two of > your staff members on 08 Feb 2002. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:13:07 -0500 From: Bruce Mills Subject: (no subject) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SWF votes down 'civil disobedience' PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2002.02.25 EDITION: Final SECTION: Local/Regional PAGE: A5 BYLINE: Jill Strelieff SOURCE: The StarPhoenix ILLUSTRATION: Photo: (Joe) Schemenauer - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- SWF votes down 'civil disobedience' - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Members of the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation rejected a resolution calling for 'peaceful disobedience' of the federal government's gun control law, Bill -<68>, Saturday. "Out of desperation, we had a resolution asking the wildlife federation to orchestrate civil disobedience," said Lorne Scott, executive director of the SWF. "The wildlife federation has not and will not encourage people to break the law, so that resolution was lost." This comes after controversy over the law, which requires all firearms to be registered and for all gun owners to take a farm safety course. The SWF disagrees with the government's demand to have all firearms registered. "Safe storage, safe handling, responsible use, be sure of your target -- in that respect, we're not opposed to gun control," said Scott. "What we're opposed to is the costly, complicated, and basically ineffective legislature from Ottawa." A second resolution concerning Bill -<68> that failed to win over delegates concerned legalizing Sunday hunting. Scott says delegates turned it down because most landowners would tire of hunters on their land seven days a week. A third resolution about Bill -<68> was passed. It called for an audit of the money spent by Ottawa on gun control. "It's asking the federal government to be accountable," said Scott. "It's nothing illegal, just asking for facts and good government to be based on facts and correct information." Scott wasn't surprised by any of the voting outcomes, especially the request for civil disobedience. "We're not a militant group and we're not about to openly flop the law," he said. However, he suggests there will be many new criminals in Canada next year when a majority of gun owners don't register their firearms. He blames the government for putting the public between a rock and a hard place with gun control legislation. RE-ELECTED: Joe Schemenauer, who acted as the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation (SWF) president last year, was re-elected on Saturday at the SWF conference. "It's always an honor to be a servant of a major organization like this," said Schemenauer. "We're involved in a number of issues and it's a real honor to be re-elected." Schemenauer became involved with the SWF through conventions, which he said were "a real good time." His main goal for this term involved the youth initiative recently launched by the SWF, in addition to several other issues such as the Habitat Trust program. As for re-election after this, he says he's taking it one day at a time. "I'm just happy to be re-elected at this point," Schemenauer said. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #569 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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