From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #172 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, June 17 2003 Volume 06 : Number 172 In this issue: Re: Designed to kill Re: Dethroning RE: Exchange of toy guns for yummy goodies. $1000 Challenge Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #167 Business Owner Chases, Runs Over Robbery Suspects In Hummer Re: Spousal abuse protocol unveiled Re: Police vow to continue battle against marijuana possession Oops... speaking of Chief Labarge! Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #167 Gun registry won't tip police to late applications Letter: Revoke farce of gun registry Editorial: Sea Kings teach us a lot about our leaders Letter: Gun thefts won't be reported Letter: Dodging the bullets of unregistered guns ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:44:05 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Re: Designed to kill Guns were actually designed to save human life by providing food for the larder and protection against violent threat from two and four footed beasts. Sure, some individuals and most governments abuse them with deadly results, but that doesn't change the fact that they were designed to save, not take life. - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 19:44:07 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: Re: Dethroning Once the Cretin is done paying Radwanski back for his honest service of the People (as opposed to the Politburo), how long till he turns his baleful gaze upon the Ethics Commissioner and the Auditor General? I hope those two are watching their backs! They must be feeling distinctly uncomfortable, right about now. Or maybe I'm just a paranoid redneck?! I know he ate a few lunches, etc., but talk about the pot calling the kettle black! - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:50:50 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Ackermann Subject: RE: Exchange of toy guns for yummy goodies. "In exchange, children will receive an age-appropriate grab bag of candy, magazines and toys. Each child will also receive food courtesy of Pizza Pizza and Sunny Delight." I try to teach local kids that pointing toy guns at people is a bad habit. Easily learned but difficult to break. Etc. I devote a lot of time to this topic in public information displays, Eddie Eagle, and CFSC courses. So I sympathize with the cops who started this program, and I share much of their rationale. Having said this, I will ask, only partly tongue-in-cheek, how many people die anually from complications of diabetes and obesity, compared to death by gunshot? - -- M.J. Ackermann, MD (Mike) Rural Family Physician, Sherbrooke, NS President, St. Mary's Shooters Association Box 3, RR 1, 4132 Sonora Rd. Sherbrooke, NS Canada B0J 3C0 902-522-2172 My email: mikeack@ns.sympatico.ca My Bio: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mikeack/mikeack.htm SMSA URL: www.smsa.ca "Hope for the best, but plan for the worst". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:51:24 -0600 (CST) From: "Don.Hart" Subject: $1000 Challenge The Hart Family accepted and surpassed the $1000 challenge. Our success was due in large part to the efforts of my mother Earlene.Hart. I wish to encourage others to accept the challenge and not to measure your success by the amount raised, but by the fact that you made the effort. Don.Hart RFC Ottawa Trustee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:52:32 -0600 (CST) From: "Hugh Evers" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #167 > > PUBLICATION: The Calgary Sun > DATE: 2003.06.15 > EDITION: Final > SECTION: Editorial/Opinion > PAGE: C4 > COLUMN: Letters to the Editor > > > > GUN OWNERS TREATED BADLY BY THE MEDIA > > YOUR RESPONSE to Roger Jackson's letter complaining about the use of the > word "weapon" instead of "firearm" is just another example of the dismissive > treatment firearms owners receive at the hands of the media every day. The > continual use of prejudicial terms as "cache," "arsenal," "high-powered," > "assault rifle" and "weapon" only serves to paint law-abiding gun owners > with the same brush as criminals and the mentally unbalanced. It may be a > "minor quibble" to you, but it isn't to us. Perception equals reality. You > have a duty to present factual information in as unbiased a manner as > possible. > > Bruce N. Mills > > Editor (Our dictionary defines an "arm" as a weapon, Bruce.) > Editor...You simple twit.... I don't give a blistering 0^%@~* what your dictionary defines... A GUN is NOT a WEAPON UNTIL it has DONE the DEED.. Hugh Evers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:53:37 -0600 (CST) From: "Jim Pook" Subject: Business Owner Chases, Runs Over Robbery Suspects In Hummer http://www.local6.com/news/2272794/detail.html Business Owner Chases, Runs Over Robbery Suspects In Hummer Two Suspects In Critical Condition POSTED: 1:56 p.m. EDT June 16, 2003 UPDATED: 10:52 p.m. EDT June 16, 2003 A business owner in Phoenix, Arizona took matters into his own hands after a group of men robbed his business, according to a Local 6 News report. Police say three armed suspects walked into the Mr. Insurance building in Phoenix and demanded money. A fourth suspect was in the getaway car, according to the report. Investigators said after the suspects left with the store's money, the co-owner jumped into his Hummer and chased after the suspects. Police said that the man, identified only as Peter, followed the suspects through a neighborhood and eventually caught up with them. He then rolled his Hummer over their car. Two of the suspects were taken to the hospital in critical condition. The two other suspects managed to get away but police later caught them as well. It is not known if Peter will face charges. Copyright 2003 by Local6.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. - - 30 - Jim Pook Jim's Fishing Charters Box 326, Tahsis, BC V0P 1X0 (250) 934-7665 jim@tahsisbc.com www.jimsfishing.com www.tahsisbc.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:02:56 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: Spousal abuse protocol unveiled To: empower@neptune.on.ca Fascinating. In the entire article there was not one hint that spousal abusers are just as likely to be women as men. The only significant difference is that men are far less likely to report the abuse and female victims are more likely to be seriously harmed (although they are more likely to resort to using a weapon). I guess the lesson that male victims of spousal abuse can take from this is that they should continue to remain silent because they don't really exist in the eyes of Ms. Handler and the York Region anyways. After all, given your interview, it is clear Ms. Handler does not intend to educate the 5000 service providers mentioned in the article about spousal abuse of males. Is this what they talk about when they speak of "marginalizing" a group within our society? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:21:50 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: Police vow to continue battle against marijuana possession Bruce Mills quoted: > York Regional Police Chief Armand La Barge expects to lay more marijuana > charges, not less, as a result of decriminalization. > > "They should have left well enough alone," Chief La Barge said, after the > federal Liberal government announced new marijuana legislation. More blustering bullshit. Everybody is going to fight the ticket when it's a $400 fine. I hope he's got lots of spare officers to keep on the street while the rest are in court fighting marijuana tickets. > "This doesn't bode well for the future at all. (Police) needed some signal from > the federal government that (marijuana use) is not an appropriate undertaking." Well duh, neither is alcohol use to the point of inebriation. But I was never at a shift party or detachment smoker where there weren't inebriated cops everywhere - I'm willing to bet Jim Hill and Gord Hitchen have similar memories. Which makes police pretty much like most other members of society. I gather Chief La Barge figures he going to take some budget hits without having the boogeyman marijuana around... > The legislation calls for a commitment of an additional $245 million over five > years for law enforcement and education aimed at discouraging drug use among > youths. Given that the greatest amount of drug abuse amongst youths - and the one that will stay with more of them through their adult lives and cost more of them their lives than any other drug - is the drug alcohol, I wonder how much money will be spent on enforcement and education dealing with alcohol? > "Decriminalization will equal legalization to some people," he said. "I'm > convinced we'll see a spike in the number of marijuana charges." Well Duh, Chief, if you're going to instruct your officers to lay more charges I guess it follows there will be a rise in marijuana charges in your area, won't there now? > At the very least, officers need more time to ensure they are properly trained > and equipped to deal with spikes in criminal activity that may stem from > decriminalizing pot. What spikes would these be? > "There's no way this will be law in a month," he said. "Even if they go flat > out, it can't happen. My main concern is that there is a strong anti-drug > strategy in place before it is passed, that people know decriminalization > doesn't mean it's safe." I hope Mr. Wilfert is equally as committed to making people aware that just because alcohol has been decriminalized, it isn't safe either. > "Marijuana is a gateway drug," he said. "It can lead to increased drug use and > criminal activity. As soon as I hear some moron talking about marijuana being "a gateway drug", I get particularly alarmed when I find they actually fill some official capacity. Shades of Reefer Madness! Chief La Barge, at the very least, should find the energy to read Gil Puder's excellent paper "The Empire Strikes Back", available through the Fraser Institute. A particularly clear view of the relationship between police and drug enforcement. Worst of all, Gil Puder was a cop... and a damned good one. > Instead of a national drug strategy from the federal government, police forces > have been dealt a crushing blow in their fight to combat drug use and traffic > enforcement, Chief La Barge said. Don't worry Chief, it's not like the wheels just fell off the drug enforcement industry in Canada. It will continue to grow like it has for the last decade or so. Your budget is safe in that respect. > "I'm encouraging officers to be aggressive in their enforcement," he said, Oh! Well now we know where those spikes in criminal activity will come from he was warning us about! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:23:12 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Oops... speaking of Chief Labarge! Bruce Mills also quoted > York Regional Police Chief Armand La Barge's war on marijuana grow houses is > siphoning resources from efforts to control other, more serious drugs, says the > head of the police union. > > "We are focusing too much on marijuana," John Miskiw, president of the York > Regional Police Association, said during a public meeting on staffing and > funding issues Thursday night. Damn! Another disloyal bastard not toeing the party line! And that after Chief LaBarge had just given his "circle the wagons" alarm cry... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:23:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Mark Horstead" Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #167 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Evers" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #167 > Editor...You simple twit.... > I don't give a blistering 0^%@~* what your dictionary defines... > A GUN is NOT a WEAPON UNTIL it has DONE the DEED.. > Hugh Evers All of my firearms are weapons. Weapons are honourable things, and the tools of my profession. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:25:44 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Gun registry won't tip police to late applications NOTE: This story also appeared in The Edmonton Journal. Versions of this story without the Breitkreuz quote appeared in the Saskatoon Star Phoenix and the Kingston Whig-Standard. PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.06.17 EDITION: Final SECTION: News PAGE: A4 BYLINE: Tim Naumetz SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gun registry won't tip police to late applications - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Canadian Firearms Centre does not intend to tip police to gun owners who have been violating federal laws for two years if they come forward and apply for licences and registration certificates. Although the government has repeatedly dismissed Canadian Alliance demands for an amnesty on licensing and registration requirements because of backlogs and system problems, a spokesman for the firearms centre says it will not pursue owners who attempt to comply with the law. Opponents of the firearms registry have been circulating rumours that the centre intends to notify local police if gun owners who have not complied with the Firearms Act and the Criminal Code attempt to get licences or register weapons, spokesman David Austin said yesterday. "That's another thing that's been going around, that they'll come to apply and the police will be notified. That won't happen," Mr. Austin said in an interview. At least 300,000 of the estimated 2.3 million firearms owners in Canada have yet to apply for licences, even though the deadline for licensing expired Jan. 1, 2001. Although the government estimates there are 7.9 million firearms in the country, only 6.3 million have been registered, with the final deadline for receiving a registration certificate June 30. The deadline for applications was Jan. 1, but Justice Minister Martin Cauchon gave owners a six-month grace period to receive their certificates if they had applied before the deadline. Mr. Cauchon later extended the grace period to any gun owners who wrote letters of intent prior to the January deadline telling the government they intended to register their firearms before June 30. The centre received about 75,000 letters. Solicitor General Wayne Easter is now in charge of the registry. Mr. Austin said the centre has consistently been lenient with gun owners who have failed to meet the successive deadlines, making it clear all along that they will not be charged if they contact the centre. "The rumour that was circulated, and it tended to inflame discussions because people got unnecessarily concerned, people were being told that 'well, if you applied late, they were going to notify the local police.'" said Mr. Austin. "We have not been doing that and we have no intention of doing that." Alliance MP Garry Breitkreuz called the strategy ridiculous, saying gun owners who don't yet have licences will still fear charges if they contact the firearms centre. "If the purpose is to get guns in the registry and to get people licensed, he (Mr. Easter) should declare an amnesty," said Mr. Breitkreuz. "People are not going to phone the firearms centre and say 'am I going to be a criminal or will I get charged?' That's absurd. Many of them won't trust the government." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:26:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Revoke farce of gun registry PUBLICATION: The Moncton Times and Transcript DATE: 2003.06.17 SECTION: Opinion PAGE: D8 COLUMN: Readers' Forum - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revoke farce of gun registry - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To The Editor: Justice Minister Martin Cauchon wants to lighten the penalties for possession of marijuana to help relieve our crowded court system (drug cases) and to reduce the cost to taxpayers. What a smart idea. I'm sure this won't lead to any problems. This same man is responsible for the implementation of the new firearms registry program over the past year. I have been following this program and this is what I have observed: A few firearm owners have registered all of their guns, some have registered one or two but have many more that aren't registered, and a lot haven't registered any of their guns and don't intend to. Why? Firearm owners don't care what Ottawa thinks when it comes to gun control. The reason is they all know it will do nothing to prevent crime and won't work. They also believe this is the first step in total gun confiscation. The government has spent almost $1 billion on this already, with no end in sight. When asked about getting caught most such gun owners just smile and comment on the Charter of Rights violations and will have their day in court. Now, if the federal government plans to enforce the new firearms law there is going to be a lot of people in court. It's estimated there are hundreds of thousands who haven't fully complied with the new law. That's a huge potential for court cases that will take years to resolve and we taxpayers will be on the hook for the money to do this. To what end? The federal government needs to scrap this registry, admit they were wrong, and get on with wasting more money on something else. Maybe the justice minister isn't as smart as he thinks he is, but we taxpayers let him do this. . . maybe it's the pot we're smoking. Paul Woodworth, Riverview (Via e-mail) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:27:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Editorial: Sea Kings teach us a lot about our leaders PUBLICATION: The Ottawa Citizen DATE: 2003.06.17 EDITION: Final SECTION: Editorial PAGE: A14 SOURCE: The Ottawa Citizen - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sea Kings teach us a lot about our leaders - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A visitor from outer space might think the front-page story in yesterday's Citizen about the military's ongoing attempts to replace its Sea King helicopters proves that the process has been shamelessly manipulated to protect the prime minister from embarrassment. Not at all. It has been clear since the mid-1990s that Jean Chretien's denunciation of the Mulroney government's preferred replacement, the EH-101 Cormorant, as a "Cadillac" was ill-informed, but he was too proud to admit it. And that no amount of bureaucratic hocus-pocus by the ready-aye-ready top brass could get him off the hook. We can learn a lot from yesterday's revelation that under existing specifications, only one competitor -- Team Cormorant -- was able to meet the military's endurance requirements which "have proven too stringent for the marketplace" and so the military bureaucracy's goal "is to rationalize specification to the operational requirement" to increase competition for the helicopter replacement program. We can also learn much from the government's willingness to jettison torpedoes, spotlights, cargo hooks and life-rafts to keep the prime minister's reputation aloft. We learn that the people who run this country are willing to lower public expectations about government behaviour to the point that future governments will not have to worry about avoiding scandal because people will be resigned to it. Sadly, the Sea Kings are not an isolated example. Forget HRDC, the long-gun registry or multimillion-dollar government advertising programs. Focus instead on Gerry Byrne, the secretary of state for the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency, who is defending having thousands of dollars of voluntary contributions mailed to his home, then spending the money without keeping receipts. Or Martin Cauchon, the federal minister of Justice, who is stalling on the RCMP's request that serious bribery charges be laid against two immigration judges. Politics will never be free of mistakes or evasions. But we must remain shocked at them and refuse to elect governments that think plausible deniability is too much to ask. Not only are they governing badly, they're starting to insult us on purpose. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:28:51 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Gun thefts won't be reported PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2003.06.17 EDITION: Final SECTION: Letters PAGE: A9 BYLINE: Robin Johnston SOURCE: Times Colonist - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gun thefts won't be reported - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The federal gun control registry is supposed to make it safer out there by having the source of all firearms tracked and lawful owners registered. The success of the registry depends on the compliance of gun owners to register. Most owners have not registered or do not plan to register their firearms. Of those who have registered, most have not registered all their firearms. Now the provinces are saying they will not prosecute citizens who have not registered on the grounds it makes criminals out of otherwise law-abiding people. The Coalition for Gun Control said 5,832 firearms were reported stolen in 1998. Now how many of those stolen guns would be reported under the current system? Would you report a stolen gun if it was a federal criminal offence, on your record forever, to have it in your possession unregistered? Probably not. What we have now is a perfect opportunity for the criminals at large to steal firearms from homes and to have that theft go unreported. This is exactly what the gun registry was supposed to stop -- and unfortunately now is encouraging unreported theft. A voluntary registry is not a bad thing, and in time would probably gain wide acceptance. To make it a criminal offence not to register is a dangerous thing for all of us. Robin Johnston, Victoria. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 08:30:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Letter: Dodging the bullets of unregistered guns PUBLICATION: Times Colonist (Victoria) DATE: 2003.06.17 EDITION: Final SECTION: Letters PAGE: A9 BYLINE: Rick Wood SOURCE: Times Colonist - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dodging the bullets of unregistered guns - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: " Gun registry farce continues," June 9. The editorial raised some critical and valid points, especially regarding financial costs of gun registry. However, the issue that really needs to be discussed is why, in comparison to some countries, our firearm death rates are so high. According to "Firearms Regulations: Canada in the International Context," current death rates from guns in Canada were 0.6 per 100,000, more than eight times higher than those in the United Kingdom (0.07 per 100,000). Death rates from firearms in the U.S. were 6.24 per 100,000, a staggering 89 times higher than those of the U.K. and 10 times higher than those of Canada! These differences may be due the stricter application of controls in the U.K. or the more lax ones in the U.S. Either way, these disparities should be considered when examining the potential effectiveness of a practical, albeit extremely expensive, gun registry. On the other hand, in a reactive way, we could perhaps cling to the hope that we may just be able to dodge the bullet. Rick Wood, Victoria. ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #172 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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