From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #155 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Thursday, June 12 2003 Volume 06 : Number 155 In this issue: Shooting suspect released on bail BREITKREUZ TOURS ONTARIO Toronto 'urban wuss?' letter to post .. unpublished ... Culprits looking for cash in violent home invasion: police WHY ALL INFORMATION IN THE GUN REGISTRY MUST BE "VERIFIED" owning a firearm is questionable activity? Registry cost benefit analysis. USA - HERO GUN DAD GETS JUST 3 DAYS Re: Farmers buck province over deer cull Kolb .22 caliber USA - HERO GUN DAD GETS JUST 3 DAYS My letter to the Halifax Chronicle Herald Re: Column: The thrill of the kill; [none] Police to Enforce Long-gun Registration ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:01:52 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Shooting suspect released on bail PUBLICATION: The Chronicle-Herald DATE: 2003.06.11 SECTION: NovaScotia PAGE: A4 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shooting suspect released on bail - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WINDSOR (CP) - A Nova Scotia man charged with attempted murder has been released from custody. Ryan MacKenzie Brittain, 21, was released into his grandparents care, following a bail hearing Tuesday. He was charged following a Victoria Day weekend shooting that left an Upper Vaughn man slightly injured. The man was struck by glass from a window shattered by a shotgun blast. Brittain will be back in court June 24 for election and plea. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:04:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: BREITKREUZ TOURS ONTARIO June 11, 2003 - News Conferences and Events - - Innisfil, Owen Sound, Newmarket, Barrie, Bracebridge, Oshawa and Midland, ON: Until June 15, Canadian Alliance MP Garry Breitkreuz holds a series of townhall meetings and takes part in other events in Southwestern Ontario to discuss the gun registry fiasco. Today in Innisfil, he attends the Ontario Olympic Trapshooting Association Championships (3 pm). In the evening in Owen Sound, he meets with constituents of Bruce-Grey Owen Sound at the Harry Lumley Centre (7:30 pm). On June12 in New Market, he speaks at the North York riding association nomination meeting (7:30 pm, Glen Way Golf Club). On June 13 in Barrie, he has lunch with local business people (noon) and then holds a townhall meeting (7:30 pm, Sheba Shrine). On June 14 in Bracebridge, he meets with local gun club associations (9:30 am) and delivers a public speech at Monk Public School (1 pm). In the evening in Oshawa, he attends a wine and cheese reception (7 pm). On June 15 in Midland, Breitkreuz addresses a gathering of local gun owners (3 pm, Kilgress senior's home). Call Sandra Kiyonaga at 705-715-8140. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:30:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Robert S. Sciuk" Subject: Toronto 'urban wuss?' letter to post .. unpublished ... Dear Sir/Madame, Mr. Purdy is correct to call Jonathan Kay to task for his juvenile and ill-informed "expose" of the shooting sports. The myths propagated by those with strong opinions but little information have led directly to Canadian Firearms Act which seems to have been designed to drive the responsible shooters out of the sport while ignoring the criminal element, at the highest possible cost to taxpayers. All this, while paying short shrift to the public safety, which after all was the whole point of the exercise. What Mr. Purdy has missed, is that there are millions of Eastern Canadians who feel exactly the same way as those in Calgary. Responsibly enjoying the shooting sports is not a Western phenomenon by any stretch. Responsible shooters live in all provinces in Canada. They are not now, and never have been a problem with respect to the public safety. They tend to promote firearms safety, and enjoy one of the lowest insurance rates of any sport. Shooters are united nation wide in being harrassed beyond belief by an unfair and unconstitutional firearms act, and wussies like Mr. Kay, who would love to own and shoot firearms, if only their significant others would allow them to. Sincerely, Robert S. Sciuk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:41:31 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Culprits looking for cash in violent home invasion: police http://www.haltonsearch.com/hr/fp/story/1127085p-1343970c.html Culprits looking for cash in violent home invasion: police Megan Walchuk Flamborough Post Jun 11, 2003 A Flamborough couple fell victim to a violent home invasion Thursday night, say police. On June 7 at approximately 1:20 a.m., a Robson Road couple, both in their 60s, woke up to discover two men in their bedroom. The men claimed to be immigration officers, according to Hamilton Police Services Media Relations Officer Sgt. Maggie McKittrick. The couple, who declined to speak about the incident to the Post, attempted to fend off the culprits. The man engaged in a fight with one of the assailants in the hallway, but was knocked unconscious. The other intruder held a knife to the woman's throat and demanded money, said McKittrick. The pair fled with an undisclosed amount of cash, the knife they arrived with and a hunting rifle found in the home, say police. One of the suspects was wearing a mask. The other has only been described as a white male. One of the men had what was described to police as a Hungarian accent. Police believe the pair escaped in a vehicle. The violent incident was the second home invasion to take place in Flamborough within one week. In late May, a Troy man was assaulted by a culprit who police believe was looking for guns. The victim was shot in the ensuing scuffle, but has since been released from hospital. According to McKittrick, both attacks were targeted, so the general population has little to fear. Cash was the lure in the latest attack, she feels. Police believe the culprits were expecting to find a large sum of money from the couple's successful greenhouse business. But they would have been disappointed - the couple had already made their deposits for the day and no paycheques were on the premises, said McKittrick. But all businesses should take care to not keep cash on the property at closing time, or at home. "It's just smart business," she said. Instead, deposits should be made during regular business hours to prevent evening thefts, advise police. If all businesses were to follow that practice, the invasions would no longer be profitable, which would decrease their occurrence, noted McKittrick. Anyone with information on the invasion is asked to call Hamilton Police Services at 905-546-4950 or Crime Stoppers at 905-522-TIPS. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:56:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: WHY ALL INFORMATION IN THE GUN REGISTRY MUST BE "VERIFIED" WHY ALL INFORMATION IN THE GUN REGISTRY MUST BE "VERIFIED" AS ACCURATE! http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/Article119.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:36:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Glock22 .40 S & W" Subject: owning a firearm is questionable activity? >http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/37/2/PACC/Meetings/Evidence/PACCEV28-E.HTM >"Ms. Maryantonett Flumian: We do not believe that owning a firearm in this >country is a questionable activity. We do not." Ms. Flumian seems to be doing a little backpedaling, or perhaps she would like to define her use of the word "We". Excessive regulations are in place in the Firearms Act and as such, the Liberal Party, and she, obviously condoned it. NOTE: "Item 10.68 of the report by the Auditor General of Canada states: THE DEPARTMENT SAID THE EXCESSIVE REGULATIONS HAD OCCURRED BECAUSE SOME OF ITS PARTNERS BELIEVED THAT: The use of firearms is in itself a "questionable activity" that required strong controls...." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:58:28 -0600 (CST) From: "David M" Subject: Registry cost benefit analysis. I am very interested in mention of a cost/benefit analysis in this article. Can anyone clarify (or better, obtain for me a copy of this) ? My suspicion is that it is simply an analysis of costs, but I must reserve for myself my right to be wrong. Chaz Forsyth New Zealand. > PUBLICATION: The Province > DATE: 2003.06.10 > SECTION: Editorial > SOURCE: The Windsor Star > > In other words: Gun registry a shotgun approach to public safety > > > Last December, Auditor General Sheila Fraser roundly criticized the federal > government for keeping Parliament "in the dark" when the costs of the > shotgun and rifle registry began to escalate. > > Fraser said that the registry cost would exceed $1 billion in taxpayers' > money by 2005, even though the original cost-benefit analysis was based on a > cost of only $2 million. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:59:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: USA - HERO GUN DAD GETS JUST 3 DAYS NEW YORK POST ON-LINE EDITION HERO GUN DAD GETS JUST 3 DAYS By KATI CORNELL SMITH - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- June 10, 2003 -- A Navy veteran who shot a burglar as the crook crept into his toddler's bedroom has dodged a possible three- month prison sentence for criminal possession of a weapon by coming clean with prosecutors. http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/830.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:45:22 -0600 (CST) From: Barry Glasgow Subject: Re: Farmers buck province over deer cull Rick Lowe wrote: - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I sent my letters - asking that every damned poacher that shoots a deer outside of the season without the proper licenses and sentences be heavily fined and their firearms confiscated. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Would this also apply to someone who shoots a black bear that has become more than just a nuisance? Rick wrote: - -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. The deer existed in the area before the "Lanark Landowner's Association" ever did. And browsed the area. 2. So you clear the land where they browse so you can have your house and fields there. Fair enough, I can live with that, tough luck deer. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ancient forests could not support the amount of deer we now have. Their numbers are a direct result of adaptation to new food sources, removal of natural predators and, now, a refusal to adapt game management plans to address population explosions caused by dwindling hunting opportunities. Sure, they've alotted more doe tags but with a 6-day season there's no way that the deer herd can be significantly checked by hunting. So for now, we're killing them with our cars (endangering lives in the process). Like all bad game management decisions (cancelling the spring bear hunt is another) political correctness takes precedence. They've widened firearms discharge prohibitions in some areas and won't even allow bow hunting where the problem has become the worst. They've steadfastly refused to allow hunting on Sundays and refuse to extend the gun season to 2 or 3 weeks. You say that fences are the answer but why should farmers pay for a problem that the ministry helped create? Besides, I can't see a 10-foot high fence being cheap and would hate to think of what the countryside would look like with such eye-sores popping up everywhere. A lot of the farmers around here have 100 acres here and there - not like the big spreads out west. Although I disagree with poaching, this here amounts to vermin control. The government caused it and the government should fix it. If they don't then it's only natural for farmers to do it themselves - which they're doing. Barry Glasgow Woodlawn, Ontario West Carleton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:36:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: Kolb .22 caliber Has anyone heard of a Kolb pistol? It's in .22. I asked the owner, on the phone, if it was in .22 short or LR. I suspect short, because it is a dinky little thing. I know I have heard the name before, but I can't find it in the Blue Book. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:37:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Trigger Mortis" Subject: USA - HERO GUN DAD GETS JUST 3 DAYS >June 10, 2003 -- A Navy veteran who shot a burglar as the crook crept into >his toddler's bedroom has dodged a possible three- month prison sentence >for >criminal possession of a weapon by coming clean with prosecutors. >http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/830.htm ...... >Asked what he would change if he could to turn back the clock to that >fateful night when he wounded Thompson, Dixon said: "I'd make sure I had a >license first." >Thompson, who has a lengthy rap sheet, was wounded in the chest and groin >and faces burglary charges. ======= Maybe that's what he said, but I'll bet he was thinking that dead men tell no tales. Alan Harper alan__harper@cogeco.ca SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM ************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:20:06 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: My letter to the Halifax Chronicle Herald Just submitted, not yet printed. Have you written a letter today? - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Which law next? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:20:21 -0400 From: Bruce Mills To: Editor - Halifax Chronicle-Herald Derek Toupin reveals his liberal ideology when he refers to gun owners as "rednecks". It would probably astonish him to know that such upstanding and well educated citizens as lawyers, doctors, judges, even Members of Parliament, are gun owners, too. True to liberal form, he decries the desire of such "rednecks" to keep their private business just that - private. I guess "rednecks" don't deserve the same rights as enlightened persons like Mr. Toupin. It isn't paranoia that make such "rednecks" fearful of "big brother", it is actual fact: over half of all previously legally owned and registered handguns are slated for confiscation without compensation. Several other types of firearms have been deemed to be too evil to own, and have been rounded up and destroyed. You're not paranoid if they really are out to get you. Ninety-nine percent of all guns, and all gun owners, will never commit a crime. Criminals will always get guns, registered or not, and the police will have no idea where they are. Keeping your children away from guns is the responsibility of the parent, not the State. The actions of wife beaters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of existing laws. None of these justify the transfer of responsibility onto those who have not committed any crime whatsoever. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, though - the Federal Liberals have never been big on taking responsibility for their messes, have they? Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:25:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Mark Horstead" Subject: Re: Column: The thrill of the kill; > If the cop had been exposed to guns like I was, would he have been so casual > about his weapon? Why would you think that he's casual with the tools of his trade? As one who has carried and operated a variety of weaponry, often of far greater lethality than a submachine gun, I can assure you that he is likely anything but. We respect our tools, but we are neither in awe nor fear of them. > Is it possible he learned about firearms from Sega, NWA > and Dirty Harry? Is it possible that he's been extensively trained on the real thing and understands them thoroughly? Is it possible that he lives in the real world, rather than a juvenile fantasy one? > Later in the spring, I encountered another airport cop. I couldn't resist > asking about the MP5. > > "So, have you used that thing today?" I asked. > > "Nope," he joked. "My prayers haven't been answered yet." > Maybe I asked for it. I'd say so. > But even with 11,177 virtual kills, the humour escapes > me. It probably escapes the copper, too. Does the phrase "ask a stupid question" mean anything to you? And just how many times per day over several days do you think some bonehead, perceiving himself to be witty and original, has asked the same thing? Do you think that perhaps this wears thin pretty quickly? I'd say that he was pretty polite - more so than I'd have been at least. Mark L Horstead ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:39:13 -0600 (CST) From: Ron Alton Subject: [none] Here's a copy of letter sent to CBC's "Ontario Today" radio show. Ron Alton. - --------------6E9E5B556E1E1308B8C75650 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <3EE659D5.984D5B65@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:21:10 -0700 From: Ron Alton Reply-To: apr@sympatico.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-SYMPA (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ontariotoday@cbc.ca Subject: Today's Program on Gov't Accountability Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Dave, very timely program today, badly needed as Canadians seem to vote with their heads in the sand being almost oblivious to government indiscretions that at times border on criminality. Why we have such short memories when it comes time to vote is probably the 8th Wonder of the World! Some examples of horrendous lack of accountability and outright lies concocted only for the purpose of staying in power are: 1- Trudeau's deception re no need for anti-inflation legislation when he campaigned against Robert Stanfield back in the 80's-once elected he flip-flopped on this and Turner resigned rather than play Trudeau's scapegoat role. 2-Trudeau's promise to "unify" Canada using "official bilingualism" and the "repatriation of the Constitution", ill-thought-out policies which have had the opposite effect and almost resulted in Quebec's separation on two occasions and added enormously to Canada's accumulated national debt-this is the biggest lack of cost accountability in our history as a large team of Auditor Gererals would never be able to figure out the true cost which has seriously mortgaged the futures of our kids and grandkids. 3-Trudeau's "just society" via the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which doesn't even give Canadians the right to own property-witness the recent Firearms Act fiasco which has forced law-abiding hunters to obtain Possession Licences to legally own their great grandaddy's duck gun that has been in the family for generations and if they didn't obtain this dictatorial licence they would become instant "criminals". 4-Mulroney's promise to balance the budget. 5-The idiotic omissions in Mulroney's "free trade agreement" which has caused totally unnecessary strife in the softwood lumber, steel and agricultural sectors over the long term and resulted in over 300,000 jobs lost in Ontario alone in the first 5 yrs of implementation as American branch plants closed their doors and moved back to the USA. 6-Chretien's promise to abolish the GST. 7-Chretiens's promise to amend and fix the Free Trade Agreement and if not fixable to abolish it. 8-Allan Rock's promise to abolish the duck-gun registry if the costs of implementation ever exceeded $85million-a billion dollars later we are still waiting. 9-Every Prime Minister's blatant patronage appointments, especially to the "old boys club" known as the Senate. This list could go on and on but it sickens me to dwell on it. Well how do we fix this problem of lack of government accountability? 1-For starters we need to amend the electoral system and bring about changes to actually have a representative Parliament based on the actual vote and not the number of Ridings won-this will result in coalition governments truly representing the electorate. A Prime Minister should never have the power Chretien now has based on 38% of the vote. 2-We need an elected Senate and an end to the historic double-dipping that benefits politicians and senior civil servants i.e when these people retire on government pensions they should never be appointed to any kind of government position at taxpayer expense such as Senate appointments or the varied ambassadorial varieties. 3-We need voters to have the power of "recall" wherein an MP can be fired by his voters if he doesn't follow through on his election promises. 4-MP's should have to wait until normal retirement age to collect a pension and the payout should only be prorated on a percentage basis to the number of years they served according to the same contribution and payout formula applied to civil servants which is contributions of 8% of gross salary and payout of 2%/year calculated against a 5year average salary, topping out at 35years of service. 5-We need a much enhanced "watchdog service" via a stepped-up Auditor General's Office to monitor compliance with rational spending practices and provide true accounting for taxpayers dollars spent. 6-We need to have a calendarized election schedule similar to that in the USA and abolishment of the current practice of allowing the Prime Minister the authority to call an election any time he feels it's to his or her advantage. These are some thoughts on the matter. Hopefully this discussion will expand into other forums and lead to some needed changes in how we govern ourselves. Ron P. Alton St. Joe's Island Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:20:35 -0600 (CST) From: Ron Alton Subject: Police to Enforce Long-gun Registration I cannot believe that the president of the Ont. Chiefs of Police Assn, Tom Kaye and David Griffin, Exec. Director of the Canadian Police Assn are so daft as to say the silly things they have been quoted to have said in the face of provincial government policy announcements regarding prosecutions for non-compliance with long-gun registration. These gents are being irresponsible and misleading their own membership and the public at large, not to mention the media. A police officer is duty bound to lay charges if and only if the Crown Attorney in his area is willing to accept the charges for prosecution. The Crown sets out guidelines within his area of jurisdiction and officers must follow these. Only the Crown Attorney has the authority under the law to actually prosecute ie take a charge forward in a court of law. Police officers do not have this authority unless in special circumstances it is delegated to a specific officer in a specific case by the local Crown Attorney but this is rare as there are Assistant Crowns to carry the can when necessary. Crown Attorneys have this authority under the Crown Attorneys Act, every Province has such an Act. Some officers think they can just go forward and take a charge to court but that's a fallacy, they have no such authority. I have seen officers seriously reprimanded for attempting such behaviour. Any officer who goes ahead and lays charges for circumstances that Crown Attorneys have advised they will not prosecute should have a serious reprimand on his record and if he does it again his badge should be removed and he should get a desk job. In those Provinces where the Attorney General (boss of all Crown Attorneys) has stated that long-gun registration will not be prosecuted the directives will go out to local Crowns and from them to the local and Provincial police forces and contrary to what Messrs Kaye and Griffin have stated the police are duty bound to follow the Crown's orders. In those provinces that have opted out, it will be up to the federal police, the RCMP, to lay charges if they chose to and federal prosecuters to pursue them in court if they are in turn told to do that by their federal bosses. Hopefully the RCMP will have the common sense to use dilligent discretion on this and we won't see such charges being laid despite the huffing and puffing of Wayne Easter, Solicitor General. Ron Alton Algoma-Manitoulin Riding Ontario ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #155 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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