From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #765 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, February 13 2003 Volume 05 : Number 765 In this issue: Osama Bin Laden & 'Newspeak 101' ARTICLE: Senior shot in greenhouse ARTICLE: Armed standoff ARTICLE: Cabbie helps nab bank robber ARTICLE: Gun registry protests changing the face of civil disobedience On Changing Tone ARTICLE: Public turns out en masse for gun protest Re: Hello???!!! GENUFLECTING Re: ARTICLE: Court grants blacks special sentencing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:17:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: Osama Bin Laden & 'Newspeak 101' Rumour has it that Osama is considering coming to the land that welcomes = third world criminal refugees with open arms - Canada. But, with one stipulation - he wants to come to British Columbia where = the Air India bombers got 5 year sentences in a plea bargaining for a = reduced charge of manslaughter.=20 Street racers that kill get suspended sentences..... I wonder if the court would have accepted that plea at Nuremberg on = behalf of Nazi mass murderers.....? Only in Canada, you say? Pity.... As to the deletion of the word "gun" from the Lombardy school district = vocabulary, they must have been put up to it by pro-gun advocates and = fell for it - 'lock, stock and barrel'. Think about it. What words do kids get a big kick out of saying before = shocked parents and teachers? Why, the banned, 'no-no', 'potty-mouth' = words, of course! Now what self respecting muppet is going to resist = going around muttering "gun" at every opportunity?=20 "Psst, hey Mary......GUN, GUN, GUN, wanna see my gun? You show me yours, = I'll show you my GUN picture. Oh, Miss Tudball, I didn't say gun.....I = was just telling Mary that GUN was NUG spelled backwards. What, NUG = isn't a word.....?" Talk about being hoisted on your own petard, er, I mean halberd...gee, = all these nasty words synonymous with death, pain, suffering.... Do you suppose anyone on that schoolboard has ever read Orwell's "1984" = to understand the terms "Newspeak", "Doublespeak", "Goodthink"? Political Correctness is it's own worst enemy when exposed to the light = of common sense and reason. Todd Birch Merritt,BC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:05:25 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Senior shot in greenhouse http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-02-13-0034.html Thursday, February 13, 2003 Senior shot in greenhouse By JACK BOLAND, TORONTO SUN A 70-year-old Richmond Hill grandfather is in critical condition in hospital after being shot in his greenhouse. Domenico Calvieri, of Weldrick Rd. W., was shot Tuesday at 11:20 p.m. as he tended to fig trees in his greenhouse. "He has been in and out of intensive care all day long so we haven't been able to question him yet," said Det. Kerry Vincent of York police. Calvieri made his way back into his bungalow where his wife dialed 911 for help. "Right now we have no clue why this happened," said Det.-Sgt. Paul Carey. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:05:54 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Armed standoff http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/ts.ts-02-13-0009.html Thursday, February 13, 2003 Armed standoff 2 men held in armoured car heist By JONATHAN KINGSTONE AND IAN MCDOUGALL, TORONTO SUN Tactical police negotiated the release of two hostages last night in a tense standoff with heavily armed robbery suspects holed up in an adult video store. The drama began when two bandits wearing bullet-proof vests and armed with a high-powered assault rifle ambushed armoured car guards on Jane St. and Trethewey Dr. at 7:08 p.m. An almost-immediate police response to the scene sent the suspected robbers dashing for cover into the Adult XXX video store, about 20 paces away, where three employees were taken hostage at gunpoint. One hostage managed to escape and alerted police outside the store. After nearly two hours, an Emergency Task Force negotiator arranged for the other two hostages to be freed and convinced the two men to surrender, Det. Ron Clifford said. "The negotiator spoke to them and they realized there really wasn't much of an opportunity," said Clifford, of the hold-up squad. "He's highly qualified and he did an excellent job." One employee was "upset, obviously very frazzled, but he's fine," Clifford added. Two men in their late 20s or early 30s were led out of the store in handcuffs. The two will appear in court this morning. Each man faces 14 charges, including armed robbery and forcible confinement, police said. Last night's events unfolded as two Universal ATM guards, making a delivery of cash to the Scotiabank on Jane St., were ambushed by masked men as the guards stepped out of their armoured truck. The guards were disarmed of their .38-calibre revolvers and robbed of a large quantity of cash, said Clifford, the lead investigator. With the local police station, 12 Division, only blocks away, scores of officers were on scene within a minute. Police believe the robbers hadn't counted on that quick a response. "I'm sure they had some type of plan but it got foiled and they weren't able to follow through," Clifford said. The adult video store was the closest hiding spot. Two hostages were taken to the basement while the third was ordered to man the front counter. He slipped out and raised the alarm, police said. Officers from three divisions converged on the store, evacuating nearby buildings and setting up a dragnet that sealed off the area for about a kilometre in all directions. "The cop just came in here right now," said the owner of the Casa Blanca Restaurant, two addresses away from the video store. "They told everyone to leave," the man said. "They told us there may be a shoot-out." No shots were fired in either the robbery or freeing of the hostage, police said. Several weapons, including the assault rifle used by the robbers and the handguns taken from the guards, were recovered in the video store, Clifford said. All the stolen money was also found, said Kirk MacDonald, the armoured car company's security director. Heists like last night's are rare, MacDonald said. "We're just lucky that everyone walked away." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:06:34 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Cabbie helps nab bank robber http://www.simcoe.com/sc/alliston/story/887148p-1054383c.html Cabbie helps nab bank robber "I just cleared out my bank account," robber told cabbie as he held out fistful of cash. by Melanie Hennessey Feb. 12, 2003 The South Simcoe area has been hit with a second bank robbery in less than two weeks as the TD Canada Trust bank on Victoria Street in Alliston was held up Friday morning. But this time, a quick-thinking cab driver and the service he works for helped to stop the thief in his tracks before he could make good his unusual getaway. Nottawasaga OPP reported that shortly after 9:30 a.m. Fri., Feb. 7, a 31-year-old man entered the bank and presented a note to a teller demanding cash, stating he was armed with a gun. Suspect was regular fare WD Cab driver Ron Crawford, who was called to the bank by the man who was one of the company's regular fares, said he didn't act suspicious before entering the bank. "He just said 'wait a couple of minutes, I'll be right back,'" said Crawford. "Then he came back out and jumped in the car and said 'I'm hungry. I want to go to Licks' (restaurant in Brampton)." Crawford said when he told the man that was going to be an expensive trip "he reached in his pocket and pulled out a wad of money and said 'yeah, I've got enough. I just cleared out my bank account.'" It turns out he had actually cleared out quite a few people's accounts as Crawford would later learn. The cab was heading down Cty. Rd. 50 towards Bolton, where the robber had requested they stop to pick up some beer, when Crawford got a call on his cell phone from the dispatcher, letting him know his passenger may have just robbed a bank. "They didn't know whether he had a gun or not and it hit me -- what if he's got a gun?" Take down in Bolton When they arrived in Bolton, Crawford said they were sitting at a red light when two police cruisers pulled up alongside his cab. "When they said 'put your hands up' my hands were up real quick," he said. Crawford added the suspect got out of the taxi, spoke to the police and then four officers took him down. Police recovered the money and the note, but no weapons were found. The Nottawasaga OPP believe the man was not armed during the robbery. The Caledon OPP detachment helped the Nottawasaga OPP with the arrest. The 31-year-old Caledon East man is charged with robbery and was held in custody pending a bail hearing. The investigation is continuing and further charges are pending. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:08:36 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Gun registry protests changing the face of civil disobedience http://www.cariboo.bc.ca/news/stories03Feb10/GunRegistry.html >From The Digital Times Gun registry protests changing the face of civil disobedience By Diana Skoglund June Forsberg appears more grandmother than radical gun lobbyist as she sits bundled in a blanket at a recent rally held in Kamloops to protest the federal government’s gun registration legislation. Forsberg sits in a lawn chair on the snowy lawn in front of the band-shell at Riverside Park beside her friend Cleo Hannah. They have driven from Lone Butte, 150 km northwest of Kamloops, and are sitting because Cleo cannot stand for any length of time. After 70 plus years of activity, her knees need replacing. She has been on the surgery wait list for a year and is sure that if the billion dollars the federal government is spending on gun registration was spent on health care instead, she would have new knees by now. "The whole thing is ridiculous," says Forsberg. "Money should be spent on health care." The two were among approximately 300 individuals that gathered Jan. 18 to protest Bill C-68. They are but a few of a growing number of Canadians who are shucking their past as compliant, law-abiding citizens to protest and, in some cases, commit acts of civil disobedience against a law they see as unjust, unwieldy and a waste of taxpayers’ money. Ron Nordby, another of the protestors, says he’s concerned about the cost overruns, losing the ability to take part in an activity he enjoys with his son, and the ineffectiveness of the legislation. He is sure that he and his sons are not the great risk to public safety that the Federal Justice department’s new legislation implies they are. "I don’t think that it’s right that they can search the premises without a warrant," added his son Darren, a Grade 10 honour-roll student. The protests and, even more, the refusal of thousands of owners to register their sporting guns before the initial Dec. 31 deadline, poses an open challenge to the authority of the Canadian government, says Terry Kading, professor of political science at the University College of the Cariboo. Although Canada has a history of civil protests, it is unusual for protestors to be elderly or to openly challenge the government to arrest them. "It would be a severe breach of their privacy and sanctity for the police and the government to go after these people (for not registering the firearms)" Kading said. Rolf Pfeiffer, a sawmill worker from 100 Mile House, has emerged as an organizer of the anti-bill C68 protests in the B.C. interior. Pfeiffer says he has always been a letter writer — whether to his MLA, MP or the editor of his local newspaper — but that he is not affiliated any political party or gun lobby groups. He says he knew had to take his activity to a new level after he saw a widely broadcast news clip of elderly Oscar Lacombe standing on the steps of the Alberta Legislature and proclaiming: "We have reached a point where I hardly recognize my own country, a country that so many of us have fought and bled for. I won’t register this gun, and I won’t hide. I will not submit to this unjust and dangerous law. Free I was born and, even if you put me in jail, free I will remain." If a 74 year-old-man could stand up and do something about Bill C-68 so could he, Pfeiffer says. By Jan. 18, Rolf had organized the Interior’s first anti-Bill C68-rally in Kamloops. He has another rally organized in February in 100 Mile House and says support is also building for rallies in Williams Lake and Prince George. Gary Mauser, a public policy expert and professor at Simon Fraser University, said that rallies in predominantly rural areas probably have a limited impact on the government. "The problem is that rallies in the rural areas of B.C. are preaching to the converted," Mauser said, noting that issue of gun control has often pitted rural against urban constituents. However, Mauser said the fact that so many gun owners are openly flaunting the government by not registering their firearms is a serious challenge to the program. He said estimated millions of unregistered, vocal gun owners represent people with conservative values who have never been vocal about laws or government policy before. In previous decades, civil dissidents in Canada have typically been left-leaning urbanites protesting to legalize marijuana or stop foreign wars. UCC sociology professor John Cleveland said he believes the anti-gun registry message is likely getting through to Ottawa. He said Canada’s politicians have a long history of listening to vocal constituents and he senses that the voices being heard in Ottawa now are not supporting Bill C-68. Both of Canada’s national newspapers, The Globe & Mail and The National Post, have also editorialized against the implementation of C-68, lending additional urban credibility to the anti-registry message. Background: Bill C-68 Bill C-68, which became law in 1995, required that all firearms in the country be registered by Dec. 31, 2002. However, as the registry deadline loomed it became apparent that the registration bureaucracy was bottlenecked and unable to handle the backlog. Owners who were unable to register were told to send letters of intent to the Canadian Firearms Centre, indicating they would comply with C-68 and prevent a criminal conviction. Public opposition to the registry increased further in December, when Auditor-General Sheila Fraser reported that the program could cost as much as $1 billion by 2005. The Lawful Unregistered Firearms Association (L.U.F.A.) claims it has more than 25,000 members and five million supporters of its goal to pressure the government to rescind the legislation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:09:28 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: On Changing Tone > My lovely wife thinks I might have been a little, "challenging and > 'smart-aleky' that your message was not delivered in your usually > gentlemanly and scholarly way" > Re-reading my correspondence to these gentlemen, she is doubtless right. > I'm considering changing my tone, entirely...! I am afraid that my wife and I would agree with your wife. Not that there is anything at all wrong with the "challenging" part. For far too long we have set back and allowed zealots to have their say unopposed. Doubtless, we must offer a well worded rebuttal when appropriate to protect society from being overrun by extremism. To do any less is a dereliction of our duty as good citizens. But, please, let's not lose the "gentlemanly and scholarly way". In our action to repeal the Firearms Act we are protecting everyone's Right's and Liberties. As the only "armed "civilian portion of Canadian society we must be the first to articulate Voltaire, “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. Unless we can articulate that spirit in all that we say and do, we do ourselves severe harm. We must defend that person's right to voice his/her objection to the spelling list. And we must defend the school principal's decision to hear him/her. That does not mean we support the removal of the "G" word from the school list, but we certainly have no license to become 'smart-alecky' in our protestations, either ot the person, the principal, or the school board who serve as our elected servants. I have said far too much already, but the other day the "B" word appeared on the Digest in relation to some of our opposition. As my high school football coach used to drill into us, "what you do in practice is what you will do in the game". We should be using the Digest to "practice" what we say in public. Polite language well serve us well. Sincerely, Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:17:30 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Public turns out en masse for gun protest http://www.100milefreepress.net/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=1&cat=23&id=41359 >From 100 Mile House Free Press Public turns out en masse for gun protest (Photograph) Heather Colpitts People attending the rally to protest Bill C-68 suggested better ways for govenment to spend the money that has been used for the gun registry component of the bill. By Heather Colpitts Approximately 500 people gathered for a ‘piece rally’ on a crisp but sunny February Sunday when there was also a dog sled competition and a charity snowmobile ride, competing for public attention. They were there to hear a brief list of speakers who outlined all of what’s wrong with Bill C-68, which includes the billion dollar gun registry. Organizer Rolf Pfeiffer estimated that the South Cariboo event Feb. 9, meant to send a strong message to the federal government, attracted twice as many members of the public as the Jan. 18 protest in Kamloops. The forest industry worker, along with his wife, Gina, and four friends set out to organize a protest of the federal legislation in Kamloops and decided the South Cariboo deserved its own event as well since so many residents own and use guns. Pfeiffer has always asserted that the bill infringes upon the rights of law-abiding gun owners, making rules for them harsher than any for convicted rapists and murders. Pfeiffer noted that registration has been tried in the past, after World War II, when the government wanted long guns registered. “Our parents and our grandparents did not let it happen,” he said. He encouraged people to keep the anti-Bill C-68 pressure on government which he maintains has a hidden agenda of gun confiscation. “We are in the biggest stare-down with Big Brother, and we are not going to flinch,” he told the crowd. As for the bill protecting women and children from gun-related violence, Pfeiffer and others pointed to statistics that show a small fraction of homicides are caused by guns. He noted that almost 5,000 women died of breast cancer during a one-year span recently yet the government only spent $4 million fighting the disease. Yet Ottawa can spend over one billion on an ineffectual gun registry. While the speakers denounced the federal government for introducing a bill that infringes on the Charter of Rights, Vince Forsberg, who teaches gun education courses, brought up a little discussed point. He said that while the aboriginal population accounts for three per cent of Canadians, one quarter of all people accused of committing homicides are native and 15 per cent of homicide victims are native. Those kind of statistics give the federal government ammunition to tailor the laws to First Nations Canadians, such as imposing tougher rules or creating special exemptions, instead of getting at the root causes. “Wouldn’t it be better to spend some of this billion on helping them out?” Forsberg noted. He noted that the law is written so that the justice minister can add and amend the bill without bringing it back to Parliament for approval. Natives even mentioning opposition to the government gives government legal cause to act under Bill C-68 search and seizures clauses or cause to toughen up the rules for First Nations only, he emphasized. James Bast, president of the Cariboo Chilcotin Constituency for the Alliance Party of Canada, noted he could not find anything good to say about the bill. “It’s not about gun control. It’s about owner control,” he told the crowd. Bast contended that the government committed fraud by deliberately concealing the true costs of the bill, now over one billion for the registry which does not include most gun owners. “It was conceived by the incompetent, supported by the fraudulent and passed by the arrogant,” Bast commented. 100 Mile Mayor Donna Barnett stressed how the bill is an example of the rural/ urban split. She said urban Canadians have little understanding of the role guns play in rural communities. “Too often urban Canada tells rural B.C. what’s good for them,” she commented. She asked rural British Columbians to explain to their urban relatives and friends that the bill won’t protect people and will make life difficult for law-abiding gun owners. “This bill does not protect us. It does not protect women,” Barnett said. During the protest, volunteers handed out leaflets with Prime Minister Jean Chretien’s contact information. Barnett called on participants to turn to new weapons that may make politicians listen. “Most of you have computers, and most of you have a pen,” Barnett said. Bill C-68 is just the latest arbitrary law being imposed on First Nations communities. There have been countless laws stacked upon natives in the Chilcotin since they signed a treaty in 1864. Don Wise, who does policy work for the Tsilhqot’in (Chilcotin) Nation, added that the leaders of the six bands do not accept federal authority to impose arbitrary rules such as the gun registry so they’ve come up with a different solution. “The Tsilhoqt’in National Government will be issuing its own card for its own people,” he said at the protest rally against Bill C-68 in 100 Mile House Feb. 9. The first firearms licences will be issued to incoming Anaham Reserve Chief Leslie Stump and Joe Alphonse, the Tsilhqot’in National Government (TNG) director of Government Services, during a ceremony Friday, Feb. 14. Wise said the TNG has checked into the legal aspects of the matter and will be issuing licences to the approximately 3,000 people who live on the six reserves: Anaham, Stone, Nemiah Valley, Toosey, Alexandria and Redstone (Alexis Creek). The licences are authorized by the TNG Council of Chiefs, made up of the elected chiefs of the bands. Wise said the TNG would like others to also tell the government that the federal registry is not acceptable. He was an impromptu addition to the speakers’ list at the protest. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:44:21 -0600 (CST) From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: Hello???!!! At 10:42 AM 2/13/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Just a general question. >Does anyone know anybody that has received an e-mail reply to their letter >of intent to register? >Of the people that I know every one of them (I helped several do it) put a >confirmation of receipt request on their mail. >Not one of them has had that confirmation sent back. Not one of them has >been acknowledged in any way. Nope........probably went where a third of the pol applications went.... that big round file cabinet with the little teeth that grind up the evidence. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:44:54 -0600 (CST) From: "BOB LICKACZ" Subject: GENUFLECTING Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Court grants blacks special sentencing Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 11:17 AM 2/13/2003 -0600, Bruce wrote: >http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20030213/UAPPE= M/national/national/national_temp/1/1/28/ > > >Court grants blacks special sentencing >By KIRK MAKIN >JUSTICE REPORTER > >Thursday, February 13, 2003 =AD Print Edition, Page A1 > >Sentences for black offenders can be reduced or tailored to reflect= systemic >racism that has plagued their community, the Ontario Court of Appeal has=20 >ruled. > >It said those most suited to this sort of special treatment will be= offenders >whose crimes involved minimal violence and whose troubled lives can=20 >reasonably be linked to inequality. > >The ruling was hailed yesterday as a breakthrough for a minority which,= like >aboriginals, has suffered historical inequalities and is over-represented= =20 >in the >justice system. It's ok folk. Won't be too long before the only persecuted, oops that would= =20 be prosecuted, criminal with be the gu* (can't spell that) firearms owner.= =20 And then we will be "over-represented" in the just us system and just=20 maybe....... Anyone remember the line, If you can't do the time, don't do the crime". [Moderator's Note: Please turn off HTML/MIME and/or "quoted-printable" encoding before posting messages to the Digest - plain text only. 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