From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #761 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, February 13 2003 Volume 05 : Number 761 In this issue: Re: Silence is Golden Re: Wendys a legend her own mind Re: Eddie EAGLE ...Chilcotin Gun Registry... RAT ON A FRIEND?? re: Wendy's Statement Pacifists live because other died RE: Individuals Laying Own Charges Fw: Spelling...... Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly RFC Ottawa: Tip of the Hat RFC Ottawa: Lessons from Lombardy Minister disobeys House by running gun registry says Liberal MP Pilots decry red tape for firearms approval Firearms Act-fighters fire case to hearing FEDS DEFEND REGISTRY LOBBYIST CONSULTANT CONFLICT? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:59:39 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Silence is Golden In a message dated 2/12/2003 8:13:56 AM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > Dear Mr. Lowe: > > Thank you for your e-mail concerning the Firearms Act. I apologize for the > delay in my response. > > As you know, Mr. Dorans and I met recently for a long discussion. I regret > I am unable to reply at length to your letter but want to assure you I have > read it carefully. > > Sincerely, > > Marlene Catterall, M.P. > Ottawa West-Nepean Sounds like she got pretty miffed by it - as most Liberal women hate it when they get put in their place by someone who actuallys knows what they're talking about -as opposed to Liberal Politicians who rely on reports from Wendy's bunch to debate gun owners. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:00:20 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Wendys a legend her own mind In a message dated 2/12/2003 8:12:08 PM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > Subject: Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly > > The "Eye Opener" is a student newspaper at Ryerson. The other, the official > student newspaper is the "Ryersonian" Now that doesn't suprise me...those poor ryerson students getting stuch with her ego...yeah she rates her herself highly-but I guess if she won't ....who will huh ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:22:37 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Eddie EAGLE In a message dated 2/12/2003 8:38:31 AM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > Hi There: > When i entered the link you provided in my browser, all i got was a jpg pic > > of two kids and a guy in an eagle costume. do you have the correct link? > thanks, > Larry Larry here is link to whole Eddie Eagle Program -by the way I sent for some of the Eddie Eagle books for my own kids as well as the T-shirts and the T-shirt has the word Gun Written on it ...and no school officials have not said one word about it The eddie Eagle safety message is written on the shirt with a picture of Eddie Eagle. The books are very good -they're essentially coloring books and other puzzles,connect the dots,etc...but tell a story about what kids should do if they find a gun in the house. (Stop,don't touch,leave the area,tell an adult.) Now Here's the link . http://www.nra.org/display_content/show_content.cfm?mod_id=61&id=0 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:58:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: ...Chilcotin Gun Registry... Just heard on CBC "As It Happens" show: Chilcotin Indians are going ahead with their own registry. They realize that sooner or later, this is going to conflict with the = Federal registry and they are quite prepared to back their people in any = court battles resulting. The first year is targeted at getting their own people to register. In = subsequent years they want all others who access what they call = Chilcotin Tribal Lands to be so documented. Looks like we can anticipate Chilcotin Tribal Police as part of the = program to check for documentation. Wonder what they'll do if they = discover any guns not registered with the feds either..... This is gettin' really interestin'...... The further west you get in the Chilcotin, the more militant the natives = get. I can foresee tourists heading for Chilko Lake being stopped at = road blocks and asked to produce Chilcotin issued permits for any = firearms declared. I wonder if they'll have powers of arrest, search and = seizure and be able to levy fines for non-compliance.....? Todd Birch Merritt,BC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:59:11 -0600 (CST) From: Med Crotteau Subject: RAT ON A FRIEND?? Dr. Ed Hudson DVM and Dr. Mike Ackerman MD, both have Pistols ( Identical ), and i don't see anyone ratting on either of them?? Mind you, the Gov't. probably won't be intersted, as they Contain Etchings of a Scene involving the Canadian Gov't. involved with a Gun Owner?? Neatly Depicted. With this new Gun Czar just insatlled in Mirmachie, and stating that the full extent of the law, could be brought into Play?? I wouldn't show my Pistol Off either, as it's getting closer to Brown Shirt time now, than ever !! "Like maybe," you would end up with a Letter on File, or sumt'n dastardly like that? I carry mine in the Glove Box of my Car, and will only be too happy to Display it, if it's asked for. Yes, it's "Identical" to the two mentioned above. Incuding the Etchings. I sent a Request to the Chilcotin Firearms Centre in Wms. Lake, via a friend asking if they'd consider selling me a Firearms License? I live in Richmond. Now if only those Useless Anal Openings, within the CFC and NWEST, would only quit Wasting our Canadian Taxpayers Dollars? Just think of the number of Police Officers, all of that Wasted Money would put out into the Crime Scenes. A Billions Dollars so far, and that is a "CRIME." "ONLY CROOKED POLITICIANS FEAR ARMED CITIZENS" KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY!!! MED ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:59:47 -0600 (CST) From: "garry d." Subject: re: Wendy's Statement Jim Powlesland wrote: <> Darn... I guess I don't make Wendy's final cut. You see, I have a gun problem and a basement full of booze. :-) Garry Dormody Yellowknife ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:07:55 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: Pacifists live because other died Actually, these holier than thou pacifists, living the good life that has been paid for by the blood of others, not as cowardly as they are, who fought and died so that the despots of the age were defeated, have a name that is infamous in their legions of appeasement. John Philip Sousa was a writer of music, especially marches of the military kind that clearly and proudly were created for real adults, prepared to do adult things and take adult responsibilities in the real world. Mr Sousa was not one to hide, quavering in the dark, afraid that violence might sully a perfect, childlike world. How unfitting that these people share a name... > > Just to make sure the word Sousa is not dangerous, either, I checked the > dictionary and the only thing I found... > > Amanda Sousa says: "The word gun is synonymous with death." > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:53:00 -0600 (CST) From: Ron Alton Subject: RE: Individuals Laying Own Charges Unfortunately, under our system only the Crown can prosecute ie the local Crown Attorney decides whether or not to take charges forward to court for prosecution. The Crown has exclusive authority for this part of the process. I have seen situations over the years where CO's for example laid charges but the Crown decided to not prosecute- usually the reason is lack of sufficient evidence but once in a while it is simply "political" rationale and within the Crown's discretionary authority no matter what. Having said that, and given the strong Provincial objections to aspects of C68 in many quarters, it just might be possible to find a sympathetic Crown Attorney in some jurisdiction that would be willing to go for a conviction under the licencing or registration provisos of C68 thus setting the stage for a Charter challenge. Until July 1/03, given the duckgun registration amnesty, any such effort should probably zero in on the licencing area. Ron Alton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:11:10 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Tait Subject: Fw: Spelling...... On the issue of children in the Upper Canada area not being able to learn to spell, gun.....I offered the following to the gentlemen in charge of what must, without a doubt be, the silliest School Board in the land. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Tait" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:37 PM Subject: Spelling...... Messrs. Schoular and Simzer: I have been wondering, since I was advised that children in your district will no longer be taught to spell gun, lest they go crazy and kill someone with the word, what other words children in your area won't be allowed to learn to spell..... For instance, will they be able to learn the following: (i) knife, (ii) sword, (iii) bomb, (iv) soldier (v) bayonet, (vi) tank, (vii) war........... I am certainly glad I wasn't taught in your schools, if I were, I wouldn't have been able to write to ask you about these words, because I wouldn't have been taught to spell them. Although,am I possibly missing your point....? Could it be that you believe that if no one in the world had ever been taught to spell these nasty words, they wouldn't be words and the items the words denote wouldn't therefore exist...? I guess that must be it, because otherwise, not teaching children to spell words parents don't like would only lead to shorter spelling tests, with no real benefit accruing. I'm willing to bet you my dollar to your donut, that you can't read this letter regardless I send it, as your heads must surely be in the sand at all times..... Respect withheld for obvious reasons Edwin B. Tait Victoria ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:11:56 -0600 (CST) From: "John Poulin" Subject: Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly On Wednesday, February 12, 2003 15:18 EST, Jim Powlesland wrote: > In Wendy's world, gun owners pose a constant danger to women and > children throughout Canada. > > We are misfits that need to be constantly monitored because we are prone > to go postal at any time. > > I recall Wendy saying that the real enemy is the gun owner who has a > drinking problem and a basement full of guns. Just to add my $0.02. I think that she is a self-serving Feminist bitch who thinks she has a messianic agenda to save us men from ourselves, much like the whole Liberal government. Please Wendy....we're really OK........Forget it. JP Poulin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:13:44 -0600 (CST) From: Al Dorans Subject: RFC Ottawa: Tip of the Hat To: earl.mcrae@ott.sunpub.com RFC Ottawa/FED UP Canada Protecting Canadian Freedoms .............................. Earl McCrae Sun Columnist The Ottawa Sun Dear Earl, February 13, 2003 Just a brief note to say that I thoroughly enjoyed your Sun article on the ludicrous removal of the word "gun" from the elementary curriculum in Lombardy Public School. This is another clear example of the bias, harassment and discrimination that exists in our increasingly intolerant Canadian society, especially against responsible gun owners. As I am told, criticism is now rolling in from all around the world on this contentious issue. My favorite article of yours was "Dilton McDoily Serves Up the Nuts." You may recall that a few years ago, I shared that with when we ran into one other on a frosty winter night while power walking on Cedar Grove Court. I live in Briargreen, too. With what Auditor General Sheila Fraser found on the gun registry, it occurred to me that you might be interested on Bill C-68: The Firearms Act. The politicians and the media are now discovering what we were saying and predicted many years ago. I have developed a brief educational/media guide that might be useful to you, as a handy reference on why firearms owners despise the Firearms Act. Perhaps you might find it useful for writing a future article. Would you be interested in receiving a copy? Please find enclosed my personal submission to the print media and to all the buffoons in Lombardy. Regards, Professor Al Dorans Director, RFC Ottawa Chairman, FED UP Canada .................................................................... Letter to the Editor "Ontario's New Wussy Curriculum?" Re. "Gun cut from spelling tests after pacifist parents protest" (Feb.11), is this to be the new "Wussy Curriculum" in Ontario? Anything that is politically incorrect in the eyes of a narrow-minded and tiny minority of social engineering elitists shall be removed! If 2 parents object to students eating meat, should that term disappear, too? Should all classical books containing profanity and spiritually dangerous ideas be stockpiled and burned alongside firearms, to extinguish the cultural heritage of Canadians? Wait a minute! Amanda and Mark Sousa have the freedom of speech to express their views. This was assured when 113,000 young lads with guns laid down their lives in two world wars to protect their Canadian freedoms. Something the Sousa's fail to appreciate. Lest we forget, you bet students should be educated, in perpetuity, on the sacrifices of Canada's brave war veterans with guns! Mrs. Sousa's discomfort with the word gun identifies a personal and pronounced fear. Guns do not kill, nor do they promote violence. Similarly, forks do not kill, nor do they promote obesity. When her children are safely tucked away, I invite Mrs. Sousa to place a gun on the kitchen table and watch it very carefully. Call me when it does something bad. For decades, students in nearby Perth High School have been trained in marksmanship skills through cooperative programs sponsored by the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association (DCRA), the school board and the government of Canada. The purpose was to develop a cadre of skilled shooters who could serve their country in times of national emergency. And they did. This foolish administrative decision is similar to the Billy Barnes case in Nova Scotia. During lunch, a little lad pointed a chicken figure at another student and said "bang". Billy was suspended from school. Unbelievable. The Lombardy decision calls for an immediate review and complete reversal. Telephone (613) 828-8805 Professor Al Dorans Director, RFC Ottawa Chairman, FED UP II ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:14:38 -0600 (CST) From: Al Dorans Subject: RFC Ottawa: Lessons from Lombardy RFC Ottawa/FED UP Canada Protecting Canadian Freedoms ................................... Dear Firearms Owner, February 13, 2003 The growing firestorm of controversy over the elimination of the word "gun" in Lombardy elementary school, Ontario, is important to the RFC for several reasons: 1) It signals that responsible firearms owners are simply FED UP with the way that they are being treated. Quite simply, they will not accept any further abuse and harassment against their recreational shooting sports. They will not accept any further discrimination against the guns they own and use safely. 2) It illustrates just how precarious the school curriculum can be when minority parental influence can warp the decisions of unwitting, politically correct and thoughtless school administrators. 3) It reveals the growing intolerance of misinformed individuals who have an irrational fear of guns and gun owners, the statistically safest citizens in society. 4) It demonstrates potentially that through reasonable and unified action, how the RFC can influence educational policy and defeat undeserving politicians. 5) It announces a stirring within the RFC toward united efforts that will ensure its longevity. 6) It emphasizes the power of the Internet. In fact, I forwarded 23 Digest letters to those educators involved. Streams of letters are also arriving from around the globe. See what we just achieved? Professor Al Dorans Director, RFC Ottawa Chairman, FED UP Canada ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:15:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Minister disobeys House by running gun registry says Liberal MP PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.02.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A6 BYLINE: Tim Naumetz SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Minister disobeys House by running gun registry: MP: Veto of funding item meant program should have stopped, maverick Liberal says - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rebel Liberal MP Roger Gallaway yesterday accused Justice Minister Martin Cauchon of disobeying Parliament by continuing to run the firearms registry after the Commons agreed last December not to approve $72 million in additional funding for the program. Mr. Gallaway, backed by opposition MPs, argued that an all-party agreement to withdraw a spending estimates vote for extra funds meant the Commons agreed the government should halt the controversial program. The Sarnia MP raised the issue as a point of privilege in the House after Mr. Cauchon told the Commons that the registry, which had only enough funding to go to mid-January, was continuing to operate through a system of "cash management" in the Justice Department. The justice minister has implied several times that the firearms program is being funded with money from other areas in the department, but he has not specified which areas. Mr. Gallaway, one of a half-dozen Liberal MPs who have urged the government to scrap the registry, said the House decision to suspend the additional funding was an indication that the Commons did not support the program and that it should be halted. "The minister does not seem to understand that the order contained in the Dec. 5 motion to reduce the estimates binds him," Mr. Gallaway told Commons Speaker Peter Milliken, arguing that Mr. Cauchon's decision to continue the registry violates the MPs' privileges. Government House leader Don Boudria rejected the arguments, noting Mr. Cauchon asked the Commons to reduce the request for additional funding to zero, following Auditor General Sheila Fraser's disclosure that the cost of the gun program was ballooning to $1 billion over a 10-year period. "The House did not vote to cancel the gun control," said Mr. Boudria. "What has been reduced is the size of the supplementary estimates." Mr. Milliken reserved decision on the matter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:16:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Pilots decry red tape for firearms approval PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2003.02.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A16 BYLINE: Keith L. Alexander SOURCE: The Washington Post DATELINE: WASHINGTON - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pilots decry red tape for firearms approval - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A U.S. airline pilots' group said Wednesday the federal agency in charge of air security is setting unacceptable requirements for the nation's pilots to gain approval to carry guns in the cockpit. In a message to its membership, the Airline Pilots' Security Alliance said the requirements proposed by the Transportation Security Administration, including exhaustive psychological evaluations, were "intrusive" and "obscene." The alliance said the TSA wants pilots to submit to a wide-ranging background investigation, which includes contacting neighbours, relatives, friends and co-workers, an interview with a TSA psychiatrist, a second government psychological exam and a medical evaluation. The pilots said many of the requirements were redundant. The Federal Aviation Administration already conducts physical and psychological exams on pilots every six months. "They're requiring us to jump through so many hoops so that we can't meet the requirements," said Tracy Price, a spokesman for the pilots' group. TSA spokesman Robert Johnson said the background check requirements are similar to those other federal law enforcement officers, including federal air marshals, undergo. "It's reasonable to expect that putting a firearm in an aircraft environment would include some kind of prior evaluation," Johnson said. "The only limiting factor to this program is funding." The TSA has set aside $500,000 US to train an initial group of 50 pilots and the agency requested $25 million in its fiscal year 2004 budget, which begins in October. Johnson said the TSA is designing a training program that "will attempt to reduce as much as possible any liability issues that may arise." Congress voted late last year to allow U.S. pilots to be trained to carry firearms on their flights. The program calls for volunteer pilots to become "federal flight deck officers." The TSA has until Feb. 25 to implement its firearm-training program and finalize its requirements. Not all pilots oppose the TSA rules. John Mazor, a spokesman for the Airline Pilots Association, the official union for the nation's 66,000 pilots, said his members support stringent investigations. He said the pilots union lobbied for extensive background checks and screening of its members. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:17:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Firearms Act-fighters fire case to hearing PUBLICATION: The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) DATE: 2003.02.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: Local PAGE: A10 BYLINE: Lana Haight SOURCE: The StarPhoenix - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Firearms Act-fighters fire case to hearing - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anti-gun-law crusader Ed Hudson continued his campaign against the Firearms Act Wednesday with help from a Canadian-born friend. Hudson is determined to challenge the Firearms Act under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms but first he or a cohort with the Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association must be charged with violating the act. A Saskatoon veterinarian, Hudson has been a Canadian citizen for 20 years. Because he said some people are bothered by the fact he was born in the southern U.S., he has enlisted Canadian-born Jack Wilson of Saskatoon to fight the gun law. Wilson laid an information before a justice of a peace Wednesday afternoon, indicating Dr. Joe Gingrich of Nipawin possessed on Jan. 21 an unregistered firearm contrary to the Criminal Code. The incident occurred when Gingrich bought a receiver, which is part of a rifle, from Hudson in a staged event in front of the Saskatoon police station. Wilson is scheduled to appear on March 12 at a hearing where the justice of the peace or the judge hearing the case will determine if there is evidence to proceed with a charge under the code. Hudson and Gingrich were both charged with obstructing a police officer last month because they refused to relinquish the gun part to the officer. The Crown later stayed those charges. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:18:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: FEDS DEFEND REGISTRY LOBBYIST CONSULTANT CONFLICT? PUBLICATION: The Toronto Sun DATE: 2003.02.13 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 41 ILLUSTRATION: 1. photo of RAYMOND HESSION No involvement 2. photo of JOHN REYNOLDS Rips firearms mess BYLINE: BILL RODGERS, OTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF DATELINE: OTTAWA - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- FEDS DEFEND REGISTRY LOBBYIST CONSULTANT CONFLICT? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Justice Minister Martin Cauchon accused the opposition of "cheap political comment" yesterday after an attack in the Commons on the consultant he hired to review the mess in the Canadian firearms registry. Alliance house leader John Reynolds claimed Raymond Hession, who reviewed the firearms program, was in a "shocking conflict of interest." Tory Gerald Keddy alleged in the Commons "the fox was literally guarding the chickens." Hession told Sun Media this week that he had a "consulting relationship" with EDS Canada, the company that won the government contract to design and operate a $227- million database for the gun registry. The system was found to be so complex and inflexible it is now being replaced. Hession was a registered lobbyist for EDS between 1996 and 2000. 'HIGHLY RESPECTED' Reynolds said Hession was "the lobbyist, called in to review what went wrong with the firearms fiasco in the Department of Justice." "Mr. Hession is a highly respected business person with 40 years of experience," Cauchon shot back, noting Hession's $90,000 review of the registry recommended the government "move away from the EDS system." Hession told Sun Media that he had no involvement in the lobbying efforts by EDS to land the government contract for the computer database system. The system, along with other problems, pushed the cost of the gun registry to almost a billion dollars from the original estimate of $2 million. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #761 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@sprint.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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