From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #88 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, September 27 2002 Volume 05 : Number 088 In this issue: Re: Privatizing Jan 9th For handy reference Chapters/Indigo.......Is there truth to the rumour...? Re: Guns in CARS The punch line is NOT about smoking re: Airlines ask Ottawa to pay marshals' way Re: Chapters not selling firearms magazines Round up the usual suspects Re: Airlines ask Ottawa to pay marshals' way retinal scanning The Unholy Trinity Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #86 War chest Re: Mi'kmaq hunter loses court battle The Hunting Trip TorStar: Judge gives teen bully taste of own medicine FW: The other side of tax cuts... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:21:30 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Privatizing Jan 9th > > > So, say you don't submit your application until Dec 31, 2002, and > > > they don't get around to processing it until Jan 15th, 2003, and it > > > takes a few days to get to you by mail. > > > They don't have to start breaking in doors on Jan 1st. They can > > > take as much time as they like - they've already got you by the > > > short and curlies. > > If they ever did resort to a weak technicality like that to take away > > someone's guns, it would get thrown out of court. Especially when they > > had evidence they complied before Jan 1, 2003. > > Want to take that chance? > > > They have us all by the short and curlies. Gentlemen, Gentlemen !! (Not meaning to appear chauvinistic, but as far as I know, no women have joined this thread), Listen to yourselves. This is the talk of fearful men. “They” don’t “have us” by anything. “They” will never have us unless we submit to them. Last time I checked this was still our country, a free country. There is not an armed guard outside my door forcing me to do anything. Have you given up ?? Have you surrendered ?? Are you really considering registering your firearms ?? I can’t believe that anyone who subscribes to this Digest would even consider for a moment registering a firearm. What would it accomplish ?? If you are going to do something, at least have a good reason for doing it. We are not hormone-driven teenagers any longer. Take responsibility for your actions. But for the sake of argument, let’s say you bend over the barrel and register everything you own. Is your continued ownership of your firearms more assured ?? Are you any less fearful ?? Did you gain confidence that your firearms are now “safe” from being confiscated ?? Do you trust this government to never change the “classification” of your firearm as they did with small caliber handguns and short barrel pistols ?? An M-1 US Army carbine is classified “Restricted” because it has an 18 inch barrel. A Russian SKS, same caliber, same magazine size, better rate of fire, is classified “Non-restricted” because it has a 19 inch barrel. How long before the bureaucrats in Ottawa figure out that the SKS looks much more like an “Assault Rifle” than the M-1 carbine and pass an "Order-in-Council” decree that the SKS has been reclassified Restricted ?? No warning, no debate; “done deal”. Everyone with an SKS now has a worthless “wall hanger”. And as goes the SKS so will follow semi-automatics rifles. “You don’t need a semi-automatic rifle to shoot deer.” Do you ?? Are not bolt action rifles demonstratively easy to prove to be much more accurate than semi-autos ?? “You certainly don’t need to shoot at a running deer with rapid fire.” “No one needs a semi-automatic rifle unless they want to kill someone.” If the Coalition for Gun Control and PETA can get a ban on semi-automatic rifles, how much longer before they ban semi-automatic shotguns ?? “Who needs to shoot a duck three times ?? If you are going to be a good sportsman, give the poor bird a chance.” Everybody on this Digest knows that the Firearms Act is NOT about safety. If the Firearms Act “were” about safety everyone of us would be working in support of it. Compliance with this law is appeasement, pure and simple. And everybody on this Digest knows that appeasement never works. So can anyone here explain to my simple brain why you continue to talk about registering your firearms ?? If registration is appeasement, and registration leads inevitable to confiscation, why work so hard at trying to decide what you need to do ?? I don’t mean to insult anyone, but this is the classic time to employ the KISS Principle - - Keep It Simple, Stupid. Never register. Nothing. Not handguns, not rifles, not shotguns. It is time to slay the Dragon. The Dragon is FEAR - your fear. Everyone who has posted to this thread is male, so I can properly say, “Be a man”. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:26:52 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: For handy reference Thought I'd pass this along before it gets lost. It stems from suggestions I'd provided for a request for legal assistance. It is largely Ontario based. a) Ed Burlew at 1-888-GUN-LOSS; he is based in Thornhill but does travel somewhat throughout Ontario. He has published a book that firearm owners would find highly useful; it is titled Canadian Shooters Rights. Can't imagine any firearm owner without a copy. Contact: 16 John St., Thornhill (905)882-2422 or 1-888-GUN-LOSS b) Calvin Martin of Toronto. A long-time firearm owner, activist and highly regarded lawyer, with substantial trial experience, from Toronto. He has information about firearm laws and useful court precedents on his web site. See: Calvin Martin, QC, 600 Church Street, Toronto, Ontario, M4Y 2E7 Tel 416 922-5854 Fax 416 944-0285 Cell 416 702-5855 Email dvc14@calvinmartinqc.com http://www.calvinmartinqc.com/ c) Adam Boni is Toronto based and researched the Kenneth Hurrell appeal which was argued at the Court of Appeal for Ontario by William Trudell. He was a Crown Prosecutor before establishing his private practice. This experience provides the opportunity to learn the 'tricks of the trade' from the 'other' side. One of his former clients speaks highly of his work. I imagine that his thorough and creative work on the Hurrell search and seizure appeal victory will get him some recognition. Contact: 370 Bloor St., Toronto (416)927-9000 d) William Trudell is an older legal warrior who works with Brian Greenspan's firm. He is a highly experienced and regarded litigator and has extensive senior court experience. Trudell is with the firm of Greenspan Humphrey Lavine in Toronto and is at: http://www.15bedford.com/ Phone (416)598-2019. e) In the immediate s/w Ontario area, one of the most experienced criminal litigators is Bill Johnson . . . He is also well known for his special Crown Prosecutor's work on federal charges . . . and also defends for the federal and provincial governments . . . you could find him in the opposite corner. I would not want him on the 'other' side. Contact: 651 Talbot St., St. Thomas (519)631-3200 f) A extensive amount of legal information including trial transcripts is available via a s/w Ontario firearm and political activist at: http://www.tamerlane.ca g) Copies of the Firearms Act(FA) and the FA Regulations are available at http://www.cfc-ccaf.gc.ca - - - - - Other than Ed Burlew and Edmontonian Richard Fritze (who certainly travelled widely - from Whitehorse to Ottawa on the Carlos case), I am unaware of attorneys who advertise that they have some practice concentration on firearm matters. If you have knowledge of other competent 'firearm' litigators please share. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:31:10 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Tait Subject: Chapters/Indigo.......Is there truth to the rumour...? In order to find out the truth of the Chapters/Indigo issue which has recently been raised here, I have, this date, sent the following request form confirmation to the Chapters/Indigo Headquarters, via their website.. I will of course post the response in due course, let us continue to hope the information we earlier received was in error....... Ed Tait Victoria Dear Sir or Madame: My Family's Chapters membership Number is XXXXXXXX My family has valued our relationship with this company, (with the Chapters company at least) for some years. My company was in fact, the Developer of the Chapters Super Store on Douglas Street in Victoria, B.C. several years ago. However, I have been advised of a new corporate policy that very much concerns me, one which, if true will cause my family and I to immediately cancel our membership and cease all further purchases at Chapters/Indigo and related stores, without further notice. I request you advise me immediately, whether or not it is true that the corporation has determined that it be corporate policy that no firearms magazines nor books will be carried by its stores. Such a 'rumour' or at least what I hope is a rumour, is currently circulating among the Firearms community and I would very much like to put this matter, which is already causing your firm's stores to lose business, either to rest as being untrue, or to confirm it, as being in fact true, immediately to the Canadian Firearms community. I look forward with interest to your response by return. Edwin B. Tait Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:33:01 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Guns in CARS Thanks Bruce- for clearing that up , but the question remains it is the onus of the arresting officers to "prove" the occupant had prior knowledge that the firearm was "in" the vehicle. Somthing that is hard to prove unless the occupants fingerprints are all over the gun- or he gets nailed by other witnesses that testify otherwise against him, thus discrediting his story, or confesses. 94. (1) Subject to subsections (3) to (5) and section 98, every person commits an offence who is an occupant of a motor vehicle in which the person "knows"........ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:35:48 -0600 (CST) From: Lee Jasper Subject: The punch line is NOT about smoking If we ban smoking, is police state next? [Note 3rd para.] The city of London is contemplating a complete ban on smoking, but before this happens, everyone should stop and think for a second. I am of the impression our parents and grandparents fought wars to guarantee our freedom. Our country has established a charter of rights and freedoms; are we free or not? I am a non-smoker and do not like being exposed to second-hand smoke, but I feel if we travel down the road of a complete prohibition, what will be next? Someone should tell our politicians free enterprise works. As a consumer, I will not go to a restaurant or place where I am captive and sit with smokers, but I will not deny them the right to smoke. Smokers will support some businesses and non-smokers will support others, the rest will go out of business. The federal government has started down the road to complete prohibition of firearms through its billion-dollar gun registration laws. If the municipality now prohibits smoking, this all brings us closer to a police state. Maybe George Orwell's 1984 should be Canada 2084. Bob Maginnis Senior Constable [Retired] Maginnis was an apt student of Peel. He was an old fashioned cops, cop. No desk jockey was this chap. He was a leading proponent of community policing, set up numerous programs and, ran training courses and conferences . . . He was a Firearms Officer for many years . . and was the CO of the local OPP marine unit for many years. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:37:18 -0600 (CST) From: "DJ MacIntyre" Subject: re: Airlines ask Ottawa to pay marshals' way >Subject: Airlines ask Ottawa to pay marshals' way >http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20020926/UAIRRN/Headlines/headdex/headdexNational_temp/7/7/33/ Well that just takes the cake. Where's my PalmPilot? Gotta delete the AirCanada reservation number entry, and put in one from Hertz. Just what the hell are they whining about? Just who the hell are they trying to extort pity from? Ridership plummeted after 9-11. Fact. Sky marshalls make passengers feel safer. Fact. A nervous passenger would perfer to stay home or find alternative transport. Fact. So, if I remember my Euclidian logic, you have happy passenger iff (if and only if) you have sky marshall. Or, as computer Basic would say, *If* you have no sky marshall, *then* you have worried passenger, *else* empty seat, and ViaRail or Hertz has happy customer. "Oh, Marshall Dillon, please save our bar! It's being overrun by outlaws and it's scaring poor Festus and Doc sumpin' fierce" "Why, sure, Miss Kitty, I surely will." "Oh, Matt, put a dollar in the jar by the door, won't you? You're eating some of the pickled eggs we made to welcome the customers back..." DJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:39:38 -0600 (CST) From: Boris Gimbarzevsky Subject: Re: Chapters not selling firearms magazines I started boycotting chapters when the management of chapters announced that it would no longer be selling Mein Kampf. Shortly after this announcement was made, I walked into the local chapters in downtown Vancouver, and had no difficulty in finding Das Kapital, or works by chairman Mao. I can't understand why one deranged dictator would be singled out for censure when he never even came close to Stalin's body count. My yearly expenditure on books and magazines is in the $2000-3000 range and NONE of that amount is now being spent at chapters. I used to buy computer books at chapters in Vancouver as they did have a good selection, but didn't buy magazines since my criterion for buying magazines at a store is to only do so if they stock Soldier of Fortune. Now most of my magazine buying is comfined to a small store at the corner of Robson and Denman that not only carries Soldier of Fortune, but a wide selection of gun magazines as well as multiple Linux magazines and 2600 magazine; what more could one desire? Boris Gimbarzevsky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:40:53 -0600 (CST) From: "D.D. RUSNELL" Subject: Round up the usual suspects >> It will be similar to how they handled the licensing deadline. >> >> It took them months to issue the temporary paper cards and several more >> for the plastic ones. >> >> If you had proof that you attempted to comply (e.g., had a photocopy >> of the application and postmark), the cops said it was enough. >Wasn't there a generally accepted "amnesty" or grace period promised by the >Minister of Just Us? > >This does not seem to be the case with registration. The wogs at the CFC, >from >the fone answerers to Austin are saying "certificate in hand". Also, have you noticed.........no TV and Radio commercials this time, to remind us simple red necks that the dead line approaches......... Wonder if it is lack of $ $ $ $ or if there is a more sinister motive ? ? ? Let the round up and confiscations begin ? ? ? ? ? ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:41:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Keith P. de Solla" Subject: Re: Airlines ask Ottawa to pay marshals' way On Thursday 26 September 2002 04:30 pm, you wrote: > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20020926/UA >IRRN/Headlines/headdex/headdexNational_temp/7/7/33/ > > Airlines ask Ottawa to pay marshals' way > > Free tickets for RCMP officers may cause an increase in fares, lobby group > says > > By JANE TABER > > Thursday, September 26, 2002 – Print Edition, Page A9 > > OTTAWA -- Canadian airlines want to be reimbursed by the government for > seats provided to RCMP sky marshals, arguing that the free rides given to > the armed officers may force an increase in fares. gee, if the pilots were armed instead, no free rides would be necessary since the pilots already have their own seats. :-) - -- Keith P. de Solla kdesolla@austin.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:42:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Glock22 .40 S & W" Subject: retinal scanning so how long before someone creates a contact lense with the markings of someone elses iris and uses it to get through security. can the system detect whether the contact lense is marked/etched opague or clear? >Rycom says contact lenses and glasses do not obscure the system's ability >to perform, nor do coloured contacts. The company says that no other >biometric solutions such as fingerprinting, retinal scanning and voice >recognition can offer the unparalleled levels of accuracy found with iris >recognition technology. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:43:38 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: The Unholy Trinity Jim Powlesland said: > It is amazing to see how quickly the RFC falls into coordinated action > once "NFA Legal" and his puppet are out of the way. Was the puppet's name Pinnoccio? And was that invisible man you forgot to mention Wally Butts? Also, I've heard them refered to as the Unholy Trinity: The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost... ... well, it made me laugh. And I don't see much to laugh about in all of this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:44:16 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #86 I'd contribute to a War Chest fund, but the exact amount remains to be seen. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:45:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Mac McBride" Subject: War chest War chest involving Dorans Okay, as described, count me in. Is there any way I can recover the money I sent to the NFA Defense Fund? (hopeful joke). Mac ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:46:06 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Mi'kmaq hunter loses court battle On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Bruce Mills wrote: > Mr. Bernard was stopped by conservation officers who saw him shining > a floodlight from his truck into a farmer's field in November, 1997. > The officers found a .22-calibre rifle and ammunition in the truck. Jacklighting deer with a .22 on private property. Nice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:47:11 -0600 (CST) From: The Jordans Subject: The Hunting Trip The Hunting Trip A father and son went hunting together for the first time. The father said, "Stay here and be very QUIET. I'll be across the field." A few minutes later, the father heard a blood-curdling scream and ran back to his son. "What's wrong?" the father asked. "I told you to be quiet." The son answered, "Look, I was quiet when the snake slithered across my feet. I was quiet when the bear breathed down my neck. But when the two chipmunks crawled up my pant legs and said, 'Should we eat them here or take them with us?................ I guess I just panicked." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:49:08 -0600 (CST) From: The Jordans Subject: TorStar: Judge gives teen bully taste of own medicine Now this is 'creative and sensible sentencing'. Good for the Judge! Linda = = = = = = = = = = = Judge gives teen bully taste of own medicine Sep. 27, 2002. 01:00 AM BRANDON, Man. (CP) — A teenager who bullied another into giving up his skateboard, jacket and ball cap got unexpectedly muscled himself when he got to court. "I want that jacket of yours," Judge Krystyna Tarwid coolly insisted as the 15-year-old sat in the provincial court witness box on Wednesday. "Take it off and give it to the clerk." "Why?" asked the puzzled teen. "Because I'm telling you to and I can," Tarwid said. "It's called reverse psychology. I'm doing to you what you did to that individual. Now hand it over." The boy tried to explain that he really needed to keep his windbreaker with the Aboriginal Games logo, but Tarwid wasn't buying. With some encouragement from an imposing sheriff's officer, the boy relented and gave it up. Tarwid ordered him to complete a 500-word essay entitled "Why I Should Work for the Things I Want." If he completes the essay within two weeks, he will get his jacket back. Court heard the teenager was one of three who forced another to give up his jacket, skateboard and ball cap while walking along Cornwallis Bay on Sept. 14. Tarwid granted the youth a two-year conditional discharge and ordered him to complete 100 hours of community service work, including 25 hours for breaking a court-ordered curfew. http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1026145719255&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News&pubid=968163964505&StarSource=email ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:52:01 -0600 (CST) From: "Linda Toews" Subject: FW: The other side of tax cuts... The Other Side of Tax Cuts... Lakeshore News, Salmon Arm, BC February 23, 2002 Ron Adams I was having lunch at PJ's with one of my favourite clients last week and the conversation turned to the Campbell government's recent round of tax cuts. "I'm opposed to those tax cuts," the retired college instructor declared, "because they benefit the rich. The rich get much more money back than ordinary taxpayers like you and I and that's not fair." "But the rich pay more in the first place," I argued, "so it stands to reason that they'd get more money back." I could tell that my friend was unimpressed by this meager argument. Even college instructors are a prisoner of the myth that the "rich" somehow get a free ride in Canada. Nothing could be further from the truth. Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that everyday 10 men go to PJ's for dinner, The bill for all ten comes to $100. If it was paid the way we pay our taxes, the first four men would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1; the sixth would pay $3; the seventh $7; the eighth $12; the ninth $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59. The 10 men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until the owner threw them a curve. Since you are all such good customers, he said, I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20. Now dinner for the 10 only costs $80. The first four are unaffected. They still eat for free. Can you figure out how to divvy up the $20 savings among the remaining six so that everyone gets his fair share? The men realize that $20 divided by 6 is $3.33, but if they subtract that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being paid to eat their meal. The restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of $59. Outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out the $20," declared the sixth man pointing to the tenth, "and he got $7!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got seven times more than me! "That's true," shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks." "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor." The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They were $52 short! And that, boys and girls and college instructors, is how Canada's tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore. There are lots of good restaurants in Switzerland and the Caribbean. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #88 ********************************* Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:acardin33@shaw.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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