From: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca (Cdn-Firearms Digest) To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Subject: Cdn-Firearms Digest V6 #273 Reply-To: cdn-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Sender: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Errors-To: owner-can-firearms-digest@sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca Precedence: normal Cdn-Firearms Digest Monday, July 14 2003 Volume 06 : Number 273 In this issue: New Brunswick Federal Prosecutor Re: Ayn Rand's insight into todays world...... Re: Expect national ID card by 2005, Coderre says Re: I Am A Subject, Not A Citizen Re: Aids etc. RE:Ayn Rand's insight into todays world...... Boy on way home from Indy shot with BB gun Re: Aids etc. Letter to the Editor of the Ottawa Sun 13 July 2003 NB - 47,029 applied for a moose hunting licence this year Re: Expect national ID card by 2005, Coderre says Column: What did Canada actually get for its $1-billion gun registry? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:39:20 -0600 (CST) From: Edward Hudson Subject: New Brunswick Federal Prosecutor Thursday, 26June2003 David Hitchcock, Federal Prosecutor 111 Main St Fredericton, New Brunswick E3A 1C6 Dear Mr Hitchcock, Re: Evidence of Contravention of an Unjust Law Please find enclosed a home video recording which I made of two of our members contravening several sections of the Firearms Act and the related sections of the Criminal Code of Canada. We have also enclosed a photograph of ourselves and signed affidavits which state that we have not registered our firearms, have no intention of registering our firearms, and will continue to own firearms without a license. Hopefully, this amount of voluntarily submitted evidence will be enough to prod you into laying charges against us under the Firearms Act so that we can demonstrate in court how the Firearms Act violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, specifically our rights to privacy, security of person, presumption of innocence, association, representation, mobility, and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. If we could do more peacefully, nonviolently to contravene this unjust law we would gladly do so. To protect Liberty, this discriminatory law must be repealed. We will be at the Legislative Building in Fredericton on Tuesday, 15 July 2003 at noon. We would appreciate your having the RCMP on hand to arrest us at that time. Thanking you in advance for your consideration and cooperation. Sincerely, Edward B. Hudson DVM, MS Secretary, CUFOA Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association 402 Skeena Crt Saskatoon Saskatchewan S7K 4H2 1-306-230-8929 (cell) 1-306-242-2379 edwardhudson@shaw.ca www.cufoa.ca CC: Bradley Green, Minister of Justice of New Brunswick Prime Minister Jean Chrétien Wayne Easter, Solicitor General of Canada Garry Breitkreuz, MP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:50:52 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: Ayn Rand's insight into todays world...... Ed Tait wrote: Rick > I yield to your clearly superior knowledge of Ms. Rand.... Beaten mercilessly into me by a prof - who was an utter totalitarian despite his love of Rand, and who accepted no other opinion than his own. If indeed I have superior knowledge at all... I wouldn't begin to claim any particular authority regarding Ayn Rand. She has been and continues to be analyzed to death, but I'm not one of those doing the analyzing. > Regardless the lengthy reality of Ms. Rand's life, the entirety of her > positions and with respect, your positions on same, I put it to you that in > the specificity of the quote I offered and again, in my judgment solely, not > wishing to dispute any of your points offered in rebuttal, nor engage in a > lengthy discourse in this regard, she had it 'plugged'..... With all due respect Ed, we would have to disagree on that - especially regarding that particular quote. I don't believe that the FA - or many other pieces of legislation - are about controlling people or making criminals, or anything else Rand wrote about. I believe that some are well meaning, but many more are about maintaining control of THE VOTE. In other words, the bottom line boils down to: "will this gain us more votes than it will lose us"? The first job of a politician is getting re-elected, remember. Go to: http://www.lowe.ca/Rick/FirearmsLegislation/MainPage.htm And then look for the section headed "Why Has Canada Spent Over A Billion Dollars To Register Firearms?" and click on the link to the newspaper article. It is only one small part of the puzzle, of course, but when you read of why Chretien brought in registration, it pretty clearly illustrates it was a process that had nothing to do with Rand's view of why laws are brought into force. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:52:08 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: Expect national ID card by 2005, Coderre says > Canadians could be carrying a new, sophisticated form of identification by > 2005. Immigration Minister Denis Coderre says a national identification > card -- equipped with the latest security features -- is on the way. > Coderre told Sun Media the proposed ID cards -- complete with biometric > security safeguards -- would make it easier for Canadians to enter foreign > countries. In fact, within five years you won't be able to enter a major > industrialized country without one, Coderre said. And none of the thick things working for Sun Media even thought to ask Coderre why he wants to bring his proposed ID card - instead of the good old passport equipped with the advanced features he believes will be necessary? Didn't that make any of those reporters go "Hmmmmmm..."? As an immigration officer or de facto immigration officer (ie Customs Officer at primary, RCMP officer in Immigration section, etc) just how do I stamp an electronic ID card or examine the "stamps" in an electronic ID card? How do I attach a visa to an electronic ID card as I would to a passport? What is going to be easier for me to examine for detectible irregularities with somebody standing in front of me - a paper passport with enhanced features or a credit card electronic ID card? I just take a quick look at the hex and binary data incluced in the card, huh? Yeah, I read hex and binary like I read the comic strip... Given that, there must be some OTHER reason for this fancy new piece of kit. After all, if a passport is still the primary means for international travel, why would I purchase both a passport and the ID card? So there has to be something else. Now what would that be? About all I can think of is an easily carried Canadian personal ID card, to be produced upon demand. > While the minister concedes Canadians are generally cautious about giving > personal information to governments, he says the country has become much more > security conscious since the terrorist attacks in the U.S. on September 11, > 2001. Yeah, terrorism is running rampant both here and in the US... It's so bad we should all be rushing to surrender our privacy and whatever civil rights are necessary. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:53:02 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: I Am A Subject, Not A Citizen > I AM A SUBJECT, NOT A CITIZEN > - -- But You Should See Me With a Gun > by Marni Soupcoff > Iconoclast Associate Editor ... > I suppose that's how the slim, compact, white-haired man in the Army shirt > knew I was scared. He spotted me quickly and came over and asked if I was > planning to shoot. I told him I wasn't. He told me I should. I told him I > wouldn't. > "It's your duty as a citizen," the man said. > "I'm not a citizen," I said. "I'm Canadian." > "Then, you're right," he said."You're not a citizen, you're a subject." If Marni or her snobbish American friend thinks there's any real difference between being a "subject" or a "Citizen" in present day America or Canada, they're dreaming in technicolor. The Patriot Act or the Public Safety Act, take your pick, our privacy and civil rights (which are the same in many aspects)are going down the toilet faster than the public can help push on the flush handle. Any American snob who thinks they're in a superior "citizen" position really ought to give the Patriot Act a read - or try owning and possessing the same firearms in THEIR national capitol as I can own and possess in MY national capitol. I can take my handguns and military semiautomatic firearms anywhere in Canada, albeit under ridiculous conditions. Let's see the buddy in the Army shirt try taking the same things through Washington DC, New York, New Jersey, California, etc.... All his existance amounts to is as a refugee stranded on one of the diminishing islands of relative personal freedom in that country. This isn't a "my dog is bigger than your dog brag". Here's the point: arguing who has superior rights in either the US or Canada is little more than a race to the bottom. Our civil rights and freedoms are being systematically reduced - but that isn't even the worst of it. The worst of it is most Canadians and Americans are HAPPY to see the government whittling away at their rights and privacy in the name of "protecting" them. That's the truly scary part. Many of them are the same people who took part in demonstrations in the 60's and early 70's... maybe that makes it even worse. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:54:47 -0600 (CST) From: Rick Subject: Re: Aids etc. Robert LaCasse wrote: > Aids was engineered by WHO/BNLabs, for African population control, and > it backfired back to N. America...Green Monkeys are a different strain! Yeah... and the Black Plague was engineered by the Knights Templar. Or was it the Jesuits? I can't remember. But one of them engineered it, I know that. And then there was cholera, engineered by the early Catholic popes. Or maybe Mohammed. One of the two, anyways. I haven't figured out who engineered smallpox, typhus, and the other deadly illnesses out there - but I'll bet there's some deep dark conspiracy behind every single one of them (with usually some sort of secret society at the heart of the matter). Don't know how they pulled it off back in those days however, without the UN and black helicopters to help. > HepC comes from WHO and Clinton Rockerfeler Arkansa/China donors the And here I thought it was the Brandenburgers who engineered Hep C... Can you tell us who engineered the A, B, D, and E variants? > Hospital records are sealed mostly from 1986 to 1990 since too much shit > was going down during that period. The hospital I was at must have been sloppy; I had no problem getting my treatment records for an old illness. And it was a lower mainland hospital as well! > Lawyers want a lot of money for this search, If I was a lawyer and you told me to find the evidence that Bill Clinton was instrumental in developing Hepatitis C, I'd want a considerable amount of money up front myself. > Your GP is not going to help you at least not mine, since they are all a > party to the WHO, and may lose their license if they put pressure on a NWOrder > organization! And here I thought it was just the gynecologists in a conspiracy with the WHO (although the proctologists are in a different conspiracy involving the UN, being experts in anal orifices and all...). Now I find GP's are a party to the conspiracy as well! > These diseases originated from military sites like Anthrax or Dimethyl > Triptamine! Okay... I'll bite: where's the conspiracy angle between the military, DMT, and psychedelic shamanism? Remote psychic recce? And what military site are you thinking of as the place where anthrax originated? The Valley of the Pharoahs? Or somewhere in Greece? After all, the Egyptians experienced anthrax plagues which they referred to as "the plague of boils", 1500 years before Christ's birth. The Iliad describes anthrax, Virgil wrote of it, and there were major documented outbreaks in the Middle Ages in Europe. BTW... where do you get all your insider information, Robert? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:55:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Mike" Subject: RE:Ayn Rand's insight into todays world...... > Subject: Ayn Rand's insight into todays world...... > > Rick > > I yield to your clearly superior knowledge of Ms. Rand.... > > Regardless the lengthy reality of Ms. Rand's life, the entirety of her > positions and with respect, your positions on same, I put it to you that in > the specificity of the quote I offered and again, in my judgment solely, not > wishing to dispute any of your points offered in rebuttal, nor engage in a > lengthy discourse in this regard, she had it 'plugged'..... > > Ed Tait > Victoria > > ------------------------------ Good Point Ed !! Another one of Rick's Rants, this time denigrating Ayn Rand's personal life instead of addressing the point raised by the quote. Isn't that called an ad hominum argument? However as you so tactfully put it has little or no relevance to the accurate description of the situation today with the FA. Everyone I know who registered their tools did so, not because they thought it was a good idea or that it would somehow make Canada a safer place, but only because they were intimidated by the government to do something against their better judgement. Rule by intimidation and paranoia does not engender respect. That's the nature of opressive regimes vs. representative government. Most folks I know identify themselves with their regional government, not as Canadians. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:52:43 -0600 (CST) From: Bruce Mills Subject: Boy on way home from Indy shot with BB gun http://www.torontostar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1058134211325&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037 Jul. 13, 2003. 07:20 PM Boy on way home from Indy shot with BB gun FROM CANADIAN PRESS A five-year-old boy was shot in the face with a BB gun while he was walking home from the Molson Indy with his mother today. An ambulance was nearby and the young victim was rushed to Sick Children's Hospital after apparently being hit in an eye. One eyewitness said blood was pouring from the boy's face. Two adults were also hit and suffered minor injuries. Police later stopped a vehicle and took three people into custody and seized two pellet pistols. The 5-year-old's condition is not known. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 23:29:02 -0600 (CST) From: JP Poulin Subject: Re: Aids etc. On 7/13/2003 22:54 -0500,: > Robert LaCasse wrote: >> Aids was engineered by WHO/BNLabs, for African population control, and >> it backfired back to N. America...Green Monkeys are a different strain! Rick Lowe wrote: > Yeah... and the Black Plague was engineered by the Knights Templar. Or was it > the Jesuits? I can't remember. But one of them engineered it, I know that. > And then there was cholera, engineered by the early Catholic popes. Or maybe > Mohammed. One of the two, anyways. LMAO. We better get our tin-foil hats on. The Masonic/Illuminati are going to zap us. JP Poulin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:41:46 -0600 (CST) From: "Mark Horstead" Subject: Letter to the Editor of the Ottawa Sun 13 July 2003 I'd like to know why Alfred Smith believes, as stated in his somewhat rambling Letter of the Day of 13 July 2003, that "if you are a gun owner and have not attempted to register, you are a criminal and you deserve to be in prison". A true crime occurs when somebody is intentionally and unlawfully killed, injured, or deprived of their property. Lack of registration harms nobody and hardly constitutes a crime. Mr Smith also confuses licensing with registration. Few firearms owners will disagree with a requirement to demonstrate competency and fitness, which is what the licensing part of the legislation attempts to do albeit poorly; registration, however, is the attempt to list all firearms within Canada and link them to their owners. Such a registry is technically impossible to construct and maintain to a satisfactory standard, let alone do so economically. Unique and positive identification of every firearm, essential for any degree of usefulness, is unachievable. And unless every single firearm is entered into the system accurately - and we all know how diligent the criminal element is in that regard - it is a complete failure. So why bother? The registry, aside from being horrendously expensive and error-ridden, will NOT tell the police where firearms are as numerous Liberal politicians claim. Obviously, it will not indicate whether criminally-owned firearms are present at an address. Because one can lease, rent, or lend a firearm to somebody with the appropriate licence WITHOUT TELLING THE GOVERNMENT OR POLICE, just as one can lend one's car, it will not indicate with any degree of certainty whether or not legally-owned firearms are present either. I can lease a firearm to Dave, Dave can sub-lease it to Fred, Fred can rent it to Bill, and Bill can lend it to Sally ad infinitum. Possession and ownership are two entirely different matters, just as they are with other forms of property. Toronto's Chief of Police, Julian Fantino, a former supporter of this legislation, stated several months ago that the registry is a total failure as a crime prevention or investigation means. Calgary Police Association president Al Koenig said on 12 July 2003 that "I'm not in support of the gun registry, it's an extreme waste of money and no one has been able to demonstrate how it helps front-line officers or improves public safety." As for Mr Smith's claim that "Nobody is going to take guns away from the law-abiding owners", history proves otherwise. Governments in this country and others such as the UK and Australia have tended to move firearms from the unrestricted category to restricted to prohibited and then confiscate them. This happened with Kim Campbell's 1991 legislation, and Allan Rock's misbegotten law targetted 568,000 lawfully acquired firearms for eventual confiscation with no compensation to the owners. Every indication, based upon the wording of the law, is that this will continue in future. The only purpose that a registry _does_ fulfil is to provide a list of property to be confiscated. Governments cannot confiscate what they do not know about. Government ignorance is our main protection. The less information that governments have about citizens, the safer and freer those citizens are. Criminals are the true problem, and the focus of effort should be upon them rather than honest citizens as Mr Smith seems to recognize at one point. This law virtually ignores real criminals however. Whereas owners are required to report changes of address and are subject to intrusive inspections, the 130,000 crooks who are prohibitted from possessing firearms are not; no attempt is made to ensure compliance with their prohibition orders. Sex offenders constitute the only other segment of Canadian society that is so treated. Perversely, the penalties are greater for the honest citizen than they are for the child molester under Liberal legislation if either fails to comply. The federal government refuses to make the registry requirement retroactive for sex offenders for fear of negating their rights; they were not so squeamish in trampling our rights - such as the rights to silence, privacy, security of the person, equality under the law, fundamental justice and procedural fairness, to be presumed innocent until proven guilty, and freedoms from unreasonable search and seizure and self-incrimination to name a few. Almost all firearms owners support reasonable measures that reduce crime, suicide, and accident. It is the stupid, misdirected, oppressive, ineffective, and horrendously expensive legislation that the Liberal government is trying to ram down our gullets that we object to. We are fed up with being scapegoated. We are fed up with having our rights trampled. We are fed up with having our property threatened. We are fed up with being insulted and harassed. We are fed up with being treated worse than criminals. We are fed up with seeing real criminals ignored. We are fed up with seeing our taxes wasted. We are fed up with being socially engineered. Mark L Horstead Newmarket, Ontario ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:42:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: NB - 47,029 applied for a moose hunting licence this year PUBLICATION: The New Brunswick Telegraph Journal DATE: 2003.07.11 SECTION: News PAGE: A1/A11 COLUMN: Provincial News BYLINE: SARAH MCGINNIS Telegraph-Journal PHOTO: File/Telegraph-Journal ILLUSTRATION: Only 2,779 hunters in the province will receive moosehunting licences this year, and the lucky recipients can find out today if they won in the random computerized lottery. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moose hunting licence winners revealed - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Brunswick will have hundreds of new lottery winners today as hunters discover whether they've won a moose hunting licence for this year. The Department of Natural Resources and Energy will release the names of applicants chosen in the annual moose draw today. Of the 47,029 people who applied, only 2,779 licences will be given out this year in a random computerized lottery. Hunters can check the Web site at www.gnb.ca/0078/dnredraws-e.asp or call the toll-free line at 1-800- 459-3729 to see if they're one of the lucky winners. Applicants will have to enter their medicare number or RCMP/Department of National Defence ID card number to check if they've been awarded a licence. Licence validation tags and stickers will be mailed out later. "If they have their fact sheets, they can get through it quite easily," said DNR spokesman Brent Roy. To purchase the moose licence, applicants must present their validation sticker to the Department of Natural Resources or a Service New Brunswick centre after Aug. 11. Hunters are permitted to bag one moose during the season, which runs from Thursday, Sept. 25, to the end of day Saturday, Sept. 27. Earlier this year there were reports of a handful of hunters having problems using the phone service to apply for a moose hunting licence. One person complained they were charged the $9.20 application fee three times. "People were calling up, running into problems and then hanging up and calling back," Mr. Roy said. "You have to key in your medicare number and then it was charged to your phone. It was a 900 number. If you make three calls, you are charged three times." Mr. Roy suggested anyone who is having problems with the service should call the Fish and Wildlife Branch at (506) 453-2440, rather than making another call to the application line. While he said there were a few problems on the first couple of days, they have since been solved. The phone draw results system has been in operation since 1994 and Mr. Roy said the number of complaints has dropped dramatically over the years. "People are much more technologically adept. When the Internet was new and telephone banking came online, everyone needed help. Now more people are used to using technology to do everything in everyday life," he said. Reach our reporter tjwood@nb.aibn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:43:15 -0600 (CST) From: "John E. Stevens" Subject: Re: Expect national ID card by 2005, Coderre says At 08:52 PM 7/13/2003 -0600, Rick wrote: >Given that, there must be some OTHER reason for this fancy new piece of kit. >After all, if a passport is still the primary means for international travel, >why would I purchase both a passport and the ID card? So there has to be >something else. Now what would that be? > >About all I can think of is an easily carried Canadian personal ID card, >to be >produced upon demand. Gee, Rick, have you lost absolute, blind faith in a government that is only trying to help you? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:44:05 -0600 (CST) From: "Breitkreuz, Garry - Assistant 1" Subject: Column: What did Canada actually get for its $1-billion gun registry? What did Canada actually get for its $1-billion gun registry? In short, one big government screwup and plenty of beauracratic bungling July 12, 2003 Full story: www.marnieko.com/gunsget.htm - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cops, meals and doctors What else could have been bought with the $1-billion spent on the gun registry MARNIE KO July 11, 2003 Fans of the Barenaked Ladies might recall the group's smash hit, "If I had a million dollars", a song about frittering away a million bucks on tree forts, new chesterfields, the remains of the elephant man, or on an "exotic pet, like an emu or a llama". The Liberal government, on the other hand, threw away $1-billion in taxpayers money on a gun registry that eight provinces want to see scrapped.... 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