From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #136 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Friday, June 6 2003 Volume 06 : Number 136 In this issue: Re: Glitch Re: Glitch Victoria won't enforce firearms act: A-G Warrant issued for no gunfire? Victoria won't enforce firearms act: A-G Feds go after gun Editorial: Rescind gun registration Share target order from Shooting Federation Of Canada Comprehensive collection of all media articles P.E.I. won't buck gun registry legislation Company says link to Web site promoting jihad a 'sick joke': Vankleek Hill firm sells mail-order guns Animal activists a threat, CSIS says Letter: Shotguns should be used Polar bear's death upsets Blanc Sablon residents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:50:15 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Re: Glitch Most (all?) commercial data storage systems have redundant automatic backups on tape or other media. I'm wondering why it is so difficult to copy the missing records from the backup copies? - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:55:08 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: Glitch Michael Ackermann wrote: > > Most (all?) commercial data storage systems have redundant automatic > backups on tape or other media. > > I'm wondering why it is so difficult to copy the missing records from > the backup copies? Well, if things are as Easter claims, the information was lost when the computer system crashed, which would mean that it wasn't actually stored in the system at the time the backup would normally be made, which is usually around midnight, or the wee hours of the morning. Much like when you hit Ctrl-Alt-Del and your PC tells you any unsaved information may be lost...if it don't get saved, it won't get backed up. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:01:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Victoria won't enforce firearms act: A-G PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2003.06.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Matthew Ramsey SOURCE: Vancouver Sun - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Victoria won't enforce firearms act: A-G - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- B.C. has joined five other Canadian provinces that will not prosecute firearm owners for failing to register their guns as required under the contentious federal Firearms Act. Attorney-General Geoff Plant said Thursday the firearms registry is an "unmitigated disaster" and the province has made its views clear to the federal government. "There are some offences in the Criminal Code that relate to failure to register -- we will examine those on a case-by-case basis -- but if they are related only to the fact of non-registration then our view is that those are a matter for the federal government to pursue under the Firearms Act," Plant said. B.C. joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia and Ontario in refusing to prosecute Firearms Act registration offences. "I think it's a disaster, an unmitigated disaster. It's a vast public expenditure for no apparent public return," Plant said of the $1-billion registry that was initially estimated to cost $2 million. "It is astonishing to me that over a billion dollars could be spent for the primary purpose, apparently, of essentially criminalizing people who are otherwise the lawful owners of rifles, shotguns and those sorts of things." Nova Scotia and Ontario announced their positions on the registry June 3. "This is not a useful piece of legislation. Our prosecutors have lots of work to do, and we would sooner see them doing things which we think are more important to public safety," said Nova Scotia Justice Minister Jamie Muir. "They should take the responsibility for a badly flawed piece of legislation, which really persecutes the wrong people, innocent people, good people who want to use long firearms for hunting and recreational use," said Ontario Attorney-General Norm Sterling. The gun registration law, Bill C-68, was implemented eight years ago. According to the most recent estimates released by the Canadian Firearms Centre, approximately 500,000 people across the country have not yet registered their long guns. Bill C-68 requires registration of all firearms including shotguns and rifles. Licences are also required to own and buy firearms and ammunition. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:01:51 -0600 (CST) From: 10x@telus.net Subject: Warrant issued for no gunfire? http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=ab_home&articleID=1341609 alberta news Thursday, Jun 05, 2003 Non-existent gunfire leads police to Calgary grow op CALGARY (mytelus.com) - Police rushed to a northeast home earlier this week on reports of gunshots being fired but they discovered instead a silent, $1-million problem. There were no weapons. But there were 750 marijuana plants with a retail value of about $1 million. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:02:47 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Victoria won't enforce firearms act: A-G PUBLICATION: Vancouver Sun DATE: 2003.06.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A3 BYLINE: Matthew Ramsey SOURCE: Vancouver Sun - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Victoria won't enforce firearms act: A-G - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- B.C. has joined five other Canadian provinces that will not prosecute firearm owners for failing to register their guns as required under the contentious federal Firearms Act. Attorney-General Geoff Plant said Thursday the firearms registry is an "unmitigated disaster" and the province has made its views clear to the federal government. "There are some offences in the Criminal Code that relate to failure to register -- we will examine those on a case-by-case basis -- but if they are related only to the fact of non-registration then our view is that those are a matter for the federal government to pursue under the Firearms Act," Plant said. B.C. joins Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, Nova Scotia and Ontario in refusing to prosecute Firearms Act registration offences. "I think it's a disaster, an unmitigated disaster. It's a vast public expenditure for no apparent public return," Plant said of the $1-billion registry that was initially estimated to cost $2 million. "It is astonishing to me that over a billion dollars could be spent for the primary purpose, apparently, of essentially criminalizing people who are otherwise the lawful owners of rifles, shotguns and those sorts of things." Nova Scotia and Ontario announced their positions on the registry June 3. "This is not a useful piece of legislation. Our prosecutors have lots of work to do, and we would sooner see them doing things which we think are more important to public safety," said Nova Scotia Justice Minister Jamie Muir. "They should take the responsibility for a badly flawed piece of legislation, which really persecutes the wrong people, innocent people, good people who want to use long firearms for hunting and recreational use," said Ontario Attorney-General Norm Sterling. The gun registration law, Bill C-68, was implemented eight years ago. According to the most recent estimates released by the Canadian Firearms Centre, approximately 500,000 people across the country have not yet registered their long guns. Bill C-68 requires registration of all firearms including shotguns and rifles. Licences are also required to own and buy firearms and ammunition. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:07:48 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Feds go after gun Does anyone else find the timing of this more than a little suspicious? http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-06-06-0010.html >From Edmonton Sun Friday, June 6, 2003 Feds go after gun Cops told to lay charges for Jan. 1 protest By DAN PALMER and LORI COOLICAN, SUN MEDIA A former sergeant-at-arms in the Alberta Legislature has been charged with carrying an unregistered gun after a New Year's Day protest against the new federal firearms registry. Oscar Lacombe, 74, was charged by city police Wednesday with unauthorized possession of a firearm and carrying a weapon while attending a public meeting. Lacombe, speaking last night from his Mundare home, said the fact it took roughly six months to charge him shows just how much confusion exists over the current firearms legislation. "I just want to make a point. (The Firearms Act) is a bad law. It should be repealed," said Lacombe. "I have nothing but respect for the police and judiciary who must enforce bad laws made by politicians who want to get elected." Police seized a .22-calibre rifle Jan. 1 - when the new law requiring each gun to be registered came into effect - after a man was seen marching around with it, asking to be arrested, during a gun law protest at the Alberta Legislature. Edmonton police spokesman Wes Bellmore said Lacombe has not been charged under the Firearms Act but the Criminal Code of Canada. Carrying a firearm while attending a public meeting is under Section 89 (1), and unauthorized possession of a firearm is under Section 91 (1), said Bellmore. Under the Criminal Code's Section 91, an owner requires a licence and registration certificate to possess a firearm. And that section was amended to be consistent with the Firearms Act, said federal justice official Janet Jenchey. Richard Fritze, Lacombe's lawyer, said it's "arguable" that Lacombe should be charged under Section 112 of the Firearms Act, since it's the same as the Criminal Code's Section 91 (1). "Why would they write that one if they weren't going to use it?" said Fritze. Alberta Justice handed the case over to the federal justice department a few months ago, said Alberta Justice spokesman Bart Johnson. City police then laid the charges on instructions from the feds. Even though the charges against Lacombe were laid under the Criminal Code - offences normally handled by provincial prosecutors - that was not the case here "because we knew the law would be challenged," said Johnson. "It was clear from the beginning there would be a charter challenge - it seemed appropriate the federal government be called upon to defend the legislation." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:08:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editorial: Rescind gun registration PUBLICATION: The Standard (St.Catharines) (Ontario) DATE: 2003.06.05 SECTION: Viewpoint PAGE: A12 Rescind gun registration Ontario's Attorney General Norm Sterling made it quite clear Tuesday that this province will not prosecute gun owners who refuse to register their rifle or shotgun. His reason? He thinks it's a "badly flawed piece of legislation." We agree, and we have said so since its inception. In his opinion, the federal gun registry conveys "the false promise that this registry is going to somehow enhance our ability to catch criminals." Instead, it "persecutes the wrong people, innocent people, good people who want to use long firearms for hunting and recreational use." You can't get much clearer than that. In voicing the province's opposition, Sterling is joining with Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and Nova Scotia, which have expressed similar sentiments. We're glad to see some provinces are digging in their heels on this one. The program is expected to cost Canadian taxpayers $1 billion, and it will do next to nothing to prevent the vast majority of firearm woundings and murders that are committed with illegal handguns. Federal Solicitor General Wayne Easter, on the other hand, says the laws must be upheld, and so the stage is being set for a showdown. We're hoping the ridiculous and costly registration idea will be scrapped and the federal government will spend more time and energy stopping the sale of illegal handguns. But knowing the Liberal mindset, that's probably too much to hope for. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:53:54 -0600 (CST) From: Gander Rodandgun Subject: Share target order from Shooting Federation Of Canada Looking to start up the Recreational Target Shooting Program offered by the SFC at my local Club. Target costs for start up are steep and I was looking for another Club to share in targets/costs. Price would be about $150 for half order of targets of four types: Smallbore rifle/handgun, centrefire rifle/handgun. Any group interested, please contact me off digest. Dylan Driscoll Gander Rod And Gun Club ganderrodandgun@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:55:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Karl Schrader" Subject: Comprehensive collection of all media articles I wonder if it is still possible to compile a collection of all the media articles ever written about this abominable legislation and then send it to all the M.P,'s and the Solicitor General. Would it be at least possible to extract these pieces from the archive of the digest ? Tom Zinck started something like this years ago when this media campaign begun but he is nowhere to be seen these days, I guess he dropped out. It must be a considerable collection going into the hundreds or even thousands. Someone with sufficient computer knowledge should be able to employ a search on the archive and pull this info out. Just imagine, the faxmachines in M.P.'s offices running out of paper or the inboxes of their e-mail clogging up. Just a thought ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:56:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: P.E.I. won't buck gun registry legislation PUBLICATION: The Guardian (Charlottetown) DATE: 2003.06.06 SECTION: The Province PAGE: A3 COLUMN: Island Digest SOURCE: The Guardian (Charlottetown) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- P.E.I. won't buck gun registry legislation - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- P.E.I. Attorney General Jeff Lantz admits much of the new federal gun registry system is "a mess" but it's not the place of provinces to "pick and choose" which parts of the Criminal Code to enforce. On Tuesday, Ontario and Nova Scotia joined the three Western provinces in announcing they would not charge persons who refused to register rifles or shotguns by the July 1 deadline, set out by the federal government for the firearms registry law. More fuel was added to the fire when Solicitor General Wayne Easter confirmed that due to a computer crash the names of many Canadians who had registered their weapons had been lost in the system. Lantz says the problems with the registry are no excuse for his government not enforcing a federal law that is part of the Criminal Code of Canada. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:57:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Company says link to Web site promoting jihad a 'sick joke': Vankleek Hill firm sells mail-order guns PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.06.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: City PAGE: F8 BYLINE: Sarah Kennedy SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Company says link to Web site promoting jihad a 'sick joke': Vankleek Hill firm sells mail-order guns - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The president of an Eastern Ontario company that sells mail-order firearms says it's a sick joke that his company is linked to a Middle Eastern Web site dedicated to an Islamic holy war. "We have our own suspicions. I think it's someone's idea of a sick joke," said John St. Amour of Marstar Canada, a company in Vankleek Hill that sells guns to collectors, firearm dealers, police and military forces. The Internet link is on a Web site claiming to be the official site of Osama bin Laden and provides do-it-yourself manuals describing how to build a bomb, use a gun and become a martyr. It was spotted by the SITE Institute -- a Washington D.C.-based agency that monitors Web sites to track terrorist movement for the media and the U.S. government. Rita Katz, director of the institute, said she discovered the Web link after scrolling through thousands of pages in the military section of the site. It was located, along with a U.S. company, gunsamerica.com, under the Arabic word for weapon. Ms. Katz said the second part of the Web site is comprised of edicts calling on Muslims to wage a jihad (holy war) and providing information on how to become a martyr. "It is in my experience that this is the best mujahedeen (holy warrior) site," she said, adding the site is packed with information and doesn't appear to be censored. Normally, when message boards are monitored by the government, warnings by the administrator appear telling people not to post incriminating messages, she said. Ms. Katz doesn't plan to notify the RCMP or CSIS about the Vankleek Hill company being listed on the site, but said if they contact her she will pass on the information. RCMP spokesman Sgt. Jocelyn Mimeault said the force is aware of the Web site and plans to evaluate the information in order to determine whether an investigation is warranted. Mr. St. Amour has not been contacted by police and doesn't expect he will be. "I can't see them being interested in this. Anyone aware of the regulations knows this can't be real, someone put it there," he said. "There is no way we could ever export there." Mr. St. Amour said his business is one of the most heavily scrutinized in Canada. Each order received by Marstar Canada must be submitted to the Federal Firearms Registry for approval, and only after it is approved is it shipped to the buyer. Its inventories are also audited regularly by authorities, he said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:08:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Animal activists a threat, CSIS says PUBLICATION: Windsor Star DATE: 2003.06.06 EDITION: Final SECTION: NEWS PAGE: A13 BYLINE: Bruce Cheadle The Canadian Press SOURCE: CP DATELINE: OttawaANIMAL ACTIVISTS; EXTREMISTS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Animal activists a threat, CSIS says - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Canada's spy agency says "certain elements" of the animal rights and anti-globalization movements in this country pose a terrorist threat. The annual report of the Canadian Security and Intelligence Service, released Thursday, cites animal rights, anti-globalization and white supremacist groups under domestic extremism as one of four main categories of terrorism in Canada. While religious extremism -- specifically Islamic extremism -- tops the CSIS list of terrorist concerns, the inclusion of two of Canada's mainstream domestic lobbies in the report raised some eyebrows. Not listed in the public CSIS report were three other domestic groups cited in an initial report: Aboriginals, separatists and environmentalists. The initial report, from which the public report is culled, is a ministerial direction -- a document that gives CSIS an idea of the solicitor general's concerns regarding terrorism. Canadian Alliance MP Kevin Sorenson said he and other MPs on the Commons security committee received that document earlier this week. Sorenson read from the report: "to a lesser degree, Canada is confronted by domestic terrorism issues related to aboriginal rights, white supremacists, sovereignty, animal rights, the environment and anti-globalization." Areas of concern The four areas of concern are: religious extremism, state-sponsored terrorism, secessionist violence and domestic extremism. When Solicitor General Wayne Easter tabled the CSIS report Thursday in the House of Commons, he said Canadians should not be complacent about terrorist threats. "The Canadian Security Intelligence Service ... is aware of emerging terrorist threats and tactics that could have severe consequences for Canadians," Easter said. NDP Leader Jack Layton said the report should be of concern to all Canadians. "It looks as though CSIS is lumping together anyone who disagrees with the government," Layton said. "It's important to preserve the right of people to disagree. That's one of the fundamentals of democracy." Rob Sinclair, a campaigner with the International Fund for Animal Welfare, said equating animal rights groups with white supremacists was particularly offensive. "This is a sort of smear on the entire community," Sinclair said from Toronto. "To have this group thrown in with neo Nazis . . . is truly insulting. It sounds like CSIS is once again completely out to lunch." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:13:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Shotguns should be used PUBLICATION: The Telegram (St. John's) DATE: 2003.06.06 SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A6 SOURCE: The Telegram BYLINE: Sandy Bennett - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shotguns should be used - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is the first thing a person learns about using rifles? Do not shoot at a flat surface. Water has a flat surface and a 303 rifle has a range of approximately three miles. If a sealer is hunting seals two miles from shore, people on land within a mile from the shoreline are in danger of being shot. A bullet doesn't hit the water and dive like a submarine. There's a good chance it will skip, change direction and probably go high in the air. A bullet doesn't care where it goes and you can't control it once you fire and it hits the water. Pleasure boats and other hunters are in danger of being hit, as well as people on our beaches or further inland. I think it's time for the public to speak out against the use of high powered rifles for sealing. A shotgun has a very short range. I hunted seals for many years and I know it is very effective in killing seals. So for safety sake, hunters, when you go through the door in the morning think of safety and choose the right gun -- a shotgun. Sandy Bennett Bell Island ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 09:20:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Polar bear's death upsets Blanc Sablon residents PUBLICATION: The Telegram (St. John's) DATE: 2003.06.06 SECTION: News PAGE: A1 / Front SOURCE: CanWest News Service BYLINE: Kevin Dougherty DATELINE: BLANC SABLON - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Polar bear's death upsets Blanc Sablon residents - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- They are stealthy killing machines that can travel 30 km/h, have no natural predators and are unpredictable. Polar bears have lethal paws the size of a baseball catcher's mitt, but studded with sharp, knife-like claws, more than five centimetres long. So when polar-bear alerts are issued on Quebec's Lower North Shore, they are taken seriously. The people living in this, one of the most remote corners of Quebec, are wary of these powerful aquatic mammals. But in Blanc Sablon, Que. this week, people were upset that polar bears that come looking for food on the Lower North Shore are not captured and returned to their natural habitat. Instead, they are shot. Last Sunday, Quebec wildlife officers, assisted by the Surete du Quebec, pumped three bullets from high-powered rifles into a polar bear that wouldn't leave on its own. "Nobody here can ever remember a polar bear that has been near the village that has been caged or trapped or tranquillized and saved," Michelle Walsh of Blanc Sablon radio station CFBS said. "They've always been shot." TRANQUILLIZED IN LABRADOR In Labrador, just over the hill from Blanc Sablon, provincial wildlife officers are equipped with tranquillizer guns and they return stray polar bears to their natural habitat, Walsh noted. Early Sunday, the errant polar bear swam from a nearby-uninhabited island to Blanc Sablon, drawn by a favoured polar bear treat -- seal meat left on the shore. A crowd of about 100 people gathered to watch the animal, a female weighing 200 kilograms, feed. "It had a little breakfast, was laying back on the rocks, very passive, and then the police and officials showed up," Walsh said. "They scared it off with big blowhorns and with shots fired in the air. "So then they chased the beast into the water. They herded it. They navigated the bear to Greenley Island." At the same moment, a cage used in nearby Labrador to catch wandering polar bears was arriving at the Blanc Sablon wharf. Quebec wildlife officials considered trying to catch the bear and it is not clear why they changed their plans. "A short while later they got back in the boat and shot the bear," Walsh said. "That's when people saw the cage pulling in to the wharf." Walsh said the bear had a tag, indicating it had been caught before, and polar bears are smart enough not to go into a cage twice. It also meant it had been tranquillized before. "What they're telling me is that a bear cannot be tranquillized twice in one year because you'll end up killing it," Walsh said. "I don't believe shooting it was the only option. People here don't feel too good about it." Mathieu St-Amant, spokesperson for Pierre Corbeil, Quebec's junior natural resources minister, who is responsible for wildlife protection, said Thursday wildlife officers had no choice because the bear had been tranquillized recently in Labrador. The tranquillizing drug is so powerful it remains in the bear's system for a year. A second tranquillizer shot would have killed the bear anyway, he said. Even if tranquillizing was an option, it would have been difficult to do, since there is no tranquillizer gun on Quebec's Lower North Shore, home to about 6,000 mostly English-speaking people scattered among 15 villages. The nearest tranquillizer gun is 760 kilometres away in Havre-St-Pierre. St-Amant said there is no tranquillizer gun in Blanc Sablon because wildlife officers there have not been trained to use one. The province is considering adding one, but no decision has been made as the Charest government reviews all spending. "In the past two years, three polar bears have been killed here," Walsh said. The tranquillizer gun has stayed in Havre-St-Pierre. The Lower North Shore is cut off from the rest of Quebec by a 455-kilometre gap in Highway 138, between Natashquan and Vieux Fort, 72 km west of Blanc Sablon. St-Amant denied that all polar bears on the Lower North Shore are shot, noting 11 polar bears were sighted near Blanc Sablon in 2001 and all were scared away or returned on their own to their natural environment. Canada has about 15,000 polar bears. They are not an endangered species, but are designated as threatened. Aboriginal hunters are limited to killing 500 polar bears a year. Polar bears feed on seals and travel by ice floes to catch their prey. In spring, the ice floes float down the coast of Labrador and polar bears can end up on the shores of Newfoundland or the Lower North Shore. 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