From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #778 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Saturday, February 15 2003 Volume 05 : Number 778 In this issue: Re: Explosive Components ? Re: The Horrible Truth Re Digest # 764 Re: CBCing the Yanks RE: Four-month sentence 'pretty sad' ... (fwd) American Elan? Re: legislation on "inexplosive ammunition components" - Bill C-17 COLUMN: Spinning the 5-year sentence Re: legislation on "inexplosive ammunition components" - Bill C-17 Re: the French and accordians email addy for PEI Guardian Re: Four-month sentence 'pretty sad' ... (fwd) verify all firearms before registratin Re: Explosive Components ? ARTICLE: Civil servants may no longer swear oath to Queen ARTICLE: Senators with little to do decide to take vacation ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:10:18 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: Explosive Components ? In a message dated 2/15/2003 11:00:07 AM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > Smokeless powder it is not a explosive, Black Powder is!! (very, very, very > explosive) > it goes "GABOO-big-BOOMM" > and primers are too, when a stray spark from the grinder on the wall goes > into the primer tray, > all of them go everywhere, I found few the other day under the freezer. Some slower burning powders contain small amounts of NitroCelluloise and NitroGlyserine. (As in Blue Dot Powder) which are explosive compositions-but in small amounts (combined with other compositions) will not explode but is intended to burn slowly and evenly. Stray Spark from grinder going off into Primer Tray-all of them going everywhere ? it's really none of my business, -but out of curiousity- why were the primers in the tray anyway ? -especially if someone was using a spark creating grinder nearby- and why is a grinder located in such an area -so close to your primer tray ? -Sorry, but safety flags popped up in my head when you mentioned that statement. -if we are to save this hobby from legislated criminality, We must try to convince our Politicians that reloading is a safe hobby (when basic reloading safety guidelines and reloading manuals are followed.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:12:12 -0600 (CST) From: Vulcun1isback@aol.com Subject: Re: The Horrible Truth In a message dated 2/15/2003 11:00:07 AM Central Standard Time, owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca writes: > Last year, Mr. Fantino found himself under fire. Goaded on by a specious > Toronto Star report, black activists accused his force of systemic racism. > Mr. Fantino impressed us when he defended his men and refused to serve up > the expected self-flagellation. His latest trip to Jamaica reinforces our > impression. Clearly, Mr. Fantino takes seriously the violence that plagues > Toronto's Jamaican community. He has done well to follow it to one of its > sources. I think Fantino deserves a round of praising letters from Canadians for the being the only Police Chief in Canada to go out of his way to investigate the Roots of his cities crime wave. Liberals of course hate an Officer who tells it like it is, because it expells their beliefs as a waste of time and a huge fallacy. And we all know Liberals hate to be proven wrong publicly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:54:35 -0600 (CST) From: axitec@shaw.ca Subject: Re Digest # 764 Eduardo, Thanks Eduardo, No it's not easy, and requires, at least sometimes, a great degree of self control. Only with this self policing, will we "get respect" from the mainstreams of society! Eduardo wrote,"Maintaining the use of "moderate language" while engaged in a "radical cause" is not an easy stance to maintain, but obviously one which we MUST master". Gerry Kirkham, Powell River, B.C. It's Our Freedom That Keeps Us Safe, Not Our Safety That Keeps Us Free! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:28:18 -0600 (CST) From: ssar_500 Subject: Re: CBCing the Yanks - ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim davies" To: Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: CBCing the Yanks >Prior to that, the French were dying in Indonesia in a > Boy, this sure demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge of recent world > history, although > it is a pretty good CBCing of the Yanks. Even a cursory understanding of > world events > will put this into context. I would guess that he meant Indochina....... And sometime after W.W. 2 (not sure of the time frame) France and the U.S.A. although allies, had much less than a cordial relationship. > BTW, when did the French fight in Indonesia? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:30:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Ed Sieb" Subject: RE: Four-month sentence 'pretty sad' ... (fwd) Yannni wrote: > I am not a racist as much as this sounds like to be. > I believe the reason minorities get lower sentences > is because it is believed by the justice system that > minorities are inclined to criminal actions and therefore > would not make much difference if they are of the > street for 4 months or 4 years. > > Caucasians, it is believed that they shouldn't do it, > they are not made to commit crimes or stray off the > social cream, period, so they are punished with > heavier sentences. Yanni, what you are describing is indeed liberal racism. This is the racism of a haughty elite, who believe that those minorities and "lesser" cultures should be held to a lower standard, because their culture is inferior. "Oh, those poor wogs, they don't know any better!" The liberals won't say this of course, and on the surface, probable don't believe it, but subconciously, deep down this is what their elitism has inculcated within their own "superior" class. The elite urban liberals have developed an unspoken yet well understood hierarchy of classes in Canadian society. Whether it's immigrant Jamaican Blacks, rural home-schoolers, conservatives, or gun owners, etc. etc., each of these groups and others have been assigned their place in society by the elitists. Each is expected to behave in a certain way (good or bad). These different groups perform valuable functions for our elitists: these groups are either handy victims upon whom liberal largesse is heaped (and profitted from), or handy but evil oppononents, enemies of liberal wisdom and virtue. And the liberals hate them all, because they are all "inferior". Liberalism is a creed driven by bigotry, prejudice and hate. It is a fantasy world, filled with myths, fairy-tales, evil ogres and poor but innocent victims. In their fantasmagoric world, the liberals, as always are the heroes. What a sad, sick lot! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:32:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Szpajcher" Subject: American Elan? Todd - >... and it is handbook on how not to fight a war in jungle = > terrain against a highly mobile force of politically motivated soldiers. = > Morally, militarily and materially and politically, the French were = > bankrupt. I agree, and I would also point out that the U.S. performance in Vietnam - with more money, more troops and more equipment, in a smaller area (the south) - was hardlly stellar, either. Rumsfeld is not in any position to make snide remarks. While the French were fighting a lost cause to hold on to their Colonial territories, I submit that the Americans are fighting a lost cause to hold onto energy supplies. As I said earlier: 5% of the world's population will not long control the rest of the world, no matter how much power they have. It cannot be done. The Americans are perilously close to an oil shortage right now, and it is not a stretch to see an economic crisis looming. With imports of 13 - 14 million barrels of oil a day at $30/ barrel, this means at least $400 million is leaving the U.S. every day just to keep their industry and economy running. In the meantime, they are looking more and more isolated - and with the marches around the world today, I feel that this may lead to overt Anti-Americanism in many countries. Once they have lost the respect of the people of the world, they have lost the sanction to be a world power. As an interesting aside, I have been reading material which shows that Europe/ Russia are looking at a glut of natural gas over the next decade, as new pipeline capacity comes on stream from Russia, so they will have an energy surplus while the Americans sink farther into high cost alternatives. Thank you for the post. Jim Szpajcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:50:03 -0600 (CST) From: Rod Regier Subject: Re: legislation on "inexplosive ammunition components" - Bill C-17 For those who came in late, the really ugly part of the pending legislation would classify bullets and brass as "Inexplosive ammunition components", and create another layer of bureaucracy to control transactions in same. http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-17/C - -17_1/90173b-4E.html#18 ``inexplosive ammunition component'' means any cartridge case or bullet, or any projectile that is used in a firearm as defined in section 2 of the Criminal Code; ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:56:16 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: COLUMN: Spinning the 5-year sentence http://www.nationalpost.com/components/printstory/printstory.asp?id=36FC2BFD-8556-4298-8BDE-E95A3C88E953 Spinning the 5-year sentence Edward L. Greenspan National Post Did Inderjit Singh Reyat win a victory by getting a five-year sentence for his role in the deaths of 329 Air-India passengers? Is the sentence outrageous? Has the prosecution completely lost its senses? Reyat has not even agreed to be a Crown witness. Well, possibly Reyat has no evidence to offer. Maybe the remaining two accused are innocent. Under our Constitution, they are presumed to be innocent and they just may be. Possibly, Reyat said to himself, "The Crown, on the eve of trial, has offered a five-year sentence on top of the more than 15 years I've been in jail. This sentence may have me out of jail before their three-year trial is over. Even though I'm not guilty, there is a risk I could lose. I'll take the deal." Obviously, by the Crown initiating the offer, it is suggesting that the charges against Reyat may not be supported by the facts or the evidence they have amassed. The Crown may even have lost confidence that it could prove Reyat guilty of anything. Everyone knows instinctively that plea negotiations are in the public interest. Without them, costs would skyrocket and the court system would become bogged down. But Reyat proves that there is no legal procedure that is so little understood as the plea negotiating process, nor is there one surrounded by so much controversy. It is interesting that in the agreed statement of facts, there are only five short paragraphs: three confirming what Reyat did not do and did not know; and two paragraphs admitting facts already proven at his first trial in 1991. The admitted facts demonstrate it cannot be proved: 1) that Reyat made an explosive device; 2) that he placed any explosive device on an airplane; 3) that he knew who did so; or 4) that at any time did he intend by his actions to cause the death to any person or believe that such consequences were likely to occur. The Crown conceded that unbeknownst to Reyat, the items he acquired were used by other persons to help make an explosive device that destroyed Air-India Flight 182. In light of Christie Blatchford's column yesterday, the evidence given at the first trial that Reyat acquired the items may be in serious doubt. Fortunately, in Canada, trials are about proving cases beyond a reasonable doubt on facts presented in a court of law, not rumour nor "belief" in someone's guilt. Guilt means legal guilt. Courts are concerned with legal, not moral guilt. The Crown must have conceded that Reyat had no idea that a plane would be blown up or that people would be killed. On the agreed facts, Reyat had no idea of the horrible terrorist act that would occur. The public may not like those facts, but those are the facts. And in criminal law, people are sentenced on the proven facts, not what the Crown wishes it could prove. On the admitted facts, the total sentence is probably too high. In my view, the source of the public outcry is the Crown's failure to deal honestly with the public. Once the Crown has concluded that it can't prove Reyat is a terrorist, it can't insist that he is being punished as if he were one. The consequence of not being able to prove its case is that the Crown is not entitled to seek or justify a sentence as if it had. The Crown should simply say, "We can't prove it. Five years is appropriate." But instead, it argued that "his actual sentence amounts to 25 years in prison. It's a matter of doing the appropriate math." The Crown wants to give its own loss a spin of victory and so it engages in a false numbers game. On June 10, 1991, Mr. Justice Paris stated, in sentencing Reyat, "Taking into account the circumstances including time spent in custody, I sentence you to 10 years." That time was 80 months. But the Crown needs this 80 months to get to the 25 years, a number it thinks will appease the public. And so, they double dip, when Judge Paris already took it into account 12 years ago. The Crown is embarrassed by the fact that it can't prove its case and it is its embarrassment that is upsetting the public. Instead of engaging in "Enron accounting," the Crown should inform the public that this man is not getting away with murder, because he didn't commit murder. End of story. Edward L. Greenspan, Q.C. is senior partner, Greenspan, White. © Copyright 2003 National Post ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:56:38 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: legislation on "inexplosive ammunition components" - Bill C-17 Rod Regier wrote: > > For those who came in late, the really ugly part of the pending > legislation would classify bullets and brass as "Inexplosive ammunition > components", and create another layer of bureaucracy to control transactions in > same. > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/2/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-17/C > -17_1/90173b-4E.html#18 > > ``inexplosive ammunition component'' means any cartridge case or bullet, > or any projectile that is used in a firearm as defined in section 2 of > the Criminal Code; To see a side-by-side comparison of the old and the new Explosives Act, see: http://pages.sprint.ca/akimoya/files/explosives.act.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:07:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Szpajcher" Subject: Re: the French and accordians Jim - > What the Americans are referring to is the French penchant for duplicity at > the top governmental levels. The collapse of the Third Republic and the > widespread grovelling of the Petain era can not be laid at the doorstep of the rank and > file soldier. It can, however, be laid directly at the door of the leadership > cliques. Your point is well taken. However, with the American penchant for interference in foreign government affairs, they are hardly in a position to refer to duplicity. (Anyone remember Salvador Allende, and thousands of disappeared?) With 2 American CIA agents being killed, and 2 captured in Columbia, and covert operations around the world, the Americans are pretty adept at the Big Lie. I would take anything the American Government says with a grain of salt. They are not much different from the Canadian Government or the British Government or.... well, just about any government. Jim Szpajcher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:08:42 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Hill Subject: email addy for PEI Guardian Does anyone have an e-mail addy for the PEI Guardian? Whenever I send anything to them it comes back when sent to this address, The Editor PEI Guardian letters@chg.southam.ca. This is the address on the link on Bourque.org. Jim Hill Fletchers Lake, NS [Moderator's Note: The address I have is letters@theguardian.pe.ca BNM] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:09:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Yannis Marine" Subject: Re: Four-month sentence 'pretty sad' ... (fwd) Ed wrote: >>Yanni, what you are describing is indeed liberal racism. This is the racism of a haughty elite, who believe that those minorities and "lesser" cultures should be held to a lower standard, because their culture is inferior. "Oh, those poor wogs, they don't know any better!" The liberals won't say this of course, and on the surface, probable don't believe it, but subconciously, deep down this is what their elitism has inculcated within their own "superior" class. The elite urban liberals have developed an unspoken yet well understood hierarchy of classes in Canadian society. Whether it's immigrant Jamaican Blacks, rural home-schoolers, conservatives, or gun owners, etc. etc., each of these groups and others have been assigned their place in society by the elitists. Each is expected to behave in a certain way (good or bad). These different groups perform valuable functions for our elitists: these groups are either handy victims upon whom liberal largesse is heaped (and profitted from), or handy but evil oppononents, enemies of liberal wisdom and virtue. And the liberals hate them all, because they are all "inferior". Liberalism is a creed driven by bigotry, prejudice and hate. It is a fantasy world, filled with myths, fairy-tales, evil ogres and poor but innocent victims. In their fantasmagoric world, the liberals, as always are the heroes. What a sad, sick lot!>> One more thing that it is difficult for me to accept but it is very true. If all the outlaws where locked it, how would the whole justice system survive and justify their fat wages and their fat big life savers around their bodies? from the street cop to the highest court ruler? There is an entire empire of cops, lawyers, secretaries, justices penitentiary guards and so on, so forth. Yanni Take your boaters exam online at www.yannismarine.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:10:36 -0600 (CST) From: "george w. s. adair" Subject: verify all firearms before registratin "A spokesman for the Canadian Firearms Centre denied Thursday that the government originally intended to verify all firearms before registration." These CFC people just don't seem to get the message. It matters not what the government originally intended to do. That is what is in the firearms act, each and every firearm is to be uniquely verified and identified to the owner. I had to register my firearms to protect my job or I would not have done it, but I now have a few that can not be distinguished from each other by the crap they sent me to identify them. No serial numbers, same basic models, no unique caliber. Its still crap and no amount of money will fix this. Dump it. George ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:11:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Yannis Marine" Subject: Re: Explosive Components ? >> Some slower burning powders contain small amounts of NitroCelluloise and NitroGlyserine. (As in Blue Dot Powder) which are explosive compositions-but in small amounts (combined with other compositions) will not explode but is intended to burn slowly and evenly.>>> - ---Well, to tell you the truth, Nitro Glycerine it is not explosive, it just produces a nice sweet flame, it explodes on violent impact. >> it's really none of my business, -but out of curiousity- why were the primers in the tray anyway ? -especially if someone was using a spark creating grinder nearby- and why is a grinder located in such an area -so close to your primer tray ? >>> - ---Well, again, If you want to now, I was reloading, when my sweetheart asked me to sharpen the awl for the holster she was making, the bench grinder, it is about six feet away from the reloading bench. I don't know how but it happened, that's all there is to it. Would you forgive me for being so careless? Please? Yanni Take your boaters exam online at www.yannismarine.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:11:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Civil servants may no longer swear oath to Queen I guess everybody's "cultural heritage" deserves respect and inclusion, except that of English-Canadians... http://www.nationalpost.com/utilities/story.html?id={12905DFE-6983-41E2-A504-D4A34630FD24} Civil servants may no longer swear oath to Queen Manley spokesman denies Deputy PM is behind the change: Monarchists upset Bill Curry National Post Friday, February 14, 2003 OTTAWA - Public servants will no longer declare an oath to the Queen under the Liberals' new public service reform bill, and monarchists and the Canadian Alliance are crying foul. Legislation introduced last week proposes a new oath that removes the previous "solemn affirmation of allegiance'' to the Queen, and all mention of the monarchy. John Aimers, head of the Dominion Institute, said he will be lobbying to have the Queen put back into the oath and that he suspects John Manley, the Deputy Prime Minister and a vocal critic of the monarchy, is behind the change. "It's strange," he said. "Clearly the only interpretation that could be given is that the Manley forces in Cabinet have succeeded in this small but significant way." Mr. Aimers said the government does not appear to be consistent, given that the Queen remains in the new citizenship bill that was recently introduced by Denis Coderre, the Immigration Minister. "If swearing allegiance to the sovereign stands for anything, it's surely to do with being above politics," Mr. Aimers said. "It stands for excellence, it stands for neutrality, it stands for the things that don't change as a result of an election or anything else and it's clear to me that most public servants value those things. "It fails to impress me as something that's an improvement and it can only be a political tactic by Mr. Manley, smarting after the rebukes he got -- so richly deserved -- during Jubilee year." During last year's Canadian visit by Queen Elizabeth, the Deputy Prime Minister repeated his long-held views that Canada does not need a monarchy, arguing that when the Queen's reign is over, Canada should choose its own representative, suggesting Celine Dion as a possibility. But Mike Scandiffio, a spokesman for Mr. Manley, denied the accusations, calling them "absolutely false." Daniel Grenier, a spokesman for Lucienne Robillard, the Treasury Board Minister, who introduced the bill, would not respond to accusations that Mr. Manley influenced the change. He said the new oath does not rule out the possibility of public servants adding the Queen to the oath if they want. John Williams, a Canadian Alliance MP and chairman of a committee that monitors the public service, said he, too, suspects Mr. Manley influenced the change. "He's the last guy that would want to swear an oath to the Queen, since he doesn't want a monarchy. He wants a republic," he said. "At the same time, if our public service are not required to swear to the head of state that they would execute their office to the best of their ability, then what are we as a country?" bcurry@nationalpost.com © Copyright 2003 National Post ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:17:00 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: ARTICLE: Senators with little to do decide to take vacation http://www.nationalpost.com/utilities/story.html?id={F774263B-5627-4CAE-9761-DE583BE49DB0} Senators with little to do decide to take vacation No bills to debate: After tribute to Herbert Sparrow, what's left to do? Bill Curry National Post Friday, February 14, 2003 OTTAWA - After sitting only six days this year, Canada's senators have decided to take next week off because they have nothing to do. Some committees will continue to operate, but the Upper Chamber has run out of government bills to debate and has spent much of this week debating its own motions. Senators argued for two days over "the legacy of waste during the Martin-Chrétien years" and spent another two debating whether Lawrence MacAulay quit or was fired as solicitor-general, an incident that took place last October. Elizabeth Hubley, a newly appointed Liberal Senator from Prince Edward Island, spearheaded debate on her motion regarding "discriminatory and negative perceptions surrounding the resignation of former solicitor-general Lawrence MacAulay." Ms. Hubley described Mr. MacAulay's resignation as "a very tragic and unnecessary political event" and went on to critique several newspaper articles and columns that condemned the P.E.I. minister. Sharon Carstairs, the Government Leader in the Senate, argued the week off is necessary because the House of Commons has not pas sed any bills recently. Don Boudria, the Government House Leader, said the Commons has not passed any legislation recently because of filibustering by the Canadian Alliance. Marjory LeBreton, a Progressive Conservative senator, took advantage of the downtime to move the motion on government waste. She blames the lull in the Senate on lack of new legislation being introduced by the Liberals in the House. "This is unfortunately the state of our democracy at the moment," she said. "We have a government that thinks they can do whatever they please, even if that includes nothing." Ms. LeBreton took issue with having to sit through her Liberal colleague's lament of the treatment of Mr. MacAulay. "I found that a little odd, to say the least, but I sat there. I couldn't help but think, 'My God, if the Conservative senators were to waste the time of the Senate on all of the awful things that were said and done about us, we'd have to sit around the clock.'" Several senators also spent part of Tuesday afternoon paying tribute to Herbert Sparrow on the anniversary of the Liberal's 35th year in the Senate. However, the first part of the debate focused on whether they had the right day. Then independent senator Marcel Prud'homme, who was appointed by Brian Mulroney in 1993 even though he was a Liberal MP, piped in. Mr. Prud'homme said he has been in Parliament longer than Mr. Sparrow, or anyone else, and no one has paid him any tributes. "I would point out that none of you noticed that today I commence my 40th year in Parliament, that is 40 uninterrupted years, for those who catch the nuance. It was 39 years ago last night that I was first elected," he said. "However, the dean of the Senate is Senator Sparrow and I wish to associate myself with everything that has been said about him. I respect him. He was appointed by Mr. Pearson; I was elected under Mr. Pearson; and there are not many people around here who can say that." While the House of Commons sits five days a week, usually from 10 a.m. until 6 p.m. or later, the Senate only sits from Tuesdays to Thursdays. MPs also return from the Christmas break a week earlier than senators. Of the six days the Senate has sat this year, the average daily sitting lasted about two-and-a-half hours. When told the Senate had decided to shut down for a week, Mr. Boudria blamed the Canadian Alliance. The Opposition has been filibustering legislation in protest of the government's decision not to allow all bills from backbench MPs to be voted on. "It's not the fault of the Senate if we have had two temper tantrums from the Alliance party," he said, referring to the current delays and the Alliance's procedural tactics last fall over the election of committee chairmen. "Just imagine if people tried in private enterprise, every time they don't like the work they have to do, they stop working," Mr. Boudria said. "How would the boss relate to that? The boss in this case is the Canadian people. I don't think they're very impressed with that way of working either. This stopping work because they don't like the merchandise that's in front of them." Ms. LeBreton rejected that explanation. "Don Boudria, give me a break," she said. "He'll use whatever convenient excuse pops into his head at any given moment, and I guess that's the excuse of the week this time." bcurry@nationalpost.com © Copyright 2003 National Post ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #778 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@sprint.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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