From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #40 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, September 11 2002 Volume 05 : Number 040 In this issue: Re: AHEIA Don Kates: Gun control - riding the dead horse Four people face charges in armed invasion of apartment in Dartmouth HAVE YOU SEEN 'EM? City shooter places second at rifle meet Letter: Cross-border shopping ARMED TRIO HITS HOME West Nile reported in 111 bird species More on WN Virus CFC Statistics last updated on: September 7, 2002 CRIMES SOLVED WITH 67-YEAR-OLD HANDGUN REGISTRY CFC - Special Bulletin for Police No. 51 PROVINCIAL HUNTING LICENCE SALES CFC ADVERTISING COSTS 1995-2002 = $29,301,386 RE: Ontario CFO RE: Bumper Stickers : AHEIA Re: this crap better stop... Re: Bumper Stickers : Re: Ontario CFO Re: AHEIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:30:53 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: Re: AHEIA Bruce Mills said: > For those of us not in the know, what is the AHEIA? Alberta Hunter Education Instructor's Association http://www.aheia.com/courses.html > This should be a warning to *any* gun group that gets into bed with the > Feds - once you do, they *own* your ass. I'm not familiar with what exactly went down when the AHEIA took over the delivery of the CFSC/CRFSC. I imagine that not everybody was happy with that, and I can't say whether or not it was fair. However, I like what I see. For starters, unlike the BC Wildlife Federation, it appears the AHEIA provides all their courses to people for free, although people are invited to donate money if they feel it was worth it. The BCWF, first thing, RAISED the price of the CORE program that new hunters needed to take for their first license - and made the manual a lot cheaper. Quite a difference, and as an instructor who always taught the CFSC/CRFSC and the CORE program for free, donations accepted, I like their style on that point. Next, the AHEIA is NOT a gun group and NOT involved in dealing with the Firearms Act one way or another. The members of the AHEIA, at least the ones that I know, also fight the Firearms Act - but they do that with their memberships in other organizations that exist for that purpose. The AHEIA is strictly about courses concerning fishing, outdoor education, and courses people require to be allowed to hunt or own firearms. The difference is, the BCWF IS involved in firearms advocacy and fighting unjust legislation as part of their mandate. So when they get in bed with the feds to provide the CFSC/CRFSC, they're both working at cross purposes to part of their mandate, and they're at risk of the government using the money they'll be hauling in to coerce them to keep silent. As far as I know, who is going to get the contract to deliver the firearms courses is still unknown. But if the BCWF wins it, it will be interesting to see what happens then to their opposition to the Firearms Act. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:33:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Don Kates: Gun control - riding the dead horse - -----Original Message----- From: Gary Mauser [mailto:mauser@sfu.ca] Sent: September 11, 2002 9:05 AM Cc: Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1 Subject: FW: gun control - riding the dead horse If you have any question as to the strategy analogies set out herein, please refer to either or both: Prof. Joyce Malcolm's history of English gun control, GUNS AND VIOLENCE: THE ENGLISH EXPERIENCE (Harvard, 2002) and James Jacobs, CAN GUN CONTROL WORK? (Oxford, 2002 - forthcoming) The tribal wisdom of the Lakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation holds that "When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount." Gun control advocates, particularly including officials involved in administering and enforcing gun controls, have developed a whole range of more advanced strategies. These include: ** Buying a stronger whip. ** Changing Riders. ** Threatening the horse with termination. ** Appointing a committee to study the horse. ** Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses. ** Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included. ** Reclassifying the dead horse as "living impaired." ** Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse. ** Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed. ** Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance. ** Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance. ** Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses. ** Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses. ** Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position. Don Kates is a civil liberties lawyer in Washington state DBKates@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:33:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Four people face charges in armed invasion of apartment in Dartmouth PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2002.09.11 SECTION: Metro PAGE: A6 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Four people face charges in armed invasion of apartment in Dartmouth - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Four people face a number of charges after one of them allegedly pointed a in a Dartmouth home invasion Monday night. Two men, a boy and a girl entered an apartment on Portland Street at 9:11 p.m. and demanded cash from a 30-year-old man, Halifax Regional Police said. The apartment's only occupant was unhurt. Police would not discuss details of the threats against him. The attackers fled down Portland Street, where officers arrested them less than 15 minutes later. One of the men had a in a duffel bag. "It's not a random act. They're known to each other," said police spokesman Sgt. Don Spicer. "This residence was the intended target." The four, ranging in age from 17 to 23, were to appear in Dartmouth provincial court Tuesday afternoon to face weapons and attempted robbery charges. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:34:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: HAVE YOU SEEN 'EM? PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2002.09.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 21 ILLUSTRATION: 1. photo of TYRONE PARRANTO Has tattoos 2. photo of VINCENT JACKSON Bunny on arm - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAVE YOU SEEN 'EM? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- City cops are on the lookout for two men wanted on Canada-wide warrants. Tyrone Parranto, 29, and Vincent Jackson, 42, are believed to be together in the Edmonton area. Parranto was on statutory release on April 19 after serving time for several offences, including possession of a prohibited with ammunition. A warrant was issued May 27 suspending his release, cops said. Parranto is five-foot-11, 172 pounds and has tattoos, including a skull and dolphin on his left forearm and a spider on his neck. Jackson was on statutory release on June 7 but breached his parole conditions on July 2, cops allege. He was serving a sentence for several offences, including break-ins. Jackson is five-foot-10 and 190 pounds. He has a tattoo of a unicorn on his chest and a Playboy bunny on his arm. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:35:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: City shooter places second at rifle meet PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2002.09.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: Sports PAGE: B2 COLUMN: Sports in Brief SOURCE: The StarPhoenix - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- City shooter places second at rifle meet - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saskatoon rifleman Stan Frost led the way for Saskatchewan with a couple of second place finishes at the 41st Prairie Provinces Rifle Association (PPRA) championship at the North Star Range near Nokomis last weekend. Frost finished second in the master class of both the Alberta and Saskatchewan Aggregate categories at the competition. Only 0.01 points seperated first and second place in these brackets. Frost competed with Saskatchewan shooters Marvin Michel, Chuck Lochel and Doug Potter to place second in the Huntley-Baker team category. Saskatchewan also placed second in the PPRA team championship. In this competition, Frost was joined by Marvin Michel, Jim Dugan, Peter Jmaeff and Gord Hulbert. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:36:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Cross-border shopping PUBLICATION GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: WED SEP.11,2002 PAGE: A12 BYLINE: SEAN NIKOLAI SMITH CLASS: Letter to the Edit EDITION: Metro DATELINE: Edmonton AB WORDS: 105 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cross-border shopping - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency is "obviously concerned about drugs coming into the U.S." if Canada legalizes marijuana. (Agency Warns Of U.S. Influx If Pot Legalized -- Sept. 9). That's understandable. If contraband on one side of the border were considered legal on the other side, it would certainly cause problems. We Canadians know that. After all, most illegal handguns in Canada enter through the United States. I propose a deal: We'll go along with their war on drugs if they follow our -control regime. Otherwise, let's all just mind our own business, shall we? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:37:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: ARMED TRIO HITS HOME PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2002.09.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 25 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ARMED TRIO HITS HOME - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Three armed bandits burst into a North York home early yesterday, beating a 58-year-old woman and shackling her and her husband, police say. The men wearing balaclavas forced their way inside the home near Keele St. and Hwy. 401 around 4 a.m. Armed with a knife and a handgun, the intruders used handcuffs on the man, 61, and his wife, Toronto Police said. The woman was then struck over the head with the . The three fled empty-handed when the home's alarm was activated. The couple were treated in hospital and later released. Meanwhile, York Region cops continue to hunt for three teenage suspects wanted in another home invasion last Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:39:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: West Nile reported in 111 bird species Game bird hunters might be in contact with the West Nile virus this fall. One list of species affected includes: Wood duck Canada goose Ruffed grouse Ring-necked pheasant The list is available from the CDC at: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/birdspecies.htm Richard A. Fritze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:40:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: More on WN Virus Further info from the CDC web site: There is no evidence that a person can get WN virus from handling live or dead infected birds. Persons should avoid bare-handed contact when handling any dead animals, and use gloves or double plastic bags to place the bird carcass in a garbage bag or contact their local health department for guidance. Dogs and Cats West Nile virus does not appear to cause extensive illness in dogs or cats. There is a single published report of WN virus isolated from a dog in southern Africa (Botswana) in 1982. West Nile virus was isolated from a single dead cat in 1999. A serosurvey in New York City of dogs in the 1999 epidemic area indicated that dogs are frequently infected. Nonetheless, disease from WN virus infection in dogs has yet to be documented. There is no documented evidence of person-to-person or animal-to-person transmission of WN virus. Because WN virus is transmitted by infectious mosquitoes, dogs or cats could be exposed to the virus in the same way humans become infected. Veterinarians should take normal infection control precautions when caring for an animal suspected to have this or any viral infection. It is possible that dogs and cats could become infected by eating dead infected animals such as birds, but this is undocumented. There is no reason to destroy an animal just because it has been infected with WN virus. Full recovery from the infection is likely. Treatment would be supportive and consistent with standard veterinary practices for animals infected with a viral agent. Horses Cases of WN virus disease in horses have been documented, either by virus isolation or by detection of WN virus-neutralizing antibodies in 1999, 2000, and 2001. Approximately 40% of equine WN virus cases results in the death of the horse. Horses most likely become infected with WN virus in the same way humans become infected, by the bite of infectious mosquitoes. In locations where WN virus is circulating, horses should be protected from mosquito bites as much as possible. Horses vaccinated against eastern equine encephalitis (EEE), western equine encephalitis (WEE), and Venezuelan equine encephalitis (VEE) are NOT protected against WN virus infection. A West Nile virus vaccine for horses was recently licensed, but its effectiveness is unknown. Horses infected by WN virus develop a brief low-level viremia that is rarely, if ever, infectious to mosquitoes. There is no reason to destroy a horse just because it has been infected with WN virus. Data suggest that most horses recover from the infection. Treatment would be supportive and consistent with standard veterinary practices for animals infected with a viral agent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:47:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC Statistics last updated on: September 7, 2002 http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/general_public/program_statistics/default.asp Canadian Firearms Program Statistics Licences 1,299,684 Possession Only Licences (POLs) issued under the current legislation are valid. Note: all holders of a POL must have at least one firearm registered to them by 31 December 2002. 486,237 Possession and Acquisition Licences (PALs) issued under the current legislation are valid. 5,648 Minor's Licences (MLs) issued under current legislation are valid. Note: 82,937 Firearms Acquisition Certificates (FACs) under the previous legislation that are still valid. Registration 1,158,579 firearm owners have at least one registration certificate in CFRS. 4,364,218 unique firearms have been registered in CFRS. Statistics last updated on: September 7, 2002 These statistics are provided by the Licensing and Registration Directorate of the Canadian Firearms Centre. Some statistics are tabulated weekly and some are tabulated monthly. Additional statistics may be added as the program develops. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:47:49 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CRIMES SOLVED WITH 67-YEAR-OLD HANDGUN REGISTRY NUMBER OF CRIMES SOLVED WITH 67-YEAR-OLD HANDGUN REGISTRY - UNKNOWN Documented as of: May 8, 1996 Click Here for more information: http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/handgunregistry.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:48:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC - Special Bulletin for Police No. 51 Frequently Asked Questions about the Public Agents Firearms Regulations http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca/en/owners_users/bulletins/special/police/bulletin51.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 08:27:15 -0400 From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: PROVINCIAL HUNTING LICENCE SALES http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/provincialhuntinglicencesales.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:49:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CFC ADVERTISING COSTS 1995-2002 = $29,301,386 http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/adcosts.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:50:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Bear.23 Rogers" Subject: RE: Ontario CFO OK, but try to get an ATT to go to un unapproved range (IE connaught) or to the border... Try changing your travel plans after you have an ATT... Gee try and talk to someone (250 callers in the queue and only 10 operators working).... They don't have these problems out west becuase they don't try to interpret what the FA says... They don't try to change how the US does things either.... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca [mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca]On Behalf Of Glock22 .40 S & W Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 2:28 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: Ontario CFO Funny, how one jumps to conclusions. I'm not a slave nor do I shuffle along, with my head down. Just the opposite. We are all fighting this legislation. My point is be thankful for the little things but don't be complacent and stop fighting. Have you shot lately Bruce or hunted? Or are you so politically wrapped up that your outside activities are limited. Don't you think that if the Federal Gov't can get you to stop shooting, then they can justify the total ban. Simply put, If nobody shoots/hunts anymore, there is no "need" for guns so why have them. Keep shooting, keep hunting, keep the sport alive, while you fight the legislation. Be thankful for the little things, and don't bite off your nose to spite your face. I've read on this digest how other CFO's have treated shooters and hunters. Things like restrictive ATT's, etc. In Ontario our ATT's are good for any/all restricted/prohibited handguns registered to the residence, which means I can transport not only my guns but my wife's, or son's etc. In addition, I can take them to any approved range in Ontario. No distance limits. Its my understanding that the FED's are paying the Bill for the Ontario CFO to run this thing for them, but the Ontario CFO is running it so as to not kill the sport. They have bent rules to so we can keep shooting, while out WEST it seems there is nothing but aggravation. Fight the FED's, and keep shooting. We can walk and chew gum too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:49:58 -0600 (CST) From: "Ed Sieb" Subject: RE: Bumper Stickers : "Liberals - Thay have what it takes... ...to take what you have!" http://www.freedominion.ca/liberal.jpg http://www.freedominion.ca/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:54:03 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Ryan Subject: AHEIA Try www.aheia.com Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:54:45 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Ryan Subject: Re: this crap better stop... Rick, Can you tell us, on what news groups Mr. Hinder is posting his pearls of wisdom? Perhaps there is a need for him to be properly introduced. If he won't answer questions about Court ordered accountings and elections in this or the NFA forum, perhaps he will answer them in his new environment. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:57:52 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Bumper Stickers : Ed Sieb wrote: > > "Liberals - > Thay have what it takes... > ...to take what you have!" > > http://www.freedominion.ca/liberal.jpg > http://www.freedominion.ca/ http://www.hwcn.org/~aj233/flag5.gif ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:17:09 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Ontario CFO "Glock22 .40 S & W" wrote: > > Funny, how one jumps to conclusions. I'm not a slave nor do I shuffle along, > with my head down. Just the opposite. We are all fighting this legislation. > My point is be thankful for the little things but don't be complacent and > stop fighting. > > Have you shot lately Bruce or hunted? Or are you so politically wrapped up > that your outside activities are limited. Don't you think that if the > Federal Gov't can get you to stop shooting, then they can justify the total > ban. Simply put, If nobody shoots/hunts anymore, there is no "need" for guns > so why have them. It sure seems like there aren't enough people doing the former, and too many just doing the latter. > Keep shooting, keep hunting, keep the sport alive, while you fight the > legislation. Be thankful for the little things, and don't bite off your nose > to spite your face. > > I've read on this digest how other CFO's have treated shooters and hunters. > Things like restrictive ATT's, etc. > > In Ontario our ATT's are good for any/all restricted/prohibited handguns > registered to the residence, which means I can transport not only my guns > but my wife's, or son's etc. In addition, I can take them to any approved > range in Ontario. No distance limits. So, we should be thankful that the Ontario CPFO if following the law, even if that law is bad? Even if forcing the Feds to take it over would shake the majority of gunowners in the most important province in the fight against this dispicable law out of their complacency? Just more status quo, don't rock the boat, as long as I can shoot thinking. > Its my understanding that the FED's are paying the Bill for the Ontario CFO > to run this thing for them, but the Ontario CFO is running it so as to not > kill the sport. They have bent rules to so we can keep shooting, while out > WEST it seems there is nothing but aggravation. I don't believe you are correct on this. I am sure that Lee can provide us with the actual figures, but I'm fairly certain that the Ontario Government is shovelling on the order of $10 million per year into the CFPO office. "Killing the sport" would be the *best* goddamned thing to happen in Ontario. Then maybe some of those freeloaders would get off their asses and do something, instead of letting the Lieberals get elected time after time. > Fight the FED's, and keep shooting. We can walk and chew gum too. More. We need more bodies on the ground doing *BOTH*. MORE, goddammit, MORE! "When young men seek to be like you, when lazy men resent you, when powerful men look over their shoulder at you, when cowardly men plot behind your back, when corrupt men wish you were gone and evil men want you dead . . . Only then will you have done your share." - Phil Messina Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:30:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: AHEIA On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Rick Lowe wrote: > it appears the AHEIA provides all their courses to people for free, > although people are invited to donate money if they feel it was > worth it. This past spring I took the Canadian Firearms Safety Course from the AHEIA to upgrade my POL to a PAL. Actually they solicit donations at the start of the course. Most people give them $15 or $20 to cover the cost of the course materials they hand out in the first class. If you donate $30 or more, you also get a AHEIA ballcap and an income tax receipt. > Next, the AHEIA is NOT a gun group and NOT involved in dealing with > the Firearms Act one way or another. They are a non-profit educational organization who simply want to see hunting and fishing continue in Alberta. As for the Firearms Act, the instructors were aware of how controversial it was. However most of them felt that, like it or not, it is the law of the land and if we want to keep our firearms we should comply. > The members of the AHEIA, at least the ones that I know, also fight > the Firearms Act - but they do that with their memberships in other > organizations that exist for that purpose. I didn't get that impression from any of my instructors (we had a different volunteer instructor for each class). None of them mentioned belonging to other organizations or fighting it. If anything they tended side too much with the feds. They even recommended that after receiving the PAL we should register before the deadline to avoid the rush. One AHEIA instructor also admitted that he was a *verifier* as well. He said he did it because he wanted to help "gun owners to keep their firearms" and it was an "interesting way to meet people". Basically I got the impression they were a bunch of nice folks who trusted the federal government way too much. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #40 ********************************* Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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