From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #753 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, February 11 2003 Volume 05 : Number 753 In this issue: High-beam flash leads to apparent gun-shot road rage Fantino forging links in Jamaica; Island's violent drug trade stirs Toronto killings Culprits used pellet or BB gun; 46 glass panes must be replaced Column: HOW MUCH IS $1 BILLION AND WHAT COULD IT BUY? TEEN FILES GUN COMPLAINT AGAINST COPS SHARP-EYED COPS NAB WANTED MAN Gun cut from spelling tests after pacifist parents protest Editorial: Why the proposal for a national identity card? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:59:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: High-beam flash leads to apparent gun-shot road rage PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2003.02.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: B4 BYLINE: Brian Morton SOURCE: Vancouver Sun - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- High-beam flash leads to apparent gun-shot road rage - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- An apparent case of road rage could have had serious consequences early Saturday when a young man was shot at in his car, apparently for flashing his high beams at another driver. Vancouver Police Constable Sarah Bloor said the incident happened at 12:43 a.m., when the victim, a young Vancouver man, was cut off by the suspect driver. The victim flashed his high beams at the other driver, who then pulled beside him at a stop light. The suspect driver then waved what the victim thought was a knife. Then he heard a thump on the side of his vehicle, which police believe was the shot being fired. A bullet was later retrieved from the side of the victim's car. "It was simply a case of road rage," she said, referring to a phenomenon in which drivers sometimes lose control of themselves and become extremely angry at other drivers. The man in the incident was not hurt, and he managed to record the licence plate number of the other car. Police did not have a description of the suspect car, although the driver was described as an Asian male with short hair, in his 20s, with chubby cheeks. Bloor said road rage incidents are a continuing problem in Vancouver. "We get a few incidents throughout the year and some people take it a step farther. "But we're not seeing skyrocketing numbers in regards to this." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:59:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Fantino forging links in Jamaica; Island's violent drug trade stirs Toronto killings PUBLICATION: Toronto Star DATE: 2003.02.11 SECTION: NEWS PAGE: B03 SOURCE: Toronto Star BYLINE: Dale Brazao DATELINE: KINGSTON, Jamaica ILLUSTRATION: DALE BRAZAO/TORONTO STAR Police Chief Julian Fantino isescorted by Jamaican assistant police commissioner Charles Scarlett shortly after Fantino arrived in Kingston yesterday. He is conferring with Jamaican police about gang violence stemming from the drug trade. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fantino forging links in Jamaica; Island's violent drug trade stirs Toronto killings 'Gang dynamics' is the main topic on four-day trip - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Declaring "any amount of crime too much crime," Toronto's top cop arrived in a hotbed of crime, saying he's here to learn and teach ways to fight it. The drug wars, which claim hundreds of lives in Jamaica every year, have spilled on to the streets of Toronto, Chief Julian Fantino said yesterday. "There are links. How significant they are is something we're going to discuss in the next couple of days," Fantino said, adding he's here to learn about "gang dynamics" and to share his ideas on community policing. Jamaica has a population roughly that of Toronto, but its crime rate, especially its gun violence, is one the highest in the world. On average, there are three murders a day, most of them the result of the drug trade. "Jamaica, from what our sources tell us, is also a transit point for the drugs that are making their way into North America, including Canada," Fantino said at a news conference after his flight from Toronto. Asked by a local reporter if the trip was intended to "heal the rift" between Toronto police and the 300,000-strong Jamaican community in Toronto, Fantino denied the existence of any such rift. "The majority of (Jamaicans) are hard-working, dedicated, very significant contributors to Canadian society," the chief said. "The difficulties we have is with a small component of that community that happens to be involved in criminal activity." His four-day visit will include a fly-over of the island with the Jamaican Defence Force, a tour of a forensic crime lab and a firsthand view of Hannah Town, a community rife with gang violence. Jamaica's murder rate dropped to 1,045 in 2002 from 1,139 the year before, but that is a very high rate for this Caribbean country of 2.6 million. Sixteen police officers were among those victims, and police themselves shot and killed 135 suspects, many in shootouts with drug lords and their soldiers. Superintendent Harry Daley, whose command of the Western Kingston region includes the crime-riddled ghettos of Trench Town and Tivoli Gardens, said he welcomes any help he can get from Fantino. A strong advocate of community policing, Daley yesterday invited the foreign media into the heart of Tivoli Gardens as he inspected his troops and commended them on their initiatives to get to know the community they serve. Their lack of polish, Daley said, should not be taken for a lack of resolve. Children were bused in from nearby schools and locals were urged to applaud in what was largely a staged event for the foreign media. Just blocks away, a gutted building bears the scars of the three-day gun battle between police and residents in July, 2001, which left 29 people dead. The violence, Jamaicans say, is rooted in the island's wrenching poverty and political polarization, and no visit by a foreign police chief is going to change any of that any time soon In the 1970s, the two main political parties, the Jamaican Labour Party and the People's National Party, helped organize and arm residents, and armed gangs controlled the streets and intimidated voters at election time. By the 1980s, many gangs became involved in drug smuggling and began to operate independently. Although Jamaica produces no cocaine, it is a transit point as the drug makes its way into North America. Government officials contend that Jamaican convicts deported form the United States, Britain and Canada have aggravated the situation on the island. Canada deported 166 Jamaicans last year. The evidence of violence, and the fear that comes with it, is everywhere in this Jamaican capital of 1 million. Private, heavily armed security guards are at supermarkets, at construction sites, even guarding automatic teller machines. Many Jamaicans feel they are getting a raw deal in the way they are portrayed around the world. "Give us a fair chance," said Nathan Griffiths, a masseur who plies his trade at Hellshire Beach, some 15 kilometres from Kingston. "Many people as soon as they see a Jamaican passport you are automatically a drug dealer. That is so blatantly unfair. We are good honest people." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:02:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Culprits used pellet or BB gun; 46 glass panes must be replaced PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.02.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: City PAGE: D1 / Front BYLINE: Graham Hughes SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen ILLUSTRATION: Colour Photo: Simon Hayter, The Ottawa Citizen / Brokenglass was swept from hallways and classrooms by the time pupils arrived for school. Damaged windows were taped up.; Colour Photo: Simon Hayter, The Ottawa Citizen / Principal Bob Santos estimates the cost of replacing the broken and damaged windows will be at least $20,000. !@IMAGES=Colour Photo: Simon Hayter, The Ottawa Citizen / Broken glass was swept from hallways and classrooms by the time pupils arrived for school. Damaged windows were taped up. [300603-75014.jpg]; Colour Photo: Simon Hayter, The Ottawa Citizen / Principal Bob Santos estimates the cost of replacing the broken and damaged windows will be at least $20,000. [300603-75015.jpg]; - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vandals hit school twice in two weeks: Culprits used pellet or BB gun; 46 glass panes must be replaced - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- As he stared out a window, its glass held together with duct tape, St. Luke Catholic School principal Bob Santos tried to figure out why someone used his school's windows for target practice -- twice in two weekends. On Sunday, some time after the caretaker left about 4:30 p.m., somebody walked around the 12-classroom semi-permanent portable at the rear of the school in the Longfields area of South Nepean and fired what is believed to be either a pellet gun or a BB gun at almost every window. They left 46 panes of glass damaged to the point of needing replacement. Others had pock marks, although they had not cracked or shattered. Four windows had been broken in the first attack, over the weekend of Feb. 1, and several others damaged. Four replacement windows had been ordered, but not installed, when the vandals returned this weekend, again shooting at the windows at the rear of the school for students in junior kindergarten through Grade 6. Mr. Santos estimated the cost of replacing the windows will be at least $20,000. Nobody reported any shots, and there were no witnesses to either event, he said. The school sits at the edge of Mulligan Park, with the nearest homes about 100 metres across the playing fields. "Last week we thought it was an isolated incident, but today, coming in, it was a repeat," Mr. Santos said yesterday. Three large windows in kindergarten rooms in the main building -- about two square metres in size -- show long cracks and must be replaced. Most of the windows, which measure about one metre by 1.5 metres, in the 12-classroom structure are damaged and will have to be replaced. The school's caretaker discovered the most recent damage when he made his inspection rounds after arriving about 6:30 a.m. yesterday, Mr. Santos said. With the help of a second caretaker sent by the Ottawa Carleton Catholic School Board, the shards of shattered glass in classrooms and halls were vacuumed up before the children arrived at 8:15, he said. "The school hasn't received any threats, and we haven't suspended anybody, so we don't know of anyone who might be mad at us," Mr. Santos said. In 23 years of teaching, he said, it has been his experience that children or teenagers might break a couple of windows in a school, then run. However, both weekend attacks "took a good amount of time." "Some of the windows were hit as many as nine times -- you can see the marks - -- until they shattered them. They had to take a lot of time to do the damage that they did," he said. Two glass doors leading into the structure were cordoned off; the panels where the full-length glass had been were covered with cardboard and taped up. Children heading to recess had to detour through the main school building to get outdoors. "It's just senseless vandalism and clearly we want it stopped," said James McCracken, the board's deputy director of education. "This is a serious thing and the police are involved in the matter." Vandalism occurs periodically at schools, but generally there have been no similar attacks, he said. Jan Harder, councillor for Bell-South Nepean, said: "I think there should be very tough consequences for the people involved when they are caught. We've had a lot of problems with vandalism and I've noticed a marked increase over the past year. It seems to go from school to school." Ottawa police said there have been no reports of similar vandalism in the area. No projectiles have been recovered, said spokeswoman Carol Ryan, and the investigation is continuing. Anyone who might have information about these two incidents is asked to call police at 236-1222, or CrimeStoppers, at 233-TIPS (8477). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:03:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: HOW MUCH IS $1 BILLION AND WHAT COULD IT BUY? PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2003.02.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial/Opinion PAGE: 16 BYLINE: WALTER ROBINSON, SPECIAL TO THE TORONTO SUN DATELINE: OTTAWA - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW MUCH IS $1 BILLION AND WHAT COULD IT BUY? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So it's official: John Manley will table his first - and most likely last - budget a week from today. Look for the federal government to project tax collections of almost $180 billion, with program spending hovering around $136 billion and the remaining $44 billion going to interest payments on the national debt and a projected surplus. While it all seems so neat and tidy in the budget documents, one should stop and ponder: what is a billion dollars, and what could it actually buy? Of course we know how our federal friends can blow $1 billion pretty quickly - - think of the Human Resources Development Corp. boondoggle or the gun registry fiasco - but again, these numbers get thrown around so quickly and in such a cavalier manner they lose their shock value. A few years back, a major polling firm asked Canadians to identify how many millions were in one billion. The choices given were 100, 1,000, 10,000 and one million. Only 30% of respondents correctly chose 1,000 millions to make up a billion. Such is the economic literacy of Canadians. So let's look at $1 billion this way. If you had a dollar for every second that passed starting from right now and moving forward, it would take you 31 years, eight months, 16 days and a few hours to get to one billion seconds. Just think of it, HRDC lost track of this amount of money in one internal audit. The federal gun registry boondoggle is projected to cost us $1 billion in just under a decade. In other words, by 2004 the feds will have blown $3 per second on a firearms registry which still doesn't work, hasn't stopped one homicide in a major Canadian city and really is a black eye on the federal Liberals' boastful record of strong financial management ... a lie if ever there was one. Here's what $1 billion could have purchased in the area of crime prevention and public safety: - - $1 billion could have been used to allocate $3,235 more to investigate every violent crime committed in Canada in 2002. - - For $1 billion you could purchase 21 million trigger locks and 21 million long-gun carrying cases, or seven million gun cabinets from a store like Canadian Tire. - - Victims of crime generally receive between $5,000 and $25,000, when they do receive compensation, which isn't common. With $1 billion, though, we could compensate 40,000 victims of crime at the highest level. - - If we were really interested in catching the bad guys - you know, the murderers who take our families and friends - $1 billion could be used to spend $1.8 million per reward to help get a conviction for every murder committed last year in the country. - - Once we found these people, tried them and convicted them, $1 billion could pay for 40% of all adult jail costs for a year. - - One billion dollars could be used to pay for the running of all courts in Canada, with a cool $75 million left over - enough to purchase 20 state-of-the-art MRI machines. - - If getting guns off the street were really the government's intention, $1 billion would be better used to budget for 454 years of operating the National Weapons Enforcement Support Team, which has seized 2,000 illegal weapons in two years. - - If we wanted to be proactive, $1 billion could be used to pay for 17% more police officers to walk the beat and patrol our streets - that's another 68,000 officers in 2003. - - Toronto had 60 homicides last year. One billion dollars could operate the Toronto's Police Services - the country's largest - for two years. - - Finally, $1 billion would allow taxpayers to pay for one year of operating every local police force in all the provinces except Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia, with a nice sum of $140 million left over. Coincidentally enough, that is just the amount the feds are pegged to collect in fees for their boondoggle gun registry. We could refund that money to law-abiding gun owners and duck hunters. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:05:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: TEEN FILES GUN COMPLAINT AGAINST COPS PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Sun DATE: 2003.02.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 10 BYLINE: ANDREW SEYMOUR, OTTAWA SUN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TEEN FILES GUN COMPLAINT AGAINST COPS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- An Orleans teen has filed a complaint against police after officers ordered him out of his parents' car at gunpoint during an early morning traffic stop. Luc Thibault, 18, said he's still shaken from staring down the barrel of a handgun after he was stopped on Orleans Blvd. just after 4 a.m. Saturday. The Garneau High School student, who works the night shift at a grocery store, was on a break when he noticed police cars blocking the intersection after stopping another vehicle. SURROUNDED Believing the road was blocked, Thibault said he backed up the 2002 Grand Am 4-5 metres to turn around. Police cruisers then surrounded his car, with at least two officers pulling their guns and pointing them at him. After he was removed from the vehicle and handcuffed, Thibault said officers asked him if the car was stolen. Police then asked him whether he had taken drugs or alcohol and searched the car before removing the handcuffs and allowing him to leave. "They didn't have to pull their guns. They could have just asked me to stop the car," he said. Thibault said he was never offered an explanation why officers drew their weapons or an apology. Thibault's mom, Nicole, said she wonders if police would have acted the same way if the driver wasn't an 18-year-old in a relatively new car. "If they stopped me, they'd ask for my licence and registration," she said. "They wouldn't pull out their guns and tell me to put my hands on the steering wheel and don't move." Staff Sgt. Monique Ackland said police cannot comment on any incident during the complaint process. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:05:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: SHARP-EYED COPS NAB WANTED MAN PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.02.11 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 21 BYLINE: DAN PALMER, EDMONTON SUN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- SHARP-EYED COPS NAB WANTED MAN - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Two eagle-eyed city cops nabbed a suspect this weekend wanted for bank robberies here and in British Columbia. "It was very good police work," city police spokesman Wes Bellmore said yesterday. Around 1:30 a.m. on Saturday, two special- duty cops at a west-end nightclub spotted a suspect wanted in connection with a pair of bank robberies in Saanich, B.C., said cops. The suspect was also wanted for two recent bank robberies in Edmonton - one Feb. 5 at a TD Canada Trust near 109 Street and 23 Avenue, and another one on Feb. 6 at a second TD Canada Trust near Whyte Avenue and 81 Street, said cops. "In both cases he carried a sawed-off shotgun," said Bellmore. "He seemed to be enjoying the power of holding a gun." Kirk Martin Kelley, 29, of no fixed address, is charged with robbery and possession of a weapon. Meanwhile, a police dog and handler sniffed out four robbery suspects. Around 4 a.m. on Sunday, two men entered a Mac's convenience store near 44 Street and 36 Avenue, say cops. The pair produced a nine-inch steak knife and took about 60 packages of cigarettes and cash. They fled on foot and met two other men outside. Const. Darcy Drynan and his dog Amigo tracked the suspects to a home near 44 Street and 33 A Avenue. James MacLean, 20, and a 15-year-old boy are charged with robbery, possession of stolen property under $5,000 and possession of a dangerous weapon. Two 15-year-old boys were charged with possession of stolen property under $5,000. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:06:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun cut from spelling tests after pacifist parents protest PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2003.02.11 EDITION: National SECTION: News PAGE: A1 / Front BYLINE: Sarah Ruttan SOURCE: CanWest News Service (Ottawa Citizen) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gun cut from spelling tests after pacifist parents protest (Toronto edition headline); Parent gets gun cut from spelling test: Pacifist (All but Toronto headline) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- An Eastern Ontario school board has removed the word gun from all spelling tests in its schools after the parents of a Grade 1 student complained. Amanda and Mark Sousa, who consider themselves pacifists, were shocked when daughter Chloe's spelling list from her class at Lombardy Public School last week included the word gun. "I realize people hunt in this area, but I still don't think that warrants the teaching of this word to my daughter or any other child," Mrs. Sousa said from her home in Lombardy, Ont. Mrs. Sousa wrote a letter to her daughter's teacher describing her views on the word and her unease with any child learning to spell it. "The word gun is synonymous with death. I'm racking my brain trying to figure out why a seven-year-old would need to learn this word," Mrs. Sousa said. "I don't think this is an issue of political correctness. It's an issue of protecting your child from violence. Guns are violent. End of story." The Sousas did not hear from the teacher. Then Chloe, 7, was sent home later in the week, again with her list, which now had pictures beside each word. "It wasn't a water gun or a toy gun, it was a pistol," Mr. Sousa said. "I was horrified that not only were we ignored, but now my daughter is carrying around a picture of a gun." Yesterday, Mrs. Sousa decided it was time to call the principal. Not long after she placed the call, the teacher returned her call and apologized for the word being part of the test, as did Terry Simzer, a public relations officer for the Upper Canada District School Board. Mr. Simzer explained the word gun had been in the curriculum for a number of years, but as of yesterday, it has been removed from the spelling test because of the Sousas' complaint. Mr. Simzer defended the word as being a good phonetic word and short vowel word that is easy for young readers to learn. "We do appreciate the sensitivity around the word, especially in these times, and have taken the word from the list because of this parent's complaint," he said. "But children do hear this word every day on the news, particularly about blank registration -- I don't want to say the word so I don't offend anybody," he said. "We are quite happy that the whole matter has been resolved and the word will no longer be included in our curriculum." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:08:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editorial: Why the proposal for a national identity card? PUBLICATION GLOBE AND MAIL DATE: TUE FEB.11,2003 PAGE: A16 BYLINE: CLASS: Editorial EDITION: Metro DATELINE: WORDS: 646 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why the proposal for a national identity card? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Immigration Minister Denis Coderre is keen to sell Canadians on the virtues of a national identity card. He raised the idea last November, and again this month before the Commons immigration committee. He spoke of a card with biometric features: Holders would have to attach their thumbprint to it or submit to a retinal scan. Mr. Coderre promotes this new card as a way to satisfy the Americans, who are implementing stricter border controls, and to combat identity theft, through which thieves use forged cards to assume people's identities and loot their bank accounts. He hasn't raised the proposal with cabinet -- at least one of his colleagues, Revenue Minister Elinor Caplan, has publicly disagreed with his view -- but he wants a national debate. His enthusiasm is misplaced, and his crusade premature. There is no reason to believe Canadians need a national card, and good reason to worry about where it might lead. Mr. Coderre is quite right that the U.S. government, concerned about security after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, is imposing stiffer controls at its borders. While Canada can't be made the scapegoat -- the Sept. 11 hijackers entered the U.S. legally from elsewhere, and two of them were even granted posthumous student visas by U.S. authorities -- this country must acknowledge its own myopia. The U.S. Customs Service arrested Ahmed Ressam in 1999 as he tried to enter Washington State from Canada with the aim of blowing up Los Angeles's airport. So the Canadian government has had to exercise all its diplomatic muscle to keep the U.S. from lumping citizens of Canada in with those of less friendly countries. It has sought and received assurances that the U.S. will not discriminate at the border between Canadian-born citizens and foreign-born Canadians carrying Canadian passports. Good for Ottawa. Unfortunately, Mr. Coderre appears not to share his Liberal colleagues' faith in the value of the Canadian passport as a legitimate instrument by which Canadian citizens may travel abroad, including south of the border. As for Mr. Coderre's desire to thwart identity theft, he places too much stock in high-tech novelty. Thieves could still circumvent the low-tech system needed to obtain a biometric card, by such means as phony birth certificates. Canada has a bad record of letting the wrong people get such identifiers. There are an estimated 1.4 million more social insurance cards in circulation than there are people in Canada. Canada cannot live in a dream world. If the planet evolves in such a way that it is impossible to retain much of our hard-fought right to privacy, we will have painful choices to make. At least 100 other countries, including France and Germany, already have some sort of national identity card, though it hasn't made an appreciable difference to their security. But we are not at that point yet. We should acknowledge, in the words of federal Privacy Commissioner George Radwanski, that the right to be anonymous "is at the very core of human dignity, autonomy and freedom." We should resist the idea of being fingerprinted for a national identifier that, however benignly it starts, might require us to show our papers on request, at any time -- a sort of internal passport. We should also mistrust the capacity of a government that has spent an unexpected $1-billion (so far) on a simple gun registry to manage this considerably more complicated task. Even the United States is so wary of such a card that Congress inserted this line in the bill creating its Department of Homeland Security: "Nothing in this act should be construed to authorize the development of a national identification system or card." Mr. Coderre should think twice before encouraging Canadians to volunteer for the job. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #753 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@sprint.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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