From: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V4 #627 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, March 19 2002 Volume 04 : Number 627 In this issue: What the Animal Alliance thinks of hunters, farmers and gun owners Fw: Links to several good articles Re: free registration RE: Natives to take deer-hunting case to Supreme Court BOWSER MEETS MR. WINCHESTER treading on others' freedoms get real on treaties Re: [NFAMemberDigest] OPERATION PHONEBOOK Re: Law against impromptu target shooting? Re: Newfoundland: No one hurt as student fires gun during show-and-tell Re: Operation Phonebook Ottawa paid twice for report, critics say ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:19:47 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: What the Animal Alliance thinks of hunters, farmers and gun owners Excerpt from Animal Alliance of Canada - Winter 2002 Fund Raising Letter After decades of struggle, our laws are beginning to recognize that animals deserve rights. It's you who can take credit for this. You see, the reality is that Bill C15B did not come about because our federal politicians in the Liberal Party suddenly saw the light. No! C15B happened because Animal Alliance and our political arm, Environment Voters - thanks to your generous donations and letter writing - proved in elections and on Parliament Hill that support for C15B would win votes, and failure to pass C15B would cost votes. It started in the last federal election. Because of a commitment made by the Minister of Justice, Anne McLellan, in the House of Commons to pass C15B, Environment Voters campaigned for her re-election. Under attack by hunters and gun owners and a cabal of extremist right wing groups, Ms McLellan was in a losing campaign. Environment Voters stepped in and championed her election. We ran the better campaign. Ms McLellan won by 700 votes. Good to her word, Ms. McLellan introduced the breakthrough animal protection legislation. Not surprising it was viciously opposed by the fur trade, researchers, hunters, agri-business - all those who profit or take pleasure in the harming of animals. Their tactics? Fear-mongering, lies, and the vilification of people like you who have compassion for animals. We countered again, went to Parliament Hill and reminded the federal Liberal MPs who were being brow-beaten by the $1,000/day animal exploitation lobbyists that if they failed to pass C15B, Animal Alliance and Environment Voters would campaign in the next election for their defeat. Again we prevailed. Bill C15B survived the committee processes and will, barring unforeseen events, pass into law shortly. But our job is not over, which is why I'm asking you - why I need you - to renew your support of Animal Alliance today. Getting our politicians to pass good animal protection laws is about reward and punishment - rewarding them for doing a good job and punishing them for doing a poor one. The Liberals have done a good job on Bill C15B, and our first chance to reward them will be in the upcoming by-election in Calgary Southwest, Preston Manning's old electoral district. With your help, Animal Alliance's political arm, Environment Voters, will run a campaign in the by-election to help the Liberal candidate get elected. It'll be a tough fight. This is the Canadian Alliance's heartland. Nevertheless, if the Canadian Alliance and the Progressive Conservatives split the right wing vote, it's possible for the Liberal candidate to win. Win or lose, what's important is that you and I once again show the Liberal Party and the other parties that - unlike in the past - thanks to you and the Animal Alliance there are now more votes in compassion than cruelty. For the sake of the animals who touch our hearts, I pray that with these two examples I've convinced you that renewing your support for Animal Alliance will truly help the animals, including those who share your caring home. Hoping that you will renew your support, may I ask even more of you? Any gift you choose to make will be greatly appreciated, but - if at all possible - please consider becoming a monthly contributor. Regular, predictable monthly contributions from you - either through automatic withdrawal from your bank account or by way of credit card - allows us to plan the most effective use of your contributions. Through monthly giving, you will help lower our overhead costs dramatically, which means we can spend much more of your valued contributions on protecting animals. In closing, I want to thank you again for all you did in 2001. If we keep working together, as we've done in the past - we can create a safer world for the animals who share and enrich our lives. Sincerely, for the animals who share your home and our world, Liz White Director, Animal Alliance of Canada PS: We need you to renew your support today. Please, help us - work with us - - to save the animals that share your home from being sold to research. Give us the means to reward or punish our politicians for their animal protection records. Thank you. http://www.animalalliance.ca/urgentalert/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:27:27 -0600 From: "The Jordans" Subject: Fw: Links to several good articles Annie, get your gun - ---------- Wall Street Journal - by Collin Levey Levey rebuts the recent New York Times column by Nicholas Kristof, which smeared and belittled recent college-based gun rights activism by women. "Mr. Kristof may be overreacting. It's hard to connect the dots between sport-shooting girls at a college that still serves milk and cookies in the dorms at bedtime and an impending spike in the national murder rate." (03/14/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/639819270.html When a loaded gun enters the equation - ---------- North Jersey Media - by Rod Allee "Should the young woman have access to a handgun? If the young woman were your daughter or your sister, would you want her to have access to a handgun - not locked up in a vault, but ready to go - as her enraged, abusive, threatening, drunk, and wasted boyfriend came through that apartment door? Even if that handgun were 'illegal'?" (03/17/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/47794914.html Couple stymied by presumption of guilt - ---------- Ottawa Citizen - by Dave Brown In this column, an estranged couple has the columnist acting as their go-between for communication because government-forced restraining orders prevent them from communicating directly. They claim to have been forcibly separated by "warriors in the war against violence towards women." (03/13/02) http://www.free-market.net/rd/688664733.html The insiderUpdate is a service of ifeminists.com, the portal for 21st century feminism and produced by The Henry Hazlitt Foundation as part of Free-Market.Net's Freedom Network . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:06:47 -0600 From: Christopher di Armani Subject: Re: free registration At 12:04 AM 2002-03-19 -0600, you wrote: >Well Christopher you know how the Dept. of justice likes to be seen as >serving the Public interest. Word is they are collecting phone books for >recycling. mail them one- with a 1 cent stamp and your free registration >application and that envelope taped firmly to it. Your submission will be >appreciated I am certain. I've already had a campaign similar to that going on ever since I got my lovely free offer. From what I understand, there was quite a run on 1 and 2 cent stamps a while back.... Saw a great tagline the other day. Went like this... Things to do today: #1 - Buy Guns. #2 - Shoot Bastards. I damn near fell off my chair when I read that one. Was very funny. Came from one of the characters I know south of the 49th. Great job you guys did at the show last weekend. Well done! I'ld love it if we could match you, better yet beat your total at the Coquitlam 2-day show April 20th & 21st.... Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:07:49 -0600 From: Jim Powlesland Subject: RE: Natives to take deer-hunting case to Supreme Court On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jason Hayes wrote: > We should be working together with them wherever possible as both > groups are in similar positions with regard to the federal > government. Unfortunately the natives are only in it for themselves and they could care less about the supposed "rights" of non-native hunters and gunowners. As far as they are concerned the feds could ban "sport hunting" and private gun ownership tomorrow and - as long as they are exempt - they wouldn't oppose it. Even the money for their constitutional challenges comes from government coffers. They have no need for us whatsoever. When Ontario Premier Mike Harris announced the Ontario Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act, the natives began a major campaign to fight it (see below). So much for "working together"... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 13:44:31 -0600 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Reply-To: cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Native groups fear hunting legislation PUBLICATION: The Kingston Whig-Standard DATE: 2001.07.23 EDITION: FINAL SECTION: World PAGE: 10 BYLINE: Maryann Flett SOURCE: The Canadian Press DATELINE: TORONTO - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Native groups fear hunting legislation - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TORONTO - Ontario aboriginal chiefs say hunting and fishing by the province's residents could soon be regulated by the hunting industry if draft legislation prepared by the Conservative government becomes law. First Nations, who have the constitutional right to hunt and fish year round, fear the hunting industry stands to profit from the move that will give sport hunters the same rights as natives have. "If you give more power to these groups they will challenge our rights," said Charles Fox, regional chief of the Chiefs of Ontario. The Ontario government won't provide details of its plans, although Premier Mike Harris said last summer that the Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act would soon become law. Plans for the act were first announced during Harris's 1999 election campaign. A document in his "campaign blueprint" outlined the government's plans to legally recognize hunting and fishing practices as part of the province's heritage by legislating the right to hunt and fish in the province. The Ministry of Natural Resources said the act is still in the early stages of development. It denies the legislation would, if passed, affect the constitutional rights of First Nations. "It will be a piece of legislation that will recognize the tradition of hunting in Ontario along with the role of conservation," said the ministry's Brett Kelly. David McLaren, the communication director of the Chippewas of Nawah, said the Ontario Chiefs have resolved to do whatever they can to stop the act from getting off the ground. McLaren said that early this month, a resolution was passed at the All Ontario Chiefs Meeting at Walpole Island in southwestern Ontario condemning the act. The Ontario Chiefs have resolved to devise a legal strategy to prevent legislation they believe would give the average sport hunter the same rights to hunting and fishing as First Nations. "This is some kind of feel-good legislation that is just bad for the environment and bad for First Nations people," said McLaren. MONEY-MAKERS McLaren said the legislation is being considered by the government in order to appease the money-makers in the sport hunting industry. He said a draft outlining the proposed act is circulating among First Nations communities in Ontario. The document is said to reveal the government's plan to introduce a commission made up of members of the sport hunting industry when it introduces the act. McLaren says the commission will be made up of the Fish and Wildlife Advisory Board, created by the government to administer profits generated by hunting licences in the province. McLaren said the commission may not be able to responsibly manage natural resources if the recreational hunting and fishing industry is influencing their decisions. The ministry denies the draft document exists and said the process is not even near the consultation stage. Plans for the Heritage Hunting and Fishing Act, and for the formation of the commission, came on the heels of intense lobbying by Ontario's sport-hunting groups. "It begins with us - we requested something from the provincial government on heritage legislation and last August the premier announced legislation would be coming," said Mark Holmes, the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters. "We are asking for their [Ontario government's] upfront and vocal support to regulate the average hunter's right to hunt." Holmes estimated that wildlife management and resources generate an average of $40-million annually for the provincial government. "The government knows where the money comes from; they generate millions from hunters," Holmes said. Local environmental groups say a draft of the legislation is being circulated in anticipation of a fall consultation process. "This act is completely dominated by the sport-hunting industry and is another one of [Ontario Premier Mike] Harris's privatization schemes,'' said Anita Krajnk of the Peaceful Parks Coalition. The perceived influence on the government by the hunting and fishing industry is what concerns the Ontario Chiefs. - --- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:09:08 -0600 From: "Bob Lickacz" Subject: BOWSER MEETS MR. WINCHESTER Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:13:19 -0600 From: "Ken Kellar" >Municipal discharge regulations are set by the local municipal bylaws and >are specific to each municipality. This is not in the provincial domain. This may apply to target shooting, but here in Alberta the Stray Animals Act allows landowners to shoot marauding dogs that "threaten, worry or chase" livestock even though a municipal bylaw may exist. I shot "Bowser" with 3 rounds of 12 gauge 00 buck shot, after the ba$tard killed 15 of my turkeys. Bowser's owner was a bit PO'd and wouldn't pay me for his dog's indiscretion. I hauled him into Small Claims Court and thrashed him soundly. In addition to paying for my dead birds he had to pay costs as well. There is a no shooting bylaw where I live. Didn't seem to help Bowser too much. Bob Lickacz NFA Edmonton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:10:01 -0600 From: Joe Gingrich Subject: treading on others' freedoms Gordon: You are as right as two rabbits. Firearms owners must, I said MUST, always remain united through our common thread (our lost freedoms must be returned from the tyrant in Ottawa). "United we stand divided we fall" is still in vogue for us especially today. The divide and conquer plan which at least goes back to the ancient Egyptians (a successful technique used to keep their slaves weak and orderly) and perfected by the Chretien' liberals toward firearms owners must be overcome at once. As they say you may disagree with your wife but you don't need to get a divorce or we will all remain slaves. Always look for ways firearms owners can stay united before severing the ties.. Joe Gingrich "Aside from all that , Eugene, as a firearms owner are you supporting taking rights from others while we are battling the Federal Government over our own rights? Ignoring others losing their rights is what led to this mess we are in. When the government fist said we are not going to let anyone own a machine gun we , who did not own or want to own machine guns, stood by while our brother's rights were trampled. If we had just stood by those people then we may well have avoided all this C 68 mess. Think a moment before you encourage others rights be trampled. Gordon Hitchen Director NFA Alberta" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:13:21 -0600 From: "jim davies" Subject: get real on treaties > > Please read the treaty little bit more carefully. First the treaty was > signet in the year 1899,. How many rifles using the smokeless powder did > exist at that time? Lett them use black powder rifles. And they were given > twine to make own nets, why not today, let them make own nets. And what > about the electric lamps and reflectors, why don't they use troches ? Exactly. Next point is that the massive and destructive cradle to grave welfare system inflicted on both Indians and taxpayers by an ignorant and arrogant federal government after WW2 was not enshrined in any treaty. If they want to live the traditional way, cut them off the nipple. First Nations folks are ruined by this socialist utopia just like every other group so afflicted. Socialism only works when surrounded by a bodyguard of lies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:14:20 -0600 From: Tom Zinck Subject: Re: [NFAMemberDigest] OPERATION PHONEBOOK Bob: I applaud your creativity, but I am not sure what the purpose of this "simon jestor" plan is. The NFA has been fighting for YEARS against the stereotype that the gun lobby is made up of "angry old men". This could be seen as vandalism, and abuse of Canada Post. I am not sure what type of POSITIVE effect this would have. Might I suggest that we focus on letter writting by targeting newspapers and MP's ? This has worked VERY well over the last few years.. so well that when the odd pro-C68 letter is puvlished that the editor typically rebuts it for us. Just my thoughts. Tom - --- Bob Lickacz wrote: > >I sent the 3" thick Edmonton Yellow > Pages phone books as my > contribution to Wendy's cause. Wendykins got a lot > of phone books from me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:15:23 -0600 From: "Brad Thorarinson" Subject: Re: Law against impromptu target shooting? From: "Yannis Marine" > Brad, > > I can not tell for Winnipeg, but in Ontario you can not discharge a firearm > within city limits unless it is an approved firing range. > > Yanni Yes, Winnipeg has such a bylaw, I believe, as do many other cities. But they are bylaws, not federal law. In Ontario it might be a provincial law? At any rate, the original question was about the presence or absence of federal law preventing casual target shooting in a field. I live in a moderately rural location, and frequently shoot on my own property. Around here, that's as likely to bring the neighbors over to join in as to cause complaints. YMMV, depending on your neighbors. Brad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:16:13 -0600 From: "Aubrey Morris" Subject: Re: Newfoundland: No one hurt as student fires gun during show-and-tell OK, someone please tell me this wasn't staged by some fanatic green-peacer. Do we have anyone in this community who can check this out? I'm getting more than a little skeptical of events such as this, and stories of 4-year olds strong enough to pull the trigger on a police sidearm, etc. Aubrey - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:24 AM Subject: Newfoundland: No one hurt as student fires gun during show-and-tell > > PUBLICATION: National Post > DATE: 2002.03.19 > EDITION: National > SECTION: Canada > PAGE: A11 > COLUMN: West to East > SOURCE: National Post > DATELINE: NORTH WEST RIVER > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- > ---- > - -snip- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:17:34 -0600 From: "James J. McAllister" Subject: Re: Operation Phonebook I am surprised in this surge in interest for Operation Phonebook. It's as if this idea was born yesterday. It must have been at least a month ago when Bob was explaining the operation. I have to wonder how closely folks are reading the digest. Alas this post isn't a b*tching post as opposed to a suggestion. Most folks have 1 phonebook and most likely need it. How about a real education for the mopes at justice. How about those old hardcover books. I know one fellow who has an entire encyclopedia ready to go. If all this extra baggage requires more office space for the mopes why not pitch in with some 2x4s, 12 inches at a time. JJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:36:12 -0600 From: Bruce Mills Subject: Ottawa paid twice for report, critics say http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/printarticle/gam/20020319/USCAMN Ottawa paid twice for report, critics say By DANIEL LEBLANC Tuesday, March 19, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A1 OTTAWA -- The federal government scrambled into full crisis-management mode yesterday evening after the opposition revealed that two distinct contracts worth more than $1-million to a Liberal-friendly firm had resulted in nearly identical reports. "If this is not fraud, what does [the government] call it?" Conservative Leader Joe Clark said in the House. Bloc Québécois MP Michel Gauthier said a comparison of the two documents shows that "essentially, it's the same report." After being hit with this revelation, Public Works Minister Don Boudria called an emergency meeting with his top officials late yesterday to find a way out of the crisis. There was talk of an investigation into the matter, but Mr. Boudria decided to allow Groupaction Marketing Inc. the chance to give its version of events. Still, a spokesman for the minister said Mr. Boudria agrees that the two reports "appear to be the same. "The minister asked [his officials] to contact Groupaction in order to determine whether Groupaction knowingly or by mistake submitted the same documentation for each of the contracts," said spokesman Marc Roy. Mr. Boudria will reveal his findings today, but Mr. Clark warned that the government should not expect to get rid of this hot potato quickly. "This is the beginning of the affair, not the end," Mr. Clark said in an interview. The furor started a week ago when The Globe and Mail reported that Ottawa and Groupaction could not find a document worth $550,000, which would have been done in February, 1999. A few days later, Groupaction announced that it had finally found "the major part" of that document in its computer archives. But after reviewing the report, the opposition found that it contained much of the same information that Ottawa paid $575,000 for in a second contract in October, 1999. The first document was intended to suggest ways the government could improve its visibility through cultural and sporting events, while the second report was meant to evaluate the impact of government sponsorships on recreation, hunting and fishing. But the results were remarkably similar: Both reports, for example, contain a recommendation that Ottawa sponsor the 1999 Quebec Games in the city of Alma. But by the time the second report was delivered in the fall of 1999, that event -- like many others listed -- had already happened. Both reports also contain the same spelling mistakes in some listings. All last week, the government tried to play down the controversy and any allegations that there was a relationship between advertising contracts and donations to the Liberal Party. Last Friday, Mr. Boudria said he was convinced that the issue was over when Groupaction sent over what it said was the first report. "In my opinion, this new nformation confirms that the work was indeed carried out," he said. Even yesterday afternoon, he said he would release an affidavit by Groupaction stating that it had indeed found the $550,000 report that had been missing. The affidavit released later on by Groupaction, however, did not make that assertion. Instead, it simply said that the documents that were identified as "the major part" of the missing report last week "were located on the server where we had transferred the hard drives that were used [in 1998-1999] by the employees in the sponsorship management division." A Groupaction employee said the company would not make further comments on the issue yesterday. In a statement released last week, Groupaction said that its employees had spent 3,300 hours preparing the first report. The political firestorm comes as the former minister who commissioned the reports, Alfonso Gagliano, appears this morning before a committee of the House to explain his January departure from politics and his new diplomatic appointment to Denmark. Opposition MPs are planning to grill him on the reports and the other allegations of patronage. In an interview shortly before his departure, Mr. Gagliano had offered his full support to Groupaction and its work on the second report. "What I'm told is that every minute, whatever we paid, they worked for and [it] was billed for," Mr. Gagliano told The Globe. The opposition jumped on the fact yesterday that Groupaction has been a major contributor to the Liberal Party of Canada. Groupaction and an affiliated company donated $70,000 between 1998 and 2000. "Does the minister [Mr. Boudria] think that his $550,000 report has value, or was it only the $70,000 kickback to the Liberals that had any value?" Canadian Alliance MP Peter Goldring asked in the House. Mr. Boudria rejected allegations of criminal acts, but he still distanced himself from Groupaction. "I'm not defending the indefensible, I'm not defending anything," he told reporters, adding he needed more information before deciding on the appropriate course of action. Copyright © 2002 Bell Globemedia Interactive Inc. 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