From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #792 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, February 19 2003 Volume 05 : Number 792 In this issue: Dog sniffs out suspect in Red Deer robbery Murder, suicide suspected in couple's death Husband faces charges over choking incident Column: ALTERNATIVE TO 'GUN' COULD HAVE BEEN FOUND ROBBERS DON'T TAKE A HOLIDAY My response to Chicago's Bowman Gun debate heats up again in Calgary Re: Erroneus comments made in "What a Mess..." Consensus say... (with apologies to Confucious) Re: Good for a laugh... PRIME MINISTER & CAUCHON DUCK ANOTHER QUESTION AB SEPARATION ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:10:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Dog sniffs out suspect in Red Deer robbery PUBLICATION: Calgary Herald DATE: 2003.02.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: City & Region PAGE: B2 SOURCE: Calgary Herald - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dog sniffs out suspect in Red Deer robbery - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Red Deer RCMP have laid charges after an armed robbery at a convenience store late Monday. The robbery occurred shortly after 11 p.m. at the Express 24, located at 7141 Gaetz Ave. Witnesses told police that a man walked into the store with what appeared to be a gun and demanded cash and cigarettes. The gun turned out to be an imitation, police said. Police with tracker dogs found a suspect at a nearby trailer, but he turned out to be an alleged accomplice. They later located another suspect. Joshua Timothy Reece, 19, faces charges of armed robbery involving a firearm, possession of a dangerous weapon, possession of an imitation restricted weapon and wearing a disguise during the commission of an indictable offence. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:11:13 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Murder, suicide suspected in couple's death PUBLICATION: Edmonton Journal DATE: 2003.02.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: CityPlus PAGE: B5 BYLINE: Ian Williams and Florence Loyie SOURCE: The Edmonton Journal DATELINE: EDMONTON - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Murder, suicide suspected in couple's death - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDMONTON - A Goodfish Lake couple were found dead in their van on a country road outside Lac la Biche in an apparent murder-suicide, stunned relatives said Tuesday. One relative said no one realized the 56-year-old man had been saying his goodbye to family and friends. She said the man had recently been accused of molesting a child. She said his 51-year-old wife didn't think he would kill himself. After saying goodbye to everyone, the relative said, apparently one of the man's last acts was to drop off some money for a woman in Kikino at about 7:30 a.m. Tuesday. Ninety minutes later, police were called to a country road southeast of Lac la Biche. The names of the dead couple have not been released pending notification of next-of-kin, said RCMP. The bodies were brought to Edmonton to the medical examiner's office where autopsies and cause of death will be determined, said police. But a relative from Goodfish Lake said, "He turned the gun on her and then turned it on himself." The family was shocked at the news, said the relative. "They've been married at least 20 or 30 years." In 1994, the couple's son was sentenced to 10 years for stabbing his 39-year-old wife to death in their Beaver Lake reserve home. The Goodfish Lake couple's other son was killed in 1996 during a Calgary Stampede chuckwagon race, he said. iwilliams@thejournal.canwest.com floyie@thejournal.canwest.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:11:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Husband faces charges over choking incident PUBLICATION: The Record (Waterloo Region) DATE: 2003.02.19 SECTION: Local PAGE: B2 SOURCE: RECORD STAFF BYLINE: DIANNE WOOD DATELINE: KITCHENER - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Husband faces charges over choking incident - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Kitchener man who allegedly tied his wife to a chair and menaced her with a gun years ago was held in custody earlier this week on charges that he recently choked and threatened to kill her. Radisav Jovanovic was denied bail Monday in Kitchener's Ontario Court. Justice of the peace Jeannette DeJong said if Jovanovic was released, there was a strong likelihood he would commit another crime and his wife's safety could be in jeopardy. In outlining the Crown's case against Jovanovic, Crown prosecutor Mike Murdoch presented evidence as gathered by police. He said Jovanovic and his wife have been married 13 years. They came to Canada from Croatia a year and a half ago. Jovanovic has physically and mentally abused his wife throughout their marriage, Murdoch said. In 1994, when she was two months pregnant, he tied her to a chair, assaulted her and held a gun to her for several hours, the Crown says. She later lost the baby. The latest charges relate to an incident on Jan. 18 when Jovanovic was drunk, Murdoch said. At 12:30 a.m., he argued with his wife about phone calls she had received. He grabbed her by the hair with two hands, court heard. She ran to their children's bedroom, then to another apartment unit in the Fairway Road building where they lived. Five minutes later, her husband burst into that apartment, saying, "I'm going to call the police, but first I'm going to beat and kill you." He refused to leave when the occupant asked him to. Jovanovic then slapped his wife across the face, grabbed her by the hair and pulled her out into the hallway. She escaped and ran back to the apartment. He caught her and started choking her with two hands around her neck. An occupant of another apartment intervened and got the wife safely inside. When police arrived, Jovanovic was still waiting outside the apartment. He was arrested and released on bail with the condition that he not contact his wife. However, Murdoch said, he used a third party to pass a message along to his wife and several people who had witnessed the incidents. The message was that his wife and the witnesses should change their story or he would be in jail for a long time. Jovanovic has been charged with obstructing justice for that action. He also faces charges of assault, choking, uttering threats, forcible entry and disobeying a court order. Murdoch said Jovanovic follows his wife whenever she goes out and harasses her with phone calls. Jovanovic's lawyer said the allegations are serious, but will be dealt with at trial, especially the incident in Croatia. He will return to court on March 11. dwood@therecord.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:14:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: ALTERNATIVE TO 'GUN' COULD HAVE BEEN FOUND PUBLICATION: The London Free Press DATE: 2003.02.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: Opinion Pages PAGE: A13 BYLINE: SARAH RUTTAN, LONDON FREELANCE WRITER - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALTERNATIVE TO 'GUN' COULD HAVE BEEN FOUND - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The tiny community of Lombardy in Eastern Ontario was recently put on the map after parents of a Grade 1 pupil complained about the suitability of the word "gun" on a spelling test their daughter had brought home from school. Mark and Amanda Sousa were startled the word was one of 10 on the weekly spelling test of Chloe, 7. Neither parent thought it was appropriate for the Grade 1 class at Lombardy public school and knew of at least a dozen alternative words. Amanda sat down and composed a letter to the teacher, which was ignored. Later in the week, Chloe's list included pictures, so a pistol accompanied the word gun. In a knee-jerk decision, the Upper Canada District school board took the word "gun" from all school spelling lists in the board. The decision was quickly reversed after public outcry demanded the word remain in all schools, including Lombardy . The media picked up on the story with the sort of zest reserved for a politician caught with his pants down-- either literally or metaphorically speaking. The Sousas have been beaten up badly by critics from radio talk show hosts to newspaper columnists, and by people around the globe that read the initial story that ran on the Web sites of the Ottawa Citizen and the National Post. As a parent, I find myself sympathetic towards the Sousas' plight and, more importantly, I feel they had a legitimate complaint: Is the word "gun" really an integral part of the curriculum of a seven-year-old? "I'm still in shock over the uproar this has caused," said Amanda Sousa from her home in Lombardy. "I didn't ask for a school-wide ban. I questioned the appropriateness of it on my little girl's spelling test." Would you buy a book entitled A Is for Apple, G Is for Gun? (No, I wouldn't, would you?) As much flack as the Sousas have taken -- the responses to the story on the Ottawa Citizen's Web site border on threatening -- they remain steadfast in their belief another word could have been used. They were trying to protect their daughter from a word they don't feel is particularly useful in a child's everyday life. And most parents I know feel protecting their children is as instinctive as birds flying south each winter. Yes, we hear the word all the time -- even more now since this story broke - -- and in many contexts, like glue gun and staple gun. But these were not the pictures the teacher provided her class with. Our world is violent enough without Grade 1 students carrying around a picture of a pistol. One of the most popular toy stores in London, The Toy Shoppe of London, does not sell any violent toys, including guns. While Clyde Walton, who owns the store along with his wife, Rose, was not aware of the story, he certainly has an opinion about guns and their suitability as toys for young children. "It's a conscious decision my wife, Rose, who is a kindergarten teacher, and I made, when we opened the store 10 years ago, not to sell toy guns," he said. "We prefer to sell peaceful, co-operative, educational toys, and no one complains." Apparently, in the Sousas' case at least, complaining got them even farther from their goal of having the word dropped from the spelling test. "It's the board's decision if they want to include the word 'gun' or not. Whether I agree with it or not makes no difference," said Amanda, adding last week Chloe came home with a list of 10 words that began with the letter "h." "I was happy they had moved on and ecstatic the list didn't include hand grenade." Evidently the experience hadn't robbed Amanda of her sense of humour, which, I think, entitles her to have the last word on the matter: "Believe me, this will be the last thing you ever catch me gunning for." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:14:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: ROBBERS DON'T TAKE A HOLIDAY PUBLICATION: The Edmonton Sun DATE: 2003.02.19 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: 14 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBBERS DON'T TAKE A HOLIDAY - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The downtown Alligator Pie Kidswear store was robbed by a crook packing a seven-inch hunting knife - one of six heists this holiday Monday, say cops. A man armed with the seven-inch blade fled with cash from the 10180 101 St. kidswear store about 2:40 p.m. Monday, police said. The robbery was one of a string of Monday heists that had cops hopping. Around 1 a.m., police said, a gun-toting bandit swiped smokes, lotto tickets and phone cards from a 7-Eleven near 126 Avenue and Fort Road. He walked into the store, asked for some cigarettes, then pulled out a handgun when the clerk asked him for ID. A knife-toting robber stole cash and cigarettes from a Petro-Canada gas station, 9936 109 St., just before 7:30 a.m., after a bank card he had was declined, cops said. About 9 a.m., a knife-toting man took off with cash from the Magic Lanterns Theatres, 10337 82 Ave., said police. Shortly after 11 p.m. Monday, cops said, a couple of bandits fled with smokes, money, and lotto tickets from the Mac's store at 5904 153 Ave. The crooks were spotted leaving in an older-model brown car. Then, just after noon, a man with a knife held up the Roots store in the downtown Eaton Centre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:17:09 -0600 (CST) From: Maurice Curtis Subject: My response to Chicago's Bowman Mr. Bowman: Re: Your article- "Hunters need to separate themselves from gun nuts." Sorry, Mr. Bowman, divide and conquer has been a well-used and successful method of conquest for centuries. I will stand with the "gun nuts" rather than the hypocrites. However, there are lots of hypocrites so you will not be alone either. cheers Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:18:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun debate heats up again in Calgary CFCNplus.ca http://www.cfcnplus.ca/servlet/RTGAMArticleHTMLTemplate/B/20030218/guns?bran d=generic&hub=&tf=CFCNPlus/generic/hubs/frontpage.html&cf=CFCNPlus/generic/h ubs/frontpage.cfg&slug=guns&date=20030218&archive=CFCNPlus&ad_page_name=&nav =home&subnav=fullstory Gun debate heats up again in Calgary POSTED AT 4:12 PM Tuesday, February 18 There was another incident involving a gun in Calgary overnight. Someone threatened a man with a handgun and stole his sport utility vehicle. We're hearing more and more about guns being used during crimes in Calgary. Police say the only way to stop it is to set tougher penalties. Police are finding many illegal weapons in the hands of criminals on Calgary streets. "If people want guns, they're always going to be able to get the guns and, unfortunately, those people are the ones that get the guns for the wrong reasons. Not a lot we can do about it, do the best we can, but I think it all boils down to stiffer penalties, get the people off the street, the guns go with them," said Dale Burn, Calgary Police Service. John Buchko has two registered firearms, and agrees with city police. "Keep the criminals in jail longer; don't let them out so quick. That's the problem right there, and of course they're too lenient these days. Lock them up for good; some of those guys," said Buchko. Gun owners like George Fairs said money spent on the National Gun Registry program could have been better used to fight crime. "A billion dollars could put a whack of police officers on the street to deal with the gang-related crime. It's gang-related crime, it's drug-related crime and it has nothing to do with people like me who hunt or target shoot," said Fairs. The owner of a southeast gun shop believes handguns, being used by criminals, are being smuggled into the country, and are easy to get. "They're illegal firearms from the get go. They're not in the registry, they likely will never be in the registry, they change hands without the government having any knowledge of where they are or why they're there, and they're used by criminals," said James Bachynsky, The Shooting Edge. City police say so far it appears the groups involved in the shootings have known each other, and that we've been lucky no bystanders have been wounded or killed. Police do track registered guns. Calgary police have set up a national weapons enforcement team. It's part of a federal program where law-enforcement agencies across Canada work together to track firearms. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:19:31 -0600 (CST) From: "E. John Wilson" Subject: Re: Erroneus comments made in "What a Mess..." Subject: Erroneous comments made in "What a Mess..." It is unfortunate that the remarks were erroneously attributed but the reality of the statements stand. Things are seriously out of alignment in society. That priorities and values have changed dramatically is undeniable. A trap too easily fallen into by both believers and non-believers is to quote the Bible out of context without specific reference to chapter and verse. It doesn't stand up in logical debate and usually ends up in embarrassment for both sides. A faith based stance is above polemics and becomes demeaned in the process of arguing it's validity with a secularly minded individual. Its 'lose-lose' and unworthy of both parties. Todd Birch Merritt,BC My apologies re: "what a Mess...", I received the note and agreed with the sentiment but I didn't check it's validity. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:20:31 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Adams" Subject: Consensus say... (with apologies to Confucious) > Bruce wrote: > > > >The Federal Lieberals have withdrawn their motion to ram through > >C-10. > > > >So, now what? Well, I guess that was part of the question - just what *is* the "right thing" with respect to this legislation? It has some good things, like extending the "grandfathering" for 12(6) handguns from 1995 to 1998, but it has some "bad" things like the provisions for muzzle energy for firearms. Do we have a consensus about what the right thing actually is? Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario Well, *I* for one... (if there are any Liberal "trolls", spies or lurkers out there)... would be happy to see the following.... 1. Registry = GONE. The exercise of tracking EVERY individual firearm when you already KNOW who should have or leagally possess them is not really a cost-effective exercise (as we have seen). 2. Firearms licences = REMAIN (Along with regular background checks on renewal) - I don't think ANYONE can reasonably argue that as long as you can show every 5 years that you are still a responsible and law-abiding member of society it shouldn't matter WHAT you have. 3. ACTUALLY ENFORCE the existing penalties for convictions where firearms are used. Sentences to be served CONSECUTIVELY to any other one imposed. REMOVE the discretion of the Crown to withdraw or bargain away the added offences with respect to the possession or use of a firearm in the commission of an offence. As a sidebar - if you are in Canada ILLEGALLY or on a visa and use a firearm in the commission of an offence, you are OUT of the country on the next plane/boat/train IMMEDIATELY after conviction. No appeal, no Immigration hearing. OUT. PERIOD. GONE. No return. EVER. 4. FIX the 12(6) thing already. I am waiting to take delivery of a S&W Model 10 once the date is adjusted and my grandfathering is confirmed! It's PAID FOR even... Jeez... 5. Lets RIP APART the Firearms Act with a view to ensuring that the Charter Rights are respected, the law-abiding recreational firearms communtity is respected, and the safety of all Canadians is ensured by making sure that the Act is CLEAR, CONCISE and COMPLETE. For my money (and let's be clear here - it IS my money - and YOURS) the only way #5 will work is with REAL and HONEST consultation between the people in office and the owners/users of firearms. No more BS from the "experts" who gave us C-68 and the subsequent tinkering. I don't know the "who's" or the "how's" of setting up the process, but I DO know what will NOT work... We just spent $1 BILLION DOLLARS on it.... Anyone else? Thoughts? Professor Dorens? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:21:07 -0600 (CST) From: "MCNEIL, DAVE" Subject: Re: Good for a laugh... I found this article much more disturbing: http://www.cpa-acp.ca/legislation/briefs/2003/RATIONALE%20FOR%20CPA%20SUPPORT_formatted.pdf Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:22:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: PRIME MINISTER & CAUCHON DUCK ANOTHER QUESTION 37th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION EDITED HANSARD * NUMBER 062 Tuesday, February 18, 2003 Firearms Registry Mr. Howard Hilstrom (Selkirk-Interlake, Canadian Alliance): Mr. Speaker, the Prime Minister's attempt to force every Canadian to register their rifles and shotguns has been a dismal billion dollar failure. Canadians living in Nunavut have a court order saying that they do not have to register their firearms. First nations people have said they will not register as it is against their treaty rights. Hundreds of thousands of law-abiding Canadians have not registered as of January 1 and have sworn that they never will. My question is for the Prime Minister. Instead of forcing firearms registration on some Canadians and not on others, why does he not treat everyone equally and repeal the gun registration law? Hon. Martin Cauchon (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the member should come on side with the government and talk about Canadian values and public safety as well. In terms of numbers, I must mention in the House that 1.9 million owners' licences have been issued, 6 million guns registered, 9,000 licences revoked or refused to potentially dangerous individuals, and police forces are using the registry 2,000 times per day. We are talking about values. The government is firmly committed to keep proceeding with gun control and this is exactly what we will do. * * * REALITY CHECK FOR CAUCHON (1) Even Justice Department estimates show 540,000 gun owners don't have a firearms licence. They can't register their guns without a licence. (2) More than 5 million of the registered guns haven't been "verified" as promised by the Justice Minister and 78% of the registration certificates have entries that are either blank or marked unknown. (3) The Justice Minister didn't need to register one gun to refuse and revoke 9,000 firearms licences. (4) The Justice Minister declares these 9,000 are "potentially dangerous" but fails to require any of them to report their change of address to the police. Only law-abiding, valid firearms licence holders have to do this or face up to two years in jail. (5) The Justice Minister trots out his 2,000 police enquiries a day but refuses to divulge the police success rate for getting any useful information from the registry. Meanwhile, the Regina City Police say they don't use the registry very much and Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino says: "A law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them." TOP TEN REASONS WHY THE LIBERALS' GUN REGISTRY COST ESTIMATES ARE INCOMPLETE AND INACCURATE http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/firearmsfacts2.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:44:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Richard A. Fritze" Subject: AB SEPARATION Klein denies threatening separation 'It's a warning': Throne Speech questions Alberta's role in Confederation Charlie Gillis National Post Wednesday, February 19, 2003 EDMONTON - The Alberta government used its provincial Throne Speech yesterday to issue what many interpreted as a veiled separation threat, warning that Ottawa has "compromised" the province's ability to play a meaningful role in Confederation. Members of the provincial assembly cheered and thumped their desks as Lieutenant-Governor Lois Hole read one passage of the speech, written by the provincial government for the opening of the legislative session. It was a blunt rebuke of perceived federal arrogance, and provided a possible omen of more confrontations to come between the two governments. "Albertans want to be full and equal partners in Canada, but true partnership is only possible when all parties are respected and valued for what they bring to the table," the speech said. "Alberta's ability to be a partner in Canada is compromised by the current federal government, which often does not listen to the people of this province." While Alberta remains committed to Canada, the speech insisted the province will defend its interest in the face of federal intrusion. "This government remains committed to protecting Albertans' interests nationally. It will continue to press the federal government to make a genuine effort to deal with Albertans' concerns and ensure that their priorities are addressed fairly and genuinely. It will do everything in its power to protect Alberta's economy and make certain that provincial jurisdiction is respected." Ralph Klein, the Premier, denied using the speech to threaten to separate from Canada, describing the excerpt instead as a caution and an appeal for inclusiveness. "I think it's a warning," he said. "I don't know what we're going to do, other than continue to press the federal government to listen to our concerns, to pay attention to Albertans and to understand what a tremendous asset this province is to Confederation." The passage was also a logical outgrowth of recent confrontations between Ottawa and Alberta over climate change, health care and the Canadian Wheat Board, Mr. Klein said. snip Full story at: http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?id={5F34CE23-4CC7-4EB8-845F-BA2E DB2185C8} Richard A. Fritze Barrister & Solicitor Tel. 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