From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #760 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, February 12 2003 Volume 05 : Number 760 In this issue: Re: WTSN 12 Feb 03, 0000 hrs Re: heads up firearms owners! Gimme Insurance! Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly Observations from the West Coast X NO SUBJECT Re: A Liberal Cabinet Minister Explains The Firearms Act Constitutional Challenge CAUCHON DEFENDS HESSION'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST Copies of the act and regulations for residents of Quebec. Trolling for suckers Mr Tomlinson-NFA Re: Constitutional Challenge Re: heads up firearms owners! The Informant From 2 Re: Sheila Copps To Make Announcement in Hamilton February 13 Re: Sheila Copps To Make Announcement in Hamilton February 13 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:40:14 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: WTSN 12 Feb 03, 0000 hrs Michael Ackermann wrote: > I am coaching two girls who will be in the Canada Winter Games this > March, and I would like to show them this segment, if you could tell me > how I could obtain a tape. I am interested in compiling a list of various shooting competitions across Canada, such as those of the Winter Games, and any provincial/regional competitions leading up to them. I am particularly interested in competitions that take place on a regular basis, either anually or multi-annually, like the Olympics. Send your info to me directly at akimoya@sprint.ca Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:55:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul Chicoine" Subject: Re: heads up firearms owners! Why register now when you can register May 31st., same price. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice _________________________________________________ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Skeeter To: Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:57 PM Subject: re: heads up firearms owners! > > The CFC is now asking those folks who sent in their registration forms via > mail because they couldn't get on the internet, to please forward a > cheque. (Cheques were not sent in by many as they had tried to register > via the free internet service.) > > Solution-- Go on the internet and re-register everything under the renewed > free service at www.cfc-ccaf.ca. Why pay now when it is free!! > > Greg Illerbrun > Chairman > Recreational Firearms Community > > GI:cm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:55:59 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Lowe Subject: Gimme Insurance! Dave Tomlinson crawled from under a rock to type: > The NFA still offers $5 million in liability insurance > covering all hunting, bowhunting, range shooting, range What kind of insurance does the NFA offer members against being ripped off by the tyrants running the NFA, incompetent leadership, and pathological lies from those who have hijacked the national organization? What insurance does the NFA offer those who donate money, ie to the Billboard Campaign or the Dealer Challenge, that the money won't "disappear" without ever being spent on the stated purpose? What insurance does the NFA offer members that money from fund raising events won't "disappear" once handed to Jim Hinter? What insurance does the NFA offer those wishing to donate things like rifles for auction that the donated items won't "disappear" and the originating province will never get their percentage of the proceeds? What insurance does the NFA offer those buying memberships that the promised 12 issues a year of the NFA magazine will actually be delivered? What insurance does the NFA offer members that those in control of it will do so in a lawful manner: hold elections as per the bylaws, refrain from profiting off being an NFA officer as per the bylaws, operate in accordance with the bylaws, and comply with any and all court orders directed at the NFA or those who are its' officers? What's that Dave, I didn't hear you? What did you say again? Oh... No insurance against any of the above whatsoever - at any price. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:57:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul Chicoine" Subject: Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly The "Eye Opener" is a student newspaper at Ryerson. The other, the official student newspaper is the "Ryersonian" __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:58:06 -0600 (CST) From: "KPImages" Subject: Observations from the West Coast X Our justice system is totally screwed. I guess you heard about the street racers in Vancouver that got home arrest for killing someone but did you heard of the guy that got 6 months prison time for trapping crabs in Vancouver out of season? And also prisoners at a BC jail are now getting a TV set in every cell instead of having to share one in the common area. Corrections officials say it will cut down on fights. Gee, I guess that when you go to prison, learning to control your temper and not fight with others isn't something you need to care about. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:59:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul Ryan" Subject: NO SUBJECT This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2D2A1.94E79DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try this for Eddie The Eagle Program http://www.nra.org/display_content/show_content.cfm?mod_id=61&id=0 Paul Ryan [Moderator's Note: Please turn off HTML/MIME and/or "quoted-printable" encoding before posting messages to the Digest - plain text only. BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:00:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul Chicoine" Subject: Re: A Liberal Cabinet Minister Explains The Firearms Act ah, the file finally opened. Sometimes I wish I had a web cam. I think on this occasion the expression on my face would have been priceless. Talk about Brevity ? No flies on my riding. No sir. The statistics for the word pad file reply, which arrived today, read: "Last saved by: Admin" "Revision number: 3 Total Editing time: 9 minutes The reply: Mr. Paul Chicoine yada yada Laval, Quebec Re : Firearms Act Dear Sir : Thank you for sending me a copy of the e-mail addressed to the Honourable Martin Cauchon, Minister of Justice, on February 6th, concerning the firearm registration scheme. I will try to get some time to discuss it with the Minister. Yours truly, RAYMONDE FOLCO M.P. for Laval West __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice _________________________________________________ - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:18 PM Subject: Re: A Liberal Cabinet Minister Explains The Firearms Act > > Cc: Catterall.M@parl.gc.ca, Anders.R@parl.gc.ca, > Breitkreuz.G@parl.gc.ca, Clark.J@parl.gc.ca, Harper.S@parl.gc.ca > > > Wait a minute...this is a brilliant strategy. Just erase "Mr. Lowe", "the - -snip- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:01:38 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Snow Subject: Constitutional Challenge Broyce Jacobs, MLA Cardston-Taber-Warner #940-5224 - 48 Ave. Taber, Alberta, T1G 1S1 Dear Sir: Thank you for your response to my letter of 16 Dec 2002. It appears that you have been misinformed on some aspects of the Supreme Court decision regarding the Firearms Act and amendments to the Criminal Code (Chapter 39 of the Statutes of Canada). Alberta did not challenge the provisions of this law nor did the Supreme Court of Canada hold that the Firearms Act was valid federal legislation. Alberta only challenged whether or not this was the Federal or Provincial jurisdiction. The SCC held that it was federal jurisdiction to enact, NOT whether or not it was valid legislation. I appreciate your busy schedule and although would like you to read the entire judgment yourself, I include some excerpts following. You can see the entire transcript at http://www.lexum.umontreal.ca/csc-scc/en/pub/2000/vol1/html/2000scr1_0783.html Some excerpts from this SCC decision: 2 The issue before this Court is not whether gun control is good or bad, whether the law is fair or unfair to gun owners, or whether it will be effective or ineffective in reducing the harm caused by the misuse of firearms. The only issue is whether or not Parliament has the constitutional authority to enact the law. 56 We recognize the concerns of northern, rural and aboriginal Canadians who fear that this law does not address their particular needs. They argue that it discriminates against them and violates treaty rights, and express concerns about their ability to access the scheme, which may be administered from a great distance. These apprehensions are genuine, but they do not go to the question before us -- Parliament's jurisdiction to enact this law. Whether a law could have been designed better or whether the federal government should have engaged in more consultation before enacting the law has no bearing on the division of powers analysis applied by this Court. If the law violates a treaty or a provision of the Charter , those affected can bring their claims to Parliament or the courts in a separate case. The reference questions, and hence this judgment, are restricted to the issue of the division of powers. 57 Snip.. The efficacy of a law, or lack thereof, is not relevant to Parliament's ability to enact it under the division of powers analysis. ....snip 60 We would dismiss the appeal. The licensing and registration provisions in the Firearms Act do not constitute an infringement of the jurisdiction of the Legislature of Alberta with respect to the regulation of property and civil rights pursuant to s. 92(13) of the Constitution Act, 1867. The Act is a valid exercise of Parliament's jurisdiction over criminal law pursuant to s. 91(27). ********** Dr. Ted Morton has outlined seven major areas of the Constitution of 1982 that are infringed by the Firearms Act of 1995. There are many willing to contribute to a fund that would allow this challenge to be launched. Once again I ask for the help of the Alberta government in establishing this fund and launching this appeal. Your final paragraph stated something about registering of firearms exhibits. This must have been confused with someone else's letter. I thought that I had only sent a snail mail letter as I do not have your email address in my computer. Thank you for your attention. Yours truly, Barry Snow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:02:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: CAUCHON DEFENDS HESSION'S CONFLICT OF INTEREST House of Commons Debates Wednesday, February 12, 2003 ORAL QUESTION PERIOD Unedited copy - not official until printed in Hansard * * * Mr. John Reynolds (West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, according the lobbyist registration form, Raymond Hession was a registered lobbyist of the Department of Justice on behalf of EDS Canada. EDS is the same firm that was paid $227 million by the Department of Justice to design the gun registry system. Raymond Hession was the lobbyist during the period when these computer purchases were made. Despite these facts, the Minister of Justice hired Raymond Hession to write a report on what went wrong with the gun registry. To the Prime Minister, how can he justify this blatant and shocking conflict of interest? Hon. Martin Cauchon (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, they are getting lower and lower in that file. This is an important file for Canadians. Mr. Hession is a highly respected business person. He is highly respected as well in the public sector since he has been deputy minister. I guess if the hon. member would read the report of Mr. Hession, in the 16 recommendations, he recommended to move away from the EDS system. Mr. John Reynolds (West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, this minister would hire a Groupaction employee to investigate Groupaction. It is probably beyond the grasp of the Prime Minister and his government but they should think about the need for justice to be seen to be done. Raymond Hession, the lobbyist for EDS Canada. Raymond Hession, the lobbyist, always welcomed with open arms in the Department of Justice. Raymond Hession, the lobbyist, called in to review what went wrong with the firearms fiasco in the Department of Justice. To the minister or the Prime Minister, is this what he meant yesterday when he rattled on about political cleanliness? Does he think this meets the clean smell test? Hon. Martin Cauchon (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, one more time, this is a cheap political comment. Mr. Hession is a highly respected business person with 40 years of experience. Second, if they would read Mr. Hession's report, they would discover a fantastic piece of work, with 16 recommendations. Those recommendations will help the government produce a good plan of action.What they do not like is that the government is heading in the right direction. We will keep gun control on behalf of public safety and to protect Canadians * * * BACKGROUND NOTE In today's Toronto Sun article, Hession claims that his lobby work on behalf of EDS "focused mainly on a large contract with Human Resources Development." His Lobbyist report (from the Industry Canada website) confirms that: A: He was a registered lobbyist for EDS Canada B: Effective date 1996-03-11 to 2000-07-25 C: Contracts involved "Information Technology and Telecommunications Systems Integration Services" D: Government institutions listed include Justice Canada ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:04:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul Chicoine" Subject: Copies of the act and regulations for residents of Quebec. At the request of a friend I tried to track down copies of the "Regulations and Chapter 39". In Quebec all calls to the 800 number are directed to the permits dept of the SQ. The gentleman informed me he was unaware of sending out copies of the Act and regs but suggested I contact "Communications Quebec" who might charge for the publications. I didn't contact Communications Quebec. The fellow in question did however give me an extension number which would connect to NB. That worked out fine and copies of the Act and regs are on their way. The route is 1-800-731-4000, select option 1 or 2 for French or English, select option 1 and then punch in extension 2501 and the folks there will take care of you. __________ Paul Chicoine Non Assumsit Contract, All Rights Reserved, Without Prejudice _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:04:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Paul Ryan" Subject: Trolling for suckers >>>>From: Dave Tomlinson Subject: Column: Hunters may face higher insurance costs The NFA still offers $5 million in liability insurance… per person covered plus the cost of membership or the cost of club affiliation. David A Tomlinson<<<<<< Looks like a great deal. The only problem is that the NFA refuses to tell its members what it does with their money. That’s why the NFA lost 130 members at the end of January from Jim Hinters ex gun club. We don’t trust your insurance scheme any more than we trust you or Hinter and opted to pay a little more for guaranteed coverage. Paul Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:54:31 -0600 (CST) From: awpaob@telus.net Subject: Mr Tomlinson-NFA Noticed that Mr Tomlinson is still Reading/Monitoring CFD & Chat per his post on Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:40:34 -0600 (CST) From: Dave Tomlinson Subject: Column: Hunters may face higher insurance costs SNIP David A Tomlinson NFA Legal Mr Tomlinson as you read this forum once again I ask when will you Mr Hinter and Mr Butts answer the following Questions, Which you also declined to answer at the CHAS Gun Show last Sunday when asked. When will NFA comply with the court orders? 1.The election for the positions of National President and National Vice-President (Communications) shall take place as outlined in the By-laws of the Plaintiff, National Phoenix 1984 Firearms Information and Communication Association and the details and process of such election shall be upon such terms as are agreed upon by counsel. Court ordered accounting for members money The National Executive shall be responsible to the Membership for all actions taken in the name of NFA, and shall submit a written report and a financial statement annually to all existing Branch Executives and to the National Board prior to 28 February in each year. This section of our bylaws also has not been complied with to date again in not in why?? also not complied per court directed order to do so. Where is the annual report FOR THE YEAR ENDED DECEMBER 31, 2001 Which obviously should have been submitted by 31 March 2002? Where are the NFA Billboards that members donated cold hard cash to have placed in high visibility areas? or a full accounting for the money in that "Billboard" fund. As you use the title "NFA Legal" you should be setting an example by following NFA bylaws also the Court orders that were issued please do not reiterate that you are just an "Ordinary Member" no one believes it anymore. A.W.Parsons NFA#4882s "FREEDOM" For those who Fought, Bled and Died For It " FREEDOM " has a FLAVOR THE PROTECTED will Never Know or Savor. Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:55:05 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: Constitutional Challenge Barry Snow wrote: > > Broyce Jacobs, MLA Cardston-Taber-Warner > Alberta did not challenge the provisions of this law nor did the Supreme > Court of Canada hold that the Firearms Act was valid federal > legislation. Alberta only challenged whether or not this was the > Federal or Provincial jurisdiction. The SCC held that it was federal > jurisdiction to enact, NOT whether or not it was valid legislation. Your MLA may not appreciate your efforts, but I certainly do. Thanks for a excellent summary. Let's get this unjust law into Court !! Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:56:01 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Re: heads up firearms owners! > Why register now when you can register May 31st., same price. Why register at all ?? Really. Why sign away your Rights and Freedoms ?? It may take a bit more effort to accomplish, but the Firearms Act is headed to the ash can. Time for backbone. Refuse to register. Sincerely, Eduardo http://www.cufoa.ca "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:57:37 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: The Informant Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association Press Release 12February2003 Today Jack Wilson turned "Rat" and "informed" on his good buddy, Dr Joe Gingrich. With his right hand firmly upon a Bible, Mr Wilson swore an oath before a Saskatoon Justice of the Peace that he had witnessed Dr Gingrich in possession of an unregistered firearm. Mr Wilson will appear in court on 12March2003 to give evidence in a Ex Parte (Law: From or on one side only, with the other side absent or unrepresented) hearing to determine whether Dr Gingrich will be summuned to appear on charges of violating Sec 91(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada. Mr Wilson, who recently traveled with Dr Gingrich to Ottawa for the CUFOA New Year's Day Freedom and Liberty Demonstration, hopes to "get the Firearms Act before the Courts. This law violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and deprives us of our most valuable civil liberties. If I have to 'rat out' my buddy to get this unjust law into court where we can destroy it, so be it." This action culmunated a hectic day in Saskatoon where the obstruction charges against Saskatoon veterianrian Ed Hudson and Nipawin dentist Joe Gingrich were "stayed" by the crown prosecutor. The crown gave no reasons for staying the charges which will "remain on the books" for a year. Form 2 (Sections 506 and 788) Information Canada, Province of Saskatchewan, (territorial division). This is the information of Jack Wilson, of # 33, 2401 Koyl Ave, Saskatoon, citizen, (occupation) hereinafter called the informant. The informant says that (if the informant has no personal knowledge state that he believes on reasonable grounds and state the offence.) On Tuesday, 21January2003 at approximately 12:30 p.m. in the city of Saskatoon, Dr Joe Gingrich of Nipawin, Saskatchewan, did possess a firearm, to wit, a receiver, the receiver being from a British .303 caliber Lee-Enfield rifle without being the holder of a registration certificate for that firearm contrary to Sec 91(1) of the Criminal Code of Canada. Jack Wilson ......................................... (Signature of Informant) Sworn before me this ...12........ day of ..........February..................................... A.D. ...2003......................... at ......Saskatoon.......................................... ............Saskatchewan.......................................... A Justice of the Peace in and for ....Shelly Augustin............................ Note: The date of birth of the accused may be mentioned on the information indictment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:58:56 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: From 2 Dear Richard, Re: Form 2 / Ratting Out our Buddies Thanks for all your help on putting together the Information Form 2 charge. This was not a easy process. We had to type the form (Form 2) by hand after the court clerks gave us a small photocopy of the correct form from the Criminal Code (Ontario provides the forms free at the Ottawa court house). Then we had to find a justice of the peace - not as easy as it sounds - they seem to hide in the court house some place off limits to the public. You were correct; the wording had to be "exact". The JP went over it word-by-word looking for loose ends. But you were also correct in that this method seems much more direct than going to the police to ask them to lay charges. We will be using this tactic more in the near future. Thanks again for all your excellent advice. Your expertise is most appreciated. Sincerely, Eduardo Form 2 (Sections 506 and 788) Information Canada, Province of Saskatchewan, (territorial division). This is the information of C.D, (occupation) hereinafter called the informant. The informant says that (if the informant has no personal knowledge state that he believes on reasonable grounds and state the offence.) Date/time/place/ exact occurrence/specify section of the Criminal Code of Canada. ......................................... (Signature of Informant) Sworn before me this ............. day of ................................................... A.D. ............................ at ................................................... .......................................................... A Justice of the Peace in and for ................................... Note: The date of birth of the accused may be mentioned on the information indictment. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:59:26 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: Sheila Copps To Make Announcement in Hamilton February 13 > LOCATION: Tim Hortons Restaurant ^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:08:46 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Sheila Copps To Make Announcement in Hamilton February 13 Jim Powlesland wrote: > > > LOCATION: Tim Hortons Restaurant > ^^^^^^^^^^^ You left out the most important part: LOCATION: Tim Hortons Restaurant 65 Ottawa Street (corner of Ottawa and Dunsmuir) This is the Historic First Tim Horton's Store - it has great significance to Hamiltonians, and as Minister of Heritage, it is a supremely significant place to make her announcement. 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