From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #767 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, February 13 2003 Volume 05 : Number 767 In this issue: Fwd: Re. Excerp from Fight Kyoto by Ezra Levant Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly Re: Liberals will be moving Time Allocation on C-10A, Monday February My Letter to John Manley My Letter to Martin Cauchon Kudos Fw: improperly issued certificate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:08:27 -0600 (CST) From: janegaffin@canada.com Subject: Fwd: Re. Excerp from Fight Kyoto by Ezra Levant Fight Kyoto Book Excerpt featured in the Calgary Sun and Edmonton Sun The Kyoto Protocol was the work of thousands of bureaucrats, diplomats and politicians. But no one person is more responsible for it than a Canadian named Maurice Strong. Strong organized the UN first-world environmental summit in Stockholm in 1972 and has never stopped pressing for a world where UN resolutions would be enforced as law all over the Earth. Strong went on to chair the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development in Rio and to become senior adviser to Kofi Annan, the UN's secretary general. Not bad for a kid from Oak Lake, Manitoba, who dropped out of school at age 14. But Strong is different than other social butterflies who flit from one UN conference to the next. He is a powerful businessman, who has served as president of such massive energy companies as Petro-Canada and Ontario Hydro, and on the board of industrial giant Toyota. He is a huge political donor, not just here in Canada, but to both the Republican and Democratic parties in the U.S. as well. At age 29, he became president of Power Corporation, fusing his destiny to Canada's wealthiest and most influential families - including Paul Martin Sr. and Jr., now heir apparent to the prime minister. Strong hired Paul Jr. to work for him during a vacation from university. "We controlled many companies, controlled political budgets," Strong said of his time at Power Corporation. "Politicians got to know you and you them." Strong hired Martin into Power Corporation's executive suite. He helped guide Martin towards unimaginable personal wealth - and even predicted Martin's path to becoming prime minister. But Strong's influence reaches farther than Canada. Indeed, compared to Strong's American and European friends, Martin is a small star in the constellation. Strong sits on boards with the Rockefellers and Mikhail Gorbachev and chairs private meetings of CEOs, including Bill Gates. He hobnobs with the world's royalty, too - and with dictators and despots. He once did a business deal with arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, and wound up with a 200,000-acre ranch in Colorado - which his wife, Hanne, runs as a New Age spiritual colony. He told Maclean's magazine in 1976 that he was "a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology." He warns that if we don't heed his environmentalist warnings, the Earth will collapse into chaos. "Do we really want this? Do we want Marx to be proven right, after all?" Strong asks. He shares the views of the most radical environmentalist street protester, but instead of shouting himself hoarse at a police barricade outside a global conference, he's the secretary general inside, wielding the gavel. Strong has always courted power - but not through any shabby election campaign. He was a Liberal candidate in the 1979 federal election, but pulled out a month before the vote. How could a mere MP wield the kind of international control he had tasted in Stockholm? Journalist Elaine Dewar, who interviewed Strong, described why he loved the UN. "He could raise his own money from whomever he liked, appoint anyone he wanted, control the agenda," wrote Dewar. "He told me he had more unfettered power than a cabinet minister in Ottawa. He was right: He didn't have to run for re-election, yet he could profoundly affect lives." Strong prefers power extracted from democracies, and kept from unenlightened voters. Most power-crazed men would stop at calling for a one world Earth Charter to replace the U.S. Constitution, or the UN Charter. But in an interview with his own Earth Charter Commission, Strong said "the real goal of the Earth Charter is it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments. It will become a symbol of the aspirations and commitments of people everywhere." Sounds like Maurice was hanging out at his spirit ranch without his sunhat on. There has been no one like Maurice Strong before, except perhaps in fiction - Ernst Blofeld comes to mind, 007's round-faced nemesis in You Only Live Twice. But Blofeld sought to attack the world order, to challenge it from some remote hideaway - not to co-opt it, and transform it from the inside as Strong does. Blofeld would threaten a meeting of the UN; Strong would chair the meeting and script its agenda. Strangely, Strong once indulged his inner Blofeld, musing to a stunned reporter about a violent plot to take over the world through one of his many super-organizations. In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues." Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?... In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring this about?" That's Strong talking, but those are Blofeld's words coming out. But this is no fictitious Bond movie villain speaking - it is the man who chaired the Rio Earth Summit and who is Kofi Annan's senior adviser. "This group of world leaders forms a secret society to bring about an economic collapse," continued Strong, warming to his fantasy. "It's February. They're all at Davos. These aren't terrorists. "They're world leaders. They have positioned themselves in the world's commodities and stock markets. They've engineered, using their access to stock markets and computers and gold supplies, a panic. Then, they prevent the world's stock markets from closing. They jam the gears. They hire mercenaries who hold the leaders at Davos as hostage. The markets can't close..." Strong catches himself. "I probably shouldn't be saying things like this." But is fantasizing about holding the world hostage, like Dr. Evil in an Austin Powers movie, any less strange than Strong's other solutions to environmental problems? In 1972, as Strong organized the first environmental conference for the UN, he granted an interview to the BBC. "I am convinced the prophets of doom have to be taken seriously," he said. The only way to avoid doomsday, said Strong, was if "man, in light of this evidence, is going to be wise enough and enlightened enough to subject himself to this kind of discipline and control." That discipline and control, of course, would be meted out by supernational organizations such as the UN. Just like his interview at Davos, Strong warmed to his topic. The BBC reporter asked him what discipline and control people could expect - would it include legal limits on the number of children that a family could have? Strong explained: "Licences to have babies incidentally is something that I got in trouble for some years ago for suggesting even in Canada that this might be necessary at some point, at least some restriction on the right to have a child." But, if the world didn't follow his instructions - if governments didn't heed the warnings of the doomsayers - then "this is one of the possible courses that society would have to seriously consider." Strong himself has five children. He knows how he is viewed by opponents to his radical environmentalism, or his promotion of a UN government with taxation and enforcement powers that trump national governments. And he seems to rather enjoy being described as a man at the centre of secretive power-brokering. "Sure, these are but the deluded and paranoid ravings of the Western far right, and I wouldn't normally trouble to mention them at all," Strong writes in his self-conscious autobiography, "Except that my reaction when I hear a few of these charges is that I wish I had a smidgen of the power (and money!) they say I have. "I wish I could accomplish a few of the things they already attribute to me. I do wish I could assist my many friends and colleagues in all the organizations I belong to, to remake the political and economic landscape." But this is Strong feigning modesty, and not very convincingly. Later in his autobiography, he reprints his ostentatious seven-page resume, boasting every connection he has. His book takes name-dropping to a new level, including a seven-page "name index," a list of hundreds of blue-chip associates that Strong has in his Rolodex. Maurice Strong: A Dr. Evil-style strategist. Owner of a 200,000-acre New Age Zen colony. Designer of a proposal to "consider" requiring licences to have babies. The architect of the Kyoto Protocol. Check out his Web Site at www.fightkyoto.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:31:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Wendy obviously rates herself highly Jim Powlesland wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, John Poulin wrote: > > > she has a messianic agenda to save us men from ourselves > > Agreed. She often says that gun registration is like seat belts. It's for > your own safety. Anyone want to volunteer to collect the various scribblings of Wendikins and put them up on a website? Know your enemy, and all that. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:34:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Liberals will be moving Time Allocation on C-10A, Monday February "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" wrote: > > The Liberals will be moving Time Allocation on Bill C-10A, Monday February > 17 at approximately 12:30 PM. > > NOTE: Bill C-10A includes the 24 pages of amendments to the Firearms Act > http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-10/C-10_ > 3/C-10_cover-E.html > > HOUSE OF COMMONS > Notice Paper - No. 59 > Thursday, February 13, 2003 > 10:00 a.m. > > MOTIONS RESPECTING SENATE AMENDMENTS TO BILLS > C-10 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and > firearms) and the Firearms Act > > December 6, 2002 - Resuming consideration of the motion of Mr. > Cauchon (Minister of Justice), seconded by Mr. Collenette > (Minister of Transport), That, in relation to the amendments > made by the Senate to Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Criminal > Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, > this House concurs with the Senate's division of the Bill into > two parts, namely, Bill C-10A, An Act to amend the Criminal > Code (firearms) and the Firearms Act, and Bill C-10B, An Act > to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals), but > > That this House, while disapproving of any infraction of its > privileges or rights by the other House, in this case waives its > claim to insist upon such rights and privileges, but the waiver of > said rights and privileges is not to be drawn into a precedent; > and > > That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their Honours > therewith; > > And of the amendment of Mr. Hilstrom (SelkirkInterlake), > seconded by Mr. Bailey (SourisMoose Mountain),  That > the motion be amended by deleting all the words after the word > That and substituting the following: > , in relation to the amendments made by the Senate to Bill > C-10, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to > animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act, this House does > not concur with the Senate's division of the Bill into two > parts, namely, Bill C-10A, An Act to amend the Criminal > Code (firearms) and the Firearms Act, and Bill C-10B, An > Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals), since > it is the view of this House that such alteration to Bill C-10 > by the Senate is an infringement of the rights and privileges > of the House of Commons; and > > That this House asks that the Senate consider Bill C- 10 in > an undivided form; and > > That a Message be sent to the Senate to acquaint Their > Honours therewith. > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/PDF/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/orderpaper/ordpaper059. > pdf I know I should be able to comprehend what this is saying, but it seems to be eluding me. First, it says that the Liberls will be invoking "closure" on Bill C-10A this coming Monday. This would be in the Senate, right? Then, there was a motion to amend the original motion allowing the Senate to split the bill into C-10A and C-10B in the first place, to one that doesn't. So, if the Commons requires the Senate to not split the Bill into C-10A and C-10B, how can they invoke closure on C-10A if it no longer exists? Is anyone else confused? Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:35:17 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My Letter to John Manley Sent by snail mail. ***************************************************************************** Monday, February 10, 2003 The Honourable Mr. John Manley Minister of Finance House of Commons Ottawa ON K1A 0A6 Dear Mr. Manley: On February 2nd of this year, you took Mr. Paul Martin to task for shirking his responsibility as Minister of Finance and Vice President of the Treasury board, which oversaw the massive cost overruns created by the billion dollar firearm registry fiasco. I am hoping that you will be considerably more responsible than Mr. Martin when you bring down the Federal Budget on February 18th. I urge you to do the responsible thing, and not give the firearms registry one dollar more of taxpayer's money. To do so would be an affront to the Canadian people. Throwing good money after bad is not the Canadian way. The billion dollars and counting that has been wasted on this boondoggle could have been more wisely spent on putting more police officers on the street, or paying for more MRI machines and doctors to run them, than chasing after Uncle George's duck gun. Please do the right thing. No more money for the failed firearms fiasco. Sincerely, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:35:53 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My Letter to Martin Cauchon Sent by snail mail. ***************************************************************************** Monday, February 10, 2003 The Honourable Mr. Martin Cauchon Minister of Justice House of Commons Ottawa ON K1A 0A6 Dear Mr. Cauchon: In the House, you keep saying that you and your Government believe in "public safety" and that the Firearms Act somehow achieves this. I would like you to provide me with as detailed an explanation as possible of what you mean by "public safety". Please include such relevant material as Parliamentary discussion papers, Committee Reports, Supreme Court of Canada decisions, etc, etc, etc, that support your definition. If "public safety" is something I am expected to give up my rights for, I think we should all be clear on what you mean by it. Sincerely, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:12:42 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Kudos Mr. Roger Gallaway, MP Lib - Sarnia-Lambton Dear Sir, I would like to thank and congratulate you for taking the principled but personally risky stance in the House as recorded in Hansard =96 Pages 3471-72. By clearly exposing the Minister of Justice's fraudulent practice of obtaining the ongoing financing of the Firearms Registry from funds not allocated for this purpose, and this despite the near unanimaous will of the House, you have set a precedent in Canadian politics. That precedent is that you have put aside your own personal political ambitions and even those of your party in favour of acting in the best interests of the Canadian People as a whole. This is the way the system is supposed to work, but as you know it hasn't for a long time. If you have time in your busy schedule, you may wish to give this short article a read: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/How_to_Save_Canada.html Its fourteen points are the distillation of three decades of thinking and talking to thousands of Canadians from all walks of life. Please note that it is intended to be taken at face value and its main underlying premise is that the basic human rights and the equality of all humans is not a matter of political whim but rather an inherent fact of our very existence as human beings. Thank you once again for your personal courage and moral fortitude. - -- = M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:35:45 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Hill Subject: Fw: improperly issued certificate I sent this to the Minister today. It should be interesting to see what transpires. Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hill" To: Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: improperly issued certificate > The Hon. Mr. Martin Cauchon, > Minister of Justice Attorney General > > As you can see from the following emails I am having no success with your > miserable excuse for a firearms registry. I am unable to get a response from > them, in fact, I do not even get a read receipt returned when emails are > sent. The Canadian Police Association in their press release had a joke > therein which stated that the police were using the system over 1500 times a > day and getting results in under a second. > Perhaps you could give me a non-political answer which would explain why I, > as a user, am unable to obtain even a simple answer to what should be a > simple question for the CFC to handle. > I make the request to you personally to have this matter rectified, said > firearm removed from my name and a copy of the registration application used > to register it , sent to me so I can see why this idiotic mistake took > place. > I would appreciate an answer on this and not another " The Minister is > pleased to forward your request on to the appropriate department" type > response. > This IS your department and it IS your responsibility, and YOU have allowed > me to be put in a position where I would have to defend myself in a court > should the police ever come looking for the firearm which never existed in > the first place. This is completely unacceptable and if you can get your > Liberal hands out of my pocket long enough, I demand an answer! > > Jim Hill > 3980 #2 Hwy. > Fletchers Lake, NS > B2T 1A3 > 1-902-860-3006 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Hill" > To: "Canadian Firearms Centre" ; "Peter Stoffer" > ; "Garry Breitkreuz" > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 1:39 PM > Subject: Fw: Improperly issued certificate > > > > To whom it may concern. > > > > As you can see from the attached correspondence I am having no luck > getting > > a simple request acted on. Whereas this was a screwup on your part, I > would > > have expected you to act with some expediency in order to try to correct > the > > matter. It appears that your department is incapable of removing its > > collective hands from it's own posterior long enough to answer a simple > > question or questions. > > > > I did get a response with an excuse that it is busy. Well I do not care > how > > busy you are. Someone in your department took it upon themselves to > > register a firearm to me that I do not own. They did so without receiving > > an application to register from me. > > While I, and other firearms owners in Canada are aware that this is but > > another example of the slipshod work done by the CFC, it does not make it > > any the less inexcusable! > > > > To restate my demands of the original e-mail, I want this rectified and I > > want a copy of the alleged application to register that was used to > register > > the firearm so I can see for myself how this happened. I am curious as to > > how a firearm that even the alleged manufacturer states they never made, > > could end up registered to me. > > > > After the Canadian Police Association went public stating that police > > officers were querying the system 1500 times a day and getting results in > > .07 seconds this should be a snap for your people considering your are > right > > there with all the information. > > > > Of course this would have to assume that the spokesman was not lying! I > had > > a police officer attempt to query the system for me the other day to see > > whether or not you had taken any action. After over a half hour with no > > response I told him to forget it as I had to go. This is about the fourth > > time the same officer has attempted to get this information with the same > > results. > > > > I am getting tired of waiting for something that should only take seconds > to > > correct. I can only imagine the length of time I am going to have to wait > > when I purchase my next firearm. > > > > Jim Hill > > Fletchers Lake, NS > > Full contact information at the bottom of my first post. > > > > cc. Mr Peter Stoffer, MP, Sackville-Musquodobit Valley-Eastern Shore > > cc. Mr. Garry Breitkreuz, MP, Yorkton-Melville > > - > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Hill" > > To: "Canadian Firearms Centre" > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM > > Subject: Fw: Improperly issued certificate > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > Does anyone work here any longer? Perhaps you have shut down and failed > to > > > inform the public. That would be a good reason why my e-mail goes > > > unanswered. Surely with the state of the art system that a billion plus > > > dollars has purchased a simple question like mine could have been > answered > > > since it was sent in November last year. > > > > > > I would like it done prior to some heavy boot crashing my door down > > looking > > > for the mythical firearm you say I possess. > > > > > > Should you somehow find the time to address this situation which never > > > should have occurred in the first place, please look up my query on > > stickies > > > and identification of firearms sent to you on 9 Jan 2003 under heading > of > > > "question" and answer that as well. > > > > > > Jim Hill > > > Full address at bottom of post > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Hill" > > > To: "Canadian Firearms Centre" > > > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 10:08 AM > > > Subject: Fw: Improperly issued certificate > > > > > > > > > > To Communication Group > > > > Canadian Firearms Centre > > > > > > > > Your last message indicated it would be several days before I received > a > > > > reply to my query which was already now well over a month old. Surely > > > with > > > > the billion dollars wasted on this boondoggle thus far you should be > > able > > > to > > > > track down a little piece of paper with my name on it that I > supposedly > > > sent > > > > you requesting you register a non-existent firearm. I thought this > was > > > what > > > > you were supposed to be best at. > > > > If you cannot comply with a simple request from a firearms owner in an > > > > expedient manner then how can you say it will help the police. I can > > see > > > > some officer now waiting for a month for you to answer a query, > > something > > > > you should have at your fingertips! > > > > I await, still, your less than expedient reply. > > > > > > > > Jim Hill > > > > Fletchers Lake, NS > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim Hill" > > > > To: "Canadian Firearms Centre" > > > > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 7:53 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Improperly issued certificate > > > > > > > > > > > > > Communications Group > > > > > Canadian Firearms Centre > > > > > > > > > > I am not surprised by your e-mail but I wish to notify you that I > have > > > > > already been waiting more than the "several days" referred to in > your > > > > reply > > > > > to me. One can only hope that this estimate of time is not like the > > > > > estimate of costs given for this farce. If so I will advise my > heirs > > to > > > > > expect a reply but not to hold their breath. > > > > > I also wish to remind you that I also expect as in my original > > request, > > > a > > > > > copy of the application that I supposedly sent that resulted in the > > > > issuance > > > > > of this certificate. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Hill > > > > > Fletchers Lake, NS > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Canadian Firearms Centre" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:30 PM > > > > > Subject: FW: Improperly issued certificate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your email. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your electronic message has been received and has been forwarded > to > > an > > > > > > enquiries officer. Please note that we are receiving a high volume > > of > > > > > email > > > > > > enquiries. While we will deal with your enquiry as quickly as we > > can, > > > > you > > > > > > can expect a wait of several days. You can also call our > information > > > > line > > > > > at > > > > > > 1 800 731-4000 or consult our web site > > (www.cfc.gc.ca/en/default.asp ) > > > > for > > > > > > general information on the Canadian Firearms Program. > > > > > > > > > > > > Communications Group > > > > > > Canadian Firearms Centre > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Jim Hill [mailto:jjhill@accesswave.ca] > > > > > > Sent: November 24, 2002 12:57 PM > > > > > > To: canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca > > > > > > Subject: Improperly issued certificate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To whom it may concern, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be advised that Firearms Registration Certificate Number > > > > > 1947382.0001 > > > > > > was issued to me in error. > > > > > > 1. I do not now nor have I ever owned such a firearm. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. I have not to date registered any firearms! Therefore if you > > still > > > > > have > > > > > > this in your database it is incorrect and I will not be > responsible > > > for > > > > > your > > > > > > mistakes. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I have contacted Traditions Firearms which you listed as the > make > > > and > > > > > was > > > > > > advised the following by them. > > > > > > 1. They do not now, nor have they ever made bolt action shotguns. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. They do not make firearms with barrel lengths under 470 mm > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like a hard copy of the registration application received > by > > > > your > > > > > > department stating I wanted to register this firearm. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to know how you expect the general public to > > obtain > > > > > forms > > > > > > when you have no one at CFC to answer the phones. To have David > > > Austen > > > > > > threaten members of the RFC in the media for not complying with > the > > > > > > registration requirements when there is no available means to, a) > > > obtain > > > > > > information, b) obtain forms or otherwise obtain any assistance is > > > > > improper. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Hill jjhill@accesswave.ca > > > > > > 3980 # 2 Hwy > > > > > > Fletchers Lake, N.S. > > > > > > 1-902-860-3006 > ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #767 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@sprint.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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