From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #24 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, September 5 2002 Volume 05 : Number 024 In this issue: VcrSun: We have more to fear than organized crime itself Interesting court decision.... Re: Name that Spock Re: Good Lawyers Interesting proceedings . . . . Woodbine slots draw crime, police say Slots don't mean crime electric meter Re: MasterCard is anti-gun !? Letter to the Editor Name NFA Assistance Man gets four years for shooting pizza driver A voice from the past ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:08:41 -0600 (CST) From: The Jordans Subject: VcrSun: We have more to fear than organized crime itself We have more to fear than organized crime itself The Ottawa Citizen Wednesday, September 04, 2002 Get ready to be scared. The Criminal Intelligence Service Canada, an intelligence consortium of police forces, claims in its latest report that "organized crime is a threat to all Canadians." Oh, no, it's worse than that, wrote RCMP Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli in his introduction to the report. Organized crime activities "threaten the fabric of Canadian society." Scaring the public about the threat of crime is a time-honoured police method of getting bigger budgets. Until Sept. 11 replaced a phantom menace with the real thing, the police and their political allies spent years whipping up fear about organized crime. Now, let's be clear: Organized crime is real. There are sophisticated groups involved in all sorts of schemes that do real harm. And there are truly nasty gangsters who commit horrific crimes and richly deserve handcuffs and prison time. There are also some fine police officers who give the bad guys what they deserve, and we owe them praise and gratitude. But what's false is the idea that organized crime is transforming into some kind of vast, hyper-sophisticated, transnational conspiracy. It wasn't true of the Mafia in the 1950s when this fairy tale was first heard, and it's not true today. It's also not true that organized crime can be tackled exclusively, or even primarily, by law enforcement. Take a look at where organized crime makes its money. With a few minor exceptions -- such as shakedowns and frauds -- organized crime gets rich from black markets: Drugs, prostitution, gambling, illegal guns, alcohol and cigarettes where taxes are high, illegal waste disposal, and so on. Anywhere there is consumer demand that cannot be met legally, organized crime flourishes: Black markets create organized crime, not the other way around. Fundamentally, organized crime is a matter of economics, which means we can't arrest and incarcerate the problem away: Jail a gang selling drugs and unsatisfied consumer demand will simply attract new gangs. Another implication is that real solutions can only be found by looking at how we regulate dangerous or undesirable goods and services, such as drugs, prostitution, waste disposal and guns, and by taking a careful look at things like taxation rates and regulatory schemes. "Never in history has there been a black market defeated from the supply side," notes R.T. Naylor, a McGill professor and an expert in the economics of crime, in his book The Wages of Crime. "From Prohibition to prostitution, from gambling to recreational drugs, the story is the same. Supply-side controls act, much like price supports in agriculture, to encourage production and increase profits. At best a few intermediaries get knocked out of business. "But as long as demand persists, the market is served more or less as before. In the meantime, the failure to 'win the war' becomes a pretext for increasing police budgets, expanding law enforcement powers, and pouring more money into the maw of the prison-industrial complex." Now that's something to be scared about. © Copyright 2002 Vancouver Sun http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/editorials/story.asp?id={190618A1-C0AA-43ED-A2BB-79E94CF81193} ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:10:09 -0600 (CST) From: The Jordans Subject: Interesting court decision.... So, did the Liberals enact changes to the Canada Evidence Act explicitly to block information from Canadians, and knowing that this was one of the cases on the books? Canada (Attorney General) v. Ribic DES-1-02 2002-08-02 http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fct/2002/2002fct839.html Opening Excerpt: The applicant Attorney General of Canada seeks an order, pursuant to subsection 38.06(3) of the Canada Evidence Act, confirming the prohibition of the disclosure of five documents in the possession of the Department of National Defence ("the secret documents") said to contain "sensitive information" or "potentially injurious information" as defined in section 38 of the Act ("the secret information"). To paraphrase the two definitions, this is information in the possession of the Government of Canada which, if disclosed publicly, could injure international relations, national defence or national security. Expurgated versions of the secret documents were produced by Captain Henry Doucette of the Canadian Forces during the Stinchcombe disclosure process in the criminal prosecution preferred by the respondent Attorney General of Ontario against the respondent Nicholas Ribic on charges of hostage taking in Pale, Bosnia in 1995. The trial is to commence on September 30, 2002. Closing Excerpt: These reasons for order have been written with the view of not disclosing the secret information and, to the extent possible, the evidence and representations in the ex parte sessions and some of the argument of counsel for the respondent Ribic. Finally, I am grateful to all counsel for their assistance in this first section 38 application commenced since the coming into force of the recent amendments to the Canada Evidence Act. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:12:48 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Name that Spock In a message dated 9/4/2002 9:55:21 AM Central Daylight Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > By the way, how about a name? Reply via private email if you like. > - Not a problem - Name is Rob Mazurek ! (although I do get that "spock" a lot) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:13:31 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Good Lawyers Dan Lupichuk wrote: > Regards your message and individual charged. > Regardless of not meeting the criteria I listed, which was > meant as an ideal scenario, we will contact you. Thanks. Mr Tomlinson just called and offered to assist as possible. I have suggested that the client's lawyer call Mr Tomlinson. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:14:12 -0600 (CST) From: The Jordans Subject: Interesting proceedings . . . . Interesting proceedings . . . . Air Canada v. Canada (Commissioner of Competition) A-749-00 2002-03-22 http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fct/2002/2002fca121.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:22:35 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Woodbine slots draw crime, police say I meant to post this earlier, but I"ve been a little busy; Linda's post about police scare tactics reminded me about it. There is a Letter to the Editor that appeared a week later from the head of security at Woodbine that calls the cops out on thier tactics, which I will post separately. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?tf=tgam/common/SearchFullStoryPrint.html&cf=tgam/common/GenericSearch.cfg&configFileLoc=tgam/config&encoded_keywords=woodbine+slots&option=¤t_row=2&start_row=2&num_rows=1&search_results_start=1 Woodbine slots draw crime, police say Offences increased after machines were installed in 2000, report says By GAY ABBATE Saturday, August 24, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A20 Bright lights, loud music, the ping of coins falling into trays and thousands of people pulling the black handles of one-arm bandits all contribute to the party atmosphere inside the Woodbine Racetrack and Slots. Outside in the streets in northwest Toronto, however, crime has increased with the slots' arrival, police say. Their statistics paint an unpleasant picture of life around the racetrack since the province installed 1,752 electronic slot machines on March 9, 2000. Crime in the racetrack's vicinity, known by police as Patrol Area 2306, jumped by 27.4 per cent to 1,267 offences in 2000, from 994 the previous year. In Patrol Area 2301, immediately to the north of 2306, crime rose by 10 per cent to 2,141offences in 1999. In 23 Division, which includes the two patrol areas, crime increased by 4.6 per cent from the same period in 1999. The data were released in a recent police staff report prepared for the Toronto Police Services Board. The document shows that violent crime in the racetrack's area rose 28.5 per cent in 2000, while property crimes rose 15.9 per cent. North of the racetrack, violent crime did not rise, but property crime went up 14 per cent. Violent crimes include killings, sexual assault, assaults and some robberies. Property crimes include breaking and entering, fraud and auto theft. The statistics include traffic offences that are listed in the Criminal Code, such as impaired driving. In the division as a whole, traffic offences increased by 9.6 per cent, while in Patrol Area 2301, the increase was 41.5 per cent. Patrol Area 2306 shows a 10-per-cent decrease. Similar data for 2001 and 2002 are not available. However, Deputy Chief Steve Reesor said the important numbers are those from 2000, because they show the jump in crime that occurred immediately after the slot machines were installed. He estimates that there has been a slight increase in overall crime in the two patrol areas since 2000. Other statistics that police said are indicators of gambling-related crime are the number of pawn shops and second-hand stores in the division. According to the report, there were six before the arrival of the slot machines, and more than 25 by the end of 2000. The report notes that the increase can indicate criminal activity because pawned items may be stolen property. Residents living north of the racetrack, however, aren't buying into the police statistics. Several residents interviewed by The Globe and Mail said they do not believe crime has increased. "It's a tranquil community," said a long-time resident who did not want to be identified. Another resident who dismisses the statistics is Rob Ford, Toronto City Councillor for Ward 2 in northern Etobicoke since before the slot machines arrived. "I haven't seen any indication of an increase in crime," Mr. Ford said. "Police have never told me there's a problem." He said the gambling has had a positive impact, in that the area surrounding Woodbine has been cleaned up and landscaped. He said he hasn't seen many pawn shops or second-hand stores in the ward. When asked yesterday about the pawn-shop figures in the report, police said the number reported may be a tally for all of Etobicoke. One police officer, however, said the location of such shops is irrelevant because people who play the slots live all over the city. Mr. Ford said police are using two-year-old figures to try to convince the council to give the force money for more officers. The police board is trying to obtain funding to hire an additional 18 officers for 23 Division to deal with increased crime that it says is fallout from the gambling. The board has tried unsuccessfully to get the funding increase for the past two years. Deputy Chief Reesor said police have been managing by moving officers from other parts of the city to serve the areas around the racetrack. "We have to re-deploy police from the rest of the city, and that means a lower level of policing across the city," he said. "Really, it's the community that suffers throughout the city." The division received almost 500 calls related to the gambling in 2000, and police said the majority of the complaints were about unwanted guests, accidents, thefts and impaired driving. Toronto police are responsible for policing outside the race track, as well as investigating all incidents that occur inside the facility. The Ontario Provincial Police have jurisdiction over gambling offences within the building. Copyright © 2002 Bell Globemedia Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:23:21 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Slots don't mean crime This is the follow up letter to the original story. Slots don't mean crime By COLLIN A. ADAMS Saturday, August 31, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A14 Toronto -- Re Woodbine Slots Draw Crime, Police Say (Aug. 24): When the Toronto Police Services Board was reviewing this issue in late 2000, its analyst acknowledged that the police could not correlate any increase in crime in the surrounding area with the Woodbine entertainment facility. There was no correlation then and there is none now. It was disappointing to read Deputy Chief Steve Reesor's remarks regarding criminal statistics and see how they were interpreted. His motive is doubtless to get additional resources. However, his unwarranted attack on one of his most supportive community partners is just not credible. The slot operations at Woodbine alone provide some $15-million to the City of Toronto. This is in addition to direct and indirect taxes paid and generated by the facility. It is not for us to say how Toronto should spend such revenues, but we have always more than paid for our fair share. Given that north Etobicoke has had problems for years, we would support any initiative by Toronto to allocate a greater part of these funds to allow the police to better respond to community needs. Serious or violent crime on our premises is, to all intents and purposes, non-existent. It is simply not credible to say that our patrons, to any statistically significant degree, would leave our facility, then commit a serious crime in the neighbourhood because of some cause-and-effect relationship. Vice-president, Security Services, Woodbine Entertainment Group Copyright © 2002 Bell Globemedia Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:05:31 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Snow Subject: electric meter > From: Bruce Mills > Subject: Re: gas, electricity > > Barry Snow wrote: > > >> >> Note that the FA does not allow force. >> >> >> >> This act is also full of sections similar to FA re: co-operation to >> >> persons at the site being 'inspected'. Meter verifiers seem to have >> >> almost the same powers as an inspector. >> >> >> >> Got a gas or power meter in your house? > >> > >> > >> > OK, but...this allows an electricity or a gas company to go into your home to >> > inspect *their* equipment, or read *their* meter, not to check out if your >> > privately owned property is stored "safely". > >> >> No, this allows an "inspector" under the act to inspect a meter. >> Whether it belongs to the gas company or not. As a power producer, I >> own the meter at my generation facility. The meter is read by a >> telephone connection. > > > Regardless, it is still someone *else's* property that is situated in/at your > home, not your own personal and privately owned property. And you mentioned > meter readers... No, it is my meter, cabinet, current transformers and cell phone. The meter reader comes no closer than 200 miles away at his Calgary computer terminal. >> There has never been a proven safety "crisis" when it comes to someone >> stealing electricity. Besides, I never wrote the act, I was simply >> pointing out that this is what was written and the factor of safety is >> not part of the law. This is what is allowed whether or not there is a >> perceived or real or non-existent factor regarding safety. > > > I wasn't criticising you, Barry, I was just stating my opinion of the > provisions, and what they cover. I thought you were buying into the "safety" argument of the grabbers. > And there has been a number of different agencies who claim that stealing > electricity for "grow ops" presents a danger to the occupants of the home, > especially "the chillddrrruuuunnnn". Theft doesn't need to be condemned on the safety fear factor. It is theft. > If "safety" isn't a factor in the law, what is its purpose? The same purpose as the same quote from Chapter 39. They can check your grow operation to see if you have firearms they may like or check your firearms to see if you have a grow operation they may like or...whatever. >> I note that you said,"or use". Why would improper use of firearms not >> constitute a hazard, "damage and or injury to not only the homeowner but >> surrounding homes". Do you have one example of this happening with any >> of these? >> Barry > > > Well, that's the difference between "use" and "misuse", isn't it? There you go. > Yours in Liberty, > Bruce > Hamilton > Ontario > nite-nite Barry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:57:00 -0600 (CST) From: Grizz Axxemann Subject: Re: MasterCard is anti-gun !? Alfred Hovdestad wrote: > > > I have both NFA & CSSA mastercards. There are no affinity VISA cards, to my > > knowledge, or AMEX. > > The Royal Bank has affinity VISA cards. You can see the list of > participants at > http://www.royalbank.com/cards/consumer/affinity/index.html > > Alfred There's also the GM Visa Card... I think it's only through TD though... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:58:21 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Letter to the Editor This letter is regarding the recent advice printed in your paper about how to respond to an aggressive bear. You missed out on the most basic and important life saving tip: When in bear country, carry and be trained in the use of a rifle or shotgun. Personally I have found that quietly backing away from an aggressive bear while holding him in the sights of my 12 guage slug gun works just great. I've only ever had to fire once and were I not prepared to do so, I would not be writing this letter today. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:59:51 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Name Thom, How about "RFC CAnada" as suggested by Al Dorans? - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:21:16 -0600 (CST) From: Dan Lupichuk Subject: NFA Assistance From: Paul Ryan Dan it appears that you are now speaking on behalf of the NFA Paul Ryan ******** No Paul you are mistaken, I only speak for myself or the Prov. Branch. Paul, why would you assume posting possible contact information would be 'speaking on behalf of NFA?' I can and do speak on behalf of the Sk. Prov. Branch and if you refer to the original message; copied below; that I posted on this thread I referred to this province and lawyers we know and their 'win record', and signed it as NFA Saskatchewan. With regards to your other questions, I can tell you that in Saskatchewan there are currently more than one and less than 100 cases where firearms or firearms-related charges have been laid, are ongoing and there is NFA involvement--and that is all that can be said about any case that isn't concluded before the courts. I do not know about other provinces; I have not asked. Your other questions I cannot answer, I am located somewhat further away from where these other things are occurring or not occurring than you are. I am unaware of the "Blow Gun" incident, where would we find reference to this information you mention? Hope this helps clarify any misunderstandings you may have had. Original Message Below __________________________________________________________ There have been a number of postings about good firearms lawyers on this form. If someone is charged under the so- - -called firearms-laws a good place to start is probably your provincial NFA executives. They will no doubt have some information about lawyers active in firearms law. In this province we have a couple who have a very good win record on defending firearms owners that have been charged with offenses. Dan Lupichuk NFA Saskatchewan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:28:09 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Tomlinson Subject: Man gets four years for shooting pizza driver Dennis: What ever happened to "severe punishment" for things like using a gun in a robbery to shoot the victim? Dave... - ------- PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2002.09.05 SECTION: Metro PAGE: A5 SOURCE: Court Reporter BYLINE: Brian Hayes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- Man gets four years for shooting pizza driver - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- A Dartmouth man was sentenced this week to four years in prison for his part in robbing, shooting and wounding a metro pizza driver. Judson Lamar Falls, also known as Joey Thompson, appeared before Judge Fran Potts in Dartmouth provincial court Tuesday. He was also banned from possessing for 10 years and ordered to provide a sample of his DNA. Mr. Falls, 19, pleaded guilty in March to stealing money and food from driver Donald Horne while he was making a delivery to a Dartmouth residence on Jan. 14, 2001. Mr. Horne, 53, was attacked by three masked men - one carrying a sawed-off shotgun - just inside the front entrance to the Windmill Road building. The trio had a woman call in a food order to a phoney apartment number and then laid in wait for the driver. When confronted by the men, Mr. Horne threw the pizza at the gun carrier and ran upstairs. While being chased through the building, he saw one of the would-be robbers load the gun and shoot. Although shot in the leg, Mr. Horne continued to run, made it to his car and drove himself to hospital. He has since undergone at least six operations. Mr. Falls was also charged with attempting to murder Mr. Horne and endangering his life by discharging a shotgun. But those charges were withdrawn by the Crown on Tuesday. Last October, a 17-year-old Dartmouth boy was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in a youth detention centre for his part in the robbery. The teen, whose identity is protected under the Young Offenders Act, had earlier pleaded guilty to robbing the driver and violating his probation. In May of last year, Frankie William Downey, 19, of Pinecrest Drive in Dartmouth was sentenced to six years in prison for his role in the incident. Mr. Downey had pleaded guilty to armed robbery for using a shotgun to steal money from Mr. Horne. He pleaded not guilty to attempting to murder the driver but guilty to a reduced charge of aggravated assault, for which he received a six-year concurrent sentence. The Crown withdrew a third charge of endangering Mr. Horne's life. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:31:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Karl Schrader" Subject: A voice from the past ! While cleaning out my computer, I came across this prophetic essay. I seem to remember that petelaw is the lawyer who also wrote the "Bluepete Essays". I could be wrong about the author, though. Even if nothing the author predicted as far as any relief from oppression has come to pass, it's still quite interesting to see what the thinking was in 1998. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 07:13:46 -0600 From: petelaw@usa.net Subject: Why We Will Win I would like to propose to the readers of this journal and to the staff of the CFC and our politicians some reasons that we the responsible firearms users of Canada will eventually win the struggle against irresponsible firearms registration legislation, such as Bill C-68. Please feel free to add your own reasons to this list, but keep it serious. Well, maybe a little humor is justified, but this is a serious struggle for individual rights. The politicos and upper echelon of our National Canadian Police Force have mistakenly assumed that a firearms registration program based on the anti-gun laws of England/Great Britain would be accepted in this country. That is a wrong assumption. In Canada, gun ownership and use of firearms is based on a long tradition of the rights of individual citizens to own and use guns. In this tradition we are more closely related to the great democracies of Switzerland and the USA, where the use of guns for hunting and target shooting and self-defense have been available to the average citizen since the countries were settled. We will win because we have a long history of over 300 years in Canada of firearm ownership and use by average citizens - a tradition that will not easily be forgotten. A well-known member of the B.C. provincial Liberal Party stated in a newspaper interview a few years ago that Canada was becoming an "elected dictatorship". He went on to explain that most of the significant business done in Parliament in Ottawa was accomplished through Cabinet in the form of Orders-In-Council (OIC's). This is the practice of making laws without the assent of the elected representatives of the people. It is the inherent nature of parliamentary systems to overlook the rights of minorities when the party in power has absolute control over what legislation gets to be debated on the floor and what doesn't. Our parliamentary system also allows the gross practice of permitting the party in power to demand that all members toe the party line when a vote is called. This guarantees that almost any legislation introduced by the majority party will become law. If this isn't a dictatorial system what is! But Abe Lincoln wisely said that you can't fool all of the people all of the time. We will win because all dictators eventually show their true colours and people rise up against them. One significant observation on the Canadian Government's anti-gun crusade is that in all the years since the crusade started in the late 1970's the government has never allowed an open public debate to take place on the gun control issue. The Canadian Government has been very concerned with public opinion and has spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer's dollars on opinion surveys. These are the type of surveys where a professional pollster such as Angus Reid or Gallup queries a relatively small selected sample of people who supposedly hold representative opinions for the majority of Canadians. It is important to understand that 80% of our population doesn't know anything about firearms except the completely unrealistic images that they have seen on television and in the movies. The Canadian Government is afraid to allow a Canada-wide public debate over radio, television and other media on this issue because many apathetic citizens would see that the right to own and use f! firearms is involved with the basic foundations of democracy and is seriously threatened by our Liberal "Big Brother" government. We will win because the gross violations of individual rights in Bill C-68 will arouse the public to demand a public debate, and the government will not be able to refuse. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #24 ********************************* Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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