From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #980 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, April 16 2003 Volume 05 : Number 980 In this issue: Cancer death rate nearly unchanged over 30 years re: bear galls Re: Duty to protect Police Officer attacked by man with screwdriver Groups hit schools to bolster student voting Club Insurance source Re: Crossposting/multiposting Re: Crossposting/multiposting Gopher Killer WHO NEEDS PARLIAMENT TO CHANGE AN ACT OF PARLIAMENT? Tinnitis From The Mouths of Babes... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:38:03 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Cancer death rate nearly unchanged over 30 years Here is some more info about cancer deaths. http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/04/16/cancer_stats030416 C B C . C A N e w s - F u l l S t o r y : Cancer death rate nearly unchanged over 30 years Last Updated Wed Apr 16 12:16:49 2003 HALIFAX-- Canadians continue to die of cancer at about the same rate they did nearly 30 years ago, after decades of hearing that cancer can be beaten. BACKGROUNDER: Cancer A comparison of the Canadian Cancer Society's statistics from 1974 to those from 2002, shows the improvement in death rates is small. For men, the death rate dropped from 229.2 deaths per 100,000 to 225.3. There is a startling gender difference in lung cancer, which kills more people than any other cancer. The lung cancer death rate for men has dropped 17 per cent since 1988, while for women it has increased by 46 per cent. "There have been breakthroughs in a few kinds of cancer, like childhood leukemia and some of the lymphomas," said Dr. Richard Schabas at York Central Hospital. "But with the most common cancers, the ones that are the really big killers, progress has been very slow indeed." In 1974, the Cancer Society recorded 152.5 deaths for every 100,000 women. In 2002, the rate was 150.8 per 100,000. Schabas was involved in shaping Ontario's cancer fighting strategy. He says even with advances in detection and treatment, the chances of survival haven't improved all that much. The Canadian Cancer Society says the picture isn't so gloomy. It says the progress made in fighting breast and prostate cancers has been offset by the still-rising rates of death for lung cancer among women. INDEPTH: Prostate Cancer "Women's smoking rates began to drop in the late '80s," said Dr. Barbara Whylie of the Canadian Cancer Society. "We're hoping that we're also going to see a reverse in trends in lung cancer among women in the next decade." Written by CBC News Online staff Copyright © 2003 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - All Rights Reserved ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:13:25 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Snow Subject: re: bear galls > From: Jim Powlesland > Subject: Re: bear gall bladders > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Ron White wrote: > > >> Would the bears not be better served by supplying the Asian market >> with legally acquired bear galls thereby increasing supply and >> driving down the price and killing the poachers trade. > > > Nonsense. Bear gall bladders are equivalent of Viagra in Asia. > > You could shoot every bear in North America and it still would not > supply the demand. > Nonsense. Viagra is the equivalent of viagra in Asia which is why the demand for elk velvet dropped to nothing the same year viagra hit the market. Barry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:39:41 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Duty to protect Michael Ackermann wrote: > This is as it should be. Along with our right to life comes our duty to > protect our lives proactively and reactively. The best proactive defense > is living the "straight and narrow" as most victims of violence bring > on their own demise through bad lifestyle choices. > > Those of us who are randomly targeted by criminals should and do have > the absolute right to self defense whether-or-not the State chooses to > recognize it. > > I do not hold it against the police that they canot be everywhere all > the time. I only wish that when honest decent folk start thinking about > assuming responsibility for their own defense the police wouldn't get so > defensive and admit their own limitations. Exactly right. We, the individual citizens, cede some of our power and authority to the State in order for the State to achieve such things as would normally be beyond the ability of each individual to accomplish on their own. This is from where the State derives the power and authority to impose laws and enforce them. We do not, however, under any circumstances, cede any of our *rights* to the State, nor is it legally empowerd to infringe upon them willy nilly. Rights must be treated as absolute, and the threshold the State has to cross to infringe upon them must be set as high as possible so as to make it almost impossible to do so. Otherwise such rights become merely suggestions, to be traded away at the bargaining table, and trampled with impunity by the State. The State, and their agents, will always seek to expand its power, and this always comes at the expense of the rights of the individual. It is always in the interest of the State to attempt to gain a monopoly on the legal use of force, and never in the interest of the individual. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:45:08 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Police Officer attacked by man with screwdriver http://www.newswire.ca/releases/April2003/16/c1687.html Peel Regional Police - Police Officer attacked by man with screwdriver BRAMPTON, ON, April 15 /CNW/ - On Monday, April 14, 2003, a member of the Peel Regional Police 22 Division Neighbourhood Policing Unit was attacked by a man armed with a screwdriver, in the area of Railroad Street and Elizabeth Street. At around 12:14 p.m., police investigated three suspicious males in a used car lot. During the investigation, one of the males produced a screwdriver and attempted to stab one of the officers. The officer was able to fend off the attack and disarm the assailant. The second male then fled the scene and was observed discarding a handgun. The third male also fled and all three were captured a short distance away. Police seized a loaded 9 mm Beretta pistol after the arrest. The officer suffered minor defensive wounds to his hand. Randy ROBINSON, 18 years, of Elgin Drive, Brampton, is charged with Carry Concealed Weapon, Weapons Dangerous, Assault with a Weapon, Assault Police Officer and Assault with Intent to Resist Arrest. Jerome Michael NEWMAN, 21 years, of Jane Street, Toronto, is charged with Carry Concealed Weapon, Weapons Dangerous, Careless Use of a Firearm, Unauthorized Possession of a Firearm, Possession of a Prohibited Device, Knowledge of Unauthorized Possession of a Firearm, Knowledge of Unauthorized Possession of a Prohibited Device, Possession of Prohibited Firearm with Ammunition, Tampering with Serial Number of a Firearm, Breach of Probation and four counts of Possession of a Prohibited Firearm Contrary to Prohibition. Both accused will appear for their bail hearing at the Ontario Court of Justice in Brampton, on Tuesday, April 15, 2003. The third man, who is wanted on an outstanding Immigration Warrant, was turned over to Waterloo Regional Police. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:56:05 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Groups hit schools to bolster student voting http://www.yorkregion.com/yr/newscentre/thornhill/story/1002012p-1198611c.html Groups hit schools to bolster student voting Mitchell Brown, Staff Writer 04/13/03 00:00:00 Michelle Oliel is not a typical young person and she would likely be the first to admit it. Currently completing her final year at York University, the 21-year-old Thornhill resident is recruitment director for the Ontario Young Liberals. She joined the party in 2000, when the last federal election found her volunteering for Liberal MP Elinor Caplan's campaign. "It was a passion to change things that I felt were wrong with the system from within and also to support a party that I feel best reflects my ideals and how I want Canada and Ontario to be," she said. Today, there's no mistaking the enthusiasm for the cause in her voice, but her tone shifts slightly when she talks about how few young people get actively involved in politics. "I think only about 4 per cent (of young people) are affiliated with mainstream parties, while 11 per cent are affiliated with special-interest groups," she said. "It tells us that, for some reason, they don't feel we're adequately dealing with the problems, so we have to reach out to young people to let them know that you have to come in to make a change." To be fair, it's not just young people who seem to be growing disinterested in politics. Only 61 per cent of eligible voters turned out to vote in the 2000 federal election, down from 67 per cent in 1997. Ontario's last provincial election, in 1999, saw only 58.3 per cent of eligible voters at the polling stations, a drop of more than six percentage points from 1990 and the lowest turnout since 1929. It's a trend that concerns Taylor Gunn and it's why he founded Kids Voting Canada, a non-partisan effort to introduce high school students to the electoral process. When Premier Ernie Eves calls the next provincial election, which may happen as early as this spring, Mr. Gunn and his team will spring into action, sending curriculum guides and ballots to more than 250 schools, giving more than 250,000 high school and elementary students the opportunity to vote for candidates in their ridings. Those cast by students younger than 18 won't count, but results will be published to show how the election would have gone if their ballots had been included. "What we're doing is providing them with an opportunity they've never had before, an opportunity for their voice to be recognized in public," Mr. Gunn said. "That's what the students love about this; they're getting the same ballot as adult voters." Mr. Gunn, 25, has spent the past year and a half travelling across the province, presenting his program to students and educators. So far, the response has been encouraging. "I think it's really good because it will really show everyone -- not just the parties, but also the public -- how youth are not dumb and we have the power to make an educated vote," said Radhika Ray, an OAC student at Unionville High School and student trustee with the York Region District School Board. Rob Butters, head of history at Stouffville District Secondary School, said he likes the idea becauseit brings a real-world experience into the classroom and he bristles at the suggestion young people don't care about politics. "Some of them do and some of them already feel like they can't make a difference," he said. "No matter what happens with the results, if it's different from who the adult voters elect ... either way, by the time the next election takes place, this could be a huge bloc of voters that will know this is the thing to do." With registrations still pouring in and his team scrambling to get material out to every school that's interested in taking part, Mr. Gunn is far busier than even he expected. He will certainly be one person who will be relieved when Mr. Eves drops the writ. "The partnerships are there, we're ready to go, we're just waiting for the call," he said. In the meantime, his team is also thinking beyond the election, looking for ways to get young people involved in November's municipal elections and, perhaps, even the next federal election that may be called next year. For now, though, the provincial election, whenever it happens, will be the students' first chance to speak out. "Hopefully, the day after (the election) we can open the door up to a lot of knocks saying, 'Oh wow, you showed us this can work,'" Mr. Gunn said. To learn more about Kids Voting Canada, visit www.kidsvotingcanada.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:56:29 -0600 (CST) From: sparkplug Subject: Club Insurance source Howdy; There were some recent posts regarding various sources of "club" insurance which I deleted by mistake. Would someone be good enough to direct me or repost this info? thx Rick in Bruce Mines ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:36:33 -0600 (CST) From: sparkplug Subject: Re: Crossposting/multiposting Where can one find the written instructions (suitable for forwarding)for joining/subscribing to firearms and chat? thx in adv Rick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:46:54 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Crossposting/multiposting sparkplug wrote: > > Where can one find the written instructions (suitable for forwarding)for > joining/subscribing to firearms and chat? > > thx in adv > Rick Done. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:15:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Hondatoy Automotive Ltd." Subject: Gopher Killer I live on a small acreage in Strathcona County, we are not allowed to use a 22 for controlling the Gophers. Looks like we are in for a bad year. Can anyone suggest a good accurate pellet gun that would be effective. Not worried about the FPS limits, am licensed. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:17:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: WHO NEEDS PARLIAMENT TO CHANGE AN ACT OF PARLIAMENT? WHO NEEDS PARLIAMENT TO CHANGE AN ACT OF PARLIAMENT? THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE DID IT ALL BY ORDERS IN COUNCIL! Section 2 of the Firearms Act defines "Federal Minister" as the Minister of Justice. The Firearms Act is riddled with references to the Federal Minister and his authority under the Act (i.e. Regulations, Orders in Council, Safety Courses, Forms, etc, etc). On March 14, 2003, the lawyers in the Library of Parliament wrote to Garry Breitkreuz, MP: "It is unclear if this statute of general application [Public Service Rearrangement and Transfer of Duties Act] can be used to redefine the Minister responsible in statutes of specific application such as the Royal Canadian Mint Act. The issue becomes more acute when the statute as set out in the Justice Canada's website defines the Minister as one person but, in reality, that Minister is someone else entirely." - ---------------------------------------------- 2003-0556 2003-04-11 PMO Public Service Rearrangement and Transfer of Duties Act Transfer, from the Department of Justice to the Solicitor General of Canada, of the control and supervision of that portion of the public service within the Department of Justice known as the CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE, effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SI/2003-0096 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&page=2&OICKey=59553 - ----------------------------------------------- 2003-0557 2003-04-11 PMO Financial Administration Act Order Amending Schedule I.1 to the Act by replacing the reference to the "Minister of Justice" by a reference to the "SOLICITOR GENERAL OF CANADA", effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SOR/2003-0146 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&page=2&OICKey=59554 - --------------------------------------------- 2003-0558 2003-04-11 PMO Public Service Staff Relations Act Order Amending SCHEDULE I to the PUBLIC SERVICE STAFF RELATIONS ACT by adding the Canadian Firearms Centre, effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SOR/2003-0147 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&page=2&OICKey=59555 - ---------------------------------------------- 2003-0559 2003-04-11 PMO Access to Information Act Order Amending SCHEDULE I to the ACCESS TO INFORMATION ACT by adding thereto the CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE, effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SOR/2003-0148 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&OICKey=59556 - ------------------------------------------------ 2003-0560 2003-04-11 PMO Public Service Employment Act Order designating the CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE as a "department" and its Chief Executive Officer as "deputy head" for the purposes of this Act, effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SI/2003-0097 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&OICKey=59557 - ------------------------------------------------ 2003-0561 2003-04-11 PMO Privacy Act Order Amending the SCHEDULE to the PRIVACY ACT by adding thereto the CANADIAN FIREARMS CENTRE, effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SOR/2003-0149 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&OICKey=59558 - --------------------------------------------------- 2003-0562 2003-04-11 PMO Access to Information Act Order Amending the ACCESS TO INFORMATION ACT HEADS OF GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS DESIGNATION ORDER by designating the Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Firearms Centre as "head" of that institution for the purpose of the Act, effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SI/2003-0098 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&OICKey=59559 - ------------------------------------------- 2003-0563 2003-04-11 PMO Privacy Act Order Amending the PRIVACY ACT HEADS OF GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS DESIGNATION ORDER by designating the Chief Executive Officer of the Canadian Firearms Centre as "head" for the purposes of that Act, effective April 14, 2003. Registration: SI/2003-0099 http://www.pco-bcp.gc.ca/oic-ddc/OIC-DDC.asp?lang=EN&txtOICID=&txtFromDate=& txtToDate=&txtPrecis=&txtDepartment=&cboDepartment=210&txtAct=&txtChapterNo= &txtChapterYear=&txtBillNo=&txtTBMinuteNumber=&rdoComingIntoForce=&DoSearch= Search+%2F+List&OICKey=59560 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:26:14 -0600 (CST) From: "T.Bennett Finley" Subject: Tinnitis It may be of interest that the only treatment for tinnitis that I know has worked for many people is the "Tomatis Ear" (spelling may not be correct as I don't have my reference material on hand) This treatment originally developed by Dr. Tomatis in Europe and I believe there is a place in Toronto, also in Regina that does this treatment. Essentially and very briefly the treatment consists of several hours per day spent listening to music over a very Hi-Fi system. The music (classical) has been altered to remove all the low tones leaving only the higher frequencies. I won't (can't) go into the theory of why this is supposed to work but apparently it does. Something like 6 hours per day for several weeks of listening is required. Some people have reported good results in using this same treatment for children with ADS. I only know of one case of this myself. In the 80's a Saskatchewan woman, a Patricia Joudry, worked with a couple of the Fathers at the Monastery East of Humboldt, Sk. to take this altered music and put it on metal tape cassettes and use these with very high quality Walkman portable tape players (must go over 15000 Hertz - most Walkman type only go to 12000 but Sony did have a couple that went over 15000). She did use these herself and marketed a set of 4 for around $100.00. I did have a set and used them on long drives in Northern Sask. But my problem was loss of hearing (so called nerve deafness) and it was just a faint hope on my part. Did not help hearing loss but then I may not have been diligent enough in the application. Patricia wrote a book on her work and I imagine some libraries have a copy. I did, but loaned it to some native people in the North and neglected to get it back. T.Bennett Finley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:09:39 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: From The Mouths of Babes... Jim Hill wrote: > papers. While in class one day one of his teachers made a comment about > gun control and the lad spoke up and said that if the government was > really concerned about women they would drop the registry and put the > money toward Breast cancer research. Apparently in one of the letters I > had written, I made reference to the paltry amount of money Health > Minister Alan Rock had just committed to that purpose over a ten year > period, yet while Justice Minister he had committed close to a billion > on something that would benefit no one. > The teacher apparently told him he did not know what he was talking > about and that his facts were wrong on the amount spent on breast cancer > research. This man's wife is apparently a Mountie! David was about to > argue his point but the teacher told him he did not have the time. Nice > side step! > David has decided to write a paper on the matter complete with references. A number of things... First, I believe Dr Boris-with-the-unspellable-last-name and Dr. Mike Ackermann have both covered this issue exceedingly well in the past, and I would expect they are most likely to have those numbers closest to their fingertips. Equally important as the information is a creditable cite to include with the figures ie Stats Can or a government department press release, response to an MP's inquiry, etc. Second, to me this goes beyond the gun control debate. Schools are theoretically a place that encourages scholarship, research, logic, and reasoned debate. If this were my son, I would encourage him to write this paper - assisting him to find sources where necessary but letting him write the paper entirely on his own. In other words, his thoughts, opinions, and words, not mine. He is the scholar here, after all. I would encourage him to do it in a timely manner while the matter is still fresh in everyone's minds - say a week at most. And then I would take my son and I would go to see the school principal. I would tell him I most strenously objected to having a teacher simply tell a student he didn't know what he was talking about regarding a civic issue and then cut off any rebuttal by saying "he didn't have time". I would tell that principal that I expected that teacher to give my son five or ten minutes during that next class to bring up the issue, the reminder that the teacher said he "didn't know what he was talking about", and the opportunity to present his research - complete with all the impeccible cited sources, of course. I would of course tell the principal that the teacher was more than welcome to then have ten minutes in turn to support their original claim that my son "didn't know what he was talking about", or discredit the cites. Failing that, the teacher would be more than welcome to do the adult and decent thing and offer my son a public apology. I would tell that principal - and that teacher - that I was equally sure they would applaud my son's scholarship, civic awareness, and integrity in standing up for what he believed in. And I intended to be there at the time my son delivered his paper as a proud parent supporting my son's effort and integrity... And then I would see what they said. If they wouldn't go for it, I would raise so much hell with the school board they would wish they had. I don't think any school or schoolboard relishes seeing picketers outside their schools saying "This school suppresses the freedom of speech of students", "This school propagandizes our children", "This school stifles freedom of thought", etc... We had a similar incident up here where a teacher raved at her class about the evils of hunting - in a town where probably 70% or more of the homes have hunters. In that case, a child's complaint at home about "Dad killing Bambi" resulted in the FATHER doing the research and demanding equal time to present it to the class. Which he got, incidentally. And an apology... Don't let this one go. This is how the seeds of firearms prohibitionists are sown. And for those of you that have the information - with cited official sources - that this lad needs, I hope you get it to him as quickly as possible. There is a classroom of kids out there that a teacher is turning into more of the anti-firearm crowd. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V5 #980 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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