From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #34 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, September 9 2002 Volume 05 : Number 034 In this issue: TORONTO SUN LETTERS TO THE EDITOR SEPTEMBER 9, 2002 Gun Shop Victim... Ontario Hunting and Outdoor show. RE: Ontario Hunting and Outdoor show. Moore's look at gun culture reveals Toronto's shocking open-door 'Mom' attacked again: Convict takes aim, 'zip ' misfires Jasper residents given advice on how to deter bears from coming into Letter: Federal gun law violates our rights ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:58:38 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: TORONTO SUN LETTERS TO THE EDITOR SEPTEMBER 9, 2002 http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoSun/editorial.html TORONTO SUN LETTERS TO THE EDITOR SEPTEMBER 9, 2002 RE GUN store robbery ( "Shot for no reason," Sept. 6): What's to worry? The guys who robbed the Ontario Sporting Supplies store of those 75 handguns will soon be apprehended - just as soon as they register all of the guns they stole. Of course they will. After all, Bill C-68 is the gun control bill for everyone. Isn't it? Jim Lawrence Wooler (Couldn't resist the shot, could you?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:00:12 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Gun Shop Victim... Mike, I grieve for you and John's family. The slanderous @$$holes in the P.D. and the media are trying to show that John somehow 'deserved it' when the punk pulled the trigger. They simply cannot accept that it is the Lieberal's twisted view of how Canadian society should operate, as expressed by their abomination of a gun law and 'criminal industry' justice system, that are to blame for this death. Or maybe they're afraid that the public may actually shake off its welfare-state-induced political stupor and see what has been happening. So they resort to slander instead of admitting fault. Notice how even the headline of the article is carefully crafted to suggest, in the minds of the unthinking readers, that John was somehow a victim of being in a gun shop!! I don't think for a second that Bruce Mills intended to propagate this garbage. Just the opposite, in fact. I believe he intended to show us all just how low the Lieberals and their lapdogs will stoop as they wage their propaganda war against the RFC. In one fell swoop they have attempted to turn public sentiment away from the victim of a violent crime all the using their failure to successfully investigate an old robbery to cover up the shortcomings of old and current criminal laws. I, for one, am glad Bruce posted it, as hard as it was for me to read it. If he hadn't I would have been unaware of how low those suns of b!tches will go. Now my level of outrage has just been pushed up a notch and I am one step closer to standing with Ed on Parliament Hill on January 1st. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:33:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Glock22 .40 S & W" Subject: Ontario Hunting and Outdoor show. >Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:10:59 -0600 (CST) >From: Joe Gingrich >Subject: Ontario Hunting and outdoor Show >It seems to me that you don't understand what is at stake here. There is >more >than firearms that are involved here. Of course there is more than firearms involved here, I won't argue that. I think you are confusing the Federals with the Provincials. It was the Federals that brought us the Firearms ACT. Whether you like it or not it is, for now, the law of the land. While the Ontario CFO is in fact administrating this piece of crap, they are doing so, at least in such a manner that those of us in Ontario can still enjoy our sport, while we fight the Federals in the meantime. If we don't continue to use our firearms we will lose them. We must continue to shoot, compete, collect, hunt etc, moreso even now! Fight the laws yes, but don't stop enjoying your sport. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:58:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Bear.23 Rogers" Subject: RE: Ontario Hunting and Outdoor show. >Of course there is more than firearms involved here, I won't argue that. >I think you are confusing the Federals with the Provincials. It was the >Federals that brought us the Firearms ACT. Whether you like it or not it is, >for now, the law of the land. While the Ontario CFO is in fact >administrating this piece of crap, they are doing so, at least in such a >manner that those of us in Ontario can still enjoy our sport, while we fight >the Federals in the meantime >If we don't continue to use our firearms we will lose them. We must continue >to shoot, compete, collect, hunt etc, moreso even now! >Fight the laws yes, but don't stop enjoying your sport. Maybe you thing that the CFO Ontario's office is your friend but if you hear some of the things that Baumann and company spout about Firearms owners or if you had some of the crap they've pulled on me pulled on you you wouldn't think they are so kind... For example; (some of these have changed but all these have happened to me) You get the BATF to issue your form 6 so that you can take your guns to compete in the US but the CFO Ontario will not issue the ATT to go to the border... (Not a one time nor a long term) had to cancel the trip.. How about having to register for events and make hotel plans and airline reservations without knowing that you can go to an event becuase the CFO's office refuses to issue ATT's until a week before they are needed... and then they loose the application and tell you that there is no way they can issue the ATT to allow you to go... even though you've been calling for 10 days prior to your departure... You want to compete in a match in Ottawa at a range that is not approved by the CFO's Office (specifically Connaught) the CFO's office refuses to issue an ATT.... You want to talk to Baumann about this good luck he keeps his voicemail full so nobody can leave him a message.... His remarks about people who whine about his policy "then they won't get another damn piece of paper out of this office" I've yet to be blacklisted but the lawyer is on standby for the day it happens.. Thanks Brian "Bear" Stephens info@reloadersbench.com http://ReloadersBench.com BDX Bullets, Starline Brass, Dillon Reloading Presses and so much more ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:08:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Moore's look at gun culture reveals Toronto's shocking open-door PUBLICATION: Montreal Gazette DATE: 2002.09.09 EDITION: Final SECTION: Arts & Life PAGE: B9 BYLINE: ANGELA PACIENZA SOURCE: CP DATELINE: TORONTO ILLUSTRATION: Photo: FROM GAZETTE FILES / Michael Moore's new film,Bowling for Columbine, takes its name from the whereabouts of the pair who went bowling just before killing 13 people, then themselves, at Columbine High School in 1999. !@IMAGES=1427197-331086.jpg; - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unlock and load: Moore's look at gun culture reveals Toronto's shocking open-door policy - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- When America's leading rabble-rouser, Michael Moore, was filming a documentary about gun culture in the United States, he had a hard time believing Canadians don't lock their doors. So one night last spring, armed with a camera crew, he set out to test the urban myth in downtown Toronto, only to find 70 per cent of the doors open. "I thought, 'I can not show this to an American public. They'll think you're all crazy up here that you don't lock your doors,' " he said at the Toronto International Film Festival. Moore's latest film, Bowling for Columbine, was shown to a North American audience for the first time on Saturday. Clad in his traditional uniform of saggy jeans and a baseball cap, the film-maker admitted that despite his fearless demeanour, he was apprehensive about testing the theory. "I was afraid. The concept of just opening up somebody's door. First of all it's illegal ... so I waited until the last minute," said the director of films including Roger and Me, The Big One and Canadian Bacon. "Those people had no notice I was coming. I randomly ran up and opened those doors and hoped that I wasn't going to get shot 'cuz I'm thinking in an American frame of mind." Bowling for Columbine, which won a Cannes jury prize in May, is a scathing look at gun culture in the United States. After an opening sequence which sees Moore open an account at a Michigan bank in order to receive the free gift of a gun, the film-maker crosses the United States and parts of Ontario in search of an answer for America's obsession with guns. He asks why Americans are more likely to kill one another with guns when 7 million registered weapons are inside Canada's 10 million homes. "That's a boatload of guns. You have to be willing to accept that you are different, culturally, socially, and ethically," he said after a reporter suggested Moore might have simplified gun statistics of the two countries. "Don't leave my movie as Canadians saying the reason is because you don't have Uzis and handguns ... even with a rifle and shotgun in the house when you get into an argument with a boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, neighbour, or a co-worker, for some reason, you don't reach for the gun and I think that's a legitimate question. "Why do you get to have all these guns lying around and you don't kill each other and we do? That's not right. You're no better than us." The title of the film, bankrolled by Halifax's Salter Street Productions, is a play on the whereabouts of the two young gunmen in Colorado's 1999 Columbine High School shooting - they went bowling before they opened fire at school, killing 13 people and themselves. On a deeper level, the film explores America's psyche. "Guns and Columbine are just my entry point into the much larger discussion that I wish would take place. I'm much more concerned about the fact that we've just gone nuts as opposed to whether we've got too many gun nuts in America," said the author of the best-seller Stupid White Men. Moore ventures outside of the Columbine tragedy, looking at the Oklahoma City bombing, U.S. government policy overseas, the shooting death of a 6-year-old girl by a 6-year-old boy in his home town of Flint, Mich., and the sensitive topic of Sept. 11. He also challenges Charlton Heston, the president of the National Rifle Association, about the high number of gun-related deaths in the U.S. After saying that America's gun problem might be due to its multicultural makeup, the star of The Ten Commandments walks away from Moore during an interview at his Beverly Hills mansion. "I was surprised when Charlton Heston made that comment," Moore said. "I didn't ask him about race even though race is a big part of the film. "To be honest when I heard him say it I felt bad for him. I felt he was having his Jimmy the Greek moment." Moore said he regrets not having challenged Heston's remarks. "I was too shocked," said Moore, who once purchased a lifetime membership to the NRA in the hopes of beating Heston at the organization's elections. And despite Heston's recent announcement that he has Alzheimer-like symptoms, Moore said he had no qualms about the clip in his film. "You can see in the film he's quite lucid. He's able to hold his own and says what he wants to say." But Moore said American audiences might have a difficult time viewing the film because the country's largest theatre chain told him they won't carry it. That's likely because the film will be "a bitter pill for some Americans to swallow," Moore said. - - Bowling for Columbine is scheduled to open in theatres on Oct. 11. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:11:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: 'Mom' attacked again: Convict takes aim, 'zip ' misfires PUBLICATION: Montreal Gazette DATE: 2002.09.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A1 / FRONT BYLINE: PAUL CHERRY and GEORGE KALOGERAKIS SOURCE: The Gazette; CP contributed to this report - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Mom' attacked again: Convict takes aim, 'zip ' misfires - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A second attack on Hells Angels leader Maurice (Mom) Boucher was made behind bars yesterday in what sources say is a plot to eliminate him. The attacker used a homemade "zip ," a rudimentary pencil-like weapon that can fire a projectile. The inmate pointed the weapon at Boucher through the bars of a door as the biker leader walked by about 11:30 a.m. but the misfired. Boucher, startled, fell onto his buttocks but quickly got up again, smiling and unscathed. It was the second time in less than a month that an inmate of the Special Handling Unit at Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines penitentiary - considered by corrections officials to be the country's only "super-maximum security" prison - had attacked Boucher, 49, who is serving two life sentences for the murder of two prison guards. Worst Criminals The Special Handling Unit is home to some of the most dangerous criminals in Canada, including Clifford Olson, the serial child-killer from British Columbia, and Allan Legere, the so-called Monster of the Miramichi, who is serving a life sentence for four murders in New Brunswick in 1989. A police source told The Gazette the inmate who tried to attack Boucher yesterday is suspected of being behind a similar attack Aug. 13, when an inmate tried to stab him in the common room, where inmates play cards, do their laundry and watch TV. The police source said the man who tried to shoot Boucher yesterday knows Gary Brent Huska, 36, who was stabbed 21 times when a small group of inmates in the common room rushed to Boucher's defence. Huska was visited in the hospital by Surete du Quebec investigators two weeks ago while he was recovering from his wounds. He was reported to be very unco-operative, and no charges have been filed yet in connection with the Aug. 13 incident. "Some people think (the Aug. 13 attack) was planned and that Huska tried to carry it out. Now they think the planner tried it himself," the police source said while noting that, like Huska, the man suspected of firing the zip is from western Canada. According to another source, some inmates at the special unit are targeting Boucher because they loathe sex offenders. The biker's criminal record includes a conviction for sexually assaulting a woman on Aug. 7, 1984, while he threatened her with a weapon. Boucher was sentenced, in a Joliette court, to 23 months for the assault. The inmates in the special unit have divided loyalties along language lines, a source says. Many of the English-speakers despise Boucher because of the sex assault in his past, but Boucher is being protected by French-speakers because of his stature in Quebec. If Huska did indeed attack Boucher, it would not be the first time he has tried to kill a convicted sex offender while behind bars. Huska was returned to the super-max penitentiary in April after he admitted to a Saskatchewan court that he assaulted a fellow inmate in the Saskatchewan Penitentiary. Huska was sentenced to six years in prison after confessing to aggravated assault. On April 1, 2001, Huska stabbed the inmate, Oliver Rundle, and said he did it because the man was a convicted sex offender. Huska later told police that the assault was "nothing personal. He's a skinhound - a rapist." Huska was transferred to Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines shortly after stabbing Rundle, who suffered 50 wounds. Huska's bloodstained clothes were seized as evidence. Huska is already serving a life sentence for killing his girlfriend in 1996. Normand Daoust, a spokesman for the Correctional Service of Canada, would confirm only that a 49-year-old inmate was the apparent target of a botched attack in the Special Handling Unit yesterday. "I cannot provide any details on the incident itself or the names of the inmates who were involved," Daoust said. "All I can say is that no one was injured in the incident." Daoust added that the Surete du Quebec and the Correctional Service of Canada will each investigate what happened. "(The SQ) will conduct their inquiry and we will conduct our inquiry and the only thing I can say more than that is that we always take any measures necessary to make sure that our staff and the inmates are secure." - - Paul Cherry's E-mail address is pcherry@thegazette.southam.ca - - George Kalogerakis can be reached at georgek@thegazete.southam.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:12:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Jasper residents given advice on how to deter bears from coming into PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2002.09.08 EDITION: Final SECTION: Alberta PAGE: A6 BYLINE: Ed Struzik, Journal Staff Writer SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal DATELINE: Edmonton ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: The Journal, File / Park officials had toclose down parts of a backcountry trail near Jasper a few weeks ago because of the presence of grizzly . - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Education keeps parks safe for people, animals - warden: Jasper residents given advice on how to deter from coming into townsite - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few weeks ago, a big black bear broke into Parks Canada's warden station in Jasper National Park, busting through two wire-reinforced windows before hitting a dead end in the chief park warden's office. Miraculously, the bear came out the same way it got in without causing much damage to the office or to itself. That same week, park officials were kept busy chasing out of area campgrounds, posting warning signs along several trails, and closing down parts of the Tonquin Valley trail in the backcountry because of the presence of grizzly . The Portal Creek area of the Tonquin remained closed this weekend. For Wes Bradford, the man in charge of keeping animals and people a safe distance from each other, it was a typical summer in one of the country's most popular parks. "I can't say that this was all that much different from other years," says Bradford. "But given the dry weather and the nature of the berry season, it could have been worse." With more than two million people visiting Jasper each year, Bradford and his team have an enviable record of making it a safe place for people, and other animals. It was more than 10 years ago when the last person was killed by a bear in the park, and he was only the second on record to suffer such a fate. The last injury occurred in 1999 when one of three local boys fishing in the park was attacked and only slightly injured by a black bear. "The chances of you getting killed in an airplane crash are greater than being mauled to death by a bear in a national park," says Bradford. "Bear attacks do happen, but they are rare." By Bradford's own estimation, there were "a pile of black " in the valley bottom three weeks ago because of the way drought affected the berry crops. One reason why there wasn't any serious trouble is because Parks Canada has become more vigilant than ever in chasing off before they get into trouble with people, and warning people in turn, of the dangers of getting too close to . In the first line of attack, rubber bullets and cracker shells are used to scare off as soon as they get too close to humans. It's a hazing strategy that has worked almost to perfection in a similar effort to keep elk away from people. Elk have been responsible for hundreds of injuries in the park over the years, but since Parks Canada shipped out those that have been making the townsite and Jasper Park Lodge their home base, serious confrontations have all but been eliminated. Any time an elk ventures too close to town these days, there's a warden on site chasing it away. For some time now, Parks Canada has been posting notices about when and where are being sighted. Now, they're also taking aim at educating local households and businesses about what they can do about deterring from coming into the townsite. In the coming days, for example, each household in Jasper will be getting a single page flier advising them of what to do to make sure that their homes are bear safe. Among other measures, residents are being asked to pick the fruit from their trees and lawns, clean up their barbecues, and secure their garbage. Businesses will also be given posters telling people what they can do to reduce the chances of an unwanted bear confrontation. Bradford has no illusions about whether he and his teams can make Jasper 100 per cent safe for people, and other wildlife. "I think what we're doing is working," says Bradford. " and elk are always going to be potentially dangerous. But the more we educate people about ways of reducing confrontations, and the more vigilant we are, the less likely we'll have an injury or be forced to put down a problem bear." estruzik@thejournal.southam.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:15:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Federal gun law violates our rights PUBLICATION: The Leader-Post (Regina) DATE: 2002.09.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: Letters PAGE: B8 BYLINE: Joe Gingrich SOURCE: The Leader-Post DATELINE: WHITE FOX ILLUSTRATION: Photo: Owning a gun is said to be a basic right. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Federal gun law violates our rights - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am hearing calls from some folks within the recreational firearms community that firearms owners should consider a compromise deal of accepting the licensing aspect of the Firearms Act in turn for the federal government relinquishing its demand for firearms registration. This is a no-win situation for the recreational firearms community and all Canadians for that matter. The right to property and privacy are freedoms guaranteed to us under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They are not negotiable! If any such "deals" are being contemplated by recreational firearms community leaders, please back off now. Both of these freedoms are infringed upon in the current licensing system. The right to own property is a basic premise upon which our freedoms are built. We have the right to buy, keep, use, or discard property in any manner we want. The Firearms Act denies us this right by requiring us to obtain permission from the Crown before being allowed to purchase a selected (by the Crown) type of property. This act has already banned 553,000 registered handguns without any evidence that these legally owned firearms were a risk to anyone's safety. Again, these firearms are destined for confiscation without any compensation. If a legal precedent is allowed to be set here, then why can't it be expanded to include farmland, as in Zimbabwe, or other property such as books, jewelry or gold (money) as in Hitler's Germany? Where will it end if we don't stop it now? If not now, when? If not by us, whom? Not only do we have the right to property, we have the right to keep and bear arms just as do our American cousins. We derive this right from the same legal sources the Americans use. The Magna Carta of 1215, the English Bill of Rights of 1689, the writings of Sir William Blackstone in his Commentaries on English Law of 1765 were legal sources for development of the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (the right to keep and bear arms). This right is carried through for our use in the British North America Act of 1867, the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and Freedoms of 1948, the Canadian Bill of Rights of 1960, and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms of 1982. This right to keep and bear arms has never been repealed and therefore is carried through for our legal use -- unless we bargain it away. The passing of an illegal law never makes a legal right disappear. The right to privacy is infringed upon in the licensing aspect of what I call the Chretien gun law as well. How can we live with that? In order to gain permission from the federal government to purchase or possess firearms, we must answer intrusive personal questions about our relationships, job, finances, and health. We must obtain signatures of two "professional" people who have known us for three years and are willing to vouch for our good character. Again, if a legal precedent is established here, then why can't the government require this type of information for workplace information, driver's licenses, airline tickets, bus tickets, baseball games, automobile purchases, etc? Don't let it happen! Privacy commissioner George Radwanski says the gun registry ranges from a "significant intrusion on privacy" to "highly intrusive" on pages four and five of his report. He said, "I found 24 rather startling revelations about how the justice minister is mishandling the firearms file." I say we don't negotiate our rights with tyrants or anyone else. Our rights may now be in jeopardy, but they are not lost. Rights can be resurrected with legal challenges. They play the trump card with all laws even those of tyrants. If we unwisely bargain our freedoms away, however, this may set a legal precedent from which we may never recover our lost liberties. The 1995 Canadian Firearms Act is an illegal law. It needs to be repealed. Joe Gingrich White Fox ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #34 ********************************* Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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