From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #198 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Tuesday, June 24 2003 Volume 06 : Number 198 In this issue: FW: The enquiry that has been assigned/forwarded to me. IT HAD TO HAPPEN ??? CFC COMMENTS. George Orwell's new book could be called 2003 Thirteen thousand grizzlies not much for province this vast 'Bushman of Pitt Lake' captured Victim was dragged from police station Dad vows to track gang that beat sons RE: cats & bunnies STUFF I LEARNED FROM THE DIGEST Re: STUFF I LEARNED FROM THE DIGEST Privacy Commissioner Re: FW: The enquiry that has been assigned/forwarded to me. Bear hunt has misplaced value Knock, flash of badge started a nightmare Elections B.C. tries to find missing voters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:00:01 -0600 (CST) From: "brian stewart" Subject: FW: The enquiry that has been assigned/forwarded to me. This is the new faster service? Fast for lieberals perhaps. - -----Original Message----- From: Canadian Firearms Centre [mailto:Canadian.Firearms@justice.gc.ca] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:38 AM To: brian.stewart@sympatico.ca Subject: FW: The enquiry that has been assigned/forwarded to me. > This is the action taken for the Enquiry (E20035785027) made by Brian Stewart (brian.stewart@sympatico.ca) on 01/19/2003 > > > DATE OF RESPONSE : 06/24/2003 > > RESPONSE TO ENQUIRY : > > A review of our files indicates we may not have replied to your email. If you have not received the information you requested, please accept our apologies. > > If you still require assistance, please call our information line at 1 800 731-4000 and speak with a call agent. A call agent can check your file while you are on the line and can provide direct and immediate assistance. > > Our call centre is open from 8:30 am until 8:00 pm from Monday to Friday, and is also open on weekends. > > Please note that status checks into licence and registration applications can now be done on-line. To use this new service, please visit our main page at and choose the type of application you wish to check. > > Yours truly, > > Communications Group > Canadian Firearms Centre > > > QUESTION ASKED : > > > -----Original Message----- > From: brian stewart [mailto:brian.stewart@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:06 AM > To: canadian.firearms@justice.gc.ca > Subject: third attempt > > > Is anyone home, > > > > This is my third attempt in as many weeks to get a very simple question answered and still no reply. I am not asking some obscure policy question I just want to know how long it will take to get a PAL processed? > > > > Brian Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:02:44 -0600 (CST) From: Med Crotteau Subject: IT HAD TO HAPPEN ??? CFC COMMENTS. "The thought Police are Active in Canada." While talking to a clerk in a Sporting Goods Store this AM, he asked about the Gun Registration. All of the Store Guns, were lined up behind him, with a Coated Cable threaded through the Trigger Guards. I had shown him one of my Decals, and he pointed to One on the shelf above the Guns....., It made referance, to A Car and the Danger Compared to a Gun. I could hardly believe what he said Next?? Those Useless Anal Openings from the CFC, had done an Inspection on his Facility, and then "Complained about the Decal inciting thoughts".......or some such thing?? Apparently he was not supposed to display such Comments in his Store. I wonder why i don't feel safer in this Culture of Safety in Canada, that Martin Cauchon MP espouses, when he Lies to the Canadian People concerning C-68 ( Chapter 39 ). Now we have Sign Police in the West, just like the Language Police in Quebec?? Will we be able to get on the BC Ferry System, going to Victoria BC, for the start of the SEA TO SEA RALLY, on Monday June 30/03, with the Signs, T-Shrts and Decals for the Peaceful Protest Rally ? I am getting Angry, and Frustrated about the Apparent & Continued Discrimination, towards the Ladies & Gentlemen of the Firearms Community in Canada. Law Abiding People who have done no wrong, and yet the despot is currently Fixated on the Confiscation of our Guns, ( Under the Guise of Registration ),and seemingly at all Costs? Is there any way we Canadians, can Block his attempt to become the Leader of the UN? Again, i question those Useless Anal Openings with the CFC, and the NWEST group, who are somewhat responsible for the Death of a 60 Year Old Man in Coquitlam BC, while serving a Search Warrant, when will you stop Wasting the Canadian Taxpayers Dollars? Just think, NWEST is now serving Search Warrants, instead of Weapons Recognition, and Smuggling of same, as was their original Mandate? I hope someone has the Knowledge and the Ability, to get the Coroner to look into the Death, of that 60 Year Old Man in Coquitlam, and explain the Reason for the lack of info about it !! A Teenager with a Pellet Gun, and the Media has a Long Winded Disertation about Guns being Seized. Yet something serious like a Death, and it's Hushed Up.......?? WHY ?? " ONLY CROOKED POLITICIANS FEAR ARMED CITIZENS" spoken by an Old Man in Falkland BC. KEEP YOUR POWDER DRY!!! MED member of LUFA, and Proud of it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:02:30 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: George Orwell's new book could be called 2003 http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/letters/story.asp?id=E02F59AE-DE49-41C7-B413-000DB8440941 George Orwell's new book could be called 2003 Letters to the Editor Vancouver Sun Tuesday, June 24, 2003 An article in the Saturday Sun reported that a Coquitlam man barricaded himself in his house to prevent a search by the RCMP Weapons Enforcement Support Team (60-year-old commits suicide, June 21). What on Earth is the Weapons Enforcement Support Team? Sounds very Orwellian to me. Richard Farbridge Vancouver © Copyright 2003 Vancouver Sun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:03:29 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Thirteen thousand grizzlies not much for province this vast http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/letters/story.asp?id=E9699298-BCE9-4762-8C6C-81348AEF8ECB Thirteen thousand grizzlies not much for province this vast Letters to the Editor Vancouver Sun Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Joyce Murray claims that people should have a choice when they come to B.C. as to whether to view grizzly bears or kill them (Grizzly bear viewing more valuable, June 18). That doesn't make a great deal of sense. When I travel to another country I certainly don't expect to be given the choice as to whether I can kill things or view animals. If the government's estimates of the numbers of grizzlies are correct at 13,000, then I think it's time to re-implement the hunting ban. Thirteen thousand grizzlies is not many for a province as vast as ours. This hunt only feeds the large egos of little minds. Thomas Mungo Shuley New Westminster © Copyright 2003 Vancouver Sun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:51:11 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: 'Bushman of Pitt Lake' captured http://www.canada.com/vancouver/story.asp?id=0BABE6F8-4B15-471D-8D8C-85C1EAE5AE7E 'Bushman of Pitt Lake' captured Police arrest man in case reminiscent of Bushman of Shuswap Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Emergency response crews conducting an overnight search on Pitt Lake captured a suspect paddling a canoe. (Global BC) Peter Robert Hunt, 29, is in police custody. (B.C. RCMP) PITT MEADOWS, B.C. (CP) -- A suspect was arrested after RCMP launched an intensive, high-tech search for a man nicknamed the Bushman of Pitt Lake. Peter Robert Hunt, age 29, is being held in custody in Maple Ridge. Ridge Meadows RCMP said officers using night-vision goggles managed to track down the man as he canoed across Pitt Lake on Monday night. Cpl. Rhonda Stoner said Hunt tried to evade capture, but was unable to outpaddle his pursuers. Hunt is suspected of stealing property from cabins around Pitt Lake about 60 kilometres east of Vancouver. He is wanted on an outstanding warrant for parole violations. Officers were called late Monday when witnesses chased a man to a boat loaded with stolen property. The man got away but the property was seized. The so-called Bushman of the Shuswap was a jail fugitive who hid from police for two years in the woods near Shuswap Lake. © Copyright 2003 Canadian Press ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:51:51 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Victim was dragged from police station http://www.canada.com/vancouver/news/story.asp?id=62D189C7-7247-415A-94C3-0C5962C18C2A Victim was dragged from police station Police complaint commissioner reopens case of man dumped, drunk and soaking, in cold alley Adrienne Tanner The Province Tuesday, June 24, 2003 For four years, the jailhouse video showing the last moments of Frank Paul's life remained locked up as a piece of evidence in the internal investigation that probed his death. Now, B.C.'s police complaint commissioner has reopened the case and released the tape to a Victoria lawyer representing family members of the Mi'kMaq from Big Cove, N.B. Paul, 47, died of exposure Dec. 6, 1998, after Vancouver police dumped him in an alley, drunk and soaking wet in near zero temperatures. He had been in contact with police four times in 18 hours. The first time he waved away help and got up on his own. During the second and third calls, he was unable to stand and was taken to jail. On the fourth time, he was taken to the coroner. The officers told internal investigators they released Paul because, although he was drunk, they believed he could care for himself, said Steve Kelliher, the Paul family's lawyer. The video shows he was so incapacitated it took two guards to drag him from jail to the police wagon. After an internal police investigation, two officers were given one- and two-day suspensions. There was no public hearing or coroner's inquest into the death. Paul's family has long suspected the internal investigation was a whitewash, and earlier this month called for the release of the tape and a hearing into his death. Ryneveld yesterday released the tape. "The family deserves to know the facts concerning Mr. Paul's death in light of conflicting reports this family had received regarding the circumstances," he said. Paul's sister, Francis Jourdain, said initially the family was told Paul died in a hit-and-run car accident. "I feel good because everybody's going to know what happened to my brother. He walked on two legs, he was a human being and he always helped people," she said. Jourdain said she is angry because his death was so unnecessary. "All they had to do was let him dry off, let him sober up. I'm glad the tape is being released because people are going to know and that higher-ups can't do this to an Indian." The commissioner said he was swayed to reopen the case by recent new information which caused him concern about the way it was handled. A jailhouse guard who earlier this month read about Paul's family's request called The Province with his story. He said he believes a report he wrote about the Paul incident never reached the proper authorities. "My partner and I wrote a report which I don't think ever got to where it was supposed to go," said the guard, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "I assumed we'd be called, but nobody ever talked to me." He said when he helped lift Paul into the police wagon it was on the understanding that police would drive him home. Ryneveld said it would be inappropriate to discuss the new evidence at this point. Kelliher said the Paul family hopes the tape will prompt further investigation. "With this evidence in the public forum, it will be apparent to those in authority that there must be a public hearing." Ryneveld said he needs time to review the new evidence before deciding on the proper course of action. The case raises serious questions about the Vancouver Police Department's internal investigation process, says Kelliher. "It is not reasonable to expect a thorough investigation by the VPD of its own members," he said. atanner@png.canwest.com © Copyright 2003 The Province ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:52:21 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Dad vows to track gang that beat sons http://www.canada.com/vancouver/news/story.asp?id=B7A6E190-F2E7-4976-BCA8-C75905749AE6 Dad vows to track gang that beat sons Attacked in his backyard, one young man lost an eye Petti Fong Vancouver Sun Tuesday, June 24, 2003 A 20-year-old athlete lost an eye and his older brother suffered a cracked vertebra when they were beaten by a gang of youths who tried to crash a birthday party. Andrew Cooke, 20, lost the eye when he was hit with a nail-studded board off a fence during the attack at the family's west side home. His brother Gabriel, 22, was also severely beaten. Dr. Donald Cooke, the father of the two young men, said Monday the family wants to make sure the four or five youths who brutally beat his sons are caught by police. "We will retain a lawyer and pursue this if police drop the case. We will pursue this regardless of the cost because it's important for my sons to know we've tried our best to find the people who did this." The brothers were helping their younger sister celebrate her 14th birthday with a group of her friends when a number of older teenagers tried to crash the backyard party. Neither Gabriel, a recent graduate of the University of Western Ontario, nor Andrew wanted to talk about the attack Monday. Andrew, a second-year arts student at the University of B.C. , was released from Vancouver General Hospital Saturday after undergoing surgery Thursday to remove his damaged eye. He was a provincial track team member in hurdles and played on the UBC soccer team. At Lord Byng high school, he was a basketball and soccer star. Cooke, a surgeon at Burnaby Hospital, said the attackers --aged about 18 or 19 - -- arrived by car at the rear of the family's home in the 2900 block of West 41st Avenue and tried to enter the backyard. One of the young men headbutted Gabriel and when Andrew tried to stop the fight, he too was attacked. While frightened 14-year-old party-goers looked on, the two brothers were beaten and stomped. Breaking a neighbour's cedar fence, one of the attackers used the broken board like a bat and smashed Andrew's face, rupturing his eye and shattering his cheek. Their father, who was in the house at the time, said that by the time someone called him, the gang was gone and his sons were lying unmoving on the ground. "It was scary. I thought my older boy was paralysed and my other boy, I was worried he had significant brain injury. His eye was all swollen." Since the attack last Tuesday, Karen Cooke, the victims' mother, said she's been told by police and neighbours that a gang of older teenagers in the neighbourhood is becoming increasingly violent. "People are afraid of this group of guys," she said. "They seem to just go around beating up other young men. The violence is escalating and these guys are going to kill someone." While Karen and Donald Cooke said they are worried publicity might provoke the youths into doing the family further harm, they said they feel compelled to speak up. "I'm hoping these kids are prosecuted and I'm hoping they're over 19 so they have to face some serious consequences for their actions," Karen Cooke said. "From what we've been told by police and others in the neighbourhood, this isn't the first time these kids have caused trouble. Unless someone does something, it won't be the last." © Copyright 2003 Vancouver Sun ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:05:38 -0600 (CST) From: "Edward III" Subject: RE: cats & bunnies Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:46:51 -0600 (CST) From: B Farion Subject: Re: Cats and bunnies > SENATOR GREIG: Yeah, but why not make it a finish as well. Let's do it > thoroughly. Let's get all automatic and semi-automatic weapons out of > our communities. Hi; And then all them feral pussycats and bunnies can come forth and multiply! Because you will have nothing to shoot them with! And I always thought only Chinese eat cats. So feral Canadians eat them too, eh? Ed ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:07:32 -0600 (CST) From: "BOB LICKACZ" Subject: STUFF I LEARNED FROM THE DIGEST Yesterday afternoon I came up to a stop sign on 170 Street here in Edmonton. There was a break in the traffic and I decided to turn right onto this major road. A fair distance away, was a large cop like car coming down the road. I had plenty of room so I turned onto 170 Street. I stepped on the gas just in case the guy in the car was going faster than he should have going. Well about 125 yards down the road the light on 170th turns amber, then red. I came to a nice un- hurried stop. I looked into the rear view mirror to see if the car behind me was stopping. Well said driver did come to a stop behind my car and turned on his flashing strobe/signal lights. He didn't look too happy. It was a nice day and I knew I did nothing wrong so I decided to engage my new found friend. He flashed his RCMP badge and implied that I'd cut him off. I said "But officer, that turn I made was over a 100 yards back, exactly how fast were you going? From what I understand the rules of the road regarding speeding apply to pony boys too". Mr. Pony boy's blood pressure must have gone up a bit because his face turned all red. Before he could answer me I said, "Y'know it doesn't appear as if you left any skid marks, and there doesn't seem to be any smoke from screeching tires does there officer? Given the fact that you didn't hit me and because we are 125 yards past my turning point, I'll bet you were speeding weren't you?" Mr. Pony boy (who wasn't in uniform) seemed a bit taken aback by my lack of intimidation. To help things along a bit, I reach over to my glove box where I keep my pocket tape recorder, and turned it on, pointing it at Mr. Pony boy. I then asked Mr. Pony boy for his badge number. I then asked him if it was appropriate for him to be attempting to enforce the Traffic Act within the City of Edmonton limits. Mr. Pony boy was a bit slow in his snappy comeback. Mr. Pony boy told me he didn't appreciate being cut off. He then got back into his car and drove off. Not before I got his license plate number, though. Bob Lickacz Criminal, LUFA Member ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:18:55 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Re: STUFF I LEARNED FROM THE DIGEST BOB LICKACZ wrote: > Mr. Pony boy told me he didn't appreciate being cut off. He then got > back into his car and drove off. Not before I got his license plate > number, though. > > Bob Lickacz > Criminal, LUFA Member May I have your permission to post this to a bulletin board, as long as I file all the serial numbers off first? It fits right in with a discussion we are currently having. Yours in Liberty, Bruce Hamilton Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:59:38 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Privacy Commissioner http://www.privcom.gc.ca/information/fr_010813_e.asp Review of the Personal Information Handling Practices of the Canadian Firearms Program Department of Justice Canada and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Final Report - August 29, 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:00:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Powlesland Subject: Re: FW: The enquiry that has been assigned/forwarded to me. On Tue, 24 Jun 2003, brian stewart wrote: > This is the new faster service? Fast for lieberals perhaps. They sent me the same form letter. I had two inquiries they never answered. So I just emailed them back. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:55:48 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Bear hunt has misplaced value http://www.canada.com/victoria/timescolonist/letters/story.asp?id=379809D6-019A-4E8D-8403-FE125FE2AEE0 Bear hunt has misplaced value Times Colonist Letters to the Editor Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Re: "Government in no hurry to shut down grizzly hunt," June 19. If studies show that a live grizzly is worth twice as much as a dead one, then why are we killing them? If we are -- as we claim -- a nation of peace-loving people who generally dislike guns and condemn others (especially our southern neighbours) for owning and using so many, then why are we enticing people to bring their high-powered, scope-mounted weapons (of mass destruction) here to Canada for the intended purpose of killing anything, and especially something that we know is more valuable to us alive than dead? I'm just a little confused and wonder if anyone -- particularly our minister responsible for "protection" -- can help me understand the situation. Perhaps she could also clarify her comment about how "hunting does not risk grizzly bear population numbers." It's extremely difficult for me to understand how killing them can improve their population. Shirley Semken, Victoria. © Copyright 2003 Times Colonist (Victoria) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:56:23 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Knock, flash of badge started a nightmare http://www.canada.com/victoria/news/story.asp?id=F96CE03C-92D0-4367-BD7C-D69F95A60F96 Knock, flash of badge started a nightmare Sandra McCulloch Times Colonist Tuesday, June 24, 2003 A 33-year-old Victoria man was wakened at 3 a.m. on March 15, 2002, to an adult male and a youth standing at his Balmoral Road apartment door. The visitor introduced himself as a police officer. He wore a police hat and flashed an official-looking badge. The occupant was disoriented and wasn't wearing his glasses. He let the pair into his apartment. A B.C. Supreme Court jury and Justice Gina Quijano heard Monday an outline of the Crown's case against Charles Michael William Kavanagh, who is in court on charges of sexual assault of a Victoria man, and break and enter. The man's name cannot be published. Prosecutor Ruth Picha said seven Crown witnesses, including the victim, will take the stand over the next five days. The entire trial is set for nine days. The knock on the door led to "what can only be described as a nightmare" for the victim, Picha told the jury. He was ordered to strip naked, made to lie face-down on his couch where he was tied up, whipped, sexually assaulted and robbed. The apartment was ransacked. The victim was threatened with death if he didn't deliver more money the following day to a rendezvous point outside Zellers at Hillside Shopping Centre, said Picha. He made the appointed rendezvous but also alerted police, who set up a surveillance operation. The jury was told a 15-year-old youth was arrested at the mall and pleaded guilty in youth court to extortion. Kavanagh, 45, was arrested on March 16, 2002, and has been detained in custody. The trial continues today. © Copyright 2003 Times Colonist (Victoria) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 17:56:52 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Elections B.C. tries to find missing voters http://www.canada.com/victoria/news/story.asp?id=5D24684E-5782-4C97-9E53-2EA53FA9202F Elections B.C. tries to find missing voters Bill Cleverley Times Colonist Tuesday, June 24, 2003 Elections B.C. is hoping to lure almost a million potential voters out of the woodwork. According to Statistics Canada there are 2.9 million eligible voters in the province but only 2.1 million are on the voters list, Elections B.C. spokeswoman Jennifer Miller said Monday. "What they (Stats Can) have basically done is looked at all the qualifications - -- all those in the province that are 18 years of age or older. They've looked at the six-month residency requirements and Canadian citizenship, and they've given us a number of 2.9 million. On our voters list right now we only have 2.1 million," Miller said. Stats Can can provide neither the ethnicity of those not on the list nor areas where the 800,000 might be, Miller said. So tracking them down won't be that easy. The number of eligible voters has increased from two million to three million in B.C. in the last 20 years while at the same time voter participation has dropped, Miller said. Lack of competitiveness in elections and a change in peoples' values are two major factors in why potential voters aren't participating, according to a study done by the Centre for Research and Information on Canada. Elections B.C. has tried a variety of ways to get these eligible voters out, but with limited success, Miller said. "We've visited all the universities and colleges in registration drives. Of course we did our (mailout) '99 enumeration. It cost $4 million and after completing that enumeration we were only able to get 26,000 new voters," Miller said. Another enumeration is to begin May 3, 2004, but Elections B.C. is looking for other methods of attracting potential voters to register. "Door-to-door enumeration definitely doesn't work and it's very costly -- about $14 million. The mailout enumeration we did in '99, again, wasn't very productive. ... We're definitely hoping to do something that's less money and more effective," she said. Methods could range from setting up booths in shopping malls to toll-free registration numbers. © Copyright 2003 Times Colonist (Victoria) ------------------------------ End of Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #198 ********************************** Submissions: mailto:cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Mailing List Commands: mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Moderator's e-mail address: mailto:akimoya@cogeco.ca List owner: mailto:owner-cdn-firearms@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca FAQ list: http://www.magma.ca/~asd/cfd-faq1.html and http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Faq/cfd-faq1.html Web Site: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/homepage.html FTP Site: ftp://teapot.usask.ca/pub/cdn-firearms/ CFDigest Archives: http://www.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca/~ab133/ or put the next command in an e-mail message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca get cdn-firearms-digest v04.n192 end (192 is the digest issue number and 04 is the volume) To unsubscribe from _all_ the lists, put the next five lines in a message and mailto:majordomo@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca unsubscribe cdn-firearms-digest unsubscribe cdn-firearms-alert unsubscribe cdn-firearms-chat unsubscribe cdn-firearms end (To subscribe, use "subscribe" instead of "unsubscribe".) 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