From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #777 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, February 15 2003 Volume 05 : Number 777 In this issue: LETTER: Ottaw Sun, Sat Feb 15/03 COLUMN: Peace-lovin' Commies bear a bloody pedigree CBCing the Yanks ARTICLE: 'Tarnished Halo' awards pan zealots, busybodies Trois-Rivieres Court House the French and accordians ARTICLE: Granny terrorized ARTICLE: Bank robber suspect nabbed after chase ...French Elan... Open letter to Cauchon, Justice Minister Re: Four-month sentence 'pretty sad' ... (fwd) re:Here is my take #771 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:17:07 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: LETTER: Ottaw Sun, Sat Feb 15/03 Not strictly on topic, but note the use of the term "public safety" by the police, without it being defined... http://www.canoe.ca/OttawaSun/editorial.html#letters RE "COPS out to nip driver in the bud" (Feb. 8): Const. Brad Burton proves that using terms like "public safety" is like using "homeland defense," in the sense that anything can be justified under its rubric. The Senate report concluded "Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving. Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving. (Cannabis does have) a negative impact on decision time and trajectory (however) this in itself does not mean that drivers under the influence of cannabis represent a traffic safety risk." These petty abuses of authority by the ignorant like Const. Brad Burton would evaporate with a little enlightenment of fact. Acting with legal authority on ingrained prejudices instead of demonstrated truth is unprofessional. The real question is does an officer who abuses the authority of his position deserve to exercise that authority? Let's hope the Ministry of Transportation reads the reports that consistently prove that drivers high on cannabis are safer than those who are high on life! Chris Buors Winnipeg, Man. (A driver high on pot is a driver likely to kill -- to believe otherwise is both foolish and dangerous) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:17:31 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: COLUMN: Peace-lovin' Commies bear a bloody pedigree http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/adler.html February 15, 2003 Peace-lovin' Commies bear a bloody pedigree By CHARLES ADLER -- Winnipeg Sun A quick quiz for those of you whose knowledge of history extends to beyond what you had for breakfast. Do you remember the Berlin Wall? The Vietnam War? The Korean conflict? The cultural revolution in China? Tiananmen Square in China? Does anybody remember the communists crushing the Hungarians in 1956? The Czechs in 1968? Is anyone old enough to remember the communists trying to wipe out every independent farm family in Ukraine in the 1930s? Now, does anybody still believe communists are about peace? Peace of the grave, I suppose. Today, in Winnipeg, communists will lead the march for peace. I interviewed the boss of today's demonstration earlier this week, Darrel Rankin. He told me he thought the constitution of the Soviet Union allowed for more democracy than the U.S. Constitution. Why? Because the Soviets, right from the beginning of their rule after the 1917 Russian Revolution, allowed women to vote. And did they have choices on the ballot, I asked. At the beginning they did, said the Manitoba Communist Party leader. And he is right. And of course those choices shrunk as the Communists began to assassinate leaders of other political parties. What about the wholesale slaughter of Ukrainians, I asked Rankin. I thought this would be a softball for him and expected him to say the forced starvation of millions of Ukrainians was a dark spot for the evolution of communism in that part of the world. He stunned me when he said it never happened. There were dislocations to be sure, he said, much like dislocations in Saskatchewan when farmers during tough times were forced to leave the land. Hey, Rankin. To compare the exodus of farmer from Saskatchewan during the Depression of the '30s, to the genocidal activity in the Ukraine of the Communist agents of Josef Stalin is the equivalent of Holocaust denial. For those of my friends on the left who choose to march arm-in-arm and hold hands with the Manitoba Communists, please think about those who perished at their hands and ask yourself whether these people are truly marching for peace. Of course, it isn't just the Manitoba Communist Party marching today. Other sponsors of today's march include the Workers Communist Party of Iran, the World People's Resistance Movement, the Structured Movement Against Capitalism, the Industrial Workers of the World -- Winnipeg, the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) and the Manitoba-Cuba Solidarity Committee. There are many others who are genuinely unaffiliated with the above groups. They include the Mennonite Central Committee, as well as Winnipeg's largest union representing city employees, CUPE. The head of the MCC has written me to say he is not marching for communism, only peace, and I have told Daniel Friesen this is a free country. He is free to make a choice as to who he wants to march with, and clearly he has made it. All of us today, must make a choice. Gary Doer must make a choice in the coming days. My guess is he will order his minister of justice to work out a solution with the criminal defence lawyers to end the legal aid dispute. The provincial government goofed big time. It thought it could spin this story as being all about greedy lawyers. But as it turns out, it's a case of government's greed for power. It felt it could cut the fees of private lawyers retroactively because these lawyers have never before withdrawn services. But this time they did and they went beyond that. They hired a civil lawyer to determine whether the board of legal aid had the legal authority to roll back fees. Civil lawyer Anthony Dalmyn tells me the board acted not only unfairly but unlawfully in transgressing the regulations which govern legal aid and in ordering the executive director of legal aid to skirt those regulations. Doer needs to be reminded from time to time his power comes from the fact the previous administration broke its own laws in an effort to hold on to power. Power may have corrupted Gary Doer and his justice minister, Gordon Mackintosh, and the entire NDP government. But if they want to end up in a court of law with a judge declaring the government violated its own law, the sentence handed down by the voters could be just, swift and cruel. Charles Adler can be reached by e-mail at cadler@cjob.com. Letters to the editor should be sent to editor@wpgsun.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:18:35 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: CBCing the Yanks > Well, the French certainly know what it is like to go to war while the US > government keeps its' soldiers at home and takes care of the cash register for > the first three or four years. After all, the US did it to France and the rest > of the world twice in the last century. > > Furthermore, while French troops were fighting - and dying - in the Balkans > while the war there was still a war...Prior to that, the French were dying in > Indonesia in a > war the US supported with money - but not with troops until it was too late > (whatever you believe about whether that war was right or not). > > Where were the Americans at Dien Bien Phu when French paratroopers knowingly > jumped into a hopeless battle? At Medak in the Balkans in 1993, while the > French fought and held the line beside the Canadians - and died? > > Boy, this sure demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge of recent world history, although it is a pretty good CBCing of the Yanks. Even a cursory understanding of world events will put this into context. BTW, when did the French fight in Indonesia? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:19:12 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: 'Tarnished Halo' awards pan zealots, busybodies http://www.nationalpost.com/utilities/story.html?id={544CB790-F4F6-4B62-958A-274EE418D1D4} 'Tarnished Halo' awards pan zealots, busybodies Julie Smyth National Post Friday, February 14, 2003 A U.S. consumer rights group has announced the recipients of its 2002 Tarnished Halo awards, among them lawyers filing lawsuits alleging fast-food chains make people fat and an activist group labelling school lunches "weapons of mass destruction" because they contain meat and cheese. The Center for Consumer Freedom gives out annual honours to what it describes as "notorious animal-rights zealots, environmental scaremongers, celebrity busybodies, self-anointed 'public interest' advocates, trial lawyers, and other food-and-beverage activists who claim to 'know what's best for you.' " The coalition of individuals, restaurants and food companies describes its mandate as standing up for common sense and personal choice. Its list of recipients includes celebrity environmentalist Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who was given the "Most Callous Exploitation of a Tragedy Award" after he was quoted in the Des Moines Register as saying "large-scale hog producers are a greater threat to the United States and U.S. democracy than Osama bin Laden." The group gave Samuel Hirsch, a New York lawyer, and John Banzhaf, a George Washington University law professor, "The Billions and Billions Sought Award" for suing fas t-food chains "on the preposterous basis that restaurants are somehow responsible for their customers' lack of discipline and common sense." A group called The Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine was noted for a campaign calling government-funded school lunches "weapons of mass destruction" because they contain pork, beef and dairy products. The group urged schools to replace dairy with soy-based food. Other recipients of the Tarnished Halo awards include Greenpeace, honoured, according to the group, for pressuring Zambian dictator Levy Mwanawasa to deny 2.5 million starving people access to U.S.-provided food aid because it contains genetically enhanced corn. jsmyth@nationalpost.com © Copyright 2003 National Post ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:36:48 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: Trois-Rivieres Court House On Monday, 03March2003, Jean-Francois Laflamme will appear in court in Trois-Rivieres, Quebec, charged under Section 91 of the Criminal Code of Canada for being in possession of a firearm without having a license. CUFOA believes that this section of the CCC violates our most basic human civil liberties, the Right to self-protection and the ownership of the means to do so. To protect this Right we must oppose the Firearms Act with the most vigorous, peaceful means available. Therefore, President Jim Turnbull along with several CUFOA members from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Quebec, and Nova Scotia, will be at the Trois-Rivieres court house to show their solidarity with Mr Laflamme. If Mr Laflamme is guilty, we all are guilty. We stand united with Mr Laflamme. We will publicly proclaim our refusal to surrender our Rights and Freedom to this unjust law. Let everyone know and understand, we will not rest until the Firearms Act is repealed. Sincerely, Edward B. Hudson DVM, MS Secretary Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association http://www.cufoa.ca "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:37:50 -0600 (CST) From: "jim davies" Subject: the French and accordians > The commander of the larger force said: "Buy me 20 minutes." > "We will do that, sir." > > Fall interviewed personnel from both sides in his account of Dien Bien Phu, > and if more Americans read this, they might not be so flippant about the > French military tradition... No one who has any knowledge of history would pretend that the French soldier, whether a natural citizen or an FFL type lacks courage by definition. What the Americans are referring to is the French penchant for duplicity at the top governmental levels. The collapse of the Third Republic and the widespread grovelling of the Petain era can not be laid at the doorstep of the rank and file soldier. It can, however, be laid directly at the door of the leadership cliques [or claque, as you prefer] It is similar to what might happen if our military was forced, today, to go up against anybody without backup from an ally. The resulting debacle would show us little about our guys and a hell of a lot about the LIEberals. Don't confuse the army, as individuals, with their leadership. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:53:12 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Granny terrorized http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/ws.ws-02-15-0003.html Saturday, February 15, 2003 Granny terrorized Forced into pantry as thugs ransack home By CARY CASTAGNA, POLICE REPORTER An 83-year-old grandmother spent several terrifying moments locked in her pantry yesterday morning at the mercy of three masked thugs who ransacked her Elmwood home and fled with her purse. Anne Gruszecky wasn't injured in the Valentine's Day home invasion, but she was frightened for her life. "Naturally you're scared because you don't know if you're going to come out," Gruszecky told The Sun a few hours after her ordeal. "I was just hoping they would go out and leave me alone." The bandits walked into Gruszecky's unlocked 1 1/2-storey house at 236 McIntosh Ave., shortly before 10 a.m. yesterday and forced the elderly homeowner into her pantry, police said. "They opened the doors and put me in, and I couldn't get out," Gruszecky recalled. "They didn't hurt me. I'm OK." Gruszecky, who lives with her son, Billy, said her stolen purse contained only about $50 and some bank and credit cards. The bandits unlocked the pantry as they fled the home, police said. Gruszecky called 911 immediately. Although no suspects were spotted in the neighbourhood, police tracked footprints in the freshly fallen snow behind Gruszecky's home and east down the back lane. Officers taped off the alley and preserved about a half-dozen footprints by placing an overturned garbage container over each imprint. VICTIMIZED BEFORE The footprints apparently led to a row house in a nearby Manitoba Housing Authority complex at 265 Gordon Ave., a few hundred metres east of the crime scene and just west of Stadacona Avenue. Officers interviewed a resident of the row house, but no arrests were made yesterday. Gruszecky, who didn't recognize the intruders, said she was the victim of a similar home invasion "two or three years ago." "I feel tired," she added. "I'm going to make myself some lunch and then maybe I'll lay down." Gang graffiti is prevalent throughout the gritty Elmwood neighbourhood. Spray-painted on Gruszecky's garage wall were two well-known street-gang tags. However, neighbours were surprised to learn anyone would target the kind, elderly grandma. "That's the lowest crime there is," said one neighbour, who didn't want her name published. "Pick on somebody your own age." Another neighbour said: "They used to wait until you were gone before they broke into your house. Nowadays, they don't wait." The investigation is continuing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:53:40 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Bank robber suspect nabbed after chase http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/ws.ws-02-15-0012.html Saturday, February 15, 2003 Bank robber suspect nabbed after chase By CARY CASTAGNA, POLICE REPORTER A bank robbery suspect was in custody yesterday after cops were led on a high-speed chase southwest of the city. The Valentine's Day drama began in River Heights about 2:10 p.m. when a man robbed the Scotiabank at 528 Waterloo St., near Corydon Avenue. "A gun was seen, but no shots were fired, and no one was injured," Winnipeg police spokesman Const. Bob Johnson said. The bandit made off with an undisclosed amount of cash and was seen getting into a large black truck. REFUSED TO PULL OVER Witnesses told police the truck took off southbound on Waterloo. A Winnipeg police canine unit cruiser happened to be in the River Heights area and spotted the suspect's vehicle moments later on Taylor Avenue. The driver refused to pull over, leading cops on a high-speed pursuit that reached about 150 km/h. Police followed the suspect for several kilometres in a southwest direction out of the city along Wilkes Avenue, Shaftesbury Boulevard and McGillivray Boulevard, Johnson said. The driver continued outside city limits along Highway 2 until he lost control on a road just over three kilometres north of Starbuck and stalled in a ditch shortly after 2:30 p.m. The suspect was arrested at the scene. Members of the Winnipeg police major crimes unit were interviewing the suspect last night. No charges had been laid at press time, and the suspect's name was being withheld. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:54:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Todd Birch" Subject: ...French Elan... "Vive la mort, vive la guerre, vive La Legionne Etrangere".... No one can dispute the gallantry and willingness of French soldiers to = die in hopeless causes. It is their history. I too read "Hell In A Very = Small Place" and it is handbook on how not to fight a war in jungle = terrain against a highly mobile force of politically motivated soldiers. = Morally, militarily and materially and politically, the French were = bankrupt. Algeria was the next domino to fall. The Legion and some Colonial paratroopers could not abide the debacle = and staged an abortive coup. The Legion was moved out of Siddi Bel Abbes = in disgrace. The French were fighting a losing battle in a vain attempt to retain a = vestige of their Indo China/North Africa colonial empire at a time of = great social/political upheaval in the post WW2 era. They weren't as graceful at detaching as were the Brits who were going = through the same process. If memory serves, the Foreign Legion during = this period of French Colonial collapse was at times comprised of 60% = German nationals, many of them ex-Wehrmacht, SS and HJ in origin. This = fact kept a friend of mine from enlisting as he was the son of a = Holocaust victim. The "pacifism" debate/discussion current on the Digest is most = interesting. It is the same moral dilemma faced by high minded people = throughout history - to kill or not to kill. When is it justifiable, = deplorable or simply unavoidable? Rabid anti-war, anti-violence = advocates could easily change positions under the right circumstances = and quite often do. War mongering types may similarly undergo an = attitude adjustment resultant from exposure to the excesses of war. We = all know vets who came home very determined pacifists for the rest of = their lives. As Mel Gibson said to the "non-combatant" correspondent in "We Were = Soldiers" - "There's no such thing here today son" as he handed him an = M16. Kill or be killed was the moral choice. On the lighter side - from today's BC comic strip: "Over here, we have = established a Department of Homeland Security to protect our people! I = highly recommend it to you." Peter. In due course came back the response - "Thanks, but no need. Over here = we just enforce our immigration laws." Amen. Smart guy or xenophobic, that caveman? Todd Birch Merritt,BC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:17:54 -0600 (CST) From: Don Webb Subject: Open letter to Cauchon, Justice Minister Dear Mr. Cauchon, Drive by shootings by drug gangs wounding innocent children, as bullets fly into homes and then getting four months in jail is ludicrous. Drug gangs murdering rivals get a few months in jail and get out only to be shot in retaliation a few months later. How stupid, our Justice system is a mockery. Drive by shooting have escalated frightfully in the last couple of years because crooks plea bargain away suitable sentences by pleading guilty to lesser charges and get away with a slap on the wrist to offend again and again. You as the present Justice Minister continue to spend millions over the billion dollars thrown down the black hole by targeting law abiding firearms owners instead of the crooks shooting each other daily and virtually getting away with murder. The billions of dollars being used for the firearm registry would better serve the tax paying public by putting more police on the streets and give them the resources to fight the real problem. You’re just another mock-up sitting at the head of the justice system bench like the previous couple of misfits. Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:07:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Yannis Marine" Subject: Re: Four-month sentence 'pretty sad' ... (fwd) >>Recently the supreme court of Ontario indicated that a felon's race is a factor in determining more lenient sentences. Apparently if you are a visible minority, or financially deprived, the violent crime you commit is somehow less reprehensible to our justice system. The forces of political correctness deem that one should be rehabilitated rather than deterred from criminal acts by a kinder, gentler justice system.>> I am not a racist as much as this sounds like to be. I believe the reason minorities get lower sentences is because it is believed by the justice system that minorities are inclined to criminal actions and therefore would not make much difference if they are of the street for 4 months or 4 years. Caucasians, it is believed that they shouldn't do it, they are not made to commit crimes or stray off the social cream, period, so they are punished with heavier sentences. Yanni Take your boaters exam online at www.yannismarine.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:09:22 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Gingrich Subject: re:Here is my take #771 Jim, "I remember talking to an old Canadian veteran of WW2, who was still angry that he had to serve so long in combat in the fall of 1944/ winter of 1945, because there were not enough men joining the army back home. Of course, without conscription, there was no way that one will join to fight a foreign war where there are such levels of casualties." Jim, If you happen to remember that fellows name and address please send it to me. I would surely like to know him. We are in desperate need of a few more Canadians like him who are willing once again to fight for freedom. The freedom which was officially removed from us by our own government. The same freedom your acquaintance kept alive in Canada so many years ago. The Canada, he fought for is NOT now a free state. We need him this time for peaceful civil disobedience. His place of origin is of no matter to us (even an American will do). He evidentlly has some spirit which does matter to us. He can join up today. I would say he still has more than enough spine to help in todays domestic freedom battle with those Ottawa pansies. If we could muster a thousand motivated men and/or women like him our troubles with C-68 would be next week's history lesson. He probably knows of other like willed and motivated Canadians and they are welcome as well. I'll enclose a modified excerpt from my previous letter to the firearms community of Canada and ALL freedom loving citizens asking that they stand up and be counted TODAY, not next week. We have so little time remaining. If you have allowed the government to take your freedoms through the licensing and/or registration schemes there is no shame on your part. No shame, whatsoever. We (the firearms owners of Canada) understand this so very well. We are under extreme penalties for not relinquisting our freedoms to our governing tyrants while they boast and lie about how high the percentage rate of "compliance" is to their stiff formidable demands. It is tantamount to the Nazis boasting of the extremely high compliance rate of the jews as they moved them so "willingly" into German concentration camps during the 30's and 40's. Don't do it! Don't do it!! Don't allow it to happen!!! It is not too late to take back your freedoms, however. Not too late at all. Just burn your licenses, burn your registration certificates break your contract with tyranny. This is equivalent to the jews burning their big golden colored stars issued by the Nazis. Stand ready to take back your freedoms with us together in a public forum. I'll be glad to help you perform your DUTY as a freedom-loving Canadian. This must be in full disclosure to this tyrannical Canadian government and all its deciples. We'll fire-up OLD SMOKIE FLAMBEAU again on July1,2003. It is a truly gratifying experience, to that I can attest. Let's have a very meaningful Canada Day, July 1,2003 celebration this year as we remove their shackles of tyranny. Once we regain our freedoms(started by sacking C-68), Parliament Hill needs to have a FREEDOM FLAME erected and placed 50 meters north of the PEACE FLAME to commemorate the rebirth of Canadian Liberty in 2003. Yours in tyranny, Joe Gingrich (pyrotechnician) Parliament Hill Jan. 1, 2003 and (pyrotechnician), Montreal, Jan., 3,2003 at the monument of Georges-Etienne Cartier (father of Quebec Confederation) upon which is inscribed "Canada must be a country of liberty, and all freedoms must be protected by law." White Fox, Sask. 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