From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #756 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, February 12 2003 Volume 05 : Number 756 In this issue: LUFA_Press_Release:_The_Liberals_Keep_on_Lying?= Re: Take that Card and shove it. Re: Teaching the Teachers Re: Lappierres Book will Hit Best Seller lists. LUFA:_Williams_Lake_Native_Band_take_matters_into_their_own_hands?= Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly Re: Got this in my e-mail today e-mail addy required Interesting Website Steaming pantload of Barbra Streisand, donated by M Cauchon re: heads up firearms owners! Fw: It is scary to me too....... WTSN 12 Feb 03, 0000 hrs "Gun" removed from spelling tests Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly Fw: Re withdrawal of the word Gun. A Liberal Cabinet Minister Explains The Firearms Act ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:36:12 -0600 (CST) From: Subject: LUFA_Press_Release:_The_Liberals_Keep_on_Lying?= LUFA Press Release: The Liberals Keep on Lying Edmonton, Ab: On February 6, 2003 Justice Minister (there is an oxymoron) Ma= rtin Cauchon released the much ballyhooed reports from KPMG and Liberal cron= y Raymond Hession=2E No surprise in this public offering by the eminent Cauc= hon; - there are no problems with the money trail of the CFC and administrat= ively everything can be easily fixed=2E Should we be so naive as to believe= if Auditor General Sheila Fraser's department with her staff, unlimited res= ources and a year to work, could not follow the money trail of the CFC that = KPMG can do it in a couple of months for virtually no money=3F The Liberals = think we will=2E And Hession, a loyal Liberal and career bureaucrat says it = is easy to fix=2E Make it more efficient=2E Not sure how that will work wh= en all the Canadian sheep who were willing to participate have come forward=2E= How is efficiency going to make those willing to participate in civil diso= bedience and non-compliance come forward=3F But the real problem is the 65 pages of the report that Justice Minister Cau= chon failed to release to the House of Commons=2E It really doesn't matter = what the 65 pages say=2E What matters is that an elected official took it u= pon himself to censor what was being released=2E This is totally unacceptab= le in a democratic country=2E But if anyone out there thinks Canada is func= tioning as democracy, I have some mountain property for sale on the Florida = coast that I would like to sell you=2E In the "good old days" politicians would resign in disgrace if they were cau= ght pulling a stunt like this=2E Not in Chr=E9tien's Canada! As a Liberal ba= ckbencher yelled in the House last month, "What does a Liberal have to do to= get fired around here=3F" LUFA Box 31082 Edmonton, AB T5Z 3P3 1-877-944-5832 E-Mail: info@lufa=2Eca www=2Elufa=2Eca - -30- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:03:47 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Take that Card and shove it. In a message dated 2/11/2003 9:11:47 AM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > Canada cannot live in a dream world. If the planet evolves in such a way > that it is impossible to retain much of our hard-fought right to privacy, > we > will have painful choices to make. At least 100 other countries, including > France and Germany, already have some sort of national identity card, > though > it hasn't made an appreciable difference to their security. So if the UN and other countries asked the US to jump off a bridge, does that mean Canada must follow too ? As far as I'm concerned the Canadian Government can kiss my posterior if they think that I would ever accept such a card as this card instantly treats citizens as if they were criminals, our Charter guarantees our mobility rights in this country, we don't need a National ID card to request permission to travel in our own country. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:04:18 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Teaching the Teachers In a message dated 2/11/2003 1:59:02 PM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > Upper Canada District School Board > Trustee: Areas Represented : Smith Falls West: > David Schoular schoulard@ucdsb.on.ca > > The Upper Canada District School Board > Technical and Web related questions: websupport@ucdsb.on.ca > General questions regarding site content: inquiries@ucdsb.on.ca > Terry Simzer, public relations officer simzert@ucdsb.on.ca > > Now it's up to you: do it... ...Thanks I sent them a nice letter. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:15:25 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Lappierres Book will Hit Best Seller lists. In a message dated 2/11/2003 1:59:02 PM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > I don't think there is anyone in the country who is a more well-known and > highly regarded champion of Second Amendment rights than Wayne LaPierre," > said Farah. "This book ties in gun rights and the terrorism issue better > than anything else in the marketplace. It's timely and it's profound." ....I smell a Best seller , now wouldn't that just irk the Liberals to no end. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:16:34 -0600 (CST) From: LUFA_News?= Subject: LUFA:_Williams_Lake_Native_Band_take_matters_into_their_own_hands?= Williams Lake native band sets up own gun licences Brian Morton Vancouver Sun Tuesday, February 11, 2003 A native Indian band in central B.C. plans to start issuing its own firearms "licences" as a protest against the federal gun registry. "We're just trying to show we can look after our own affairs," Chief Ervin Charleyboy of the Williams Lake-area Tsilhqot'in Nation said Monday. "I don't like their legislation. I'm not comfortable with it. It's unconstitutional. And it's so computerized and people know you've got guns and everything. I'm not a fan of computers and all these fancy gadgets they have. "To me, it [the federal law] is an underground communist movement to disarm the public." Williams Lake RCMP Sergeant Merv Pointer said Monday he is not sure what, if anything, police will do about the band's plan, but he said he will discuss it with RCMP headquarters in Vancouver. "It caught us by surprise. I hadn't heard anything about it." The federal department of justice in Ottawa could not be reached for comment on the matter Monday. The Tsilhqot'in Nation says it will begin issuing its own firearms licences Friday and that licences will be sold from the headquarters of what is called the Tsilhqot'in National Government office in Williams Lake. Licences will be issued to band members who live on or are on the band lists of the six reserves in the area. The band has not yet decided how much it will charge to buy a licence, only that it will consider them valid. Although he had no other details about the plan, Charleyboy said the band can do a better job than the federal government. "First of all, we know our people better than everybody else. We know who the bad ones are and the good ones and who are law-abiding. We've got to be careful who we issue these licences to." Charleyboy said the band expects to sell up to 4,000 licences. He also said they'd consider selling licences to non-natives in the area who are also uncomfortable with the gun legislation. Charleyboy said he is not afraid of possible legal action against the band. "It's under [our] authority. I'm not scared. I'm willing to fight this." He also said he has not informed the RCMP of the band's plans. "They don't need to know. It's within our own nation." Justice Minister Martin Cauchon said recently the federal firearms registry is "there to stay" despite fierce opposition from gun owners and provincial demands to scrap the system or at least suspend it until audits of ballooning coasts are completed. He said the government intends to use the registry to instil a new gun culture in Canada. However, Canadian Alliance leader Stephen Harper said his party would not only discard the registry if it wins power but also destroy information now contained in the system on firearms owned by nearly two million Canadians. Eight provincial governments have called for suspension of the firearms registry following federal auditor-general Sheila Fraser's disclosure in December that the program will have cost $1 billion by 2005. At least two gun owners have deliberately provoked police charges to appeal the law in court, while others have flouted the law but not been charged by police. The law providing for the registry, the Canadian Firearms Act, took effect in 1998, but its licensing and registration provisions have been introduced in stages. Several hundred thousand gun owners, perhaps more than one million, are believed to be avoiding registration. For more daily news on the Firearms Act: www.lufa.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:44:46 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly In a message dated 2/11/2003 5:36:33 PM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > For Ryerson professor Wendy Cukier, it's routine to receive death threats. > As co-founder and president of the Coalition for Gun Control, Cukier is at > the centre of a sometimes ugly debate. > > The gun lobby, in an effort to combat Cukier's group, sends her bricks, > manure, mens underwear, and a steady supply of letters. > > Letters vary from short, snappy rebuttals to crude personal attacks. She's > been called a socialist, a man-hater and even a neo-Nazi. > > She also recieves vulgar phone calls, and threatening e-mails. > > "Wendy Cukier should be burned at the stake," reads a typical e-mail > message. > > Cukier, however, doesn't let all the negativity get her down. > > "It's obviously upsetting when they're threatening to come to your house. > > "But I've been getting this stuff for so long," she said. "I'm abrasive and > persistent. I don't back down." Oh please give me a Break - I think we all know what a bunch of Bull this story is, I don't know of very many gun owners who would even bother to write to someone that is so much of a lost cause that it's just a waste of time anyway. and gun owners don't make threats, it's not our style. We don't consider Wendy very much of a Political threat anyway,-she's no more now than a mere irritation (sort of like a lingering mosquitoe bite) I think we all know this is nothing more than a smear campaign against gun owners and that publication looks like a truly womens liberal rag anyway. So they are trying to dupe their own readers about us. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:45:34 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Got this in my e-mail today Think Tank Sues Over DC Gun Ban Legal scholars from the Cato Institute have filed a lawsuit on behalf of six plaintiffs seeking to have their Second Amendment rights recognized and restored. Home to some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, the District of Columbia has made it nearly impossible for lawful citizens to defend themselves. Full story here: http://d21c.com/progun1/news.html">http://d21c.com/progun1/news.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:28:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Hill Subject: e-mail addy required I need Martin Cauchon's email addy and cannot find it. It seems to me that someone posted this a while back. If anyone has same I would appreciate it. All I can find on the searches is his phone number and address. Jim Hill [cauchm@parl.gc.ca - BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:28:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Don Hart" Subject: Interesting Website Just thought I would call evryones attention to an interesting website. Women Against Gun Control is free to join, and accepts Canadian members. www.wagc.com Don.Hart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:11:46 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Steaming pantload of Barbra Streisand, donated by M Cauchon > I beg to disagree with my friend Marty on this one. I have met with Mr. > Webster for a couple of hours, face to face... > Is there any truth to the rumour that the CFC is going to install > revolving doors on the CEO's office? To paraphrase Junior Johnson "CEO's is like lightbulbs. You just unscrew one and screw in another." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:57:01 -0600 (CST) From: Skeeter Subject: re: heads up firearms owners! The CFC is now asking those folks who sent in their registration forms via mail because they couldn't get on the internet, to please forward a cheque. (Cheques were not sent in by many as they had tried to register via the free internet service.) Solution-- Go on the internet and re-register everything under the renewed free service at www.cfc-ccaf.ca. Why pay now when it is free!! Greg Illerbrun Chairman Recreational Firearms Community GI:cm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:54:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Chris Gilmore" Subject: Fw: It is scary to me too....... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Gilmore" To: "The National Post" Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: It is scary to me too....... > That adult Canadians could have developed an totally unbalanced attitude > towards a word in a school spelling test (gun) should send all educators > scampering for cover. Those two people, who are now parents, must not > have had any contact with the real world. I hate violence too, but I don't > believe if I close my eyes it will go away either. Just like it is not the > car's > fault that a person crashed it so it is with 'guns' which are handled by > people. If you want to have a "fear" of something please let it be the > human being who is mis-using it. Let your voice be heard for harsher > sentences to be given to these criminials. Government seems to want > to bargain these crimes away because they don't want to build more > prisons. Conditional sentences seem to be the order of the day. Two > young men walk out of court on conditional sentences after being > found guilty of killing a pedestrian while they were street racing. Honest > Uncle Abe can go to jail for 10 years for not getting a license or > registering > the old 303 that his Father brought home after WWll and willed to him > 20 years ago. Fair? Not in your wildest dreams. The Liberals are really > out of Focus, just like these two parents, who probably vote Liberal every > time. > Thank you, > Chris Gilmore > Logan Lake, BC > V0K 1W0 > Ph. 250-523-6597 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:57:04 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: WTSN 12 Feb 03, 0000 hrs Tonight I viewed a show by WTSN profiling Linda Thom. They were totally supportive of her and her stance against the draconian and useless firearms act and showed Windy Kookier to be the shrill shill she is. What follows is a letter I sent to the show's feedback site: Tonight I watched your show profiling Linda Thom, Olympic Gold Medalist in Women's Pistol. I found the show to be inspirational and I appreciated the way it showed the shooting sports in a very positive light. I am coaching two girls who will be in the Canada Winter Games this March, and I would like to show them this segment, if you could tell me how I could obtain a tape. Thank you for a truly excellent production. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:08:18 -0600 (CST) From: Walter Martindale Subject: "Gun" removed from spelling tests To: letters@nationalpost.com, letters@thecitizen.southam.ca, mckibbina@ucdsb.on.ca, cdn-firearms-digest Regarding Lombardy School removing the word "gun" from spelling lessons or tests: I suppose that nobody can use a grease gun, soldering gun, caulking gun, nail gun, nor can they gun their engines, paint spray gun... There are more types of "gun" than firearms. Put the word back in your school, and tell the pacifist parents to grow up. We must have a pretty simple and un-challenging life if we have to ban a simple word from a school. Walter Martindale Edmonton, AB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:09:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Hayes Subject: Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 17:44, Vulcun1isback@aol.com wrote: > Oh please give me a Break - I think we all know what a bunch of Bull this > story is, I don't know of very many gun owners who would even bother to write > to someone that is so much of a lost cause that it's just a waste of time > anyway. > > and gun owners don't make threats, it's not our style. We don't consider > Wendy very much of a Political threat anyway,-she's no more now than a mere > irritation (sort of like a lingering mosquitoe bite) I think we all know this > is nothing more than a smear campaign against gun owners and that publication > looks like a truly womens liberal rag anyway. > > So they are trying to dupe their own readers about us. This is her method of playing up her victim status, as one can be assured that the imaginary harassers that she is facing off are all men. I read an article a year or two ago where some of the "harassing" e-mail that she received was detailed. It consisted of one or two firearms owners asking her to provide statistics and data to back up her facts. Apparently no one in her ivory tower had ever bothered to do that with her before (her good intentions were apparently proof enough for her colleagues at Ryerson), so she was taken aback and a little miffed at the temerity of the uneducated louts. Imagine, one of the great unwashed and a male, firearms owner to boot, questioning her!!! A clear cut case of harassment, no other possible take on it. Jason Hayes - Principal Hayes Holdings Consulting hh@hayz.ws / www.hayz.ws ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:10:12 -0600 (CST) From: axitec@shaw.ca Subject: Fw: Re withdrawal of the word Gun. heres my effort to the Natpost, a similar one went to the "education professionals" at the school. sent, not yet printed. Gerry Kirkham, Powell River, B.C. It's Our Freedom That Keeps Us Safe, Not Our Safety That Keeps Us Free! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National post" Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Fw: Re withdrawal of the word Gun. > > GUN WORD FREE ZONE > > The rediculous decision to remove a recognized English word from use in the > school vocabulary, due to > an over zealous parent who obviously lives in an alternate reality is > political correctness gone mad! Should this child ever come across a > firearm, her curiosity could kill either her, or kill another child. > Surely education professionals must see the value of education as opposed > to ignorance about any subject. these parents, the school board, and all > involved with this fiasco, are in serious need of a reality check! I > sincerely hope this child does not end up a victim due to her parents > terribly miss directed pacifist ideals. > Respectfully Gerry Kirkham. axitec@shaw.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:12:32 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: A Liberal Cabinet Minister Explains The Firearms Act I would like to enlighten readers with the in depth explanations one gets when you question a senior Liberal cabinet minister on the Firearms Act. What follows is my letter, below which is the extensive response I received from the Minister as they explained the logic behind their support for the Firearms Act: ______________________________________________________________ Mrs. Marlene Catterall, MP Government Whip 2571 Carling Avenue Ottawa, Ontario Ms. Catterall: Mr. Al Dorans has chosen to share with me your response to a letter he wrote. While you are not my MP, my degree programs were in criminology and criminal justice administration, and I would like to address what you have said from that perspective. In addition, I spent 12 years in law enforcement working with two different forces, so I have some familiarity with those concerns as well. You said: > I am not sure to what research you are referring. What I have seen comes to > a different conclusion. For instance, research by an international police > association comparing different countries shows that the more stringent gun > legislation is, the lower the rate of deaths by guns. As you are probably aware, the scientific community places little value on "research" that does not pass peer review in a refereed journal. The reason for this is simple and obvious - it eliminates faulty research that is either deliberately skewed to arrive at a foregone conclusion or flawed in methodology. I am not aware of the unnamed research you refer to or the similarly unnamed police association that supposedly did it. However, I am willing to bet that the methodology that was employed did not eliminate demographic dissimilarities between countries - which essentially leaves you comparing apples with oranges. Furthermore, a few countries quickly come to mind that directly contradict what this anonymous study claims to have found. Switzerland and Israel have both a heavily armed citizenry (often with those terrible "assault rifles" no less) and firearms legislation much more lenient than either the US or Canada. Yet their murder rate is lower than Canada or the US - even in Isreal with their civil strife. In comparison, right at the top of the "murder rate by firearm" ladder sits South Africa and Jamaica. In comparison to our neighbor to the south at 6.2/100,000, South Africa sits at 26.6/100,000 and Jamaica at 18.2/100,000 (figures are for last year available, 1997). If you take the time to research South Africa and Jamaica's firearms laws, you will find it is extremely difficult for a citizen to pass police scrutiny and obtain permission to own a firearm. With a disarmed law abiding populace, it is obvious that the criminals are having little problem obtaining and murdering with firearms. While I am sure you do not want an exhaustive review of all country's firearms laws and murder rates, I would hope you will agree that the above shows there are some pretty large holes in this unnamed survey claiming stringent gun legislation in other countries results in lower firearms homicide rates. Furthermore, instead of comparing apples to oranges using different countries, perhaps you should compare apples to apples. Stay within one country - compare states in the US with lenient firearms legislation to states with restrictive firearms legislation. If you take the time to do that, you will find that almost without exception the states with the most restrictive firearms legislation have the highest murder rates while the states with the most lenient firearms legislation have the lowest. Unless you dispute that fact, how does the police survey you refer to explain such an absolute contradiction of its' findings within the borders of one country? Does this not at least cause you to question the accuracy of the study you are relying on to support your position? I would be interested in being referred to the study you mentioned, by the way, and the journal it can be read in. > Other research shows that someone who owns a gun for their own protection > is more likely to have their weapon used against them in the commission of > a crime. This comment of yours leaves me particularly concerned about the "research" you are being provided with. Is this a package given to all Liberal MP's? The study/studies you are referring to were done by Dr. Arthur Kellerman. Dr. Kellerman is a medical doctor and not a criminologist or social scientist of any kind. I can give you the problems that were found in Kellerman's "research" if you are truly interested, but suffice it to say that Kellerman's work has been repeatedly rejected as both flawed and biased in every criminology journal where I have seen reference to it. It has been condemned by the most prominent criminologists who deal with the issue of firearms and crime. Kellerman himself has publicly admitted that the "research" was done with personal bias. Prominent criminologists have done research into the Kellerman contention that firearms kept for self defense are more likely to be used against their owners; there has quite simply been no evidence found to support that contention. That includes whether the firearm is kept in the home or is in the form of a concealed carry permit as presently allowed by so many states. If you wish to put it in a simple math perspective, peer reviewed research has established there are approximately 2.5 MILLION defensive uses of firearms in the US each year - incidentally, in all but a few percent of those instances, simply producing the firearm is sufficient to chase the attacker off without even a warning shot being fired. Now, if there are 2.5 million defensive uses, we can fairly safely say there are 2.5 million firearms being owned for defensive use aside from anything else. If Kellerman's claims that the firearm is more dangerous to the owner than the criminal are true, then it follows that there have to be more than 2.5 million Americans each year who "have their weapon used against them in the commission of a crime". I don't see any evidence of in excess of 2.5 million murders and criminal woundings with firearms each year in the US. Do you see any evidence of criminal firearms murders and woundings being as high as Kellerman's research says exists? The bottom line in my comments on these studies is that whoever is supplying you with the "scientific studies" that you are basing your position on is either ignorant of the concept of peer review or is deliberately deceiving you with biased research. I would not expect you (or want you) to make a decision based on biased and fraudulent research from a pro-firearms lobby group that has failed peer review. At the same time, I think it is equally unacceptable when biased, flawed, and fraudulent research is accepted as authoritative simply because it supports the Firearms Act. Wouldn't you agree? > Perhaps the most compelling information is that the rate of deaths by guns > in the United States is ten times the rate in Canada. I expect you have a university degree and therefore the invariable first year statistics course. Can I remind you of what you were repeatedly told in that first year statistics course? "Correlation does not equal causation". Comparing us to the US in defense of firearms legislation is an apples and oranges comparison. Such a statement would not survive for ten seconds in any first year criminology course. However, if you find country to country comparisons acceptable, Canadian firearms owners can probably live with that. If you find the US comparison compelling, then surely you find comparing us to Switzerland and Israel even more compelling. After all, both countries have firearms murder rates lower than Canada's - yet both allow people to keep fully automatic firearms freely in their homes, retain their military assault weapons after retiring from the armed forces, etc. If you find country to country comparisons to have the "most compelling information", would you push for allowing Canadians to keep fully automatic weapons at home, retain their military weapons after retiring from the armed forces, carry handguns and submachine guns for self defense, etc? I suspect you wouldn't agree with that compelling comparison... But why not, if you find comparing us to the US so compelling? To summarize - and in particular in view of the billion dollars wasted to date - I hope that at the very least you take the information you are presently relying on to a reputable school of criminology and ask them for their assessment as to its' reliability. The school of criminology at U of T is probably the closest decent criminology program to Ottawa, and may I recommend Philip Stenning in that program? If memory serves me correctly, Prof. Stenning has spoken to Parliament at least once about the effectiveness of C-68 when it was still in the bill stage. Other than that, if you really do care about how much money is spent on "gun control" and whether it is effective, may I suggest you have your research assistant obtain the work done by Gary Kleck and James Wright for your benefit. Both have been frequently published in refereed criminology journals on the subject of firearms, their control, and their relationship to crime. Neither are on the side of either "the gun lobby" or "the gun banner lobby"; both are among the most respected researchers in the field. I look forward with interest to what you intend to do from this point forward. Respectfully yours, Mr. Rick Lowe __________________________________________ Well, that's quite a mouthful, with more than a few requests for clarification or explanation. And sure enough, two months later... I received this comprehensive reply: __________________________________________ Dear Mr. Lowe: Thank you for your e-mail concerning the Firearms Act. I apologize for the delay in my response. As you know, Mr. Dorans and I met recently for a long discussion. I regret I am unable to reply at length to your letter but want to assure you I have read it carefully. Sincerely, Marlene Catterall, M.P. Ottawa West-Nepean _________________________________________ You gotta admit guys... it's hard to argue with them when they say nothing! I briefly wondered if she was "unable to reply at length" to my letter simply because she really had no reply she could think of that would float. Hmmmmm... her and Dave Tomlinson... sounds like a match made in heaven! ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #756 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@sprint.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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