From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #128 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Wednesday, June 4 2003 Volume 06 : Number 128 In this issue: Ontario, Nova Scotia won't enforce gun law: Join Western opposition: N.B. won't ignore gun laws; Province won't follow Nova Scotia's lead COST OF ENFORCING THE GUN REGISTRY JUST WENT UP Ontario joins protest Federal crime unit called underfunded, poorly managed: To feed the hungry FW: Michael Bliss column ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:25:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Ontario, Nova Scotia won't enforce gun law: Join Western opposition: NOTE: Versions of this article also appeared in: The Ottawa Citizen (Front Page), The Regina Leader Post, The Edmonton Journal, The Calgary Herald, Victoria Times Colonist, Saskatoon Star Phoenix, PUBLICATION: National Post DATE: 2003.06.04 EDITION: National SECTION: Politics PAGE: A6 COLUMN: Firearms Registry: In Toronto, In Ottawa BYLINE: April Lindgren and Tim Naumetz SOURCE: CanWest News Service DATELINE: TORONTO; OTTAWA ILLUSTRATION: Black & White Photo: Jonathan Hayward, The Canadian Press /Wayne Easter, the Solicitor-General, said yesterday Ottawa will rely on the RCMP to enforce the new gun registry act because five provinces -- Ontario, Nova Scotia, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba -- have said they won't prosecute gun owners who fail to register their weapons. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ontario, Nova Scotia won't enforce gun law: Join Western opposition: Provinces say they won't prosecute owners who miss June 30 deadline - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- TORONTO and OTTAWA - The Ontario government is joining Nova Scotia and three Western provinces in refusing to prosecute people who have not registered rifles or shotguns by July 1 as required by the federal government's controversial firearms registry law. "We just view this as another area where they should take responsibility for a badly flawed piece of legislation which really persecutes the wrong people, innocent people, good people who want to use long firearms for hunting, recreational use," Norm Sterling, the Ontario Attorney-General, said yesterday. Provincial governments have a duty to enforce and prosecute the federal firearms law even if they oppose it for political reasons, said Wayne Easter, the federal Solicitor-General, after the Liberal Cabinet meeting in Ottawa yesterday. Mr. Easter said Ottawa will rely on the RCMP to enforce the firearms registry now that five provinces have declared they will not prosecute gun owners who fail to register their firearms by the June 30 deadline. In Toronto, Mr. Sterling said Ontario decided back in January that it would refer charges laid under the federal Firearms Act to federal prosecutors "unless they are related to other criminal activities and related to other Criminal Code offences. "Basically, [the gun registry] has nothing to do with preventing crime," Mr. Sterling told reporters. "It creates a lot of problems in rural Ontario [for] hunters, gun clubs, and those kinds of people who are law-abiding citizens, who have long been law-abiding citizens. "Their law is being driven by the false promise that this registry is somehow going to somehow enhance our ability to catch criminals, to prosecute criminals, to put criminals behind bars. This particular legislation has nothing to do with that." Nova Scotia Justice Minister Jamie Muir yesterday directed the province's Public Prosecution Service to refer Criminal Code and Firearms Act charges involving the registration of rifles and shotguns to federal prosecutors. "It's their law, let them enforce it," Mr. Muir said. "We believe the public is served best when our prosecution service focuses on serious criminal matters; it makes no sense to clog up the courts with procedural matters on long-gun registrations." Nova Scotia and Ontario have joined Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba, whose governments previously said they will not prosecute the registration provisions of the Canadian Firearms Act once the deadline for registration of all firearms expires at the end of June. Mr. Easter, who earlier in the week ruled out an extension of the deadline for more than 500,000 gun owners who have so far failed to either register their rifles and shotguns or re-register handguns that had been registered under the previous law, played down the provincial opposition. "It's my job to ensure that the law is upheld and the RCMP will uphold the laws of the country," Mr. Easter said. He added, however, that he still expects the provincial governments to enforce the laws of the land, regardless of their political views. "Governments have a responsibility, in my view, as well as law enforcement agencies, to uphold the laws of the land, and it's up to the province to prosecute under those laws," Mr. Easter said. "I want to underline very, very specifically that it is not our intent to go after legitimate gun owners. It is our intent to have them register under the system so that we can, in fact, have safer communities and safer streets." As of this week, the Canadian Firearms Centre reported 1.5 million of an estimated 2.3 million gun owners now have at least one registration certificate in the registry system. The firearms centre last April 15 reported 294,301 individuals still had to register long guns and 338,121 still had to re-register handguns. The agency said then it had a backlog of 177,897 applications to register, while 207,000 guns were registered to museums, public agencies and dealer inventories. - --------------------------------------- ADD BC TO THE LIST OF PROVINCES THAT WON'T PROSECUTE - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Office of the Premier PREM:EX" Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:35 AM > Thank you for your follow-up emails regarding the federal Firearms Act. > > Regarding the prosecution of firearm registration offences, the provincial > government has taken the position that we will not prosecute Firearms Act > firearm registration offences. We will remain responsible for the > prosecution of Criminal Code firearm registration offences, which include > some serious offences. In doing so though, we will distinguish between > those of a serious nature and those of a more regulatory nature. With > respect to those of a more regulatory nature, our policy on social > regulatory offences will apply. This policy, in essence, advises that > prosecution is the last resort and is to be taken only when all other > avenues to achieve compliance have failed. > > I hope this information is of assistance. > > Again, thank you for writing to share your views with me. > > Sincerely, > > Gordon Campbell > Premier > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:26:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: N.B. won't ignore gun laws; Province won't follow Nova Scotia's lead PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2003.06.04 SECTION: News PAGE: A1 COLUMN: Provincial News BYLINE: CAMPBELL MORRISON Times & Transcript Staff DATELINE: OTTAWA - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- N.B. won't ignore gun laws; Province won't follow Nova Scotia's lead and refuse to prosecute residents who fail to license long guns with controversial gun registry - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Brunswick Justice Minister Brad Green won't follow his Nova Scotia counterpart's lead and refuse to prosecute offenders under Ottawa's gun control law. In an interview yesterday, Green said that the government remains opposed to the registry but will prosecute people who break it anyway. "Our position here in New Brunswick has been consistently in opposition to the federal gun registry program. We have been of the opinion that the program being run by the federal government is ill-conceived and ineffective and has been proven many times over outrageously expensive," he said. "We in New Brunswick have been and will continue to prosecute any alleged offence that is contrary to the Criminal Code of Canada. And if there is a firearms offence contrary to the Criminal Code we will continue to prosecute as we have in the past." Nova Scotia Justice Minister Jamie Muir announced earlier yesterday that his province will not prosecute those who have failed to register their long guns, but anyone using a firearm in a criminal act can expect to be hit hard. Green declined to discuss the appropriateness of Muir's decision, but said governments have a duty to uphold laws they oppose even if they disagree with it. "That is a decision for the province of N.S. to take. Our opposition to the gun registry program has neither changed nor softened. But we do feel an obligation to prosecute Criminal Code offences regardless of what those offences entail." Muir's position was also debated in Ottawa. Canadian Alliance MP Darrel Stinson said Muir's decision illustrates that the gun registry has failed and urged the government to "scrap" it. Solicitor General Wayne Easter said it was "strange" that a justice minister would urge people in Nova Scotia to break the law. Outside the Commons, he stressed that the objective of the gun registry is to fight crime and not to make criminals out of legitimate gun owners. "Governments have a responsibility in my view as well as law enforcement agents to uphold the laws of the land. And it is up to the province to prosecute under those laws," he said. "But I want to outline very, very specifically that it is not our intent to go after legitimate gun owners. It is our intent to have them register under the system so that we can in fact have safer streets and safer communities." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:26:41 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: COST OF ENFORCING THE GUN REGISTRY JUST WENT UP PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal DATE: 2003.06.04 SECTION: News PAGE: B7 COLUMN: Canada BYLINE: JOHN LEWANDOWSKI Canadian Press DATELINE: TRURO, N.S. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nova Scotia says it won't prosecute owners who fail to register long guns - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nova Scotia has joined three western provinces in refusing to prosecute anyone who fails to register a rifle or shotgun under Ottawa's much maligned gun control legislation. Justice Minister Jamie Muir said Tuesday he has directed the province's Public Prosecution Service to refer Criminal Code and Firearms Act charges involving the registration of long guns to federal prosecutors. "It's their law, let them enforce it," he said of the federal requirement that long-gun owners register their weapons by July 1 or face the possibility of legal action. Flanked by several rural members of the Nova Scotia legislature, Mr. Muir called the registry a flawed process that will only burden the province's legal system if enforced. "We believe the public is served best when our prosecution service focuses on serious criminal matters," he told a news conference in central Nova Scotia. "It makes no sense to clog up the courts with procedural matters around long-gun registrations." Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta have also stated they won't co-operate with Ottawa in prosecuting those who fail to register long guns. However, Alberta officials have said the province will act if the matter involves the federal Criminal Code but not the federal Firearm Act. Both sets of laws state that anyone possessing a firearm as defined in Section 2 of the code must hold a valid firearms registration certificate. In Ottawa, federal Solicitor General Wayne Easter said the laws must be upheld. "Governments have a responsibility . . . to uphold the laws of the land and it's up to the province to prosecute under those laws," he said after leaving a cabinet meeting. However, Mr. Easter said he would prefer if gun owners simply registered their firearms. "I want to outline very, very specifically that it is not our intent to go after legitimate gun owners. It is our intent to have them register under the system so that we can have safer communities and safer streets." Originally tagged at $2 million, the registry's costs could surpass $1 billion by 2005, the federal auditor general said in December. The Canadian Alliance has suggested enforcing the Firearms Act could easily cost another $1 billion. Mr. Muir stressed that Nova Scotia's refusal to prosecute only refers to the registration of long guns. He said anyone who uses them to commit a crime "will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." - ---------------------------------------------------- NEWS RELEASE - March 24, 2003 ENFORCING THE FIREARMS ACT COULD EASILY COST ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS! "Is this why the government wouldn't tell the Auditor General what the enforcement costs would be?" http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/guns81.htm MAY 26, 2003 -- EASTER ADMITS GOVERNMENT "DOES NOT MONITOR" MAJOR ADDITIONAL GUN REGISTRY COSTS AS RECOMMENDED IN AUDITOR GENERAL'S REPORT http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/questions/may-26-2003written.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:27:40 -0600 (CST) From: Douglas Bailey Subject: Ontario joins protest Ontario won't enforce gun registry law Sterling calls it 'badly flawed' Says Ottawa should prosecute CAROLINE MALLAN AND RICHARD BRENNAN QUEEN'S PARK BUREAU Ontario is refusing to prosecute anyone who fails to register a rifle or shotgun because it's a dumb law, Attorney-General Norm Sterling said yesterday. Ontario joins Nova Scotia and three Western provinces in refusing to have anything to do with the federal gun registration law that so far has cost more than $1 billion. Sterling told reporters if Ottawa wants to prosecute the "misdirected" law, then it should fall to federal prosecutors. "They should take the responsibility for a badly flawed piece of legislation, which really persecutes the wrong people, innocent people, good people who want to use long firearms for hunting and recreational use. It is a piece of legislation which is totally misdirected," Sterling said. The attorney-general said the federal gun registration law holds out "the false promise that this registry is going to somehow enhance our ability to catch criminals." Public Security Minister Bob Runciman said Ontario has taken this position for some time but never publicized it. "I know the former attorney- general, David Young, indicated that clearly at the beginning of the year, Ontario wouldn't be in on it, our crowns wouldn't be participating in prosecutions of the federal gun registry legislation," he said. Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta have also stated they won't co-operate with Ottawa in prosecuting those who fail to register long guns. In Nova Scotia yesterday, Justice Minister Jamie Muir said he has directed the province's Public Prosecution Service to refer Criminal Code and Firearms Act charges involving the registration of long guns to federal prosecutors. "It's their law; let them enforce it," he said of the federal requirement that long-gun owners register their weapons by July 1 or face the possibility of legal action. Flanked by several rural members of the Nova Scotia legislature, Muir called the registry a flawed process that will only burden the province's legal system if enforced. "We believe the public is served best when our prosecution service focuses on serious criminal matters," he told a news conference in central Nova Scotia. However, Alberta officials have said the province will act if the matter involves the federal Criminal Code but not the federal Firearm Act. Both sets of laws state that anyone possessing a firearm as defined in Section 2 of the code must hold a firearms registration certificate. In Ottawa, federal Solicitor-General Wayne Easter said the laws must be upheld. "Governments have a responsibility ... to uphold the laws of the land and it's up to the province to prosecute under those laws," he said after leaving a cabinet meeting. However, Easter said he would prefer if gun owners simply registered their firearms. "I want to outline very, very specifically that it is not our intent to go after legitimate gun owners. "It is our intent to have them register under the system so that we can have safer communities and safer streets." Originally tagged at $2 million, the registry's costs could surpass $1 billion by 2005, the federal auditor-general said in December. with files from canadian press ================================================ Boats tied up in harbour are safe, but that's not what boats are for. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:28:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Federal crime unit called underfunded, poorly managed: NOTE: WE ALL KNOW WHERE THEY'RE WASTING AT LEAST A $100 MILLION A YEAR PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2003.06.03 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Jim Bronskill SOURCE: CanWest News Service DATELINE: OTTAWA - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Federal crime unit called underfunded, poorly managed: Study finds unit not well-equipped to deal with organized crime or terrorism - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OTTAWA -- Uncertain funding, poor training and weak direction have undermined the elite national units set up to zero in on the illicit profits of organized crime and terrorist groups, an internal review says. Partners in the Integrated Proceeds of Crime initiative, led by the RCMP, have been given "limited investigative and legal resources" to counter crime syndicates and political extremists even though the government has stressed the importance of pursuing these groups, the audit report reveals. Specialized IPOC units in 13 Canadian cities trace and seize criminal assets in cases involving drugs, smuggling, fraud, gambling and terrorism with the ultimate aim of forfeiture of proceeds to the government through the courts. The units include RCMP and other police services, Crown counsel, customs officers, forensic accountants, tax investigators and asset managers. "The IPOC initiative must provide adequate training, funding, equipment and financial resources to effectively compete with criminals," says the audit report, obtained by CanWest News Service. "The situation will be exacerbated by the new need to include training on terrorism networks and operations." The evaluation by Consulting and Audit Canada, the government's in-house review service, also raises serious questions about "discrepancies amounting to millions" of dollars between the RCMP and the division of Public Works responsible for the liquidation of seized assets, ranging from houses and vintage cars to sailboats and fine art. "Files are missing or misallocated so that assets do not show up in the right account. This lack of accounting is dangerous for the maintenance of probity." The auditors looked at the fourth and fifth years of the proceeds-of-crime program, through March 2001. A declassified version of the secret report, completed in February 2002 for the Solicitor General's policing and law enforcement directorate, was just released under the Access to Information Act after a complaint to the information commissioner. Some portions were deemed too sensitive to disclose. Solicitor General Wayne Easter has acknowledged the government was reviewing the program. The various agencies involved continue to discuss the report's findings, RCMP Sgt. Jocelyn Mimeault said in an interview. The auditors say the IPOC initiative is effectively the only broad-based program that can fulfil the demands of new federal crime and terrorism legislation. But a litany of problems has prevented the anti-crime units from reaching their potential. Permanent funding for new programs was unavailable in 1997 when the initiative began, resulting in a complex arrangement under which federal money would be advanced to IPOC units. The funding was to be repaid to federal coffers through fines and forfeitures from successful cases. Any shortfall between the advance and revenues generated through seizures would become a loan, paid back over a period of years. The arrangement has run into obstacles that "seriously impair the effectiveness of the initiative or even make it impossible to continue" -- mainly because revenues from proceeds of crime "have been much lower than anticipated," says the report. As a result, despite the fact the program's first five years led to the removal of $281 million from criminals in Canada and abroad in the course of more than 600 investigations, the expensive initiative has racked up sizable annual deficits, including $20 million in 2000-01 and an estimated $16 million in 2001-02. While the program has disrupted and, in some cases, dismantled criminal organizations, the desire for a solid financial return means some cases may not be pursued unless they involve considerable assets, creating the impression police will chase law-breakers only if there's money in it. The auditors also noted insufficient training, particularly in complex areas such as money laundering, international criminal operations, and foreign legislative and investigative approaches. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:31:27 -0600 (CST) From: rae baker Subject: To feed the hungry Iam not infavour of feeding the hungry of the world. It is an unending chore, a forever deal, and only will get worse. The problem is too many people over populating these areas. Feed the people of Canada YES, but get them the tools to feed themseleves. The hords of children who need food come from hords of people who were fed but the donations of other people and now breed like files. Iam not heartless or of little feeling but I do see that feeding them will do little, but just exaserbate the problem. And on the backs of people who own guns. The French government not only gas guns, but manufactures the same. Perhaps they would like to take on the feeding burden. Rae Baker Burlington ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:35:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Jason Hayes" Subject: FW: Michael Bliss column Interesting take on CA vs. PC, from a Torontonian. - -------------------- Jason Hayes Principal - Hayes Holdings Consulting #1936 - 246 Stewart Green SW Calgary, AB, Canada T3H 3C8=20 hh@hayz.ws / www.hayz.ws - --------------------- When wise men disapprove, that's bad; when fools applaud, that's worse. A Spanish proverb The Alliance is the only hope Michael Bliss National Post Wednesday, June 04, 2003 Now that the Progressive Conservatives have a new leader it's clear that the Canadian Alliance offers the only hope of our country once again becoming a two-party democracy. If you want to see a change of government in Ottawa in your lifetime you are going to have to swallow your doubts and support the Alliance. Consider this: For the last year under Stephen Harper's leadership the Canadian Alliance has been going about its business of being the Official Opposition, and doing that job fairly well. One party in Ottawa has had huge problems with inept leadership and backbench unrest verging on political anarchy. That, of course, is the Liberal party. Thanks to Elsie Wayne's homophobia, and other factors, the Progressive-Conservatives were in a mess even before their leadership fiasco, to which we'll turn in a moment. By comparison to either of these parties, the Alliance has been a model of unity, discipline, moderation and serious concern with public issues. Its leader, Stephen Harper, has not had particularly good press, but that seems to say more about the press than it does about Harper's leadership. The conventional wisdom on Harper is that he's an uncharismatic policy wonk. So what? Isn't it a good thing to have political leaders who take public policy seriously? Surely we have more than enough politicians who don't. And let's grow up on the charisma issue. There isn't going to be a second Pierre Trudeau, which many would consider just as well. So what does "charisma" mean in 21st-century Canadian politics? Paul Martinism? Bill Clintonism? Some other combination of ambition and demagoguery? Stephen Harper is a highly intelligent, very articulate, possibly shy man, a product of the quintessentially Canadian Leaside neighbourhood of Toronto. For the past year he has been doing a far better job than our media pundits have noticed. He is, in fact, credible as a potential Prime Minister of Canada. Can the same be said of the new leader of the Progressive Conservative party? This was the question the PC leadership race had to answer. Now we know. Peter MacKay is a young politician profoundly out of his depth. He lacks maturity and judgment and common sense, and this was proven, in spades, by the secret back-room deal he made with David Orchard to secure his leadership. MacKay seems to have had no understanding of the indelible damage he was doing to his credibility. After June 1, 2003, he cannot be taken seriously as a contender for a responsible position in the governance of Canada. You might make MacKay a junior minister, on trial, in your government, nothing more. The extra tragedy of the MacKay victory and the way it was achieved is that it seems finally to rule out the possibility of Alliance-Tory electoral co-operation with a view to a new coalition that might form a government. The PCs are headed nowhere now, except for endless disunity and absurd confusions. The Alliance does not have an equal -- Harper does not have an equal -- to enter into a creative coalition with. Floundering, shrinking and debt-ridden as the party has been, there are still many Progressive Conservatives who have good and honourable reasons for not being Liberals. The Hugh Segals, Barbara McDougalls, even the Brian Mulroneys, and many other loyal PCs -- all of whom were symbolically kicked in the genitals by the unthinking Mr. MacKay last Sunday -- have got to ask themselves whether or not they want Canada to be a Liberal fiefdom forever. It probably won't happen publicly, but if only a few of the more reputable pillars of the old PC party -- or better yet the disillusioned new conservatives such as Scott Brison or Jim Prentice -- realized that the game is up and came to endorse the Alliance, it's just possible that something good could rise from last week's political ashes. The Canadian Alliance is not the gang of wild-eyed Western Reformers that Preston Manning is supposed to have led to Ottawa a very long decade ago. At the moment it is the best-functioning political party in Canada, well-led and well-lieutenanted (if we had an Ottawa press gallery that was awake to its job, for example, someone would have appreciative words for the way Stockwell Day has become an articulate and able foreign affairs critic), middle-of-the-road, and deeply rooted in two of Canada's most progressive and dynamic provinces. It needs support in Central and Eastern Canada? Do those of you who think eternal Liberal government of Canada is unhealthy now really believe there is any point in continuing to support the ruined Progressive Conservative party? If you're not ready to move on after what you saw last week, what are we to say about your political judgment? Nostalgia, inertia and old loyalties all have their place in life. But if restoring a truly functioning democracy is in the national interest of all of us Canadians, surely we have to make some hard and even risky decisions. Michael Bliss is an author and a professor of history at the University of Toronto. His books include Right Honourable Men: The Descent of Canadian Politics from Macdonald to Mulroney. 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